The Shangani Patrol - the British 'Custer's Last Stand' (1893)

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    The Shangani Patrol was part of the Ndebele War of 1893-94 which ended in the overthrow of the kingdom of Lobengula, King of the Ndebele. In this video historian David Snape talks us through the full story of this legendary engagement which is often compared to Custer's Last Stand.
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  • @morganhaselau7410
    @morganhaselau7410 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    With horses in a circle, they sang "God Save the Queen"
    And thirty- four young troopers would never more be seen
    They killed ten times their number; they're on the honour roll
    So take your hat off slowly to the Shangani Patrol
    Brave men on both sides. Thanks for telling their story.

    • @golden.lights.twinkle2329
      @golden.lights.twinkle2329 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      They should have sung "God save us, because the Queen won't".

    • @DarkWingZ_65
      @DarkWingZ_65 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      John Edmond...:-)

    • @madhusudankannan4700
      @madhusudankannan4700 ปีที่แล้ว

      Whites praising Whites is not uncommon since they were the rulers. What about thousands of Nativre soldiers who would never be seen again. ANY History especially of battles needs to be balanced. Was any research done in the captured kraals to know the cost of the sufferings in those kraals. Certainly NOT. Cattle and lesser humans don't need yo be researched. Truth is bitter. So please swallow it.

    • @southernafricanboy4148
      @southernafricanboy4148 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 😂🤣🤣

  • @keithagn
    @keithagn ปีที่แล้ว +68

    Yes, please do more stories of Rhodesia. This is fascinating history, and I can't thank you enough for bringing it to everyone, and me. Best Regards from Canada 🇨🇦

  • @TheBushmanmike
    @TheBushmanmike ปีที่แล้ว +80

    Wilson and his men amounted to 37 in all, three escaped, Fred Burnham (US), "Pearl" Pete Ingram (US, Burnham's Brother in Law) Both very experienced Frontier Scouts both in Africa and America, and an Australian. The patrol was by this time totally surrounded. The only reason they were given permission to leave the group was because of their experience as scouts and proven ability to succeed against the odds, this was a suicide mission to inform Forbes of the dire position of Maj Wilson and CO. Their ability to backtrack and avoid Matabele pursuers and avoid the several ambushes, proved this. Crossing the heavily flooded fast flowing Shangani River was the final act of scouting ability and horsemanship. Wilson ordered them to try and get to Forbes against the odds, they volunteered to go on this mission. Any suggestion otherwise shows ignorance of the facts and little proper research. There are several accounts of this story written by eye witnesses and not one that I have researched had anything but praise for Burnham, Ingram and other scouts who guided the columns in three major battles with the Matabele Impis in 1893 and later many other battles in 1896 all around Bulawayo. The Mbizo Impi, led by Lobengula's General Mjaane, was Lobengulas "Home Guard" as it were, and the most experienced and able of all his Impis. It was Mjaane, among many others, who bore witness at the inquiry held by Rhodes with regard to what happened, and from whom the immortal words "Men of Men" emanated, he refused to take part in the Matabele Rebellion of 1896 and stayed loyal to Rhodes at this time, honouring promises made to Rhodes to keep the peace after 1893. MW

    • @michellebrown4903
      @michellebrown4903 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wilbur Smith fan here . He wrote quite a lot of novels about Rhodesia. I didn't realize he got the name of one of his books from " Mbjaane" , a character from at least three of his books .

    • @TheBushmanmike
      @TheBushmanmike ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@michellebrown4903 Smith worked for the receiver of revenue in Rhodesia, he like Jonny Clegg (from Bulawayo) would never admit this in public, I wonder why? They learned so much there, mainly from the indigenous tribes including multilingual English/Shona/Ndebele speaking Rhodies who are also indigenous. :0)))

    • @mattharcla
      @mattharcla ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd love to know who the Australian was.

    • @davidsnape2778
      @davidsnape2778 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      All correct and included in the book

    • @TheBushmanmike
      @TheBushmanmike ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@mattharcla His name was "Chas" Gooding :0)))

