Too much sympathy here guys. You should be focusing more on those in the UK that want her back and shine a light on them. All her known associates should be rigorously checked out.
Thedickiedooda sympathy is fine, but it must be tempered by an adherence to the law, risk evaluation and maintaining the the safety of every one else in the U.K. I agree that her strongest adherents should be looked into. If these isis brides were if not the people who did it groomed to join terrorists then these are likely aligned with those beliefs.
@@IRMentat I can't find any room for sympathy. As for the law, our government's priority should be to protect its people. If that means breaking international law then add us to the many countries that also break it. We as a nation do far more to protect and feed others than the vast mojority of our critics.
Sargon you've gone soft in the head. The terrors she must of seen. She was alright with that. She could have cared less about the enemies of Islam. She wants the NHS to take care of Jihad Junior and the state to take care of them both and when he is older, she can relate the good old days of the caliphate. Counting the heads found in trash bins. Sounds lovely.
She's had her British citizenship revoked but I fear this is a red herring. She will be allowed back one way or another, either on appeal or sneaked back in somehow
On the 5:00 a.m. news this morning in Canada I heard of the parole of a jailed ISIS fighter who has been in prison here for two years. He is deemed “not rehabilitated and likely to commit acts of terror in keeping with his wish to bring down the west”. He is being freed ahead of the end of his prison term. This very important news was announced once and not again over this entire day. So if you’re ranking dumb and dangerous acts committed by countries, I think Canada is vying for the number one position.
WTAF?!?! REALLY!?! NOT Surprised or anything. Wonder if there are any TH-cam videos on that? Gotta share that shit show around ! What news/radio station was this? Greetings and Respect from SW Ontario
Hopefully there's a handful of good men "letting the cat out of the bag" so they can #1 snap it's neck #2 use him to lure more of the same ..... Bad version of fishing but if it saves lives of innocent. Worse case he slips thru the system and does unthinkable when it could of been prevented.
@@chiffmonkey He's great, not just at public speaking but in debates/discussions. He can have perfectly civilised, amicable chats with people on the far right, far left and everyone in between. Open-minded and a huge asset to the party, IMHO.
The laws need changing then if we can’t stop her coming back. The thousands that went before her are all exploiting this stupid law. They would stop going if the law was changed because at the moment they know they are protected by it.
2:10 something I noticed is her mentioning having been on a 'battlefield'. Kind of sounds like she's been fighting against the free world for the last few years. Why is this even in debate
This woman didn't make 'terrible mistakes' she made 'conscious choices' which resulted in the death of three children. I wouldn't want her in my neighbourhood and I don't know anyone who does. She should stand trial, but in the country where she committed the offences, not in Britain.
"International law doesn't allow it". Who the fuck cares? "International law" isn't really a thing. The only thing that matters is British law in this case.
"those who left to fight for isis have hate for our country" well how many who live here have hate for your country?. how many muslims, asians and blacks who live here actually love britain as a country?.
I have an issue with the expression 'Born and raised in the UK. In my opinion, as much as it is the case that she was born and grew up in the UK, she was not raised here. By this I mean that within the home in which she lived she was raised to become that which she is now. An individual who adopts and lives according to a literal interruption of Islamic scripture. A perfect example of the failure of multiculturalism.
@@TheSpuggiehawkAnd conceivably if she is genuinely a VERY changed person it might be just to give her a path to return, after spending time in jail for treason. But generally they only want to come back because Daesh/ISIS failed. And y'know, fµck that, entirely.
@@cosmodeus1720 Treason _may_ be a capital offense, but the penalties in US history have often been less dramatic. The US Code, Title 18, prescribes death, or a prison sentence of 5 years to life. Source en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_laws_in_the_United_States . So maybe that's a potential answer: if they want to return, then they should be tried for treason in Federal Court, and if they are convicted then they will have to serve whatever sentence the court decides.
God I hope your country does not let her back in. We in the US have the same situation with a girl from Alabama. And! Her father is suing the government right now because Trump refuses to let her back in. But the west has changed and they will both probably be let back in to our countries.
