Unending Tempest Isn't What I Expected...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ย. 2023
- All I heard about Unending Tempest Is That Target Lock Was the way. It's the new immortal. It's a better Shayura? How it's one of the best SMGs we have had in a while. After I got the rolls I wanted, I went through the numbers, and it does not add up. Tempest is a great weapon, but I don't think it's best with target lock. Far from it. In this video I review the god rolls and go through the journey of finding them.
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I view it more as a pve weapon. Everything else smg wise for PvP edges it out. It's serviceable, it's not bad, but we have choices. Thoughts?
It’s definitely hangs in both modes don’t sleep 😴
If you run Gutshot and Collective Action with Elemental Charge and 2 stasis surge mods, you get a 5/3 .7s TTK on 8 Res and up, and a 4/4 .7s TTK on 7 Res and down. Furthermore, you get a .9s or .8s bodyshot TTK, which is only 1 bullet shy of its stock optimal TTK. Slap Hoarfrost-Z on your Titan with Howl of the Storm and Glacier grenades and you basically have a perpetual 26% bodyshot damage bonus and a 15% crit bonus
Great video as always. Not really tried it out as I'm enjoying the Huckleberry so much still.
I need this on my stasis warlock..!
I very much disagree with the PvP side of the argument. Target lock on this is genuinely more busted than any other damage perk here at high skill levels of PvP and in modes like trials. At the highest skill bracket, they’ll always hit those crits so having TL reduce TTK down even further is nuts. Origin trait is also busted for this weapon. Arguably better than Shayuras Wrath and very much contests with Immortal
Said this years ago. I’ll say it again. I love your weapon breakdowns. It’s deeper than just a “review”
Anything with Demolitionist in the 3rd column is immediately on my radar for PvE
And it has frenzy and it’s an smg. So good. Too bad i have to grind crucible for it, same reason I don’t have a good pve immortal
I snagged a demo/headstone combo for pve, stoked to try it out (haven't been playing during this ddos epidemic lol)
@@submachinegun5737immortal is good in pve? Also pvp weapons aren’t hard to grind imo
@@D1Kwazyit’s more of a motivation thing. Compared to something like seasonal content or world drops you don’t have to settle for mediocre rolls but if you hate pvp or don’t play it often you might have to settle for some bad rolls.
Big facts. 3rd slot demo is goated
the demo + headstone roll hasnt left my inventory for pve since it dropped. that combo is just too good, so many abilities
Literally rolled 50-60 engrams after 2-3 resets and I'm now just praying it at least drops before the season is over.
Sad thing is ik I've deleted a few of those rolls 🤦
I’m looking for Demo/Colletive Action personally
Just got this last night. Took about 40 engrams to get lol
I got one the other day and it stay locked lol
"... maybe Collective Action". I would submit that Collective Action is *the* PVE Stasis build chase. Paired with Glacial/Grim/Tectonic Harvest, you can have Collective Action up nearly 100% of the time, especially on an Osmiomancy Warlock. I thought Headstone would be the chase too, but in higher level content, getting the headshot final kill with SMGs can be a little difficult just due to the fact that SMG's are not lasers. However, with Collective Action, Glacial Harvest and Whisper of Conduction, you have pretty much 100% uptime on a 20% damage boost. Try it.
Collective Action with Stasis Titan still shreds in pvp. Everyone put it down after it got nerfed to 10% against guardians, but with some surges thats still high uptime on a 16% damage buff whenever you want it.
As per usual endless respect for you making these kinds of vids where you flesh out that constant reality that we do not live in a perfect simulation where shots never miss and always hit for head. Yes it's good to talk about blatant strengths of particular one perks but it also good to talk about well rounded areas with other things. It makes me think of Out of Bounds with the very similar perk pool and a ton of strength with what you got to work with. Honestly I'm more surprised I'm not seeing more people use Out of Bounds when there are very good combos and 900s especially you have something like KW+KC proc'd is some good eatin'.
Good stuff
You’re hands-down the best weapon reviewer of all my favorite content creators. I honestly wait to grind weapons until I see one of your videos. Thanks for all the awesome work over the years!
man i love the in depth reviews from you dude, so good to see the depth these weapons have to offer and the value they hold for new players and veterans alike. Weapons team honestly goated for producing weapons that fit their role as seasonal drops so well, offering great unique combinations without outshining prestige drops from things like trials.
