If I remember correctly, it was Clark Gable who told both the Academy and the venue that he wouldn't attend, if Hattie were not given the same considerations as the other actors.
But she wasn’t given the same consideration. As I understand it from multiple sources, Clark Gable wasn’t there as he knew in advance that he was not his category’s winner. The truth may be speculative. More importantly the indignity of Ms McDaniel (the Oscar winner) sitting away from the Gone with the Wind leads at a small table near the back wall and not being in any group pictures with the other winners is usually ignored. Black people complained back then. So please show the movie unedited (and other ugly reminders so we strive to do better) Remember the hypocrisy: the Oscar ceremony and its venue in 20th century California promoted the same dehumanizing values that were portrayed in the Gone With The Wind story.
@@paulgibbons1366 I never understood the lunacy in regards to the holocaust never taken place. The people who lived in that terrible time in history are still alive today.
Gone With the Wind, despite being a product of its time, is a classic piece of cinema and one of the films that inspired me to start my own channel to discuss film and TV analysis!
@@krisj827 A terrible film, I always hated it. Birth of A Nation is a far superior, terrible, film in my opinion. I at least can respect the "art" of the racist filth.
Physical media is a must nowadays. Maybe it’s better to revisit past pieces of work than consume new things that no longer have any artistic integrity whatsoever.
Hello- aside from the unrealistic view of the South before, during and after the Civil War Mammy was my favorite character in the film. I don't think anyone wanted to get on her bad side. even Rhett Butler said the one person he never wanted to rub the wrong way was Mammy.
The most important part of this story for me is that they intend to bring it back. It is culturally important for us to understand how people viewed the world in the past, even when those views are biggoted. I can't tell if all these removals are knee jerk reactions by networks to preserve ratings or whether they are responding to genuine public pressure. Either way it needs to be done with careful consideration on a show by show basis, not a one size fits all policy.
Right. But you do know that Hollywood are masters at exaggerating and over dramatizing culture in any point of history, right? So any “cultural” movie that Hollywood puts out is hardly precision accurate. Hollywood loves to magnify the most controversial among us, at times to be unrealistic. So yeah, there was racism during the filming of “Gone With The Wind”, but we can’t sit here and claim it’s 100% accurate. As if “Gone With The Wind” is the basis for all of Southern history and race relations. I’m not really addressing you in this, because you most certainly know this. But the people who are calling for the removal of all our history in America, need this explanation.
that is why most governments around the world pushed people to scrap cash payments... they want people to use credit cards and not cash and stream instead of a physical media to have total control over content and easy censorship when needed...
I watched the film it’s was a interesting film to see how slave was treated, some people want to change their history sorry history will not be the same.
Donna Cianciosi the same way it sanitized just about every aspect of life. Slavery was awful but even back then Filming slavery as it was in that time would have sickened those watching even more. Which it should have. Same with the way people are killed on screen. Completely different.... film has to tone down a lot to make it easier on mass audiences watching. Niche films are where you get closer to realism.
You didn't learn anything about how slaves we're treated from this film; don't be naive. And history is not taught by films. Finally, it's temporary, it will be back up soon anyway, so what's the problem?
@@donna25871 I don't think it sanatized it. It tells a story and shows human relationships in a particular context. We are used to see movies with rebellious slaves (black or white by the way) and it's great, but in real life I can also imagine that not every masters hated their slaves and not every slave hated their masters too. It's the context that was awful, the relationships between human beings are more complex than the overal context and I think cinema should show every sides of a story. The maternal love of Mammy for her master's daughter is touching in this movie, precisely because of the context and what she has to endure.
HBOMAX contributing to physical media sales... Good job⤵ The 1939 classic shot to the top of Amazon’s movies and TV bestseller list overnight and on Wednesday occupied the number 1 slot, the number 8 slot and the number 9 slot. It did so in different iterations: DVD, Blu-ray and the 70th Anniversary Edition.
For all of you clearly not watching, they're not permanently removing it. They're simply taking it down temporarily so they can add a disclaimer at the beginning of it. Why does nobody watch the video before commenting?
I mean what really needs to go into it? “This film may contain scenes of slavery glorification”, there you go. The fact this was casually on there for like what a week or two (?) , then Floyd dies and sparks what it has, *then* something is terribly up. Reeks.
@@les4767 Your attitude is a big part of the problem. Without activism women would not be allowed to vote and without activism parts of the US would still be segregated. But every time people try to change the world through activism, activism is defined by some as ‘mob rule’. Two of the highest rated US movies of all time are racist. It is time to address that. Not by removing those movies permanently, but my making a thoughtful introduction that explains the context in which those movies were made. A simple disclaimer is pointless or perhaps even worse than no disclaimer at all. Both movies specifically ‘show’ that giving black people rights, leads to a dangerous situation for white people. If you fail to see how that message is still having an impact today...
