Testing NANIWA Chosera 10K The Most Expensive Stone - How Important to Flatten A New Stone B4 Using
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- See how important to flatten a new stone before using:
1) If you don't flatten the new stone, it's never gonna cut well. Cutting is not evenly.
2) If you don't flatten the new stone, it's difficult to clean it by hand. The metal powder stucks into the stone.
3) If you don't flatten the new stone, the plane doesn't move smoothly on the stone.
After flattening/fixing the stone, the cutting becomes very evenly, much easier to clean. And the plane moves very smoothly.
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I too use a "coarse" DMT- dia sharp to take the clear off my new high grit stones much like your 400 Atoma, I find anything higher to suck fast and stop you quick. I own the entire Chosera line. When I bought the 10K i was not sure what to expect as it was more of an OCD thing like knife collecting for me is. But WOW, the Chosera 10K is in a league of its own and you get tactile feel equivalent to the 3K but it has a good pleasant non chalky feeling. A lot of people knock the 5K chosera but once you put the 10k in your kit you see the place for the 5K acting as the perfect setup stone for that 10K. Its the star of the Naniwa line.
Agree! 10K is good stuff. Good stuff never cheap. It has very good balance on cutting power, hardness, wearing down, tactile feedback and so on. Overall, worth to have it as very last finishing stone. Also amazing stuff for OCD. lol
@@tailibaba oh I am glad I spent the money and bought it. I have many and have used many different whetstone over the years and can not explain good enough to someone considering it how amazing it is other than to tell them just to buy it. Two I haven't tried that I would like to is the 4k Hayabusa and 8k fuji. I do have the 1k kurotu In that series and like it.
Thanks guys. Great info on the 10k. Two questions if you don’t mind. Can I go directly from a 3k Naniwa Professional to the 10K Naniwa professional.... I assume when you say Chosera that’s the, now renamed Naniwa Professional stones?
Chosera and Professional are the same quality. If you don't like the Chosera base and unable to remove it, you can get a Pro one. 3K to 10K ok for secondary edge.
sounds like a parrot that watched the terribly misinformed DURRfection video.
There is no "setup stone" to the 10k. Naniwa themselves suggest you pick one finish, the 5k or the 10k. You'd think anyone that actually owns and uses such items would know this. The setup to the 10k would more naturally be the 3k, which is the finest sharpening stone, ideal deburring stone, in the chosera line.
It is a really great stone, if I had to compare I'd say it's very similar to the 12k shapton pro, but takes more water and is more friable, but also it seems priced silly. 30 mm for $250 or you can get the same stone 15 mm, half thickness, for like $60. Doesn't make any sense. Ad
Beautiful most gorgeous stone!
Very fascinating. Have 10k and 12k stones but Shapton's. Very satisfied with it. Never seen them flatten a new stone of this grain size before using the stone. Think that the diamond flattening stone you use must be more than 1k grain. If lower in grain size I would be afraid to leave coarse serifs in the 10k.
Hi! Thank you! Actually every stone has a so called "protecting layer" or "lacquer" on the surface. That has to be taken off before use. It feels very different with or without the "protecting layer". I use Atoma #400 grid. Any grid of diamond stone above this grid, it stucks very quickly. Difficult to move on the stone and difficult to separate from stone. Don't be afraid of #400 grid and #140. I prefer #140 actually. You just need to use #140 on #220 grid stone first, then #1000 grid stone, it's not that scratchy anymore. Almost no serif on high grid finishing stones. Remember never ever use brandnew #140 and #400 grid diamond stones on high grid stone. Go on low grid stones first, then middium grid. After this process, you are good on high grid stones.
I have Shapton Pro/Kuromaku 12k and im absolutely not satisfied🙏 The stone is death (lack of feedback and tactile feel is unpleasant).. In fact i dont even use it anymore
@@georgeyoung4292 just buy natural stone for the price....
You can try to make some mud slurry.
I suggest not to use a sharpening stone to flatten another sharpening stone.
Can anyone confirm if that is the Atoma 400 that is being used to flatten? To Philippe Myny’s comment below…once flattened with the Atoma 400, could you use a flattened Nanina 3000 or 5000 professional on the 10000 stone to remove the serifs that may have been left from the Atoma?
Please disregard the comment above…I ve read some of the replies that seem to answer my questions!
Atoma 400, right! No need to use any other stone to flattern another stone. Just use Atoma.
It's SO BIIIIIGGGG I WANT IT!
lol Nice one.
Very nice! Where can one pick this up? I see the professional version but it’s thinner (20mm I think). I noticed yours is thicker, maybe 30mm or so. Thanks!
Thank you! It's the same quality as the professional series. Thickness is about 34mm. Do you want the thick one?
@@tailibaba I generally prefer thicker stones but the only place I see them is on eBay with shipping from Japan. Unfortunately at higher prices plus I’d have to pay taxes on eBay too. Curious where you got yours? I’d rather order directly from Japan (without ebay). Thanks again!