  • @sculptureshard377
    @sculptureshard377 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Fascinating interview indeed. I was a young police officer in training at the time and stationed at Morris Training Depot in Salisbury Rhodesia. My squad, 10 of 1969, were undergoing equitation training in preparation for the BSA Police Display of 1970, an annual event which involved us touring the country and performing at agricultural shows where we displayed horsemanship skills in the form of a Musical Ride. We were seconded into being extras for the film titled 'Shangani Patrol' and travelled by train and bus all the way down to Bulawayo then onto Marula where the shooting occurred. An interesting time and initially exciting as we all had stars in our eyes, but within a short space of time most of us grew bored with the filming process as we were policemen in training and not actors. In costume we rode our mounts to set locations for rehearsals and then shoots. I remember the heat, being hungry, and many funny incidents. Sadly Brian O'Shaughnessy, who played the part of Alan Wilson died in 2001, whereas the American Actor Will Hutchins, who played the part of the scout, is enjoying old age and has a fan page. I was in contact with his wife last year and related humorous incidents I witnessed on set, one of which involved Will and Brian walking beside each other for a scene. Because Will was so tall, the crew dug a ditch for him to walk in alongside Brian so that the height difference wouldn't be so noticeable on screen. They rehearsed the scene several times before it was filmed and I remember the humour in it.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Hi there - thanks so much for sharing that story. It’s greatly appreciated!!

    • @Paladin1873
      @Paladin1873 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I only visited your country once in 1985 to connect with some friends who lived outside of Hartley (now Chegutu) in the bush and to do a bit of hunting and site-seeing. By coincidence, one of the hotels I stayed at by Victoria Falls was also housing the cast and crew of a movie company that was filming "Allan Quartermain and the Lost City of Gold". I bumped into several of the actors, including Sharon Stone, James Earl Jones, and Henry Silva. My friends are deceased now and their children live in America, which is just as well. When I think of what has become of that beautiful land I want to cry in despair. I've read that the money is so worthless today that they are printing 100 trillion dollar notes. This truly is inconceivable.

    • @mattharcla
      @mattharcla ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Paladin1873 Some say it is reverting back to how things were before some organizers arrived.

    • @Paladin1873
      @Paladin1873 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mattharcla Perhaps Milton put it best when the devil said "It is better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven."

    • @cuebj
      @cuebj 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@Paladin1873 Milton didn't know his theology. The devil is the first victim of hell, not the ruler.

  • @Krutchly
    @Krutchly ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I first read about this event in a book called "The White Men Sang," by Alexander Fullerton. The description of the battle was very detailed - right down to the deaths of the individual troopers. A riveting read.

    • @davidsnape2778
      @davidsnape2778 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      A good book but fictional account. Historians had to rely on Ndebele survivors for an account of what happened.

    • @malpreece5008
      @malpreece5008 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have you read Chris Ash’s ‘Matabele’? I read it a few years ago, and it was very good.

    • @shauncrawford9473
      @shauncrawford9473 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      read that book a very long time ago absolutely fantastic book

    • @malpreece5008
      @malpreece5008 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shauncrawford9473 Agreed. It’s definitely worth a read if you’re interested in the history of Rhodesia. 👍🏻

    • @decem_sagittae
      @decem_sagittae 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How can anyone know how individual troopers died when there were no survivors?

  • @Paladin1873
    @Paladin1873 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I had friends in Rhodesia during the 1970s when the bush wars heated up again. I didn't visit the country until the mid-1980s after it had become Zimbabwe. Today the place is a social and economic wreck thanks to communism, socialism, and the corruption they breed. It needn't be; the country has much to offer, but the power of tribal allegiance still holds sway over many people.
    Listening to the description of the Shangani Patrol leadership, one might conclude their descendants settled in Uvalde, Texas and are running the law enforcement community there. With regard to Frederick Russell Burnham, he is a mostly forgotten giant in both American western culture and colonial African history. British general and war hero Robert Baden-Powell was taught woodcraft by Burnham and used this knowledge to later create the Boy Scouts. Burnham himself became a notable figure in the Boy Scouts of America. A video about his life would be great and nearly unbelievable.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Morning. Thanks for that. I do eventually plan an entire video on Burnham - what a man!

    • @dreambaked1024
      @dreambaked1024 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mmmm.. More thanks to crippling sanctions imposed by Britain and the US....Less because of those isms that weren't ever present.
      It's amazing how much shit some of you people blame of fuckin communism... Like its you guys why certain shit is fucked... not communism. classic excuse

    • @markaxworthy2508
      @markaxworthy2508 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rubbish. The mess the country is in today is nothing to do with either Socialism, or Communism. Neither ever got a foothold in Zimbabwe. ZANLA and ZTPRA turned to the Communist Bloc for weaponry because they couldn't get it anywhere else, not for ideological reasons. They were African Nationalists first. The Terrs called the war of 1966-79 the Second Chimurenga. For them it was the continuation of the First Chimurenga, which referred to the initial resistance of the Mashona and Matabele in the 1890s.

    • @tombogan03884
      @tombogan03884 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's simply returning to what it was before the "evil" colonizers arrived with their medicines, and schools, and laws.