That is not the point!! They SHOULDN'T remove it even for a split second...!! Nor should they have a disclaimer!! It's pandering to TERRORISTS. Will they next have a disclaimer for "Schindler's List" because it shows Nazis and swastikas?? Or search through every movie for what they consider racist things and ban all those too! Do you see the point how ridiculous it is?
When I was a kid in the1960s, here in Britain, we had a tv show called “The Black and White Minstrel Show”. Which was a show in which loads of white guys blacked up, and sang old minstrel songs. When it was cancelled in the 70s, people were up in arms, because they said it was harmless fun, and folks were being too sensitive. You can see clips on TH-cam. All this happened in my lifetime, and I’m not really that old.
So, do you approve this need of an attachment for gone with the wind? Does it celebrate or glorify slavery in any way ? What is so dangerous or so wrong about it?
What needs to be put into context? I’d like to think people watching it are well aware of what slavery is and especially was back then. If they don’t I’m sorry someone in their life has failed them up that point where they happen to be watching this of all things. People don’t need babying with this.
If HBO is taking the film off only to create an intelligent and thoughtful explanation is fine. Far better than editing the first black oscar performance. Better than censorship. Also it is best for people in the future to understand what the culture was at the time.
@@batmanforpresident9655 Ummmm... No one is banning it. Calm down. Besides, you can go to your local library, Best Buy, Walmart, or Target and still buy a copy of GONE WITH THE WIND yourself. It's readily available on iTunes and Amazon Prime Video. Like I said before, calm down.
I’d be a lot more angry if “Gone with the Wind” was permanently removed from HBO Max. Yes, the portrayal of slavery and the Civil War-era south is romanticized, but are we really going to erase cinematic history for that reason?
The main issue people have with the film is the stereotypical portrayal of blacks in general. Not slavery or the Civil War. If they don't modify the film or ban it then I'm fine with them adding additional information before or afterward.
Even if it were removed from HBO Max forever... so what? The film is still out there readily available to watch. Just because one service removes it from their library doesn't mean the film disappears forever.
@@blipmachine But why take it out in the first place? Why not just adding the disclaimer? I'll tell you why: less controversy, less publicity. HBO is like the kid in class who plays the buffoon to catch the attention of his/her peers.
RickDeckard '82 Because of the black lives matter protest and the conversation we are having at the moment. Maybe they just thought taking it down would be a bit more respectful in the meantime, while we address the current climate.
@@dylancarter6717 Then everytime shit hits the fan, platforms are just going to censor stuff that may be sensible out of...respect? Are we going to stop talking about the horrible things that happened throughout human History out of...respect? History is nasty, ugly, mean and evil in...sugarcoating it won't make it go away. We must face the TRUTH of our human nature.
Chill people, they are just putting a disclaimer on there. Not editing it. Remember, no one was streaming it before HBO Max for a reason, despite like John said, being the most successful movie of all time.
They never should have removed it in the first place, they are just bowing to silly public pressure(or more like one angry person with a loud voice) and showing how easily they cave in. What happens when other movies are deemed not acceptable for today’s PC climate? Will they be removed too only to be put back with a disclaimer telling us the “correct” way to think about and interpret the movie.?
It's a good move as long as they create a piece to explain the historical context. History is paramount to the discussion. The anecdote about the segregate Oscars is a good example : i am not sure a lot of people new about it.
Hello- another thought about history and how its been portrayed in movies. in the 1960 and 2004 films about the Alamo a bit of info is conveniently left out. though many factors were involved in the revolt the main reason the state of Texas wanted to secede from Mexico is they wanted to be a slave state and Mexico had abolished slavery some 10 year before.
Happy Birthday Hattie McDaniel. This was woman was not only a pioneer for all African-American performers but she showed way more dignity and class during those times than her own country showed her. Gone With The Wind was almost 75 years after the end of the Civil War and yet Hattie McDaniel was not allowed to attend the premiere of the movie in Atlanta because the theater didn't allow Black people to enter. Clark Gable threatened to not attend if McDaniel wasn't allowed to but she insisted he go, showing great class in the face of racism. The Oscars were forced to let her in but in the end treated her like a second class citizen not allowing her to sit with her White colleagues. I'm sure most of the outrage today will be reserved for the "Woke" agenda getting this movie temporarily pulled with none being left over why it is and the long history behind its story. Well I have none left for that petty shit. I don't care about Gone With The Wind, never did never will. What actually happened in the 40s and the time of the Civil War that they were depicting is far more important
Let us not forget history or we will be doomed to repeat it. HBO: Well, we can forget about history temporarily. Get to the back of the bus Gone With The Wind!
Renaming streets taking down statues banning books. Removing art. Censorship never helps through history ALWAYS makes things worse. Just because you don’t like the past doesn’t mean it didn’t happen and we should face it and learn and grow from it. This increasing re writing of history is just getting worse and worse because of people getting offended. Needs to stop
Not sure why so many of the comments below respond with relief that they "have it on Blu-Ray". *One* streaming service removed it *temporarily* . That's all. They are planning to release online again with a notification. No-one is taking your rights. This is not 1984, and this isn't a First Amendment issue.
