I just picked up my Leaf from E-Tech Midlands near Leicester who are HEVRA approved, I only found them as I Googled, and their list of approved garages came up. HEVRA approve, help and lend equipment to EV garages to help the mechanics work.
@@edc1569 Hybrid & Electric Vehicles Repair Alliance . Basically independent Garages who have the qualification & and necessary tools to service and repair EV's
@@scottgibson7534 Mac or PC, Ferrari or Toyota wtf is your point? The point here is that done right a battery is repairable, lasts longer then thought and if we are smart, choose the right route we have something that'll last.
@@campbellbamble5138 The question is are all battery packs as easy and "cheap" to replace dud cells ? I'm sure that will be a major consideration for the future of the EV second hand market. £500 to replace one cell is pretty affordable but what if half the cells ( or all ) had to be replaced ? Could these cars be worthless at 15 yrs they could have a usable rust free body but a financially no no because of the battery ? Hopefully batteries will get cheaper and better in 20+ years time.
I've just been watching a video on another electric car, this one used as a taxi. It has done 94,000 miles and is still performing well on its original battery.
Not really. If the battery is performing along nominal design lines then *all* the cells shoudl gradually degrade roughly simultaneously at the same rate. So near end of life you can't just replace individually like they do here and hope for some renewed life in your used EV. This repair is great for spotting and fixing the few outliers that fail along the way. But if the EV ages as per original specification then the battery will ultimately end up being too low capacity for useful operation of the EV (perhaps more than 200,000 miles likley though for larger batteries though with proper water cooled thermal control ...i.e. not like Nissan Leaf). Once at low capacity
Thats another fine mess... Sorted. Interesting video and reassuring to know how easy it was to repair. £500 is not a lot when you consider the costs over the years of exhaust pipes, oils and clutches you may have had to fit on an ICE.
I just forked out £380 to have my Golf serviced and MOT'd. Servicing costs for EV's are usually much less than that, or so I believe..... I'll be finding out in a couple of years...
@@markgilder9990 The timing belt on my Focus 1.0 litre was going to cost a packet when it needed replacing. The guy at my usual garage informed me it was a 14 hour job. So, 14 hours at £45 + vat per hour???? I don't think so. At just over 5 years old, and the rubber door seals beginning to peel off along with other things needing doing, I got rid of it..... At least the Golf I now have feels like it's built to stay the course..
500 Is a lot when you consider it's going to happen a lot more often as the other packs age. And with age they also lose capacity. Time will tell how much or little trouble these packs are going to give, but eV batteries can't bend the laws of physics.
@@MrSegmentfault Hi. Yes I see your point , However this is a 9 year old car. My wife's 2015 Suzuki S-Cross has only covered 14k but servicing costs over that time average out to about £130 pa. + a new battery @ £57. So That's £707. So at 9 years that equates to about £1400. However, in that time I would expect to have a Clutch £400 Exhaust £200+ Antifreeze, water pump, drive belts, Road tax for 9 years, Ballpark £3500 and the extra cost of the petrol, potentially a gearbox. All things an EV does not have. (I think). I do believe the cost of tyres and insurance can be more for an EV . The main difference is that replacing a battery / cell is an all at once cost instead of a constant drip over the years. And this was one cell out of 100. Only time will tell but one thing you can guarantee is, over time running, an ICE will start to be price out and Electricity will go up in price the more people use EVs
Amazing that the cells can be isolated and replaced within just a couple hours with the right setup. And nothing appeared to have broken or was stripped in the round trip process. This repair is easier than a tune up on an ICE car! It would be interesting to see how the cells will balance out after a few charge cycles - back to a GOM reading of 80+ miles?
One other factor makes an EV a very good second hand buy compared to an ICE, namely, the diagnostic capability of the powertrain. In this example, a cheap scanner allowed the repairers direct access to enough information to target the specific problem area, right down to an individual call in the battery! Compare that to trying to fix an ICE with say a knock, or a small misfire, or that stalls etc! The fact is, you can go look at a high mileage EV and know with some certainty exactly how worn or ages the major components are, unlike with an ICE where you start it, lift the bonnet and listen, perhaps look at the exhaust for any smoke, drive it rounf the block and realistically, take the risk it's not going to die expensively a short time later........
I have a 4 year old EV motorcycle $34K US when new, my battery was left at a low SOC for 6 months after a low side crash. Its completely dead. Good to see this video, I have located a repair shop and am looking forward to working with them on this repair.
Does this now mean that the Leaf is now the "go to" second hand EV? Nissan has had its detractors and critics over the leaf battery architecture and cooling. This just shows the massive benefits for those only able to afford EV's in the used sector. Buy a Leaf with confidence that it can be repaired easily at a reasonable cost. Great Video, well done James, Kate and Clevely. Nissan you have missed a huge trick.
Well to counter this video www.cbc.ca/news/business/nissan-leaf-electric-vehicle-new-battery-1.5769998 I wouldn't jump the gun based on one video by one garage. Until main dealers commit to this level of repair instead of swap the entire pack this is a real issue
@@norfolkngood8960 When I saw the CBC article the first thing I thought was"Hmm, maybe a niche opportunity here?" I'm sure there must be lots of folk out there who could figure out how to get around many of the battery issues, and it should be mandated that all EV batteries ARE repairable. As EV vehicle numbers increase I can well imagine a drive-through trade-in shop. Even traded in packs not good enough for EV could be used for electric grid load balancing I'd think.
First video I have seen that shows repair of a battery. Until now I only heart stories about dead batteries which were replaced by expensive new ones costing thousands of euros. 9 years is more that I have ever expected.
And those stories would probably come from people who have never even owned an electric car. It's truly staggering how many so called electric car "experts" there are who have never even touched one, let alone owned one..... I even met one who steadfastly insisted that both the battery and electric "engine" (his words) would need replacing every three years..... Yep, they're out there....
Brilliant video, I am a non electric car owner at the moment only due to not being in the market for a new car, this video just further makes my mind up to chose a full electric Instead of an ICE for my next car. It shows that older EV cars can still serve a purpose 👍.
Excellent video. Unfortunately, at least here in a fairly small US city, the problem is finding someone that can do the work. We have only one LEAF certified mechanic in a town of over 50k. Hopefully this will change as more EVs are sold but until then take care of your battery! All-in-all a used LEAF is the perfect under-30 mile commute car IMHO.