@@wachinstuf I got this from Naniwa. I have 2 on stock. But I think shipping fee will be expensive. But if you are interested in it. I can check for you. You can compare and take whichever is cheaper.
@@tailibaba Sure, I live in the United States - New York. if you can give me an idea of price/shipping that would be great, thanks!
Sure. You find me on Instagram. Same name. We can send message there.
Does it matter if you use the top or back of the stone. I've always wondered. My Mohimei 9K feels very different from one site to the other
Hi, I used to use top before. Then mark the name of the stone on the side. Now I use the back. Leave the marking in top. I feel the same. No different. But I always flatten the stone before use. Especially the edges.
Loved it, think about buying adding to my collection l.
It's a big brick. Nice one.
What is that grippy mesh that you put down? I’d like to find some.
You mean the Nagura? It's Morihei Nagura.
@@tailibaba no i get it after flattening with the atoma 140. its almost like it leave some diamonds behind or something. stone always has some grit i can seem to get rid of immediately after flattening,
Ok. I never had it.
I think you mean the cabinet liner?
The stone seems very fast for a 10k stone.
It's a good stone. Just a bit expensive.
What grit Atoma / Diamond plate have you used for flattening?
Hi, Atoma #400 grid is almost good for almost all grids of stones. But sometimes it gets stuck when you work on high grid like above #5000 grid. For example, I would use Atoma #140 grid for #8000 grid. But one thing for sure, you don't need to worry about Atoma #400 working on #180 grid stone.
@@tailibaba Thanks mate. You're right there. I wouldn't bother for a #180 or #120 with a #400 Atoma.....
Thanks! If budge ok, get Atoma 400, and then stick 140 on the back. Then you are perfect. Never use Atoma 600 or 1200 to flatten a stone. It stick to the stone very quickly. Atoma 140 grid can do perfect flattening job as well. After you use it once, you don't need to worry about scratches on high grid stone. Super light scratches only.
@@tailibaba I flattened the stone ( Chosera #10000 ) just as you have done here and tried it out with VG10 and a Aogami Super knives. It's loading up (clogging) and forget about getting clean by rubbing fingers alone. Chosera cleaning stone had to be used. Have I been unloaded a copy stone because the packing itself was suspicious? Please answer my query. It also arrived with a big chunk of corner broken, still I decided to keep it thinking I'll use the intact part. But to this avail? A Naniwa stone that clogs up like a Naniwa Superstone?
@@oldwolf6091 Hi, the key is to keep the slurry on the stone and use it. The slurry is very helpful. How much did you spend on this stone? It comes with yellow fabric inside the box. One big light blue stone with a big cleaning stone.
What the difference between this naniwa and chosera stone ?
This is actually Chosera #10000 grid.
你最推荐购买的砥石有哪些？目前用的 New Cerax 320 已经用了一半，耗损蛮快的，想找性价比高的砥石用。目前还有 末广 New Cerax 1000 和 末广黄华 6000目。
这些都太软了。试试龙虾和今西的砥石
@@tailibaba 好的，应该会试试今西。多谢。
@@tailibaba 在哪里可以买到今夕制砥？淘宝有吗？
我有一些存货
Does it matter which side of the stone you use? I see one has design and one does not. Are both sides same? Im a beginner thx.
This one is made by Suehiro. Two sides but same #1000 grid. One side is traditional fired and the other side is made of Gokumyo method. Different feeling. Thinner side (Gokumyo) is finer as well. Can be a finishing stone.
@@tailibaba what if whetstone is Cerax 1000 only. If one side is warped can I just flip it over and use other side?
@@tailibaba You mean this Chosera is made by Suehiro? Please ckarify.
I would suggest that you flatten your stone.
目前這塊大約要多少錢
刀剑用这个厚的要小2000了
@@tailibaba 謝了
@@tailibaba 这个在那里购买的
这个我有两个存货
Not even near to the most expensive stone.. but nice video 👍
Almost for 10k. lol
@@tailibaba This stone is just under $300. Some natural whetstones are over $2000. Need to correct your title to "most expensive ceramic whetstone"
Yes, you are right! Thank you!
@@jrcartoonz2141Most expansive synthetic stone
Don't touch the stone with your fingers or skin.
lol you can buy natural stones at the price point, or just strop with compound
I've heard compound is actually toxic. And it's difficult to be cleaned. So I stopped using compound on kitchen knives.
@@tailibaba What do you use now? CBN? Diamond? What kind? Mono? Paste? Water solution? Oil solution? On what kind of substrate? Leather? Wood?
I use .5 micron CBN on balsa wood. Followed with .1 diamond on buffalo leather.
@@jeffhicks8428 Fine leather on wood is good enough. Using different material for only increasing that slightly amount of sharpness doesn't bother me at all.