People are acting as if they planned to see it last night or they’ve waiting their whole lives to see it. Stop it. Having a disclaimer isn’t going to hurt anyone!
Actually, this really sounds more like reverse psychology. I mean let's be honest how many people were talking about or honestly thinking about watching Gone With The Wind before this hit the headline. The odds are HBO's public removal drew exponentially more attention to the title. I mean at a point today I wanted to revisit this movie which I have on bluray just collecting dust to see what is so offensive. I mean it was supposed to be offensive.
Gone with the Wind needs no explanation. The book understood itself when it was written. The character of Ashley Wilkes is the discussion, the contradiction, the inner and outer struggles of slavery.
They will probably offer it along with the DC movies being pulled on yet another new HBO Infinity + streamimg service at the low price point of $19.99. I would say pull it for good or keep it with messaging explaining the content prior to the start of the film
The movie takes place during the Civil War, it depicts the time as accurate as possible as a film from the 1940's can. This is ridiculous, we can not hide or shy away from things in our past. This is a massive slippery slope. But I will say, the Looney Tunes decision is more BONE-HEADED than this. Either way I don't think it's a good idea at all.
John I keep hearing you say you have no way to watch HBO Max? but I thought you had a PlayStation 4 and that app is on that so you can stream it from there!?!
It’s amazing just how many people are upset that they’re taking down ‘Gone Eith the Wind’ now that they realize how racist it is. Y’all are pathetic. BE OPEN TO CHANGE.
I don't really mind this. I also don't really see the need for it. Do people really need to be spoonfed this? It should be obvious to everyone. On top of that: How hard would it be to insert a black screen with some warning text/disclaimer? Do they really need to remove it to do that and make a big thing out of it?
I think its temporary removal has caused more damage and division. The sentiment is correct but it should have been handled in more low key way and maybe just adding something at the beginning without temporary removal. The amount of negativity flowing around as a result is prolonging and creating more darkness. What a year 2020 has turned out to be.
This film part Hollywood history and should not be banned. This film help an African American actress get her to get the first Oscar. I just feel this film and remove the statues do not solve the bigger issues. This film along other like being targeted by those who just too far left. I agree buy this movie on physical media.
You people aren’t even listening to the video - THEY’RE NOT REMOVING it, they’re attaching a ‘much-needed’ disclaimer & discussion about its racist connotations to it. Laughable
Well goodbye 👋 HBO certainly won’t miss you hahaha. And it’s cute that you think ‘this shit’ will be over in a year. BlackLivesMatter is the start of a movement..... and it ain’t stopping anytime soon son
Having a disclaimer is giving into the "I'm not educated" culture soaring in the world now. For people who know ANYTHING about history would know the movie is a product of its own time and not be bothered by it, because it does not depict what is now, but what was then. Altering the movie would be denying history, having a disclaimer is assuming the viewers don't know history.
The movie isn't simply depicting what was then, it is depicting a 30s Hollywood version of what was then. That is a bit more complex to digest, especially if the audience is not so well educated. Sad truth is, many people don't know history that well, and they're never gonna know if no-one is teaching them, so why not let the movie be educational by adding a discussion?
Great discussion! As a 50-something black woman who loved GWTW since my teens, I actually think this a great move by HBOMAX. Bring the film back (intact) with a great discussion piece featuring prominent racial justice leaders, artists, writers, thinkers,etc.
It makes me sad that people are so uneducated that AT&T/WB feels the need to remove the movie and produce a documentary/disclaimer about the movie. Seriously what are they teaching in schools?
This action is absolutely ridiculous and unnecessary. No child is going to choose to watch this movie; Therefore there is no need for such a disclaimer. Anyone with two brain cells knows that a movie made decades ago is not going to reflect the current culture. Just more dumbing down of the human race.
@@kpcntry I think it's the other way round. The human race as a whole is already dumbed down severely (due to poor education, rampant anti-intellectualism and science denial), so disclaimers like this become a necessity...
@@GeeVanderplas Although I am a pessimist by nature, I cannot fully accept your statement. The de-evolution of humans can be reversed if we stop rewarding idiocy.
Sure, Gone with the Wind has a lot of outdated themes in the film and can be offensive to people, but it is still an important film in cinematic history. It’s perfectly fine if they added a disclaimer to understand the past and an important reminder to our bad experiences in United States history.
The only thing wrong is that they have´t done this disclaimer video before. And the statement sadly sounds like - "When the issue of rasism is´t as hot" it will always be hot. But I most ask is this really the only movie they did this with? There gotta be more old movies they got on HBO or are they only highly praised movies allowed if they are made before the 60´s?