How can this not be the future of motoring? That's probably the most indepth maintenance job you can do on an EV. 2 hours and 500 quid. I had a quote to change my clutch for 2 grand!
By a Tesla and when the battery pack or a few cells go duff, it cant be repaired so go look at the replacement price for a pack, also this is old technology, although I think that Nissan still make there battery packs like this one.
No messing, your best video this, wonderful to watch, amazing to see this leaf ressurected so quickly and cheaply, this will help reassure those worrying about a second hand Leaf, our Leaf came from a chap who knows you and had you look at it first, 6 years old still got all battery bars 👍 I've had 3 Nissan Leafs, this one I own and is paid for, this video has really put my mind at rest, I've bookmarked the garage just in case, we won't ever sell this Leaf, will run it till it stops, wonderful car.
I'm definitely an EV geek, I really enjoyed watching that.......Oh dear!!! But wow, just shows us that fixing EV's is actually so much more efficient than any other vehicle. Now we can see how easy it would be to upgrade an whole pack, and fact find the problem, and to throw out perfectly good cells either because you can split them all up. Thanks James, another good one in the bag
Useful - thank you. I have a third hand Renault TWIZY, & after 3 years it has still put a spring into my step - wonderful for an octogenarian! I say that after 70 years of driving petrol vehicles.
Great video, it's worth mentioning that there are a number of existing companies, with more being started, who can recycle defunct battery modules, so very few would actually go to land fill. Keep up the good work.
Great fix. You should send the faulty module back to manufacturer for failure diagnosis. Something weird happened with it, that it had something shorted to the case of it.
Superb! Great result and a good myth to bust too! Can I ask what mileage the car had done? Matt have done the last two MOT's on our car and I would be happy to recommend Cleevely EV to anyone! You also get extra point for labelling the replacement cell too Matt, that's something that a future mechanic will be very glad to see!
Thank you James, this could come in very handy for those with out of warranty Leafs and those of us that might get roped in on repairs of same. In contrast to videos showing similar tear-downs of Tesla Model S battery packs this appears to be much less destructive of the top battery cover.
Change batterypack in the DIY auto repair shop. No fancy lift around, so I borrowed a 4 wheel trolly and made some suitable pilars from old tyres to get some height. Worked like a charm, the trolly made the battery pack slightly movable to line Up the bolt Holes when remounting. My EV just turned 18, now on its 3'rd set of batteries!
Great Video James - the bigger question will be, as Rich Rebuilds discovered to his detriment, what about "The right to repair" I see a time VERY soon, the EV cartel won't want back street tinkerers repairing their vehicles - they'll want to right them off and force the punter to buy a new one - so where will all the "parts" go and who will fix those out of warranty EV's???
The manufacturer can make it hard to repair, but I think they won't stop us, there will always be someone who can hack the software and hardware, so I am not too worried about that.
Great video! Really cool to see some actual EV maintenance. There are a good number of teardowns but few videos of actual 'major' repairs like this one. It'd be really interesting to see a similar repair on different vehicles, I wonder how different it would be on a car with cylindrical cells instead of the leaf's pouch cells.
Brilliant and such an important thing to cover. Amazingly reasonable cost of repair. Obviously it really helps having such knowledgeable people doing the work.
Quite fascinating. I’ve just ordered a Leaf through work car scheme as it’s cheap as chips. It’s essentially a lease car but might get the option to buy in 3 years which I would probably never have considered until I saw this 👍🏻
Great video. Thanks for taking time to make it. I, like many others believed the whole unit needed to be replaced. Great design from Nissan. Feasible for a DIYer if access to a lift etc. Now back to study for that degree in software EV engineering 😂😂
Awesome video! At work we wear leather gloves over our HV gloves to prevent damage to them. It does make handling small fasteners and wires a little more difficult.
Great video. One thing to bear in mind is that while the Gen 1 has an easily removable battery pack lid, the Gen 2 onwards are sealed using an adhesive seal bead, which has to be cut through to remove the lid. This takes some real effort to cut, so Nissan seem to have slightly moved away from the easy maintenance approach.
@@Jamesandkate any tips? Our last battery swap involved one of our technicians just going at it with an oscillating multitool for about an hour. Worked well enough but he wasn't best pleased.
Great Video. Thank you for sharing and showing the World that changing batteries are simple and cheap repair. FORGET Nissan, BMW etc., main dealer Rip-Off where, often work is not done. And Rip-Off prices. This Company, shown here looks great and very professional.
Nice James as always! Great to show EV owners and those thinking about electrification how easy it really is to maintain and get long life out of an EV! Even one pushing a decade old now! Brilliant!
Possibly the best EV video ever. However much Nissan has lost it's way this shows how practical a used Leaf is for those folk who never stray beyond the supermarket and the GPS surgery. Every town needs a Matt Cleeveley. 👍
true, theres a huge market out there for used cars with an effective range of 50 to 70 miles, most journeys in the UK are under 35 mles a day. with all the new models coming out in a year or two there should be a good supply of second hand EVs
"However much Nissan has lost it's way "... I don't think they have. How much experience have you got with the new Leaf? I've just purchased a 62 Kwh Leaf Tekna after an extensive research of all the competitors.
Yep, and a used first gen Leaf can be found online for a fraction of its original price, in great shape. Well worth it as a second car or if you don't need a lot of range (inner city car, etc).
Why they're near useless outside major cities in Australia. It's 160 miles to my specialist in Adelaide, a brand new Leaf won't make that without some hours recharging and naturally there's nowhere to do that between there and here. Then the range reduction from AC (on a 45c summer day on a 3 hour trip you need it) Useless. OH and the batteries literally get 'cooked' in our summers where 48c is not unheard of. I've seen objects in cars on a hot day at over 65c, steering wheel too hot to touch, seat belt buckle will burn you. The life of the car is another thing. It's not even 10 years old and has what amounts to a major engine fault in an IC car. What's it going to be like after 20 years? (None of my cars are under 20 years old, 3 of them are closer to 25.)
@@geoffroberts1126 The original Crocodile Dundee. I think they need you in Melbourne. There doesn't seem to be any men left in Australia just a bunch of wimps being pushed around by the police and authorities and made to wear masks because of the common cold. Bet you eat Wombat for breakfast and live in a cardboard box.
My 4 year old 43k miles 24kw leaf will last longer than I thought. Fantastic love it very informative video as always, got the car from Jonathan 11months ago, the trips you did up to Aberdeen with cars was helpful to me in making the switch to ev keep up the good work.