For a Titan PVP combo that has great synergy you can use:
Unending Tempest with perpetual motion (or sway reduction) and target lock + Le Monarch + Peacekeepers
Peacekeepers gives a handling boost to smg and also boosts the movement while wielding one and whenever you switch to another weapon for like 2 secs it automatically reloads your holstered smg. It also adds an airborne effectiveness to smgs so what you could do is shoot someone with a poison arrow from Le Monarch and if they taken cover to recover their health you could just bombrush them and fly over to them and melt them. After they’re dead switch to Le Monarch to instantly reload Unending Tempest and restart the cycle.
This combo works even better if you’re using Striker Titan and putting all the little helping armor mods like void dexterity + stasis targeting + unflinching void.
Ive beaten out so many immortal users with this gun, its glorious.
I am happy I got Gut-Shot,Cascade Point, as well as Gut shot, Harmony... Whenever I run a Cascade Point or Harmony I always run a Fusion with it. Cause I play mostly Warlock, I use Rain of Fire for the free Radiant. So having Cascade or Harmony with Radiant melts everything in PvP. Really fun loop.
Super informative vids. Best wep reviews hands down
i was literally JUST scrolling to check your channel for a Forensic Nightmare review and heard you say it in the video.
I didn't play for three seasons and when I came back I farmed the hell out of Forensic Nightmare and and Father's Sins red borders because the guns just look SO GOOD.
It may finally be time to take them out for a spin.
Love target lock and dynamic sway, it's like it was meant for Nadir Foundry weapons
Yes. It's basically my immortal since I'm never ever playing trials again. Feels so good best SMG in the kinetic slot imo.
This is the roll i stopped at. Feels amazing.
I kept the perpetual motion range finder and could not believe the amount of fun I was having as strand titan with grapple and banner of war...shotgun combo. It was the perfect weapon to get close with....I will work on more rolls....great video Cool Guy!
My god that opening clip was crispy! Awesome vid CG.
i absolutely adore my encore KC forensic. By far my most used crucible weapon. the kill chaining ability of encore and KC in a high range SMG makes it so good for really anything.
I'm loving my target lock roll but I mostly play 3's like trials and comp. It may not guarantee a faster TTK but it does give TTK forgiveness in 1v1's
Great video and before now I never new destroying stasis crystals with a demolitionist weapon triggered demolitionist. I have an enlightened action headstone role that I enjoyed since enlightened action with flared magwell got the reload really high. It is actually what caused me to dismantle my previous headstone smg especially since it worked well for me in crucible. Killing someone and using the crystal for cover allowed me to solo multiple people at times too which I rarely achieved in crucible with legendary smgs. Also managed to block some paths at times by killing people in doorways and halls so opponents had to destroy the crystal, jump it, or go around giving me a chance to switch weapons or reload so I could unload my gun on them. Not great at pvp, but it worked surprisingly well for me.
Trying to get demoltionist headstone on this to run with renewal grasps
It works bro, so good
The auto rifle from the upcoming event is a stasis 450 that can also roll with both Demo and Headstone.
So I'm waiting for that.
If you have an exotic slot free try wicked implement with the catalyst. I use that on my Renewal Grasp build and it toasts red bars and majors alike !
Even puts in good DPS on bosses nd champs bc of creeping attrition.
Def can’t speak to the PvP side, but maybe give it a shot in PvE !
Same most of my main weapons I use have demo in the 3rd slot and I grinded so long for my unforgiven demo + golden tricon role
If you don’t have wicked implement like I don’t then Verglas Curve also works really really well
You bring up an amazing combo with discord/cascade. I used to use Sleight of Hand/Harmony on Submission and absolutely love it. I'm going to give this Unending Tempest roll a try. Love all your videos!
Great vid as always
Demo and headstone... Cool, didn't know that was a possible roll. Did not know that it works on shatter kills too. Those are the kind of rolls I love seeing.
Max range Killingwind rangefinder is still a wild perk combo on automatic weapons. The benefits of the zoom boost are somehow getting the rap as “mid” and the stack of added zoom with killingwind is still as wild as ever, if not stronger on these low zoom base weapons that had their aa and damage at range significantly boosted by the zoom changes.
Rangefinder,p.instrument on Ignous is getting me some consistent kills outside its range.
It's about the only usable adept one i have so I kept and used it😂..nowhere near a keepaway,eots max handling roll tho.