This movie is not racist it just shows a time period that many other movies show too BUT it shows another side of that period. It shows a servant (slave) having a sort of friendship and even a maternal love for her master's daughter (and it's not even the core story of the movie at all). The movie does not tell that slavery is okay (most characters in this movie DO believe it's okay though... sure...and it ends bad for them anyway.) it shows what happens between human beings that are close. Very often in the movie the audience understand that Mammy is the voice of reason and Scarlett is just a spoiled brat that have things to learn. There is absolutely no negative message in GWTW that I can remember. There's just an awful context. If anything this movie made more for black people in Hollywood than anything else. This makes HBO executives look stupids and ignorants about what is cinema.
I would not have taken the movie down even temporarily. This is a depiction of life back then. Let's not pretend it didn't happen. Only when acknowledging that these events took place then you can have real dialogue about change. Let's not whitewash history
Don’t get why they are removing it, if people don’t want to watch the movie they won’t watch, it’s just there, overall personally I won’t end up watching it.
When the movie was released we were living under Jim Crow laws in the south, segregation was upheld, racism was pronounced in sports and everyday life, hello! So yes I agree that it needs to be pulled and brought back with explanation especially for the younger generation
I do have a issue with this. I don't think that a stream platform is responsible for the content of a film based on the historical events that occurred in the past. Of course that raisism is bad, but everybody can come to that same conclusion by them selfs. You can put those typicall warnings about violence or sensitive content, that's fine by me. But I don't like that a company feels entitled to say the audience the way they should think. They are making a big issue about something that is not. Why, nearly 80 years after, is necessary to do this?
If I remember correctly, it was Clark Gable who told both the Academy and the venue that he wouldn't attend, if Hattie were not given the same considerations as the other actors.
If that is true then that is dope on his part. Given that period and how big name he was as an actor.
But she wasn’t given the same consideration. As I understand it from multiple sources, Clark Gable wasn’t there as he knew in advance that he was not his category’s winner. The truth may be speculative. More importantly the indignity of Ms McDaniel (the Oscar winner) sitting away from the Gone with the Wind leads at a small table near the back wall and not being in any group pictures with the other winners is usually ignored. Black people complained back then. So please show the movie unedited (and other ugly reminders so we strive to do better) Remember the hypocrisy: the Oscar ceremony and its venue in 20th century California promoted the same dehumanizing values that were portrayed in the Gone With The Wind story.
The Mob now rules ....careful what you say John
You get a thumbs up for that! And maaaan your not lying!
They just cancelled cops. I have a bad feeling cop procedural shows will be cancelled. Including Law and Order and Lucifer to name a few.
Good thing I own this on blu Ray and it’s also in my top 5 ever incredible film
Looney Tunes did the disclaimer I remember John talking about that
Movies like this NEED to stay to remind america of it's dark history
@@paulgibbons1366 I never understood the lunacy in regards to the holocaust never taken place. The people who lived in that terrible time in history are still alive today.
EROCTHEEDITOR exactly. It’s the same as Germany’s Dark dark past.
Noooooooo..it needs to stay because it is the greatest movie of all-time!! First and foremost.!!
Gone With the Wind, despite being a product of its time, is a classic piece of cinema and one of the films that inspired me to start my own channel to discuss film and TV analysis!
@@krisj827 A terrible film, I always hated it. Birth of A Nation is a far superior, terrible, film in my opinion. I at least can respect the "art" of the racist filth.
Physical media is a must nowadays. Maybe it’s better to revisit past pieces of work than consume new things that no longer have any artistic integrity whatsoever.
Brilliantly Stated!!!!
Never seen the movie. But I'm tempted to buy it now physically for history's sake.
It's not been permanently removed.
Buy as Christmas gifts for your family as well.
@Crow Jackson i'll think about it, tomorrow
Not just for History's sake..it is probably the greatest movie of all-time..and rent it just to spite those blm 💩... hahaha
@@jianthonnierojas7436 Not the point........it's pandering to TERRORISTS........to remove it in the first place
Hello-
aside from the unrealistic view of the South before, during and after the Civil War Mammy was my favorite character in the film.
I don't think anyone wanted to get on her bad side. even Rhett Butler said the one person he never wanted to rub the wrong way
was Mammy.
There’s a neighborhood in my town where all of the individual streets are named after something from Gone With the Wind. This includes a Mammy Lane.
Yikes
Also a Bonnie Blue street. Which is a banner associated with the Confederacy.
Sounds like a great place to live....that's cool
@@MartialArtsFilmFreak so what's your point??
The most important part of this story for me is that they intend to bring it back. It is culturally important for us to understand how people viewed the world in the past, even when those views are biggoted. I can't tell if all these removals are knee jerk reactions by networks to preserve ratings or whether they are responding to genuine public pressure. Either way it needs to be done with careful consideration on a show by show basis, not a one size fits all policy.
