Deep Water Culture vs Kratky... And the Importance of Air Flow in Indoor Systems
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2024
- Hoocho tries to compare DWC and Kratky Hydroponic Methods... With a surprisingly interesting lesson learned.
00:00 - Intro
01:20 - System Set Up
06:26 - 3D Printable Air Stone Holder
07:49 - Deep Water Culture Discussion
10:36 - Kratky Discussion
11:51 - Nutrient Preparation
12:57 - Planting Out The System
16:27 - Timelapse #1
17:08 - Air Flow Problems
20:29 - Timelapse #2
21:56 - Discussion: Why Air Flow is Important
23:12 - Plant Physiology; Movement of Water and Nutrients
27:05 - Outro
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Showing these failures is valuable. Sure helps a lot more than "do this for massive harvests!". I had a funny parallel experience with my peppers and their leaves indoors. Vapour pressure deficit matters a lot from what I learned.
Any tips for indoor hydroponic peppers? I've got 4 Shishito plants and 3 Cayennes going but I don't seem much info at all out there about hydroponic peppers! I'm also very new hydroponics in general. Built a setup over Christmas and have planted a ton of different things to see what I can manage!
Failures prove something happened. Now we have something to move against/towards/around to adjust the situation. Thank you for showing the difficulties you experience! I learn more from your corrections than from your perfections.
Love this, thank.
Great content. 🎉 Keep up.
I was also going to suggest an episode on VPD but looks like someone beat me to it! From my experience with DWC it really doesn't need to be very complicated. A few years ago I started some chillies using kratky, when they got bigger refilling the kratky became inconvenient so I switched them over to DWC. At first I bought an air pump to do it the same way as you in this video, but eventually they reached a size where the air pump felt inadequate. I can't remember where but somewhere I read that water oxygenates most at the surface. When I first looked into DWC I had assumed that you'd need to pump the oxygen directly into the water, but actually the water/air contact at the top of the container oxygenates the water just as well if not better because of the larger surface area (compared to the bubbles produced by an air stone). I had a bigger water pump laying around so I just threw that in my container instead of the air pump and it worked amazingly well, I had 0 issues. I even had the pump on timer for 15mins every 2hrs and still had no issues and healthy roots.
All this to say DWC doesn't have to be complicated, just keep the water moving so that the surface is turning over and in my experience you're good to go. Could be another test for the channel or an idea for a new system for you to play around with - one that starts out kratky and converts to a simple DWC when the plant is big enough. Anyways, great vid as always :)
This comment along with this amazing video needs to have more people know about it. It helps explain plants to me in a way I never realized! They have passive circulatory systems whereas we have active pumps to do that stuff. Your comment suggests, too, that it's the movement more than the air pump that was doing the work. Have you tried two systems side by side, one with an air pump and the other with the water pump? Very curious how that would work.
In my experience DWC has never been a set and forget process I will check the nutrient levels, concentratrions and pH and adjust once a week, with a DWC system like this you might be able to get away with 2 weeks unmanaged maybe a bit longer. also having the airstones raised reduces the volume of oxygenated nutrient water available to the roots and once the level falls below that of the airstones then it turns into a Kratky method which the plants may not like due to a larger root mass expecting to be submerged. With the Kratky method a little bit of maintenance and water level management would have seen a much better end result after fixing the transipration issue. Possibly a nutrient drip could be setup to both setups to continually add a small amount of nutes and water after say week 2, just to keep both methods at a functional water level. Depending on water uptake 50ml - 250mL/ day for each method? Ahhhh forget all of the drivil I just mentioned as I suppose all it really needs is just a larger container and volume of water. It would be interesting to see how the nutrient concentration and water changes from week to week especially if tested against a fan and no fan scenario. Just my thoughts and reading back through my ramblings it sounds a bit critcal sorry for that. Love the time lapse really show the plants dancing and reacting to their environment.
Excellent tutorial, Hoocho. I like how you explain things so everyone can understand them. I also like how you design, create and share 3D printed parts to help solve issues you see in your systems.
Great episode! Please consider making an episode about VPD. What it is, what levels you should aim for, and how to regulate indoor systems to maintain it. 🤓
Very interesting! Thank you for taking the time to do those time consuming experiments for us. I've started DWC indoor with your help (believe it or not) and my romaine lettuce is just about to be harvested and was doing awesome until I saw brown tips recently! I didn't make a big deal of it since I'm harvesting the whole batch tomorrow and starting anew. I will definitely add some airflow! Superb video work
Great explanation! I have been a indoor gardener for many years. This is the biggest reason most new indoor gardens fail. You nail it!
Came for the timelapse. I also figured out how much of a difference airflow makes. I use cpu fans to provide airflow, super efficient. Now that I have the airflow, I was literally able to double the light flux, increasing growth rate, while eliminating tip burn. Great vid!