Even if they watched it I don't think the most hardened nay sayers would admit they were wrong. They'd probably say "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up".......
My 2011 leaf has an 8 year old battery. In Mesa AZ. It is now a local driver. It has 11 bars and 80 miles after a full charge. 39k miles total. Original brakes and tires.
The perception of poor battery lifespan for an EV (and by association, the whole vehicle lifespan) probably arises from so much of our everyday tech being life-limited by battery performance and the economics of putting it right. Our throw-away mindset! Really refreshing to see this vid and the way it removes the mystery and de-bunks the myth. The ordinary public may still take some convincing though, they are likely to regard the EV battery as an expensive “unit” rather than a pack of less expensive replaceable modules/parts. Little different then from “the engine” in a conventional internal combustion vehicle. They will be reliant upon the advice they receive from the garage they go to for service/repair work, and of course, parts availability, convenience and timescales of having work done. One thing that comes to my mind is that with the Leaf, the battery of earlier versions is simple, and criticised, for having no cooling/heating. But this must make it more economic and easier to repair than an EV that has more complex systems. Maybe it is the Morris Minor of EV’s!
Sadly, new Teslas (and probably other EVs) will prioritize manufacturability over serviceability. With non-modular battery pack as an integral, load-bearing part of the chassis, similar to what was announced during Tesla's battery investors' day, there will be no repairs like that. Hopefully, the manufacturers will compensate by the ability to isolate faulty cells. We shall see. Then again, at least one manufacturer already offers a million kilometres battery warranty.
I definitely do not like the proposition of not being able to service or replace the Tesla battery once it becomes an integral part of the structure of the vehicle. That is such a bullshit design when looking at the supposed longevity and minimal maintenance that is spruiked about....
Impressed it only cost £500 to fix? Picking up a wonky Leaf might be a good deal for a cheap run around, especially if another hour was spent treating that under chassis rust before fitting the undertrays. Good work.
Excellent video James and Matt, you make a good team. I'll be helping Cleevely EV with a failed Tesla headlight and he's going to lend me an eNV200 after your tweet reply, great company!
Can't wait to have that much range on our 2012 Leaf. Not a priority atm since we're all stuck at home, but it's nice to know that labor shouldn't be insane if and when we choose to replace the affected modules..
Wonder if someone will eventually rebuild an aftermarket leaf battery pack with integrated cooling, I'm sure there's a market for it. The Leaf is shaping up to be the tinkerer's EV of choice due to how modular the design is.
Thanks. There is a whole new industry about to develop, servicing EV vehicles and batteries. You are correct, it looks far easier than a clutch job, and this is a 9 year old car. Thanks for busting the battery myth, and this is an old car, later models with better cooling and better BMS will last even longer. There will eventually be a thriving recycling industry for old batteries, trust me, I spent my whole life in recycling, the industry is very innovative.
i would not be so optimistic. Pretty sure everyone one of them will learn from apple and or inkjet printer putting chips in their battery and even every functional component.
Thanks for that, I'm looking to make the transition and the battery was a big concern given that, as you say, there's a misconception that after three years you're on borrowed time with the battery and will get drastically reduced range.
I really like the way Nissan made the LEAF service friendly. High quality design as always. I own nothing but Nissans since 1984 for this reason. Currently have a 2011 LEAF excellent condition only 70k miles. Dealer swapped battery under warranty in 2016. Glad to see some-one show how well made it is. Despite being such a tiny battery.
I was wondering if the faulty module that was replaced could be repaired? If so, that would be an interesting video. Also how did the cost break down? The cost of the labor vs the cost of the replacement module.
Good to know these things. When Evs first came out there was a lot of wrong information. One for example was the battery could die and it would need replacement.
Great video. I always assumed that the manufacturers would make the batteries non-serviceable unless you went direct to the manufacturer for an extortionate price. £500 is fantastic considering that will most likely be the only major service cost. I really want to get a VW ID3 and I'm hoping they are as simple for a place like this to look at as the leaf seems to be
My Mitsubishi I-Miev 2011 was still running well (11KwH usable battery from distance calculations, down from original 16KwH) until it got totaled in a Drive-tru (Elderly Lady mistook gas pedal for brake). It was only totaled because the bumper parts could not be found, battery pack was untouched. But it shows these vehicles can last and should be made with longevity and upgrading/replacing battery modules in mind. Seems to me most are made with throwing away in mind. Just a terrible mindset.
Thanks for that James. Spoke to matt at clevelyev the other day on the phone about muxsan stuff. Our gen1 pack could probably do with a couple of cell packs swapping. So will see if they actually bother with the gen1s
Excellent video. You should do more of this tech stuff.... is this a common problem now on the older models of leaf etc . If so whats the percentage of cars that they see needing some new cells compared to a full cell pack or is the latter never the case .. It would be great if you made some videos on buying a secondhand early ev on a budget like a early leaf , a buyers guide and what you should be looking for ... you only need to see the comments in this video to see people want this type of content.
I think this battery problem is common in the 2011 to (some) 2013 Leaf, then the British built ones 2013 onwards had a different cell chemistry and last longer. I know of four Leaf owners that have only 7 or 8 battery health bars left that only have 40 mile range (me being one), and that is just in sleepy Lincolnshire (UK).
The fact that it is a very common car probably makes a difference as well. I have a 2016 Fiat 500E, and probably one of 10 on the east coast of the US. I wonder how hard it will be for me to get a similar repair done on this car. BTW I love the car, and hope it lasts for decades.
Great video didn't also mention how you can strip the cells and make amazing E-bikes and other vehicles but yeah there is a point they do last a lot longer than most think even if sometimes not in the intended use they don't need to go to landfill.
Very interesting and good to see. One question though, would you expect other packs to start to fail as well? A one off £500 repair is ok, but would worry me that I'd be doing this multiple times as they all begin to fail
It is theoretically possible that all the packs could fail but highly unlikely from the evidence of rechargeable batteries in use in everything from phones and laptops all the way up to ev's. As James said, it is reasonable to expect that having replaced the faulty unit the battery pack should last another 9 years and the car itself. At that point the modules will be salvagable for use in applications such as home storage batteries or even reused in keeping those few low mileage gen 1 Leafs on the road.
@@michaelgoode9555 thanks for the response. While I agree that the car can be expected to last a lot longer, I don't agree that you can say it will now continue fault free for another 9 years. I'd expect more modules to fail (if one has surely more will) and my experience with laptop and phone batteries backs this up too. Not being a downer on electric cars, I'd get one if the infrastructure was good enough!