    • @ric6383
      @ric6383 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolutely, had the UK and US supported the internal settlement, it would very probably be the jewel of Africa. Unfortunately, there are about 50 sad examples of what happens when a white administration depart an African country.

  • @lesbeswick6172
    @lesbeswick6172 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Yes, as a child, I lived in Northern Rhodesia, and would like to hear as much about Rhodesia, as I possibly can. Thanks.

  • @welshwarrior5263
    @welshwarrior5263 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What a lovley way to spend a rainy sunday, listening to Redcoat History. Thank you both.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks mate, glad you liked this one.

  • @imamba1
    @imamba1 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Yes please. More about Rhodesia, my old home.

  • @tonyhedrick7673
    @tonyhedrick7673 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Great video, I really enjoyed it! I would definitely like to hear more on the history of Rhodesia.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Great thanks. I’ll be doing more over the next few months

  • @TheBushmanmike
    @TheBushmanmike ปีที่แล้ว +11

    There were eight Impis involved, two pitted against Forbes and five against Wilson and Borrow, one remained with the King who fled toward the Zambesi along the Gwaai Valley where he died a few months later. His grave has been located but his bones, I believe, have been reburied with his father Mzilikazi near Bulawayo.

    • @wozatel
      @wozatel ปีที่แล้ว

      not quite

    • @TheBushmanmike
      @TheBushmanmike ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wozatel ?

    • @tombogan03884
      @tombogan03884 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've wondered if he were ever found ever since I read "Storm over Rhodesia".

  • @christophermcguire7888
    @christophermcguire7888 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    A wise commander never fails to, tell his lads what's going on and inspires confidence builds morale Moses

    • @michellebrown4903
      @michellebrown4903 ปีที่แล้ว

      You do know that Moses didn't exist , right ?

    • @iananderson1901
      @iananderson1901 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes he did. I know two people named moses

    • @christophermcguire7888
      @christophermcguire7888 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Well, someone did Exodus did, and what's that to with the shocking price of fish

  • @fredazcarate4818
    @fredazcarate4818 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Yes my lad, please produce that video about those intrepid Americans that served Wilson at Shangani.

  • @peterscrafton5212
    @peterscrafton5212 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Very interesting, and very well done. Not all of us have the same degree of articulacy in front of a camera, but it was clear that Mr Snape knows his stuff, and I, for one, found him easy to listen to.

  • @FelixstoweFoamForge
    @FelixstoweFoamForge ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Given his abysmal track record of getting into hopeless scrapes, just HOW did Harry Flashman manage to miss this one?

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Good point - I would assume old age, but I guess that wouldn't have held back good old flash Harry!

  • @christopping5876
    @christopping5876 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yesterday please. More Rhodesian history from your unbiased view point. I grew up in Rhodesia so may just not have been told quite everything!!

  • @anselmdanker9519
    @anselmdanker9519 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Thank you- I read a book on the Shangani Patrol in the British Council library , many years ago.Glad you covered this- with photos of the combatants.Fredrick Burnham was Lord Roberts chief scout , unless I am mistaken. Look forward to more tales .

  • @robengl6553
    @robengl6553 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fantastic video as usual. Channel is getting better and better. Mr Snape's book is excellent.

  • @speakupriseup4549
    @speakupriseup4549 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Excellent video, fantastic historical subject, subscribed.

  • @TheBushmanmike
    @TheBushmanmike ปีที่แล้ว +5

    There is another very famous patrol, the Umgusa Patrol consisting of a number of different units, one being the Grey's Scouts , one of many battles which took place on the Umgusa River. No less than two VC's were awarded during these battles around Bulawayo in 1896. There was a further VC awarded for the Mazoe Patrol, around the Mazoe Mine not far from Salisbury now harare at approximately the same time. Not to mention the VC awarded to Corporal Molineux at Mafeking. All English speaking and well educated Rhodesian Frontiersmen. "At the Club in Bulawayo they spoke of many things, of Baxter late of Grey's, and Molineux at Mafeking" mw

  • @zanaugustincic7682
    @zanaugustincic7682 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wonderful video! I would very much appreciate more stories from Rhodesia in the future.

  • @julianpalmer4886
    @julianpalmer4886 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Rudyard Kipling's poem 'If'
    If you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
    If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too:
    If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
    Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
    Or being hated don't give way to hating,
    And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
    If you can dream-and not make dreams your master;
    If you can think-and not make thoughts your aim,
    If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
    And treat those two impostors just the same:
    If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
    Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
    And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools;
    If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
    And lose, and start again at your beginnings
    ⁠And never breathe a word about your loss:
    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,
    And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    ⁠Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'
    If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
    Or walk with Kings-nor lose the common touch,
    If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
    If all men count with you, but none too much:
    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
    Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
    ⁠And-which is more-you'll be a Man, my son!