Wow. Thanks! Great info for us indoor growers. And the clarity of your presentation is wonderful.
I am just starting my hydroponics journey and I can't thank you enough for this very valuable lesson, especially concerning airflow and how it affects both mature plants and seedlings. Dropping small science nuggets here and there really helps to paint the bigger picture about both indoor and outdoor gardening, whether it be hydroponics or growing in soil.
Finally someone who explained the Kratky in depth the way I understood
Thx g
Brilliant! Thank you for sharing when things don't go well and your lil pup!!
This scientific explanation about Transpiration is fascinating, because it has a direct effect in the plants utilization of nutrients in the water. I'm trying to grow strawberries in a DWC bucket. Without a fan, and air movement, the tips of the strawberry leaves turn brown. I added a fan and airflow over the plants, and the leaves stopped turning brown. Also, the new leaves stayed green. I'm so glad that you experienced the same thing with your lettuce plants, which validates what I thought was happening. Thank you so much for this video !!
You’re very honest about your lessons. It’s awesome to learn from your mistakes. I’m looking forward to getting my Kratsky going
LOL! Your dog was making sure you were doing everything right! Well done, Poocho!
That airflow tip is a game changer for me. never thought something so simple could be preventing nutrients from getting into the plant.
I know, Blew my mind. too...
I really enjoy your teaching moments. This one, regarding air flow, was particularly enjoyable. 😊
The info regarding airflow has solved one of my biggest breakdowns with my Kratky method. It explains why my leggy, barely surviving kale is miraculously coming back to life and actually showing sign of, do I dare say, flourishing. Thanks Mitch for your expertise. It as opened my eyes to the hydroponic movement! I think I’m ready to give my lettuce garden another run.
Came for the yield comparison and tune, left wiser about the air flow problem I was having ❤😊
Mate you are just the best!! I look forward to every experiment you go through. You help me tune up my system regularly 🤙🤙
This was a very valuable lesson. Thank you for sharing your failures and research into them. This may explain why the leaves of my tomatoes are wilting off as the plants grow. I'll have to get a fan on them.
Love the left turn this took, just like everything I try to do in a day, start with one destination in mind and ending up somewhere completely different
I use 1/4" soaker tubing rather than a stone. I can make a coil which surrounds the roots with bubbly goodness. I drill a couple of bigger holes as well. Works great, I struggled with my stones getting clogged
Hello Hoocho and thank you for your channel. I wanted to comment on the use of the air stone and air pump. I am coming at this from an aquarium point of view. My experience has taught me that it is important to keep the air pump higher than the air stone, in the event of power loss the air lines can fill with water and siphon off the nutrient fluid in bucket adding to the problems already associated with a power outage. Simple inline check valves will also help but as a word of caution they occasionally fail as well so simply keeping the pump higher than the container is the best practice. Best wishes.
Thank you, THANK YOU for posting this video. I think it's my favourite one on your channel. I haven't seen a video on your channel that I can relate to as much as this one. Learned SO much from this one! We learn so much from our mistakes. We learn almost nothing when things go well. It's a lot harder to know for sure what went right and whether it was a fluke or not (or even if things could have gone better) Like, if you did the kratky vs dwc, and they both did just fine, what would we have learned? I AM interested to see this comparison revisited, but I am very grateful that you posted this failed experiment because we learned things that are relevant for ANY indoor system. Thanks again!
Thank you for showing failures. It is very helpful. You solved one of my problems I found just today!
I just got back from the store buying fans for my indoor plants! Thank you for the video!
I love your videos! I have learned so much from them. This one hit home and explained why my lettuce has dead leaf tips. Ordering fans now. My grow is indoors for now until it warms up outside, still snowing. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Would be really interesting to see an experiment on how much air flow is needed. And does it need to be all day,or just when the lights are on ?
Thanks for sharing. I appreciate your knowledge and experience.
I've been having the same exact issue with my indoor kratky system. Thank you so much for the explanation and I can't wait to add some fans!
Wow. The information in this vidoe is absolute solid GOLD. The science is totally clear, understandable and so valuable. I'm so glad this test failed as we got so much valuable information out of it. I now understand fans, the value of wind. My mind is expanded and my potenial for better growing is expanded.
thank you Hoocho!!!
Wow I had the same problem with the tips I thought it was nutrient burn but it's such a simple fix. thank you and to the person who suggested this.