Right. But you do know that Hollywood are masters at exaggerating and over dramatizing culture in any point of history, right? So any “cultural” movie that Hollywood puts out is hardly precision accurate. Hollywood loves to magnify the most controversial among us, at times to be unrealistic. So yeah, there was racism during the filming of “Gone With The Wind”, but we can’t sit here and claim it’s 100% accurate. As if “Gone With The Wind” is the basis for all of Southern history and race relations. I’m not really addressing you in this, because you most certainly know this. But the people who are calling for the removal of all our history in America, need this explanation.
I have gone with the wind on DVD . That why I still buy DVDs and Blu Ray .
Same. I still buy Physical media
Hear, hear! I can reach for my shelf without the need for connectivity nor bandwidth - period.
that is why most governments around the world pushed people to scrap cash payments... they want people to use credit cards and not cash and stream instead of a physical media to have total control over content and easy censorship when needed...
Thats why I own the Blu ray
Lucky for you!
At least I own the blu-ray
Lucky you!
I watched the film it’s was a interesting film to see how slave was treated, some people want to change their history sorry history will not be the same.
that doesn't mean you have to keep statues of racist assholes
Donna Cianciosi the same way it sanitized just about every aspect of life. Slavery was awful but even back then Filming slavery as it was in that time would have sickened those watching even more. Which it should have. Same with the way people are killed on screen. Completely different.... film has to tone down a lot to make it easier on mass audiences watching. Niche films are where you get closer to realism.
You didn't learn anything about how slaves we're treated from this film; don't be naive. And history is not taught by films. Finally, it's temporary, it will be back up soon anyway, so what's the problem?
@@donna25871 I don't think it sanatized it. It tells a story and shows human relationships in a particular context. We are used to see movies with rebellious slaves (black or white by the way) and it's great, but in real life I can also imagine that not every masters hated their slaves and not every slave hated their masters too. It's the context that was awful, the relationships between human beings are more complex than the overal context and I think cinema should show every sides of a story. The maternal love of Mammy for her master's daughter is touching in this movie, precisely because of the context and what she has to endure.
The first black American actress to be awarded by the academy and hbo takes it down. Who's really racist??
HBOMAX contributing to physical media sales... Good job⤵
The 1939 classic shot to the top of Amazon’s movies and TV bestseller list overnight and on Wednesday occupied the number 1 slot, the number 8 slot and the number 9 slot. It did so in different iterations: DVD, Blu-ray and the 70th Anniversary Edition.
I haven't seen it but now I'm probably going to pick up the dvd soon.
For all of you clearly not watching, they're not permanently removing it. They're simply taking it down temporarily so they can add a disclaimer at the beginning of it.
Why does nobody watch the video before commenting?
I mean what really needs to go into it? “This film may contain scenes of slavery glorification”, there you go.
The fact this was casually on there for like what a week or two (?) , then Floyd dies and sparks what it has, *then* something is terribly up.
Reeks.
@@les4767 Your attitude is a big part of the problem. Without activism women would not be allowed to vote and without activism parts of the US would still be segregated.
But every time people try to change the world through activism, activism is defined by some as ‘mob rule’.
Two of the highest rated US movies of all time are racist. It is time to address that. Not by removing those movies permanently, but my making a thoughtful introduction that explains the context in which those movies were made.
A simple disclaimer is pointless or perhaps even worse than no disclaimer at all.
Both movies specifically ‘show’ that giving black people rights, leads to a dangerous situation for white people.
If you fail to see how that message is still having an impact today...
That is not the point!!
They SHOULDN'T remove it even for a split second...!!
Nor should they have a disclaimer!! It's pandering to TERRORISTS.
Will they next have a disclaimer for "Schindler's List" because it shows Nazis and swastikas??
Or search through every movie for what they consider racist things and ban all those too!
Do you see the point how ridiculous it is?
Today is Hattie McDaniel’s birthday
How convenient is that?! XD
Mark Parkinson I think HBO is a bit racist
Long live RMB. Glad to see you back.
When I was a kid in the1960s, here in Britain, we had a tv show called “The Black and White Minstrel Show”. Which was a show in which loads of white guys blacked up, and sang old minstrel songs. When it was cancelled in the 70s, people were up in arms, because they said it was harmless fun, and folks were being too sensitive. You can see clips on TH-cam. All this happened in my lifetime, and I’m not really that old.
So, do you approve this need of an attachment for gone with the wind? Does it celebrate or glorify slavery in any way ? What is so dangerous or so wrong about it?
This has convinced me to start buying physical media again.
I wonder if 12 years a slave will be next..
This is the dumbest decision ever. It is a Movie from 1939. It History.. Django going to be removed as well?
Django is anti-slavery but to some people, any movie that uses the “n-word” is problematic
They're putting history in context. They're not permanently removing it they're putting the movie in context.
Django doesn't have any transgender representation. People get furious when they don't have people who are just like them in a movie.
What needs to be put into context? I’d like to think people watching it are well aware of what slavery is and especially was back then. If they don’t I’m sorry someone in their life has failed them up that point where they happen to be watching this of all things.