  • @DJNaija
    @DJNaija ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Quality. Keep them coming

  • @golden.lights.twinkle2329
    @golden.lights.twinkle2329 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video about a battle I'd never heard of.

  • @mrpamcn
    @mrpamcn ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Very good, Chris. I've had an interest in this topic since I was a kid. My mum actually bought Alexander Fullerton's book The White Men Sang for my dad back in the 60s. I still have a copy of it along with 3 others on the subject, one of which is Burnham's memoir. I had family too in Bulawayo and used to write to one of my cousins there when I was 12 or 13.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks, Paul. One day I hope to visit the battlefild. Will keep you posted if I get there.

    • @mrpamcn
      @mrpamcn ปีที่แล้ว

      @@redcoathistory Please do, Chris. I look forward to hearing more.

  • @brianford8493
    @brianford8493 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Brilliant stuff as per usual chap....keep it up please ✌️

  • @BrendonChase2012
    @BrendonChase2012 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So glad you have made this video, I remember asking you to do a video on the Shangani Patrol...I'll pretend it's all down to me! Great stuff, keep it up!

  • @stephengreene1856
    @stephengreene1856 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice!! I just sat down in the afternoon,Cold Beer,work is done and a new video!

  • @SmokinLoon5150
    @SmokinLoon5150 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent presentation. Thank you for sharing.

  • @50TNCSA
    @50TNCSA ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Back in 1889 a regiment was born
    And her mounted troopers
    Rode in sunshine and in storm
    From Betchualaland to the mighty Zambezi
    Known by many names she was the
    BSAP

  • @Jubilo1
    @Jubilo1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Superb episode !

  • @sethdekooters7567
    @sethdekooters7567 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you Christian for bringing this piece of interesting history to my attention.

  • @TheScoopGorrilla
    @TheScoopGorrilla ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well done great video!

  • @robertwaid3579
    @robertwaid3579 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I need too Watch n Hear this Out. Very Diligently. So I'll download it for Later. Thank You.

  • @woodland5325
    @woodland5325 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "Up the wild shangani and down the other other side up the wild shangani where Alan Wilson Died" Song Shangani Patrol by John Edmond

  • @alexbowman7582
    @alexbowman7582 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You know Baldric when I joined the army we were fighting fuzzy wuzzies with sharp sticks.

  • @Revolver1701
    @Revolver1701 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating. Good video. Thank you.

  • @nathanmcauley8806
    @nathanmcauley8806 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    don't know if you'll see this but i really love the history of the south african and british history specifically late 1800s love your content please keep doing stuff like this.

  • @stephengreene1856
    @stephengreene1856 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I really like your videos covering British Military Actions in Africa.
    I have read a bit about the wars there,But it was more of a general history,
    I like to know more about individual actions,And I've never read anything about Shangani except a small footnote in a book,

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cheers Stephen I’m glad you enjoyed this.

  • @stephenhunt2806
    @stephenhunt2806 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Another excellent podcast with a fascinating interview with David Snape. I look forward to watching the full interview with him. This action is also covered in the BBC Rhodes documentary that I mentioned in a response to your Jameson Raid podcast. I would love to watch more podcasts about the Rhodesians and not just the colonial period. The action of the Rhodesian anti-tank gunners at Thompson's Post (2nd Alamein November 1942) would make a good podcast. Regarding David's books on Shangani and the James Raid, they can become obtained for an even bigger discount, £14.76 including postage, from "Books etc.".

  • @FMCH6444
    @FMCH6444 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What kawinkydink you posted this. I just found your channel & watched the Isandlwana videos & thought that the late 1800s was a bad time for modern troopers vs natives, Custer's Last Stand was roughly 2.5 years before the British defeat at Isandlwana - stick out as major defeats & there a lot of little ones. Fantastic channel. I've been interested in the Zulu war since I was a kid & HBO here in the States aired Zulu Dawn. Fantastic channel, I'm binge watching all of your videos so I can catch up. - wow, that was long winded!

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s great - i really appreciate your feedback and I’m glad you like the channel.

  • @islamentable1290
    @islamentable1290 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Love this content. I was one of the last generations to be schooled in British Colonial History, but even then, there was a shade of shame. This is just an honest discussion of the base narratives.
    You are way better than O level history and Wilbur Smith!