@@Richard-xv3od Depends on the battery, of course. But generally, the cells will age together. When you get down to where the range makes the car impractical and you have to replace the entire pack, it would be clever to install a 40kWh pack (with the adapter.) I had my first-gen pack replaced under Klee (a court case in which Nissan was required to replace first-gen battery packs with 2015 packs,) and they also installed the needed adapter...so it is a part that Nissan have in their stocks.
Maybe NIO is on to something. Old or broken battery pack can be swapped out in minutes, then the factory can repair the battery and use it for next battery swap
Current quality EV batteries will last longer than the vehicle itself, so something like that is probably not even necessary. NIO works on battery swap technology to provide an alternative for fast charging.
The problem is that it is simply not scalable. It's fine when they only have thousands of cars. Multiply that by 1000 (as you will have to if it is going to replace ICE cars) and you see the scale of the problem. It's difficult enough to build enough recharging points, imagine having to build that many battery replacement kiosks.
In California, we can buy repaired battery pack for Prius for around 750 dollars (after giving repair shop the old pack). I wonder if similar arrangement can happen for ev
With the numbers of first generation Leafs around this could be a great business that just repairs the batteries. They all do not have to be scrapped but just repaired.
So the range on the car pretty much doubled once it was fixed. Nice job. I think anyone would be happy to pay 500 quid for that repair. It's a real shame Nissan have chosen to increase the cost of a replacement pack and also not offer refurbished packs outside of Japan at a reasonable cost.
Great video.👍 I wonder how difficult a job it would be to upgrade the pack to 30 or even 40 kwh ? I'm sure there'd be some adaption required and software issues to sort out, but it would be interesting to see if it can be done.
Yeh, again, Nissan say it cannot be done, but the hackers have found a way. I think you can fit the 60kwh battery in a gen 1 Leaf too. I think a couple of garages in UK and no doubt elsewhere offer that service now.
Simple question please...if i understood one module was damaged...malfunctioning. Leaf spy showed 2. Fine but where to get the replacement from please?
I think that was a reasonable price for their knowledge alone and the fact that they were honest. In America it runs over $100/hour and they have a book that tells you how long the repair should take even if they can do it in less time
Great video. Unfortunately, Tesla has chosen in their new battery configuration to make the matrix surrounding the new battery pack to essentially replace part of the frame (or more accurately ) the unibody structure. So individual cells cannot be serviced and are thus quite possibly irreparable.
Worth pointing out that a repair such as this is even less likely to be required on the newer (identical looking) 2nd gen Leaf, thanks to a completely revised battery chemistry which improved things significantly. But a repair would be identical as the battery tray is likely very similar.
This video made my confidence in repairing my leaf battery go from 25% to 110%. Great, informative Video! Curious, was that replacement cell from a salvage yard or ebay?
Good video, but how about more in-depth explanation of how to locate the bad cell? Diagnostics. Also resources for replacement and where does the dead battery go? How likely is it one of the other battery packs will fail in the near future?
Where can you get individual packs for these batteries? And what happened to the defective pack? Most people wont have access to private EV repair shops - you know the dealers won't want to repair battery packs once out of warranty, so despite claims these cars 'can' keep going, reality is most will get quickly scrapped.
I think you mean modules, not packs. The modules are readily available but still pricey as they are very much sought after. Even when the capacity is low it's very much a usable battery for grid storage. Categorically, these don't get scrapped.
This highlights the importance of HEVRA approved garages like Cleevely with the knowledge to offer diagnosis and repair. We need more of them!
Exactly.
Whats HEVRA?
I just picked up my Leaf from E-Tech Midlands near Leicester who are HEVRA approved, I only found them as I Googled, and their list of approved garages came up.
HEVRA approve, help and lend equipment to EV garages to help the mechanics work.
@@edc1569
Hybrid & Electric Vehicles Repair Alliance .
Basically independent Garages who have the qualification & and necessary tools to service and repair EV's
Especially as main dealers won't do repairs just swap out parts
Really enjoyed that. It shows that the myth that a whole pack is required at a huge price is just that.
Try it on a Tesla.
@@scottgibson7534 Mac or PC, Ferrari or Toyota wtf is your point? The point here is that done right a battery is repairable, lasts longer then thought and if we are smart, choose the right route we have something that'll last.
@@campbellbamble5138 The question is are all battery packs as easy and "cheap" to replace dud cells ?
I'm sure that will be a major consideration for the future of the EV second hand market. £500 to replace one cell is pretty affordable but what if half the cells ( or all ) had to be replaced ?
Could these cars be worthless at 15 yrs they could have a usable rust free body but a financially no no because of the battery ? Hopefully batteries will get cheaper and better in 20+ years time.
@Jo Blow I think electric cars will eventually decimate the second hand car market simply because of the battery replacement cost.
I've just been watching a video on another electric car, this one used as a taxi. It has done 94,000 miles and is still performing well on its original battery.
Hey James and Matt, what a great video, just replace the cells that have failed, such a sensible thing. This will be the future for used EV's.
Not really. If the battery is performing along nominal design lines then *all* the cells shoudl gradually degrade roughly simultaneously at the same rate. So near end of life you can't just replace individually like they do here and hope for some renewed life in your used EV.
This repair is great for spotting and fixing the few outliers that fail along the way. But if the EV ages as per original specification then the battery will ultimately end up being too low capacity for useful operation of the EV (perhaps more than 200,000 miles likley though for larger batteries though with proper water cooled thermal control ...i.e. not like Nissan Leaf).
Once at low capacity
Brilliant James and Matt , the 1st simple video ive seen on how to 'repair' an EV battery 🔋 😀 👌 👏 👍
Try doing that in a Tesla
Thats another fine mess... Sorted. Interesting video and reassuring to know how easy it was to repair. £500 is not a lot when you consider the costs over the years of exhaust pipes, oils and clutches you may have had to fit on an ICE.
Just think, it can cost upward of £500 to replace a clutch.
I just forked out £380 to have my Golf serviced and MOT'd. Servicing costs for EV's are usually much less than that, or so I believe..... I'll be finding out in a couple of years...
@@markgilder9990 The timing belt on my Focus 1.0 litre was going to cost a packet when it needed replacing. The guy at my usual garage informed me it was a 14 hour job. So, 14 hours at £45 + vat per hour???? I don't think so. At just over 5 years old, and the rubber door seals beginning to peel off along with other things needing doing, I got rid of it..... At least the Golf I now have feels like it's built to stay the course..