@@fotis3v480 that’s why I specifically said automatic weapons. Value of rangefinder decreased on semi auto weapons like hand cannons since accuracy and aim assist is much higher even at max bloom well into a mag. Perks like keep away and eots are much better on semi autos while zen moment and rangefinder are much better on fully auto weapons.
I personally have a dynamic sway cascade point roll that I love. Discord and cascade would also be great. I'm surprised you didn't mention discord and harmony however, this is the first weapon to roll with that combo and I think it can also shred.
I’ve been running one with cascade point and grew to really like it. It absolutely destroys someone if it’s active.
I like running Cascade Point with Rain of Fire and either Vex or Arbalest for a Radiant faster fire. It’s so good lol
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This is the review I’ve been waiting for.
I want that Sway Reduction/Tap the Trigger combo... used to have the old Enyo-D with that combo and I loved it!
Opened my EYES with the demo headstone roll. Definitely gonna be looking for one
Huge, and definitely worth the chase. Been running it on renewal hunter and osmio warlock
I see some potential in Collective Action on an SMG as well since there are ways to activate it from neutral, though it's going to be more of a buildcraft perk.
Coolguy always brings the goods
i have a max range moving target and tap the trigger roll and i love it, feels impossible to miss the crits. Also have a perpetual motion and fragile focus max range roll which is also really nice
Been trying since the start of the season to get that demo headstone roll. Can't wait to see how horror story is with it.
Discord and cascade is my go-to, like you mentioned. Gut shot and cascade is also solid with the extra body shot forgiveness
Well, I guess I know what I am looking for now.
Tap the Trigger looks like it will solve most of the problems I was having with it.
I love that they finally added a stasis smg with demolitionist.
It now completes my collection of each element smg with demo
looking for that demo headstone roll for pve great review
i got a 5/5 (imo) roll with smallbore, accurized, range mw, moving target fragile focus and i really like it. hits exactly at 100 range w fragile focus and nadir focus comes in too if that wears off
I think your thinking of target lock wrong, the main use of target lock in my opinion is to increase your forgiveness not speed up the ttk, it’s going to allow an optimal time to kill while hitting more body shots without losing the target acquisition from something like gut shot straight. Also personally I’m not a fan of 6s and I really don’t think that judging a gun based off a mode where half the lobby won’t even be looking at you while your killing them is a good way to rate weapons
I like to hear you talk. Such a way with words.
i really like collective action on this gun. stasis titan, armamentarium, double glacier nades. smash through your nade, collect shards, instant damage boost.
Hell yeah, cascade point!
I have a bunch of good rolls as I exclusively focus this weapon when I get crucible engrams. The most surprising roll is the Fragile Focus/Gutshot combo.
Thanks man!❤
Wow I totally forgot about headstone and synergy it could have with demo. Looks like i found a new gun roll I'm gonna be going for, along with the showrunner with kinetic tremors.
fingers crossed they bring back Shyura's wrath for trials next season with cascade point.
I love smgs that can get DSR and TTT at the same time, so this thing will definitely get farmed. Plus I love KW/KC weapons, so this having Multikill clip will still get the job done
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And long-winded
A sleeper pick on this for Trials: Under Over and Frenzy. Under Over gives a 20% damage buff to anyone with a shield, and frenzy is. 15%. If they’re standing behind or near a barrier, they will constantly replenish overshield , which keeps Under Over proced. If they replenish their shield, under over alone will maintain the base 0.8 second ttk, tier 10 health + overshield. Adding frenzy in will drop it down to a 8 bullet, 0.7 second kill. If you abuse radiant frost-ees on top of that, you can add in another 10% damage and get the 7 bullet, 0.6 second ttk on Tier 10, 250 hp guardians.
I agree that this smg is the “we have immortal/Shyura’s wrath at home” and this review just sets that idea in stone
About "player attachment to weapons", that might hit the nail on the head why I still love this game. First raid was Leviathan, never raided in D1. I remember being on ad clear for one encounter just capping with my rampage Duke Mk. 44. That gun = Leviathan = my first raid.
Glad to see Cascade Point is getting some love.
Im hunting for a max range, Dynamic Sway and Collective Action roll to pair with my Hoarfrost Z Stasis Titan for an on demand .70 ttk. But otherwise literally any roll in the 4th column with max range will feel good. One of the best playlists weapons they've ever introduced.