    • @frankwilkinson6328
      @frankwilkinson6328 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      We should never be ashamed of what we did in Africa, look at the situation in Africa since "independence".

    • @britishpatriot7386
      @britishpatriot7386 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm not ashamed of my British history because we shaped the world and invented most things used by the world today. God bless Britain.

    • @royals080
      @royals080 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@britishpatriot7386 that's a lie. Lol you can easily google otherwise

    • @cuebj
      @cuebj 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He deliberately avoids the politics and attitudes of the elites. He focuses on the military and soldiers who followed orders. Keeps it simple, though I haven't seen if he tells of those events where common soldiers went bad

    • @cuebj
      @cuebj 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@frankwilkinson6328 We should be ashamed of some events and developments and proud or neutral about others. As son of a colonial administrator, spent childhood in Northern Nigeria, then boarding school of just 60 with English, African, Indian, Southeast Asia, plus other national origin boys, I learned a fair amount of how colonies, protectorates, and Commonwealth worked for ill and good

  • @kiwifruit27
    @kiwifruit27 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video, thanks

  • @blockmasterscott
    @blockmasterscott ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, I had never heard of this action!

  • @santagemma6212
    @santagemma6212 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    So sorry to hear Rhodesians were and are being deprived of their most fundamental rights.

  • @charlesmoore7349
    @charlesmoore7349 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great. Thanks.

  • @southernafricanboy4148
    @southernafricanboy4148 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anyone been to site of battle of Mbembesi. My mom who is ndebele btw would walk past the site as a kid and some of the boned would sometimes be washed exposed. This was way back
    History of our country is interesting

  • @robertschlotte1124
    @robertschlotte1124 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve had a copy of “scouting on two Continents” by Major Frederick Russell Burnham DSO since I was a kid. It had belonged to my Great Grandfather, a Boer War Veteran with the Black Watch. I’d enjoy knowing more about Maj Burnham.

  • @ronaldpoppe3774
    @ronaldpoppe3774 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Fredrick Bernams book is a very good read. He lead an exciting and adventurous life. Fought in the US southwest. And in two wars in Africa for the British and was Loard Roberts chief of scouts during the Boer War.

  • @billballbuster7186
    @billballbuster7186 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great presentation. Its really amazing that Wilson thought that he could ignore his orders and ride into Bulawayo with just 12 men. Far from a hero, more of an egotist that got his men killed for his own glory. The men fought magnificently for all that, in a hopeless situation.

  • @davidcoleman2796
    @davidcoleman2796 ปีที่แล้ว

    Canada . My home . I am glad my father came here from Liverpool.

  • @eddierudolph8702
    @eddierudolph8702 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video

  • @MrNaKillshots
    @MrNaKillshots ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating.

  • @garychynne1377
    @garychynne1377 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thank you

  • @jayturner3397
    @jayturner3397 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good article, I've somehow missed that 1970 film..shall dig it out thanks

  • @cyanideinmycereal1077
    @cyanideinmycereal1077 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Up! The wild Shangani, and down the other side!
    Up! The wild Shangani, where Allan Wilson died!

  • @johnkennedy4433
    @johnkennedy4433 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love this. So interesting.

  • @FranciscoPreira
    @FranciscoPreira ปีที่แล้ว

    Great episod indeed.

  • @teufeldritch
    @teufeldritch ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Up the wild Shangani, and down the other side
    Up the wild Shangani where Allan Wilson died

  • @Daylon91
    @Daylon91 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and u should do a video on St Clairs defeat (worst battle in American history)

  • @99IronDuke
    @99IronDuke ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A good video. Wilson's men were brave soldiers. You should do a video on the 1906 Bambarta rebellion in Zululand.

  • @michaelross1943
    @michaelross1943 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, more Rhodesian history and the men who made it.

  • @Schlachtschule
    @Schlachtschule ปีที่แล้ว +1

    An excellent video which spurred me to find a copy of the movie, and I'm glad I did. Historical inaccuracies aside, it was quite a good film. Thank you.
    Incidentally, have you considered coving a Victorian conflict which has gone almost entirely untouched by others--namely, the Abyssinian Campaign of 1867-1868 under Napier, which culminated in the Battle of Magdala. In that battle, about 5,000 British troops defeated a force of over 30,000 native troops under Emperor Theodore III. What makes this battle historically noteworthy is that it is the first major battle in which the incredibly important Snider-Enfield breechloading rifle was used. This rifle was a conversion of the existing Pattern 1853 muzzle loading rifle, and was the first breechloading rifle in British military service. It's a fascinating rifle (one I shoot), and doesn't get the coverage it deserves.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks - I will add it to my list of conflicts to cover.