500 Is a lot when you consider it's going to happen a lot more often as the other packs age. And with age they also lose capacity. Time will tell how much or little trouble these packs are going to give, but eV batteries can't bend the laws of physics.
@@MrSegmentfault Hi. Yes I see your point , However this is a 9 year old car. My wife's 2015 Suzuki S-Cross has only covered 14k but servicing costs over that time average out to about £130 pa. + a new battery @ £57. So That's £707. So at 9 years that equates to about £1400. However, in that time I would expect to have a Clutch £400 Exhaust £200+ Antifreeze, water pump, drive belts, Road tax for 9 years, Ballpark £3500 and the extra cost of the petrol, potentially a gearbox. All things an EV does not have. (I think). I do believe the cost of tyres and insurance can be more for an EV . The main difference is that replacing a battery / cell is an all at once cost instead of a constant drip over the years. And this was one cell out of 100. Only time will tell but one thing you can guarantee is, over time running, an ICE will start to be price out and Electricity will go up in price the more people use EVs
Amazing that the cells can be isolated and replaced within just a couple hours with the right setup. And nothing appeared to have broken or was stripped in the round trip process. This repair is easier than a tune up on an ICE car! It would be interesting to see how the cells will balance out after a few charge cycles - back to a GOM reading of 80+ miles?
If you include timing belt change is part of a tune-up, agreed
One other factor makes an EV a very good second hand buy compared to an ICE, namely, the diagnostic capability of the powertrain. In this example, a cheap scanner allowed the repairers direct access to enough information to target the specific problem area, right down to an individual call in the battery! Compare that to trying to fix an ICE with say a knock, or a small misfire, or that stalls etc! The fact is, you can go look at a high mileage EV and know with some certainty exactly how worn or ages the major components are, unlike with an ICE where you start it, lift the bonnet and listen, perhaps look at the exhaust for any smoke, drive it rounf the block and realistically, take the risk it's not going to die expensively a short time later........
Try to scan a Tesla for error codes.
@@moestrei But this owner didn't drive a Tesla, so the point you appear to be attempting to make seems somewhat irrelevant............
I have a 4 year old EV motorcycle $34K US when new, my battery was left at a low SOC for 6 months after a low side crash. Its completely dead. Good to see this video, I have located a repair shop and am looking forward to working with them on this repair.
Does this now mean that the Leaf is now the "go to" second hand EV? Nissan has had its detractors and critics over the leaf battery architecture and cooling. This just shows the massive benefits for those only able to afford EV's in the used sector. Buy a Leaf with confidence that it can be repaired easily at a reasonable cost.
Great Video, well done James, Kate and Clevely. Nissan you have missed a huge trick.
Colin Russell I lived on an island 11 miles long and drove a leaf. It was the perfect island car.
“... now the go to second hand EV?” I think it always was.
Well to counter this video
www.cbc.ca/news/business/nissan-leaf-electric-vehicle-new-battery-1.5769998
I wouldn't jump the gun based on one video by one garage. Until main dealers commit to this level of repair instead of swap the entire pack this is a real issue
definately the go-to second hand - on its price and more importantly reliability compare to i3
@@norfolkngood8960 When I saw the CBC article the first thing I thought was"Hmm, maybe a niche opportunity here?" I'm sure there must be lots of folk out there who could figure out how to get around many of the battery issues, and it should be mandated that all EV batteries ARE repairable. As EV vehicle numbers increase I can well imagine a drive-through trade-in shop. Even traded in packs not good enough for EV could be used for electric grid load balancing I'd think.
First video I have seen that shows repair of a battery. Until now I only heart stories about dead batteries which were replaced by expensive new ones costing thousands of euros. 9 years is more that I have ever expected.
And those stories would probably come from people who have never even owned an electric car. It's truly staggering how many so called electric car "experts" there are who have never even touched one, let alone owned one..... I even met one who steadfastly insisted that both the battery and electric "engine" (his words) would need replacing every three years..... Yep, they're out there....
Brilliant video, I am a non electric car owner at the moment only due to not being in the market for a new car, this video just further makes my mind up to chose a full electric Instead of an ICE for my next car. It shows that older EV cars can still serve a purpose 👍.
Excellent video. Unfortunately, at least here in a fairly small US city, the problem is finding someone that can do the work. We have only one LEAF certified mechanic in a town of over 50k. Hopefully this will change as more EVs are sold but until then take care of your battery! All-in-all a used LEAF is the perfect under-30 mile commute car IMHO.
How can this not be the future of motoring? That's probably the most indepth maintenance job you can do on an EV. 2 hours and 500 quid. I had a quote to change my clutch for 2 grand!
By a Tesla and when the battery pack or a few cells go duff, it cant be repaired so go look at the replacement price for a pack, also this is old technology, although I think that Nissan still make there battery packs like this one.
What utter bollox " the future " 😅🤣😂 2k for a clutch, on what ? A tractor that shovels the bullshit you talk
@@LifesAbe-ach I'm very confident that history will prove me right and you wrong. All the best pal.
@@scottgibson7534 of course Tesla packs can have replacement cells, they are in banks.
@@rustybkts Do you know what is involved in opening a Tesla battery containment shell.????
That’s a lot easier than I thought,I will consider a leaf 🍁 now.
No messing, your best video this, wonderful to watch, amazing to see this leaf ressurected so quickly and cheaply, this will help reassure those worrying about a second hand Leaf, our Leaf came from a chap who knows you and had you look at it first, 6 years old still got all battery bars 👍 I've had 3 Nissan Leafs, this one I own and is paid for, this video has really put my mind at rest, I've bookmarked the garage just in case, we won't ever sell this Leaf, will run it till it stops, wonderful car.
I'm definitely an EV geek, I really enjoyed watching that.......Oh dear!!! But wow, just shows us that fixing EV's is actually so much more efficient than any other vehicle. Now we can see how easy it would be to upgrade an whole pack, and fact find the problem, and to throw out perfectly good cells either because you can split them all up. Thanks James, another good one in the bag
Great video. I guess, in time, we will see a network of EV specialist repairers throughout the UK.
Useful - thank you. I have a third hand Renault TWIZY, & after 3 years it has still put a spring into my step - wonderful for an octogenarian! I say that after 70 years of driving petrol vehicles.
Thanks James, hope to be buying our first EV this year. Getting away from our dirty diesel.