That is really interesting and I guess intuitively I just must have known this because I’ve always had a fan running on my indoor grow systems(not my seedlings though). I never knew why it worked I just knew it did and I was having amazing results with all my leafy greens and everyone was always amazed at the colors. To me it was normal and I was always cutting the outer leaves off every 7-10 days so I never gave the plants an opportunity to not get their required nutrients. But it’s very interesting my initial thought was to keep good air flow to prevent any mold or fungus issues but I’m blown away to learn how it actually helped the plants to pull in the nutrients needed. One question-on your video time lapse you said that your pak Choi ran out of nutrients and that was why they were weathering and dying but did they also run out of water entirely? Because it’s been my experience as long as they have water they will continue to survive and they will grow slowly but the intensity of the green leaves will be quite light in color but they won’t die down the way yours did, so was it nutrients and water that was lacking?🥰❤️🙏🏻🇨🇦
Great to see a fellow Aussie and Queenslander! Learning a lot from you - thanks. :)
Hydroponics is the perfect balance between science & engineering. So enjoyable!
Good lesson with great information. Thank You.
Amazing, didn't know any of that! Thanks!!
Thank you so much for this. I have had similar failures and your video has really opened my eyes to the ... Root cause.
Thank you, I have learnt heaps in this episode.
Thanks Hoocho REALLY Great stuff Love ya work !
Regarding the Stomata, I read that birds chirping in the morning trigger the stomata into opening. And, that is the reason why people growing indoors see improvement when playing classical music to their plants. The theory is that classical music simulates birds chirping and therefore improves respiration through the stomata. I would love to see an episode where you run tests on playing music to your plants.
Appreciate the reminders!!
Clever 3D holder for the air stones, I like those. Your indoor grows are looking better. Simplicity and great results..., repeat.
Thanks again for the nice experiment and of course the great time laps. I've already noticed the airflow thing myself and got better results with fans, but your explanation was very helpful to understand the context in the right way. thinking about it, it's kinda obvisouly plants do need some air, like in nature. I run my setup with some 120mm PC fans (30 min on/off), which are very cheap and mostly powerful enough.
Looking forward to your next comparison video. It would be interesting to see if different air on/off intervals or diffirent intvervals during day/night cycles would affect plant growth.
By the way i think dwc has only an advantage to bigger plants with fruits.
Nice and surprising result :)
Awesome video and info , thank you
This explains some of my own burnt ends. Thank you for sharing!
In my indoor DWC you can definitely see the effect of the air movement right now it’s a little overgrown and the plants not getting as much airflow have the expected brown tips. I usually rotate the plants every few days, been busy and didn’t the last week and it is showing.
I have the OXYPOT XL as my first DWC reservoir for indoor growth and had planned on some 3D prints to duplicate the air stone placement just like you have shown here. I think this will be a perfect compliment to my grow towers. As always, appreciate your trial and errors to help us avoid the same in our grows.
The oxypots have the airstone holders molded into the base of the reservoir. This is prolly where Hoocho got the idea from :)
Very informative Thanks!
This is valuable to watch.
Love the setup and the science lesson. Love the zapper at the end, bad boy sounded like bacon sizzling... haha
Poor little fella… unless he was eating my plants… in which place, he got what he deserved.
Super helpful info! Thx 👍
Thank you so much for explaining the science in this. It makes so much sense I appreciate it. Also shows the importance of nature & being outside in its natural habitat therefore we should do our best to try and replicate that environment as much as possible when we can.
Great information. TY. Now run that Kratky vs DWC TEST PLEASE. 😉
You do such an amazing job!
Great info, my friend
Great Video on several levels..... Thanks for being you... I so enjoy the fact that you showcase All the journey so as to be able to learn from the mishaps and "Grow" from the learning experience along the way. #GreatGrowInfo
Amazing video, thank you for showing a failed experiment and using the opportunity to learn and teach!
thanks for every Video
Hey, could you do a video on some of the other equipment you use and why you chose those models, and what to look for? In particular, I'm curious about your light meter and pH/ec meters (as well as care/maintenance of these tools). I've toyed with cheap pH meters in the past, but they were always too finickey for my liking, so I use pH testing strips these days. And I feel like I've killed some young seedlings with too intense light since I've never used a meter to check my levels.
Thank you again for all the content you put out!
I just discovered your channel yesterday and subbed this morning. I've been binge watching earlier episodes. I'm a died in the wool organic soil grower and am just starting to get interested in hydroponics. I'm considering trying indoor lettuce using the Kratkey system, but it was very disheartening to watch the Kratkey plants wither away after running out of nutrients.
just love your explanation
my stomach dropped when you put your full arm behind the blade, I'm so glad you moved it
Very good video!!
Thanks Hoocho
This was so amazing to see man
Thank you
Any thoughts on how relative humidity in the air could affect plant transpiration? I live in a high desert region that has very low humidity year round and have my hydro setup indoors year round.
If I understand stomatal transpiration correctly, it's the evaporation of water from the stomatal specifically.
So if the stomatal has high humidity, and the air around it has low humidity, I am curious if there is a % difference I'm humidity that allows for appropriate stomatal transpiration without the need of air flow.