    • @wuffothewonderdog
      @wuffothewonderdog ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@redcoathistory
      I lived in Malawi in the 1970s, working as an accountant in the Malawi government.
      In 1978 I travelled up to Karonga near the Zambia and Tanzania borders, where I found an Imperial War Graves cemetery, with graves dated August/September 1914. This was the beginning of WW1 in Africa, with the Germans invading the then Nyasaland marching west, and the King's African Rifles marchng east into German East Africa. They missed each other in the best colonial manner and the match had to be re-arranged, with the Germans winning seven-six according to the graveyard count.
      Not a Victorian skirmish but I believe the first British shots of WW1 were fired by the British steamer firing on the German steamer station days after war was declared.

    • @TrevorMoses312
      @TrevorMoses312 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Please list the historical inaccuracies?

  • @AD-on3zx
    @AD-on3zx ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What is that Zoulou poster? Was that the SA version of it? I'm intrigued.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hi / it’s the Belgian one 👍🏼

  • @queridecristin1340
    @queridecristin1340 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting! I went to Allan Wilson High School in Salisbury now Harare

  • @davidedbrooke9324
    @davidedbrooke9324 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Gone bad since it became Zimbabwe. No surprises here.

    • @fuckfannyfiddlefart
      @fuckfannyfiddlefart ปีที่แล้ว

      Britain is bad BECAUSE of IMPERIALISTS and racists like you.

    • @mikereger1186
      @mikereger1186 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Not sure Europe is all that much better, the way things are headed...

    • @manofkent6560
      @manofkent6560 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mikereger1186 The Kalergi plan in action.

    • @wuffothewonderdog
      @wuffothewonderdog ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@mikereger1186
      And for the same reasons.

    • @deniimacdougall
      @deniimacdougall ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@mikereger1186 Same here in the States!

  • @TheTigerOC
    @TheTigerOC 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just some trivia; The geographic area of the present Zimbabwe was known as Zambezia and only became Southern Rhodesia after the 1923 referendum on whether the territory would become the 5th Province of South Africa or a self governing colony in the British Empire. They voted for the latter. Up until that point the country was controlled by the British South Africa Company. This was discussed thoroughly in the TH-cam Series Fighting Men of Rhodesia where this early history was led by Hannes Wessels a descendant of the pioneers.

  • @MrGgkirke
    @MrGgkirke ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting how Victorian warrior sagas have the last survivors going forward singing or marching forward with fixed bayonets' into the horde of uncivilized locals .

  • @abrahammorrison6374
    @abrahammorrison6374 ปีที่แล้ว

    Roger Bartlett, aka Big X in the Great Escape was from Rhodesia.

  • @nigeldeacon3271
    @nigeldeacon3271 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    On the Shangani memorial, close to Rhodes's grave, the figures on the panels round the top are said to be true representations of the men involved.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  ปีที่แล้ว

      I would love to visit one day.

    • @s.wvazim6517
      @s.wvazim6517 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Correct and the martini-henry rifles,stirrups and a few other things got cast into the bronze relief. Very special place very important to the matabele and the old soldiers alike. With the words TO BRAVE MEN written in solid brass on the foot of the monument the actual sight of the slaughter is a adventure to get to but can be found with research come visit zimbabwe we are A OK for tourists. A bit rustic granted but gtg !!!

    • @nigeldeacon3271
      @nigeldeacon3271 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@s.wvazim6517 I lived in Bulawayo when I was young. My father was an engineer at first The General and then at Mpilo.
      Then to a tea estate at chipinga (Chipinge)

    • @s.wvazim6517
      @s.wvazim6517 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nigeldeacon3271 awesome 😎💪

  • @pfcsantiago8852
    @pfcsantiago8852 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good stuff.

  • @jeremydarkeag1e85
    @jeremydarkeag1e85 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent 👍 👍

  • @tombogan03884
    @tombogan03884 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lobangula, who negotiated the land sale with Rhodes, was not the "king" of the Matabele.
    He was their OWNER.
    He was King of the Zulu.
    Both Fredrick Russel Burnham, and F.C. Selous wrote extensive accounts of the war in general, and the Shangani patrol in particular.

  • @phann860
    @phann860 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good.

  • @johndubose1395
    @johndubose1395 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    how did the native forces handle logistics in the field to keep so many fighting men fed ?

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Well that was one of the biggest weaknesses of the Impis and why they couldn’t field a force for a long time. I should probably do a whole video on this subject - thanks 🙏

    • @keithagn
      @keithagn ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, an army travels on its stomach...