Same hope here, though it'll probable be the first half of next year. Farewell, diesel!
Great video, it's worth mentioning that there are a number of existing companies, with more being started, who can recycle defunct battery modules, so very few would actually go to land fill. Keep up the good work.
Brilliant. Let's hope a lot more of this expertise pops up in the future as the electrification transition continues.
Excellent video James - good explanation and hopefully will encourage people to realise how long EV’s will last.
Great fix. You should send the faulty module back to manufacturer for failure diagnosis. Something weird happened with it, that it had something shorted to the case of it.
Superb! Great result and a good myth to bust too! Can I ask what mileage the car had done?
Matt have done the last two MOT's on our car and I would be happy to recommend Cleevely EV to anyone! You also get extra point for labelling the replacement cell too Matt, that's something that a future mechanic will be very glad to see!
Thank you James, this could come in very handy for those with out of warranty Leafs and those of us that might get roped in on repairs of same. In contrast to videos showing similar tear-downs of Tesla Model S battery packs this appears to be much less destructive of the top battery cover.
This is an important video and message, thanks.
And I agree. I’d much rather replace some batteries than having to do maintenance on a 9 year old ICE.
Change batterypack in the DIY auto repair shop. No fancy lift around, so I borrowed a 4 wheel trolly and made some suitable pilars from old tyres to get some height. Worked like a charm, the trolly made the battery pack slightly movable to line Up the bolt Holes when remounting. My EV just turned 18, now on its 3'rd set of batteries!
Amazing, great work
Great video. This is really confirming why Im sticking to ICE with superior range and proven tech.
Great work repairing not replacing.
Brilliant short video! You both made it look easy 🙏 Also demonstrates how well the pack is sealed - looks as good as new under the cover 😎
Looked easy but of course you had the knowledge at hand to diagnose the fault. Well done
Excellent video showing how easy it is to repair faults with an EV battery.
Great Video James - the bigger question will be, as Rich Rebuilds discovered to his detriment, what about "The right to repair" I see a time VERY soon, the EV cartel won't want back street tinkerers repairing their vehicles - they'll want to right them off and force the punter to buy a new one - so where will all the "parts" go and who will fix those out of warranty EV's???
The manufacturer can make it hard to repair, but I think they won't stop us, there will always be someone who can hack the software and hardware, so I am not too worried about that.
A good point but we need strong legislation to stop OEMs locking out 3rd party repairers.
You mean *write* them off, as in an insurance *write-off*. Just sayin', for clarification.
Great video! Really cool to see some actual EV maintenance. There are a good number of teardowns but few videos of actual 'major' repairs like this one. It'd be really interesting to see a similar repair on different vehicles, I wonder how different it would be on a car with cylindrical cells instead of the leaf's pouch cells.
Brilliant and such an important thing to cover. Amazingly reasonable cost of repair. Obviously it really helps having such knowledgeable people doing the work.
Love your work vids James.
Our SR+ sits beside our ZSEV.......... AND THERE’S NO GOING BACK.
Quite fascinating. I’ve just ordered a Leaf through work car scheme as it’s cheap as chips. It’s essentially a lease car but might get the option to buy in 3 years which I would probably never have considered until I saw this 👍🏻
Great video. Thanks for taking time to make it. I, like many others believed the whole unit needed to be replaced. Great design from Nissan. Feasible for a DIYer if access to a lift etc. Now back to study for that degree in software EV engineering 😂😂
Awesome video! At work we wear leather gloves over our HV gloves to prevent damage to them. It does make handling small fasteners and wires a little more difficult.
Great video. One thing to bear in mind is that while the Gen 1 has an easily removable battery pack lid, the Gen 2 onwards are sealed using an adhesive seal bead, which has to be cut through to remove the lid. This takes some real effort to cut, so Nissan seem to have slightly moved away from the easy maintenance approach.
Oh, that is a shame, I will not sing Nissan's praises so much now.
Indeed. We have a technique for this though 👌🏻
@@Jamesandkate any tips? Our last battery swap involved one of our technicians just going at it with an oscillating multitool for about an hour. Worked well enough but he wasn't best pleased.
Great Video. Thank you for sharing and showing the World that changing batteries are simple and cheap repair. FORGET Nissan, BMW etc., main dealer Rip-Off where, often work is not done. And Rip-Off prices. This Company, shown here looks great and very professional.
Great video James it's great to see an ev live on Cleevely autos are brilliant they fixed my m s parking sensors
Nice James as always! Great to show EV owners and those thinking about electrification how easy it really is to maintain and get long life out of an EV! Even one pushing a decade old now! Brilliant!
Thank you sir.
Possibly the best EV video ever.
However much Nissan has lost it's way this shows how practical a used Leaf is for those folk who never stray beyond the supermarket and the GPS surgery.
Every town needs a Matt Cleeveley. 👍
true, theres a huge market out there for used cars with an effective range of 50 to 70 miles, most journeys in the UK are under 35 mles a day. with all the new models coming out in a year or two there should be a good supply of second hand EVs
"However much Nissan has lost it's way "... I don't think they have. How much experience have you got with the new Leaf? I've just purchased a 62 Kwh Leaf Tekna after an extensive research of all the competitors.
Yep, and a used first gen Leaf can be found online for a fraction of its original price, in great shape. Well worth it as a second car or if you don't need a lot of range (inner city car, etc).
Why they're near useless outside major cities in Australia. It's 160 miles to my specialist in Adelaide, a brand new Leaf won't make that without some hours recharging and naturally there's nowhere to do that between there and here. Then the range reduction from AC (on a 45c summer day on a 3 hour trip you need it) Useless. OH and the batteries literally get 'cooked' in our summers where 48c is not unheard of. I've seen objects in cars on a hot day at over 65c, steering wheel too hot to touch, seat belt buckle will burn you. The life of the car is another thing. It's not even 10 years old and has what amounts to a major engine fault in an IC car. What's it going to be like after 20 years? (None of my cars are under 20 years old, 3 of them are closer to 25.)
@@geoffroberts1126 The original Crocodile Dundee. I think they need you in Melbourne. There doesn't seem to be any men left in Australia just a bunch of wimps being pushed around by the police and authorities and made to wear masks because of the common cold. Bet you eat Wombat for breakfast and live in a cardboard box.
My 4 year old 43k miles 24kw leaf will last longer than I thought. Fantastic love it very informative video as always, got the car from Jonathan 11months ago, the trips you did up to Aberdeen with cars was helpful to me in making the switch to ev keep up the good work.