People don’t need babying with this.
@@g-roy23 you're underestimating the level of ignorance in America
Just put a disclaimer in front of it like old looney toons or Disney movies
That's what they are doing.
@inchulkman No that is about the new Looney Tunes on Max not the classics.
If HBO is taking the film off only to create an intelligent and thoughtful explanation is fine. Far better than editing the first black oscar performance. Better than censorship. Also it is best for people in the future to understand what the culture was at the time.
THE MOVIE WAS GONE WITH THE WIND
ass holic lolzzzz
1984: is it time yet? no not yet.
2020: is it time? yes, burn the books, tear down the statue's, rewrite the history books....
Frankly my dear (dubbed) I love you let’s get married..probably one of the best simpsons gags ever
The keyword here is "temporarily." Calm down.
.. you're missing the entire point.....IT SHOULD NO T BE BANNED EVEN FOR A SPLIT SECOND!!
It's pandering to TERRORISTS.
@@batmanforpresident9655 Ummmm... No one is banning it. Calm down. Besides, you can go to your local library, Best Buy, Walmart, or Target and still buy a copy of GONE WITH THE WIND yourself. It's readily available on iTunes and Amazon Prime Video. Like I said before, calm down.
I’d be a lot more angry if “Gone with the Wind” was permanently removed from HBO Max. Yes, the portrayal of slavery and the Civil War-era south is romanticized, but are we really going to erase cinematic history for that reason?
The main issue people have with the film is the stereotypical portrayal of blacks in general. Not slavery or the Civil War. If they don't modify the film or ban it then I'm fine with them adding additional information before or afterward.
Even if it were removed from HBO Max forever... so what? The film is still out there readily available to watch. Just because one service removes it from their library doesn't mean the film disappears forever.
@@blipmachine But why take it out in the first place? Why not just adding the disclaimer? I'll tell you why: less controversy, less publicity. HBO is like the kid in class who plays the buffoon to catch the attention of his/her peers.
RickDeckard '82 Because of the black lives matter protest and the conversation we are having at the moment. Maybe they just thought taking it down would be a bit more respectful in the meantime, while we address the current climate.
@@dylancarter6717 Then everytime shit hits the fan, platforms are just going to censor stuff that may be sensible out of...respect? Are we going to stop talking about the horrible things that happened throughout human History out of...respect? History is nasty, ugly, mean and evil in...sugarcoating it won't make it go away. We must face the TRUTH of our human nature.
Im guessing hundreds of thousands of people panicked and bought physical copies because I cannot find one anywhere online.
I had it saved in my watchlist only just found this out
That thing you read at the beginning is almost word for word what they put in front of the old Loony Tunes when they released them on DVD
It's all temporary until it isn't.
Chill people, they are just putting a disclaimer on there. Not editing it. Remember, no one was streaming it before HBO Max for a reason, despite like John said, being the most successful movie of all time.
There shouldn't even be a disclaimer
They never should have removed it in the first place, they are just bowing to silly public pressure(or more like one angry person with a loud voice) and showing how easily they cave in.
What happens when other movies are deemed not acceptable for today’s PC climate? Will they be removed too only to be put back with a disclaimer telling us the “correct” way to think about and interpret the movie.?
Every film with a dark past should have a discussion attatched to it.
It's a good move as long as they create a piece to explain the historical context. History is paramount to the discussion. The anecdote about the segregate Oscars is a good example : i am not sure a lot of people new about it.
Hello-
another thought about history and how its been portrayed in movies. in the 1960 and 2004 films about the Alamo a bit of info is conveniently left out. though many factors were involved in the revolt the main reason the state of Texas wanted to secede from
Mexico is they wanted to be a slave state and Mexico had abolished slavery some 10 year before.
Happy Birthday Hattie McDaniel. This was woman was not only a pioneer for all African-American performers but she showed way more dignity and class during those times than her own country showed her. Gone With The Wind was almost 75 years after the end of the Civil War and yet Hattie McDaniel was not allowed to attend the premiere of the movie in Atlanta because the theater didn't allow Black people to enter. Clark Gable threatened to not attend if McDaniel wasn't allowed to but she insisted he go, showing great class in the face of racism. The Oscars were forced to let her in but in the end treated her like a second class citizen not allowing her to sit with her White colleagues.
I'm sure most of the outrage today will be reserved for the "Woke" agenda getting this movie temporarily pulled with none being left over why it is and the long history behind its story. Well I have none left for that petty shit. I don't care about Gone With The Wind, never did never will. What actually happened in the 40s and the time of the Civil War that they were depicting is far more important
Jokes on HBO. I have the movie on DVD
Gone with the wind gets a trigger warning but we can watch a man get murdered on TH-cam.
I’m hearing that Disneyland ride splash mountain it’s going to be Retheme with princess frog I’m like really this ride is one biggest ride ever.