I decided to craft a new weapon for myself this league, Because after 200 attempts to get a decent auto rifle i just didn't get the rolls i was looking for. So i crafted a Perpetualis with Zen and Hatchling. I just love it in checkmaster, Yea single kills doesn't work out to be big but when you get a group oh man this starts to pop off. If i wanted to i could switch to target lock but this quark surprises many that they don't think of it right away and by the time they figure it out it's too late.
I think bungie has been doing a good job with perks recently. Most people tend to only focus on max damage, and max range options, but your Discord/Cascade roll is an example of an awesome combination.
The origin trait is better then immortal. Target lock is still the best for consistency. Free extra dmg. Ttk isn’t everything in this game. Most people are already damaged when you meet them. You don’t need that extra shot if they are week. Throw a nade or something first and it melts. Use radiant and surges and you have more range and dmg then immortal
Fun combo: pair it with Fighting Lion and go for enlightened action + tap the trigger
I did the same and wrote it off. I'll have to focus one now because I've fallen for my mercurial overreach. I paired it with allied demand but I want a tad more range. I loved my shyuras but wasn't feeling kinetic snipers except eye of sol. I like the flexibility of options though
I got a moving target/rangefinder and tested it in pvp, it shreds, I like it
I didn't know it had demo headstone 😳 my renewal grasps build just got a buff
I think stability perks are going to be more important in the near future with the changes to SMG recoil on the horizon.
D2foundry does say Horror Story will have headstone demo. It also shows new perks like enlightened action so its likely accurate.
Love my demo frenzy roll!
Bakris is worth trying out with so many of these as well. Bakris + cascade point leapt out as something to try. Haven’t looked to see if it’s a significant effect, but worth exploring with this smg for sure.
Bakris plus target lock in crucible is solid. Dodge near them to slow them and then melt.
This gun is the best peacekeepers smg imo, you can get 100 range with fragile focus and then either dynamic sway or perpetual to improve the poor stability and then peacekeepers fixes your handling. My current roll is moving target target lock for peacekeepers and the strafespeed from moving target and peacekeepers is insane. Once the smg recoil nerfs hit I’ll probably swap to my dynamic away fragile focus roll but for now I’ll revel with my sun 20 stability roll
I’ve been enjoying crafted forensic nightmare this season, would recommend
Forensic Nightmare has been pretty decent for me . . .guess I have a reason to try tempest. Thanks!
I always have my killing wind, kill clip shayuras on my pk titan. I pair it with dmt. Like you said, it’s all about that ease of use
I got one with moving target and using it on Peacekeepers is absolutely vile. I play MNK and it feels like your opponents suddenly can't aim since you're strafing so fast they can't hit you.
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I recently got 2 rolls,
PvP: Dynamic Sway and Rangefinder
PvE: Demo and Collective Action
How about dynamic sway/cascade point? Because of the ROF aren't you smashing up the max dynamic bonus pretty quickly?
Gut shot and target lock are my go to perks.
Anything with demo in the third column is a must-have for me.
For PvE, it's Demolitionist with either Frenzy or Headstone (I'd prefer Frenzy, but both are great), other rolls aren't worth it. The Vanguard Stasis 900 RPM SMG gets Frenzy and Subsistence, the god-roll for Funnelweb, so unless you really prefer 600s to 900s, there's only one or two rolls you gotta go after for PvE.
Enlightened Action/Collective Action is a very strong PvE roll. EA keeps the gun feeling snappy and gives it quick reloads. CA synergizes with stasis builds that emphasize creating shards, such as my warlock build that uses Iceflare Bolts and Glacial Harvest.
PLEASE re-review Forensic Nightmare, it really has had such a glow-up this season
What are your thoughts on harmony vs cascade point?
Target Lock has become the new singularity perk like Kill Clip, in that people see it and think welp that's the roll, nothing else matters, but Tempest honestly has a lot going for it once you step outside of that box. I got a roll with Fragile Focus that I've really been enjoying so far, and I definitely want that Headstone combo for Stasis shenanigans.
I don't even consider Target Lock useful. It really only activates if you basically hit the optimal ttk. And if you were already going to hit the optimal ttk, you probably didn't need the ever so slightly faster ttk.
Streamers will want target lock, but for the average player, all crits is not the norm as shouldn't be chased that hard
@@nelsongodoy5101 That's what I mean though. Either you 1) miss a single bullet and Target Lock doesn't proc or 2) hit nothing but headshots and you probably didn't need the tiny ttk bump. The times that such a small boost to ttk actually makes a difference just don't seem remotely frequent enough to merit your 4th perk slot.