    • @TheBushmanmike
      @TheBushmanmike ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They "lived off the land" most warriors had young carriers who foraged for them and carried their kit etc. On major operations, they took cattle and goats with them, but generally, they lived off the land which they knew so well and the spoils from lesser tribes and occasionally settlers.

    • @michellebrown4903
      @michellebrown4903 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Napoleons armies survived largely , by
      " foraging" ,that's why he kept his different Corps fairly distant from one another, and then briefly bringing them together for the Coups de Maine.

  • @neil03051957
    @neil03051957 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I understand now why the shona attacked the Ndebele after independence 1980, it was retribution for lonbengula.

  • @TheBushmanmike
    @TheBushmanmike 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oral tradition that came down from lupane/gwaai area.
    Now I am an outcast. ... Go now all of you to Rhodes and seek his protection. He will be your chief and your friend." The king turned to Magwegwe, the next in rank, and said: "Do you remember your words?" And Magwegwe answered: "Yes, King. When you die, so shall I die." Lobengula took a small bottle and drank. Magwegwe did likewise. They both died that day. Told by the Matabele not the Europeans.

  • @2anthro
    @2anthro ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Austin Texas appreciates your site. Military history is always the same story no matter the continent: political, economic, valor, brilliance, mistakes, last stands, legend.
    All that set in Africa makes an engaging story.
    Subscribed for more!!

  • @invisibleray6987
    @invisibleray6987 ปีที่แล้ว

    shangani patrol...iconic

  • @davidlee-ln9vh
    @davidlee-ln9vh ปีที่แล้ว

    You could do another channel on Americans fighting abroad

  • @milkapeismilky5464
    @milkapeismilky5464 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A handful of hard Men, it's an unfortunate title, but a great book about Rhodesia

    • @Trigormike
      @Trigormike 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ha ha. I have it on my Amazon wishlist. If we lived in a time when that title could not be intepreteted saliciously.

  • @2394Joseph
    @2394Joseph ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was in Harare (ex Salisbury) in 1985, five years after the installation of Mugabe. There was a small bronze plaque on one of the walls which stated that it was on that exact spot that the Shangani Patrol left on their mission, which of course they never returned from. It would be interesting to know if that plaque is still there?

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi. Could you give a clue as to where the wall was? If so next time I visit I’ll check

    • @2394Joseph
      @2394Joseph ปีที่แล้ว

      @@redcoathistory All I remember is that it was close to the centre of Harare near a group of single level shops. One was a newsagent and another a second hand shop. It was on a full brick wall (no windows or doors). There was also another plaque close by referring to the fact that it was 328 kms from there to the spot where the last stand happened. (yes klm not miles for some reason). Sorry that is all that I remember.

    • @TheBushmanmike
      @TheBushmanmike ปีที่แล้ว

      @@2394Joseph They left from Bulawayo not Ft Salisbury (now harare). Wilson originally left from FT Victoria for the occupation of Bulawayo. Salisbury Horse left Ft Salisbury and joined Wilson (Victoria Rangers) at Iron MIne Hill The Shangani patrol was formed en route to where they thought Lobengula could be found after he fled Bulawayo, so it would take a huge stretch of the imagination to believe the patrol itself left from there (harare)..

    • @2394Joseph
      @2394Joseph ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheBushmanmike I still have a photograph of one of the wall plaques that I saw, (there was two) it reads (All in capital letters) "SHANGANI MEMORIAL" (heading on one line). "328 KILOMETERS" (next on one line). Then: "SCENE OF THE LAST STAND AGAINST THE MATABELE BY MAJOR ALLAN WILSON & HIS COMPANY OF 34 MEN 4TH DECEMBER 1893.
      THERE WAS NO SURVIVORS". I don't know where the battle was actually fought, if it was 328 Ks from what is now Harare, I did see it there. Then again, it was 1985 when I saw it, and I was both in Bulawayo and Harare so I could be mistaken where I actually saw it (If you know your Rhodesian geography please let me know if I reported wrongly). I do, somewhere, in all my photographs have the photo of the plaque showing the spot where they left from (which was next to the plaque mentioned above). I will try to dig it out and let you know what it says exactly.

    • @TheBushmanmike
      @TheBushmanmike ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@2394Joseph The battle took place in the district of Lupane near St Pauls Mission, it is about 40 km north of Bulawayo. You can get there via Lupane village and the Memorial still stands at a place known locally as Pupu. This indicates that it is 300 odd ks south of Salisbury now harare. When I was in the Grey's Scouts we patrolled this area, very eerie place, made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. I have pictures of the memorial, and two others at Ft Victoria and Matopos their remains were buried three times before final resting at Mt Malindidzumu Matopos, where Rhodes and Jameson are also buried.