Let us not forget history or we will be doomed to repeat it. HBO: Well, we can forget about history temporarily. Get to the back of the bus Gone With The Wind!
Renaming streets taking down statues banning books. Removing art. Censorship never helps through history ALWAYS makes things worse. Just because you don’t like the past doesn’t mean it didn’t happen and we should face it and learn and grow from it. This increasing re writing of history is just getting worse and worse because of people getting offended. Needs to stop
The film 1984 hit it right on head, guess mob caught a dub on this one.
People should watch the video first before writing their comments geez... it's not getting permanently removed lmao.
It dosnt matter they’re still removing media and art solely based on current trends. And that’s wrong.
Was slavery glorified in any way in this particular picture? Is this film pro-slavery? No it is not!!! Have you even seen this film?
Reading your comment and seeing your profile pic already tells me what your are as an individual.
@@OHNO-k9l What does it all say?
Ahhhhh I miss you Rob
Not sure why so many of the comments below respond with relief that they "have it on Blu-Ray". *One* streaming service removed it *temporarily* . That's all. They are planning to release online again with a notification. No-one is taking your rights. This is not 1984, and this isn't a First Amendment issue.
So why take it off???I mean idk... To much political crap in the movies is killing the industry I think...
Only propaganda will be allowed. No art.
8 :00 DONT FORGET THEY WHERE DEMOCRATS NOT REPULICANS. REPULICANS WHERE THE UNION ARMY
They have to mention as well that marrying your cousin is also wrong✌✌🏿
People are acting as if they planned to see it last night or they’ve waiting their whole lives to see it.
Stop it. Having a disclaimer isn’t going to hurt anyone!
It's almost as if they took the film down and were never putting it back up again. Storm in a teacup
Has the book burning started yet?
Actually, this really sounds more like reverse psychology. I mean let's be honest how many people were talking about or honestly thinking about watching Gone With The Wind before this hit the headline. The odds are HBO's public removal drew exponentially more attention to the title. I mean at a point today I wanted to revisit this movie which I have on bluray just collecting dust to see what is so offensive. I mean it was supposed to be offensive.
Gone with the Wind needs no explanation. The book understood itself when it was written. The character of Ashley Wilkes is the discussion, the contradiction, the inner and outer struggles of slavery.
If you forget history you're doomed to repeat it. Jeez, it's so sad to have to repeat this.
They will probably offer it along with the DC movies being pulled on yet another new HBO Infinity + streamimg service at the low price point of $19.99.
I would say pull it for good or keep it with messaging explaining the content prior to the start of the film
Maybe not removing it at all, not even temporarily but just one day upload the disclaimer and make a small announcement about it
Stop making sense
The movie takes place during the Civil War, it depicts the time as accurate as possible as a film from the 1940's can. This is ridiculous, we can not hide or shy away from things in our past. This is a massive slippery slope. But I will say, the Looney Tunes decision is more BONE-HEADED than this. Either way I don't think it's a good idea at all.
John I keep hearing you say you have no way to watch HBO Max? but I thought you had a PlayStation 4 and that app is on that so you can stream it from there!?!
i dont think he really uses the ps4 often
Give it 80 years and films being made now will seem incredibly dated and maybe even hurtful
It's a movie about the Civil War. It happened long ago. Are we really going there? We can't turn back time by we can move forward.
What's next? Huck Finn? Tom Sawyer? Why take it down while they're making this disclaimer/discussion video?
Lilo and Stitch was edited. Why was it fine to hide in drying machine when it was made but not now?
It’s amazing just how many people are upset that they’re taking down ‘Gone Eith the Wind’ now that they realize how racist it is. Y’all are pathetic. BE OPEN TO CHANGE.
HBO: i had a dream....
Kono HBO niwa yume ga aru
I don't really mind this. I also don't really see the need for it. Do people really need to be spoonfed this? It should be obvious to everyone.
On top of that: How hard would it be to insert a black screen with some warning text/disclaimer? Do they really need to remove it to do that and make a big thing out of it?
Great video. Very well said both of you guys.
I think its temporary removal has caused more damage and division.
The sentiment is correct but it should have been handled in more low key way and maybe just adding something at the beginning without temporary removal.
The amount of negativity flowing around as a result is prolonging and creating more darkness.
What a year 2020 has turned out to be.
This film part Hollywood history and should not be banned. This film help an African American actress get her to get the first Oscar. I just feel this film and remove the statues do not solve the bigger issues. This film along other like being targeted by those who just too far left. I agree buy this movie on physical media.
You people aren’t even listening to the video - THEY’RE NOT REMOVING it, they’re attaching a ‘much-needed’ disclaimer & discussion about its racist connotations to it. Laughable
I just cancelled my subscription I’m through with HBO Max.......I try back in a year or 2 if they get their shit together
Well goodbye 👋 HBO certainly won’t miss you hahaha. And it’s cute that you think ‘this shit’ will be over in a year. BlackLivesMatter is the start of a movement..... and it ain’t stopping anytime soon son
Emmanuel Egu. Why are you talking about about BLM....that has shit to due do with anything lol
Should every historical movie also have a disclaimer in the beginning to not offense modern sensibility?