@BarderBetterFasterStronger If Target lock didn't lower Bodyshot TTK you may have a point. It's great against straight line Titans.
I checked my vault, and I have a max range (full bore, accurized, range mw) with Killing Wind + Tap the Trigger. I'll have to give that a spin
The look of this SMG reminds me of the old Hyperion weapons from Borderlands 1, where they had that dark red look to them
Borderlands 4 😢
Demo Headstone is also available on that Stasis Dawning 120 but it's only available once a year.
I was never able to get an immortal. I use Shayura’s wrath with eye of sol which is great but I’ve decided to use Unending tempest more as I can pair it with my favourite hand cannon which is Igneous Hammer. My unending tempest has dynamic sway reduction and target lock. I have two Shayura’; one is snapshot and tunnel vision, one is quick draw and kill clip. I use Ophidian aspects on warlock and either Frostees or lucky pants on hunter (void subclass and I use hand cannons a lot)
this is what I always wanted forensic nightmare to be
What sucks about this weapon is that it does a good job at revving up the Immortal users/ abusers.
Still maoning about immortal despite the nerfs to rangefinder. And with the upcoming SMG nerf this weapon will get effected aswell.
@rickykuijpers3179 It's has nothing to do with moaning. Truth is, people run to it as soon as you ding them with another SMG.
@@rickykuijpers3179cry harder
@@rickykuijpers3179ah yes, rangefinder was the only outlier with immortal. Nothing else, just rangefinder 🙄
@@nazarus1283 to be fair, it's not that strong. Sidearms and Shotguns shred it in short range, and Auto Rifles can easily duel it in midrange.
Imo, the reason why people talk about Target Lock on this weapon so much is because it makes this weapon special. If you want a precision frame smg with damage perk after reload, nothing can compete with Shayura. The reason why even players who have good Shayuras started looking at this thing is proobably that in 3s kill clip is harder to utilize.
i got one with gutshot + target lock with 73range, its crazy good even if i just go for center mass instead of trying to hit crits its a 0.9s ttk
What I find most amazing when watching all of these clips is how often the enemies you engage doin't even seem to notice you're there.
For whatever reason, when I play D2, all of the enemy team's players seem to ALWAYS be engaging me and only ME!!!! To the point that wherever I am on the entire map (ANY map), I'll have enemies shooting at me from way across the map from multiple directions while my teammates are engaging them in battle and /or standing directly in front of them. It's like they will completely ignore my teammates and/or can't see them to kill me wherever I'm standing. And EVERYONE on the entire enemy team seems to get my radar ping no matter how far away they are from me, yet I have zero pings on my radar of them. This happens so frequently that I often I feel like my account has been hacked.
Some of it is selection bias; killing one guy and then getting cleaned up by the next guy doesn't make for a good clip. A lot of it is map knowledge and good use of cover--knowing what parts of the map leave you vulnerable from which angles. Some of it is also CBMM; if you're already better than most of the player base, you'll get worse opponents than you on average, meaning you'll hit clipworthy plays more frequently than in SBMM because your opponents simply aren't that threatening. (Notice how a lot of these clips are in Relic?)
That said, I'm not anything special at this game, so I totally know how you feel LOL
Always enjoy the brain fuel this man gives me
Discord + Cascade Point is my favorite combo right now,
What about gutshot straight + target lock? Does the damage stack?
I liked rangefinder p motion for zoom and handling bonuses. Just as a long range sniper pairing but ya no where near immortal level good.
Even if the numbers don't support it idk what it is but target lock still feels so good for me
Another SMG review that is NOT Synchronic Roulette so people are still unaware of the the monster gem I’m using in 6s😈 with near max range, Keep Away + KC
Moving target + fragile focus is great for me
Been trying to get good roll with target lock since begining of the season, 100+ engrams still no luck. I did get moving target/tap the trigger with 83 range and cannot stop using it
Would gutshot straight and target lock be a decent pairing in pvp?
I've focused 120ish and have gotten 3 target lock rolls. About half of those were 1-2 reset and the other was 3++ resets. Stupt game. (I want tlock for multi targets and bodyshot forgiveness)
btw: horror story does come with demo headstone, also headstone COULD be amazing with stacy buffs next season.
I did'nt think about discord! But cascade is the perk I wanted befor I got any
Circling back to this, what do you think of Frenzy on this for pvp?
I got my hands on a hammer forged, accurized, perpetual, rangefinder with stab MW and i have to say IT FEELS JUICY