The airstone positions can be improved. Currently they will affect the two center plants twice the amount of the 4 corners. Just move them 1/3rd the distance to each closest end. That will shrink the disparity of those center plants from 100% to just 8%.
Ha, I'm test running a 2x4 foot lettuce kratky indoors at the moment. You were smart going with smaller bins, I didn't think this through as I have to clean out the whole thing at once which is not ideal.
I guess I better get a fan 😆
Great video. I like the twist at the end. I’ll be adding a fan to my setup immediately!
In my indoor NFT setup I’ve started to get a root rot problem, and have no idea what to do about it. I have airstones in the res already but the root rot keeps coming back.
Maybe a video on that topic???
Root rot happens in the absence of oxygen and when the plants are vulnerable due to deficiencies. Identify the reason for the lack of oxygen and it will solve your problem.
Watch my video “NFT you’re doing it wrong”
What foam do you use? Brand name perhaps? Trying to find some across the ditch but can only find extruded polystyrene, is it the same thing?
At the end - ah the serenity!
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Are there any benefits to using the bamboo sticks vs foam pucks?
Awesome!
Do you run your fans 24/7? I have heard of people saying to run the fan while the lights are on. Then in the "night" cycle cut the fan too and let the plants reset.
Thank you.
What is the best pump always on or pump off on x number of minutes. I use hydroponics tower and pipe system
Do you have a video of the tiered NFT system you built at 0:48 ?
Thank you for all your information, but as a newbie to this I’m frustrated. I probably follow you more than anyone, because of your explanations of the good bad & ugly.
So, my growing is about 1/4 your rate. I’m using master blend. I start my seedlings in either a propagation box or the aero system. Both do well. It’s when I transfer to Kratky that things slow down. I have the red/white/blue grow lights. Use MB, some foods are in coco noir, lava balls or a combo or coco noir/vermiculite/perlite. I wash & all before using & soak in nutrients as well.
My plants are also exposed to South windows & I have a fan going.
Yet my plant growth is so slow. Nothing like your time lapse & I feel like I’m doing all you are doing EXCEPT perhaps I do not have the proper humidity or heat levels.
We recently moved to an area where food gardening outside is not allowed. I have planted some lettuce & other items between flowers but that’s all I can do without being discovered.
Is the answer what I think? Humidity & heat?
Just wondering where you got the XPS board from?
I need a Hoochos starter guide (beyond lettuces albeit I know they are the right place to start) and summary of nuances between different plants. There's so much information to digest.
My goal is to have a small variety of systems and plants for a level of self sustained food production and I know it'll grow, some pun intended, from there
What would you like included in the starter guide?
@@Hoocho that's a really good question. I think my sticking points today as I'm trying to dive into hydroponics are recommendations on what system might be easiest to start up with different varieties of plants and watchouts.
I'm working my way through the various textbooks and I haven't seen any sort of guidance yet on nutrient differences between plant families, certainly the lettuces need different nutrients from potato or strawberry? Maybe they don't.
I'm going to start with small samples of different things but it would be nice for a Hoochos quick start guide for newbies.
Are the white cameras you're using everywhere Wyze cams? Which ones ?
what do you use for your timelapse cameras?
Are the black containers available for purchase in US?
What lights are those on the shelf? Where can I find them? Thanks
Love it! If you use a heat gun on the 3D print for a couple seconds, all the stringing will disappear.
Hey mate, just FYI - Bunnings has deleted that EPS foam from their inventory. Got told by them a few weeks ago, half way through insulating my shed.
so why did both trays stop growing? You said they ran out of nutrients? What could be done to keep that from happening? Can you add nutrient enriched water periodically?
Another good Video
Never know that. So everyone needs a fan club.
You're amazing thank you
I've added the KNF Jadam Organic Pest and Disease solutions to manage my pest and disease issues. It is cheap to make, organic and doesn't affect my vegetables and improves the leave's moisture absorption too.
Immediately ordering clip-on USB fans for my indoor leafy green rack
HI,
What's the nutrient solution that you use?
Thanks
Can you maybe do differen't plans in the version 2.0 of this test? Lettuce isn't very demanding by itself and won't have a huge difference in the end. I'm pretty much half way around the world from you, so completely different climate and circumstances, but in my experiences, a plant that requires lots of nutrients and that has a relatively fast growth will push the comparison towards DWC. Most of my experiences are from Chilli plants and adding the airstone makes a huge difference for me. Wasn't as crucial to the growth of a tree seedling though. But maybe you can find a little selection that can show other demands for plants without taking up your time for a year to film it.
Although this may sound contradictory, it’s better to located the fan higher up to blow air downwards instead of horizontally across the leaves. Just to share.
Issues aside, it doesn't look like DWC was significantly more productive than Kratky.