Its history. Leave it. It is what it is.
There are a couple of videos ( coldcrashpictures) analyzing Gone The Wind that was pretty interesting.
Having a disclaimer is giving into the "I'm not educated" culture soaring in the world now. For people who know ANYTHING about history would know the movie is a product of its own time and not be bothered by it, because it does not depict what is now, but what was then. Altering the movie would be denying history, having a disclaimer is assuming the viewers don't know history.
The movie isn't simply depicting what was then, it is depicting a 30s Hollywood version of what was then. That is a bit more complex to digest, especially if the audience is not so well educated. Sad truth is, many people don't know history that well, and they're never gonna know if no-one is teaching them, so why not let the movie be educational by adding a discussion?
Remove films then remove the streaming service. Buy physical media and get rid of hbo max , Netflix. Etc
Great discussion!
As a 50-something black woman who loved GWTW since my teens, I actually think this a great move by HBOMAX. Bring the film back (intact) with a great discussion piece featuring prominent racial justice leaders, artists, writers, thinkers,etc.
It makes me sad that people are so uneducated that AT&T/WB feels the need to remove the movie and produce a documentary/disclaimer about the movie.
Seriously what are they teaching in schools?
This action is absolutely ridiculous and unnecessary. No child is going to choose to watch this movie; Therefore there is no need for such a disclaimer. Anyone with two brain cells knows that a movie made decades ago is not going to reflect the current culture. Just more dumbing down of the human race.
@@kpcntry I think it's the other way round. The human race as a whole is already dumbed down severely (due to poor education, rampant anti-intellectualism and science denial), so disclaimers like this become a necessity...
@@GeeVanderplas Although I am a pessimist by nature, I cannot fully accept your statement. The de-evolution of humans can be reversed if we stop rewarding idiocy.
Sure, Gone with the Wind has a lot of outdated themes in the film and can be offensive to people, but it is still an important film in cinematic history. It’s perfectly fine if they added a disclaimer to understand the past and an important reminder to our bad experiences in United States history.
They will bring it back with additional material attached. I am ready to skip it.
The only thing wrong is that they have´t done this disclaimer video before. And the statement sadly sounds like - "When the issue of rasism is´t as hot" it will always be hot. But I most ask is this really the only movie they did this with? There gotta be more old movies they got on HBO or are they only highly praised movies allowed if they are made before the 60´s?
Yes it is
Gone with the wind is gone with the wind
Most people are not stupid, and don't need these disclaimers.
Will they remove world war 2 movies cause we don't want war these days, shows stuff we wouldn't do today.
Rob is back Poggers
This movie is not racist it just shows a time period that many other movies show too BUT it shows another side of that period. It shows a servant (slave) having a sort of friendship and even a maternal love for her master's daughter (and it's not even the core story of the movie at all). The movie does not tell that slavery is okay (most characters in this movie DO believe it's okay though... sure...and it ends bad for them anyway.) it shows what happens between human beings that are close. Very often in the movie the audience understand that Mammy is the voice of reason and Scarlett is just a spoiled brat that have things to learn. There is absolutely no negative message in GWTW that I can remember. There's just an awful context. If anything this movie made more for black people in Hollywood than anything else. This makes HBO executives look stupids and ignorants about what is cinema.
I would not have taken the movie down even temporarily. This is a depiction of life back then. Let's not pretend it didn't happen. Only when acknowledging that these events took place then you can have real dialogue about change. Let's not whitewash history
It bloody is not!
So they wanna put a trigger warning.
Guess I’ll just skip it
Then should Roots,the autobiography of miss Jane Pittman,twelve years a slave,Mississippi Burning be banned as well?
Don’t get why they are removing it, if people don’t want to watch the movie they won’t watch, it’s just there, overall personally I won’t end up watching it.
They removing it for the same reason you don't see porn on daytime TV
It’s going to return to HBO Max, with a separate discussion.
Unlike disney who wants to forget the past
I hate gone with the wind but respect the technical filmmaking.
When the movie was released we were living under Jim Crow laws in the south, segregation was upheld, racism was pronounced in sports and everyday life, hello! So yes I agree that it needs to be pulled and brought back with explanation especially for the younger generation
Then why take it down in the first place? If they want to make sure it's not lost to history, why make it this issue?
I can respect that
Wonder how many other movies will be pulled due to what's happend
I do have a issue with this. I don't think that a stream platform is responsible for the content of a film based on the historical events that occurred in the past.
Of course that raisism is bad, but everybody can come to that same conclusion by them selfs. You can put those typicall warnings about violence or sensitive content, that's fine by me. But I don't like that a company feels entitled to say the audience the way they should think. They are making a big issue about something that is not. Why, nearly 80 years after, is necessary to do this?