  • @umvhu
    @umvhu ปีที่แล้ว

    Lobengula was a very interesting guy, extremely sharp mind. Nearly all the images we see of him were strictly posed, he'd taken off his usual clothing in order to look like the stereotype native chief. However as part of the trade with Cecil Rhodes, Lobengula had a few sets of clothes of a London Gentleman of the Victorian era, top hat and tails etc, which was his normal attire, he also rode horses. Both of these were in direct contrast to his culture.
    If you want a more accurate idea of this event a guy called "Five romeo romeo" has it on youtube

  • @peter4Flags
    @peter4Flags 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Men of men That was one of Wilbur Smith’s books. I can remember the story that mentioned heavy rain ,and a massacre of colonist. It depicted one as slaver a despicable man who had the grudging love of a heroine. The slaver got killed by the impi . So the story is based on this very near true account of what happened. The only thing I was wondering about; is that the book mentioned that the impi were once Zulus ,and they fragmented from the main nation, and were chased away by The Zulus up North and not by the Boers . And I think you mentioned that the land they settled on became Rhodesia. But did some of the land become Botswana? Your upload is appreciated and thank you.

  • @Jubilo1
    @Jubilo1 ปีที่แล้ว

    More Rhodesia please; where else would we see it ?

  • @MrPh30
    @MrPh30 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Look online for Ganyana 's articles on the guns and rifles ,equipment used by the Columns up into Matabele land and Rhodesia . They are excellent written and lot of good info amd experience from them.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks will do!

    • @MrPh30
      @MrPh30 ปีที่แล้ว

      Aswelo as much other guns ,war and hubting related from a lot of southern parts and Zim .

  • @BMC-hl2uh
    @BMC-hl2uh ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds good.

  • @leondillon8723
    @leondillon8723 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:06)Is that Lee Majors, stage right?

  • @dalirfarzan1694
    @dalirfarzan1694 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:59 lol, it's Forest Whitaker

  • @trevor5138
    @trevor5138 ปีที่แล้ว

    The film scenes are from the 1970 South African feature SHANGANI PATROL, directed by my friend and mentor David Million ASC 🙂

    • @muziekays3053
      @muziekays3053 ปีที่แล้ว

      Name of highlighted Movie please

    • @TrevorMoses312
      @TrevorMoses312 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Shangani Patrol.

  • @ric6383
    @ric6383 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    More Rhodesian history, go for it!

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Got a few now on the channel and another one going out on Friday - enjoy!

  • @MadMax-bq6pg
    @MadMax-bq6pg ปีที่แล้ว

    Now it seems obvious to me that young Wilson was the man who had the credentials for command in a land force. If one peruses the photographic portraits of successful British generals one will see mustachios that would make a grandfather Walrus positively green with envy! Wilson was the obvious choice for commander.

  • @emeraldflint516
    @emeraldflint516 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    more history abut Rhodesia would be nice :)

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  ปีที่แล้ว

      In will do so - to be honest, I hadn';t realised how popular this subject was.

  • @fionasmith6868
    @fionasmith6868 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How true is this what this man is talking

  • @barneyreichman127
    @barneyreichman127 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes please, more Rhodesia, will be looking at more of your videos in future.

  • @bernardmusesengwe1984
    @bernardmusesengwe1984 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Curious if, in this particular situation, the Matebele employed the ingenious buffalo/cow horn strategy to launch their assault on Wilson and his troop.

    • @redcoathistory
      @redcoathistory  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They may have been limited by the very confined space of the battlefield.

  • @yolobuck2553
    @yolobuck2553 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rhodesian history sounds interesting

  • @mikeschlau4501
    @mikeschlau4501 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I first read "Shanghai Patrol".... 😁

  • @Dav1Gv
    @Dav1Gv 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In the B&W clips from the film officers are shown with rank badges on the shoulder straps of their shirts. At the start of WW1 officers still wore rank badges on their sleeves and only changed to shoulder badges to avoid being too obvious and a target for snipers so surely the film is wrong. Any comments? Apart from that it was a fascinating video although I feel sorry for the men who seem to have been commanded by a lot of idiots. Of course there was a general who divided his forces into three in the face of the enemy in 1863 and won a great victory (but I accept it is not normally a good idea)!!! More of these please.

  • @twotubefamily9323
    @twotubefamily9323 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Try a story on "Thomas Cochrane"

    • @cpurssey982
      @cpurssey982 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Kings and Generals channel have made a fantastic documentary about him.