Episode 190 - Catherine and Anne: Queens, Rivals, Mothers with Kate McCaffrey & Dr Owen Emmerson

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  • @nancycampbell8671
    @nancycampbell8671 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I adore learning more about Hever and those who lived there. Dr. Emmerson and Claire Ridgway's "The Boleyns of Hever Castle" is already a part of my collection. I think the general public forgets that Queen Anne was deeply pious, so much attention is paid to her courtship with Henry VIII. It would be interesting to compare where the prayer books are showing wear, which prayers touched each the most. Also tickled the Gallery is an addition from Anne of Cleves! Never enough of her. How lucky Dr. Emmerson is to call Hever his office. Doesn't Hever Castle's wedding tapestry have images of Anne and Mary Boleyn? Does Dr. Emmerson want to share with us his best guess of where they might be? 😁

  • @stephanieking4444
    @stephanieking4444 ปีที่แล้ว

    This episode makes me want to go to Hever. The exhibition sounds fantastic. It's fascinating to hear that Anne of Cleves had a huge influence on the architecture, have you found out reasons for her involvement?does the research attempt to picture Hever prior to the changes she brought?

  • @jaynesouthall2103
    @jaynesouthall2103 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for such a interview so informative. So glad u are looking at both queen's with their individual characters n pious devotion to religion n how they lived their lives . So many myths arisen over the years degrading these queens . Thanks to Claire ridgeway I have explored the Tudor era. I also have begun to understand how Mary lived. To the extent I was at church were a friend stated she was the worst of the Tudors . After listening to historical blogs like this I could explain Mary's life n explain she wasn't all bad . Sadly can't get to hever Astley but wish u luck with exhibition.

    • @jaynesouthall2103
      @jaynesouthall2103 ปีที่แล้ว

      I do mean Mary 1 by the way. Did all of the wives of Henry possess a book of hours . I'm going to order Natalie's book too. On Anne Boleyn . Gripping stuff .

  • @pbohearn
    @pbohearn ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was really excited and happy to hear about all of the well thought out, renovations going on at Hever castle. About the common book, shared byAnne Boleyn and Catherine of Aragon. I really like hearing about the alternative viewpoints about their relationship, and the fact that they probably had admired each other, and also knew that they were being screwed by the man in common. Anne did her best to avoid Henry but when you have the king proposing to you, it’s difficult to say no. really fascinating, and I’m really looking forward to visiting the castle!

  • @pbohearn
    @pbohearn ปีที่แล้ว

    you make many good points and present an interesting psychodynamic perspective of Anne, I think it’s a bit harsh. I think she’s more of a human being, then what are you giving her credit for. If there were any malignant narcissists, it was Henry.

  • @topcat9852
    @topcat9852 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Natalie, I love listening to you and Dr Emmerson discuss the subject of the Tudors. Unfortunately, I have never been able to like Anne Boleyn or feel any empathy for her. Although I admire her self-serving attempts at breaking through the early 16th century glass ceiling in England, I feel instinctively that she had all the features of narcissistic personality disorder ( see DSM-5). She inherited the propensity from her father. During her early life, she was feted and spoiled into confirming her own opinion that she was superior to everyone else. She mirrored those whose character traits she could use to her own advantage. She didn’t admire anyone. I reckon Anne triangulated religion ( and eventually charity ) in order to achieve her aims of power, control and residual benefits. When she first made an impression at the English court, she wanted to marry Henry Percy - a sickly wet weekend of a man who was no match for her intellectually. Why was he such an attractive prospect ? He was powerful and rich and she wanted the control that marrying him and manipulating him would achieve for herself. There were rumours that she had slept with Percy to secure the marriage and went out of her way to silence one of her ladies who knew about it ( who, I understand made a death bed confession about it). I don’t believe she was in love with him or the King. Her narcissism also utilised her “faith” to persuade herself that she was divinely intended to be married to Henry VIII who was also a narcissist. Katherine was born to queenship - her sense of entitlement had it’s origin in her inherited status as well as custom and tradition. She understandably believed that her husband would become bored with Anne and she anticipated that she would be married off to some lowly courtier once she had been discarded. That outcome would have been a living death to Anne. When Henry realised that his relationship with Anne was politically toxic, she was making fun of him in public and didn’t make him feel good about himself any more , she was eliminated as though she never existed . The late, great Hilary Mantel observed that Anne played the game and lost. I don’t believe she would have wanted to lose in any other way than she did.