Excellent, thanks for the feedback 👍🏻
Very interesting video especially for the folks who have very negative opinions on ev's
Even if they watched it I don't think the most hardened nay sayers would admit they were wrong. They'd probably say "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up".......
My 2011 leaf has an 8 year old battery. In Mesa AZ. It is now a local driver. It has 11 bars and 80 miles after a full charge. 39k miles total. Original brakes and tires.
This is so so good video. I am a complete novice in car repairs. But this made it feel like a breeze.
The perception of poor battery lifespan for an EV (and by association, the whole vehicle lifespan) probably arises from so much of our everyday tech being life-limited by battery performance and the economics of putting it right. Our throw-away mindset!
Really refreshing to see this vid and the way it removes the mystery and de-bunks the myth.
The ordinary public may still take some convincing though, they are likely to regard the EV battery as an expensive “unit” rather than a pack of less expensive replaceable modules/parts. Little different then from “the engine” in a conventional internal combustion vehicle. They will be reliant upon the advice they receive from the garage they go to for service/repair work, and of course, parts availability, convenience and timescales of having work done.
One thing that comes to my mind is that with the Leaf, the battery of earlier versions is simple, and criticised, for having no cooling/heating. But this must make it more economic and easier to repair than an EV that has more complex systems. Maybe it is the Morris Minor of EV’s!
The video was worth the wait. £500 well spent for such a repair. Lovely
Sadly, new Teslas (and probably other EVs) will prioritize manufacturability over serviceability. With non-modular battery pack as an integral, load-bearing part of the chassis, similar to what was announced during Tesla's battery investors' day, there will be no repairs like that. Hopefully, the manufacturers will compensate by the ability to isolate faulty cells. We shall see.
Then again, at least one manufacturer already offers a million kilometres battery warranty.
Correct, but these kind of batteries will simply never need servicing or replacing and will last longer than the chassis and body of the car.
@@Simon-dm8zv I hope so...
@@Simon-dm8zv That is what we hope but so long as the battery elements can be recycled along with the body of the car.
@@kiae-nirodiaries1279 I am sure that is taken into consideration when designing this new cell-body construction.
I definitely do not like the proposition of not being able to service or replace the Tesla battery once it becomes an integral part of the structure of the vehicle. That is such a bullshit design when looking at the supposed longevity and minimal maintenance that is spruiked about....
Excellent video! It's great to see that it's so easy to replace a module and extend the range of a relatively old Nissan Leaf.
Impressed it only cost £500 to fix? Picking up a wonky Leaf might be a good deal for a cheap run around, especially if another hour was spent treating that under chassis rust before fitting the undertrays. Good work.
Excellent video James and Matt, you make a good team. I'll be helping Cleevely EV with a failed Tesla headlight and he's going to lend me an eNV200 after your tweet reply, great company!
Thank you for the insight, really impressive. I would love to see how much more range you would get with the balancing of the pack.
Can't wait to have that much range on our 2012 Leaf. Not a priority atm since we're all stuck at home, but it's nice to know that labor shouldn't be insane if and when we choose to replace the affected modules..
Wow, I hope there is a Cleevely EV place here in the USA! This is high class work and saves the customer so much!
Best episode yet and that’s considering all the excellent content you have in your back catalogue.
Very useful info. Detailed video and great narration. Will help lots of Leaf users around the world! Keep up the good work.
Wonder if someone will eventually rebuild an aftermarket leaf battery pack with integrated cooling, I'm sure there's a market for it. The Leaf is shaping up to be the tinkerer's EV of choice due to how modular the design is.
Thanks. There is a whole new industry about to develop, servicing EV vehicles and batteries.
You are correct, it looks far easier than a clutch job, and this is a 9 year old car.
Thanks for busting the battery myth, and this is an old car, later models with better cooling and better BMS will last even longer.
There will eventually be a thriving recycling industry for old batteries, trust me, I spent my whole life in recycling, the industry is very innovative.
i would not be so optimistic. Pretty sure everyone one of them will learn from apple and or inkjet printer putting chips in their battery and even every functional component.
Thanks for that, I'm looking to make the transition and the battery was a big concern given that, as you say, there's a misconception that after three years you're on borrowed time with the battery and will get drastically reduced range.
I really like the way Nissan made the LEAF service friendly. High quality design as always. I own nothing but Nissans since 1984 for this reason. Currently have a 2011 LEAF excellent condition only 70k miles. Dealer swapped battery under warranty in 2016. Glad to see some-one show how well made it is. Despite being such a tiny battery.
I was wondering if the faulty module that was replaced could be repaired? If so, that would be an interesting video. Also how did the cost break down? The cost of the labor vs the cost of the replacement module.
Good to know these things.
When Evs first came out there was a lot of wrong information.
One for example was the battery could die and it would need replacement.
Excellent work gents.
Recycle and save our planet! 👍✌💙🇺🇸
Great video. I always assumed that the manufacturers would make the batteries non-serviceable unless you went direct to the manufacturer for an extortionate price. £500 is fantastic considering that will most likely be the only major service cost. I really want to get a VW ID3 and I'm hoping they are as simple for a place like this to look at as the leaf seems to be
Really great work guys. Great to watch people who know what theyre doing.
My Mitsubishi I-Miev 2011 was still running well (11KwH usable battery from distance calculations, down from original 16KwH) until it got totaled in a Drive-tru (Elderly Lady mistook gas pedal for brake). It was only totaled because the bumper parts could not be found, battery pack was untouched. But it shows these vehicles can last and should be made with longevity and upgrading/replacing battery modules in mind. Seems to me most are made with throwing away in mind. Just a terrible mindset.
Thanks for that James. Spoke to matt at clevelyev the other day on the phone about muxsan stuff. Our gen1 pack could probably do with a couple of cell packs swapping. So will see if they actually bother with the gen1s
Excellent video. You should do more of this tech stuff.... is this a common problem now on the older models of leaf etc . If so whats the percentage of cars that they see needing some new cells compared to a full cell pack or is the latter never the case .. It would be great if you made some videos on buying a secondhand early ev on a budget like a early leaf , a buyers guide and what you should be looking for ... you only need to see the comments in this video to see people want this type of content.
I think this battery problem is common in the 2011 to (some) 2013 Leaf, then the British built ones 2013 onwards had a different cell chemistry and last longer. I know of four Leaf owners that have only 7 or 8 battery health bars left that only have 40 mile range (me being one), and that is just in sleepy Lincolnshire (UK).
Great video. Actually brilliant. Very good description too .
The fact that it is a very common car probably makes a difference as well. I have a 2016 Fiat 500E, and probably one of 10 on the east coast of the US. I wonder how hard it will be for me to get a similar repair done on this car. BTW I love the car, and hope it lasts for decades.
Great video didn't also mention how you can strip the cells and make amazing E-bikes and other vehicles but yeah there is a point they do last a lot longer than most think even if sometimes not in the intended use they don't need to go to landfill.
Very interesting and good to see. One question though, would you expect other packs to start to fail as well? A one off £500 repair is ok, but would worry me that I'd be doing this multiple times as they all begin to fail
It is theoretically possible that all the packs could fail but highly unlikely from the evidence of rechargeable batteries in use in everything from phones and laptops all the way up to ev's. As James said, it is reasonable to expect that having replaced the faulty unit the battery pack should last another 9 years and the car itself. At that point the modules will be salvagable for use in applications such as home storage batteries or even reused in keeping those few low mileage gen 1 Leafs on the road.
@@michaelgoode9555 thanks for the response. While I agree that the car can be expected to last a lot longer, I don't agree that you can say it will now continue fault free for another 9 years. I'd expect more modules to fail (if one has surely more will) and my experience with laptop and phone batteries backs this up too. Not being a downer on electric cars, I'd get one if the infrastructure was good enough!
@@Richard-xv3od Depends on the battery, of course. But generally, the cells will age together. When you get down to where the range makes the car impractical and you have to replace the entire pack, it would be clever to install a 40kWh pack (with the adapter.) I had my first-gen pack replaced under Klee (a court case in which Nissan was required to replace first-gen battery packs with 2015 packs,) and they also installed the needed adapter...so it is a part that Nissan have in their stocks.
Maybe NIO is on to something. Old or broken battery pack can be swapped out in minutes, then the factory can repair the battery and use it for next battery swap
Current quality EV batteries will last longer than the vehicle itself, so something like that is probably not even necessary. NIO works on battery swap technology to provide an alternative for fast charging.
The problem is that it is simply not scalable. It's fine when they only have thousands of cars. Multiply that by 1000 (as you will have to if it is going to replace ICE cars) and you see the scale of the problem. It's difficult enough to build enough recharging points, imagine having to build that many battery replacement kiosks.
In California, we can buy repaired battery pack for Prius for around 750 dollars (after giving repair shop the old pack). I wonder if similar arrangement can happen for ev
That would be great, you would think there will be a (or is) a market for such things.
Excellent video James. Top work.
With the numbers of first generation Leafs around this could be a great business that just repairs the batteries. They all do not have to be scrapped but just repaired.
No need to scrap them Doug, they can be recycled
@@Brian-om2hh Usually scrap yard and then recycled. At least around here.
Thanks for professional job and your honest take on the job,appreciated
So the range on the car pretty much doubled once it was fixed. Nice job. I think anyone would be happy to pay 500 quid for that repair.
It's a real shame Nissan have chosen to increase the cost of a replacement pack and also not offer refurbished packs outside of Japan at a reasonable cost.
Great video.👍
I wonder how difficult a job it would be to upgrade the pack to 30 or even 40 kwh ?
I'm sure there'd be some adaption required and software issues to sort out, but it would be interesting to see if it can be done.
That's actually an easy upgrade. 1 out, 1 in and a CAN bridge fitted.
Yeh, again, Nissan say it cannot be done, but the hackers have found a way. I think you can fit the 60kwh battery in a gen 1 Leaf too. I think a couple of garages in UK and no doubt elsewhere offer that service now.
A friends leaf had the onboard charger fail, at 9 years Nissans quote scrapped the car. I would love to see these guys tackling that kind of fault.
We've changed those before and I've also seen them repaired. This is why we need repairers outside of the dealer networks 🤦🏻♂️
Simple question please...if i understood one module was damaged...malfunctioning. Leaf spy showed 2. Fine but where to get the replacement from please?
I still drive a 64 plate 24kWh Leaf for work every day. It has over 80k miles on it, and a full charge still delivers 80 miles in town driving.
Should be ok for 2 or 3 years yet......
I think that was a reasonable price for their knowledge alone and the fact that they were honest. In America it runs over $100/hour and they have a book that tells you how long the repair should take even if they can do it in less time
Great video. Unfortunately, Tesla has chosen in their new battery configuration to make the matrix surrounding the new battery pack to essentially replace part of the frame (or more accurately ) the unibody structure. So individual cells cannot be serviced and are thus quite possibly irreparable.
Worth pointing out that a repair such as this is even less likely to be required on the newer (identical looking) 2nd gen Leaf, thanks to a completely revised battery chemistry which improved things significantly. But a repair would be identical as the battery tray is likely very similar.
Brilliant video James 👍
I work in high voltage power stations. Ideally, with HV gloves, you should wear leather gloves over the top. It stops the HV gloves from damage.
Should share this video to those people who think the WHOLE battery pack should be replaced (which is costly) after years of driving.
Oddly Joe, it's usually the ones whom claim a comprehensive knowledge of EV's who have never owned, driven or even sat in one.........
This video made my confidence in repairing my leaf battery go from 25% to 110%. Great, informative Video! Curious, was that replacement cell from a salvage yard or ebay?
It was second hand from a write off Leaf
Great and informative video, more of these needed to dispel the myths
Good video, but how about more in-depth explanation of how to locate the bad cell? Diagnostics. Also resources for replacement and where does the dead battery go? How likely is it one of the other battery packs will fail in the near future?
I've come late to this video. Excellent. Finding a garage to trust is important, of course.
Excellent,informative and interesting video james, 👍👍👍
Thanks for an excellent video James :)
That’s absolutely brilliant!! 😱😱 not worried about my HV batt at the moment but in the future I’ll keep this in mind after warranty
Loved the video, really interesting having never seen anything like it before
Where can you get individual packs for these batteries? And what happened to the defective pack? Most people wont have access to private EV repair shops - you know the dealers won't want to repair battery packs once out of warranty, so despite claims these cars 'can' keep going, reality is most will get quickly scrapped.
I think you mean modules, not packs. The modules are readily available but still pricey as they are very much sought after. Even when the capacity is low it's very much a usable battery for grid storage. Categorically, these don't get scrapped.
You made it look so easy. Congratulations! Greetings from Spain