I used to live in America but I lost everything and came back to Britain with nothing, not even a pair of socks or waterproof shoes, I came back to snow in sandals. and I was told I was no longer British and I wasn't American so I was homeless for four years , starving and unable to get any benefits or help because I was no longer considered british. I didn't join any terror group yet I was stateless for four years, In practice there's no issue with leaving someone stateless.
She probably WAS weak. But you reap what you sow.... It's not as if there was not plenty of information to prove how dangerous these countries and radical Islam is..... Tough shit, DENIED ENTRY.
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British people who went to fight for the communists in the Spanish Civil War were allowed back in without any difficulty, as far as I am aware. However, the people who joined the Britisches Freikorps were imprisoned and interrogated.
To finish my previous point, joining ISIS is on a par with joining the Freikorps and the minimum that returning jihadis should get is interrogation and imprisonment.
The MSM are saying that another 12 "British Jihadi Brides" have turned up at the refugee camp after this case was announced. From the picture of the women, they are all ages. Apparently, her Dutch husband is still in Syria and in a recent interview she is considering the possibility of going to Holland. The British government has said that the grandparents can go and get the baby and bring it back to England, although she cannot return to the UK. Some aspects of this case doesn't make sense. Some say that she travelled on her sister's passport, however, in an old interview her sister said that they knew that she had gone when her passport was gone. So who is telling the truth? Her friends dad was also at a rally with an Islamic cleric that was finally deported, I find it hard to believe that the girls dads didn't know each other or what was happening. Her sister said that the police knew about it and so did the school prior to her leaving for Syria via Turkey. Yet nothing was done to de-radicalise her and stop her leaving? What about border control, why didn't they stop her leaving the country? I was reading a report last night on the Europeans that were radicalised, and they found that most of the "Jihadi brides" went for a relationship!!!!
Ever considered that the Kurds who run the refugee camp don't want to keep refugees like Shamima forever, either? If the Kaliphat she chose to make her home still existed, you might have had a point. But it isn't, it never was a recognized state, and the aim is to destroy it completely. So where should she go, and why should the Kurds put up with it, who have more than enough problems of their own.
I think we should make a reality TV show out of her return. We can see her taking off her hijab and denouncing her former life. We can use that as anti-Islamist propaganda. What's not to like?
I totally agree in principle, however i feel this is a dangerous power for a government to possess. I fear that similar powers may be used by a Corbyn government to block someone from Tommy from returning should he carry out a speech or interview abroad. I'd rather courts and transparent legal system have this power than individuals using discretion.
If you think I'm joking about my previous comment, you can read (Qur’an 33:21) where it says that Muhammad is an excellent model of conduct for Muslims to follow.
At: 8:26 the guy to the left showed, what I would consider a total lack of understanding of the situation: He said, that Trump decision to pull out the troops aided to calm down the situation and brought peace. For peace Isis had to be defeated. This was mainly done by the Kurdish fighters. The US troops didnt helped them much on the ground, where the Kurds had to do the risky job for them. The US troops were to view, to anxious and apart from the air strikes, their presence had only symbolic meaning. Trumps decision betrayed this allies of the US after they had fullfilled their duty: because it made it more likely for the turkish troops to invade and attack the Kurdish. Which would have let to more fighting and a new phase of the war. So actually Trump nearly started another escalation. And even for no reason: since they never fought, the US ground troops havent been in danger at all. And the financial costs of the more symbolic detachment have been marginal. I am more or less against all involvments in foreign wars: to expansive, to much loss on human lives on all sides, no certain outcome, to long etc. This was the only involvement I was supporting: cheap, no loss on human lives, the purpose: the division of the two conflict parties, the Kurds and the Turkish, achieved, with an option to safely pull out in case the situation would get more dangerous....
Disappointed with Sargon here. Doesn't seem like a principled approach. How would people like it if a Syrian insurgent came here and then refused to take them back? She's our problem.
I agree, I dont want her in the UK. I also agree that the argument that she was a child when she left and she was abused in a way has legs but the fact that she hasn't shown any remorse about it and her rhetoric seems to be very much that she wants to come back because the caliphate failed, not because she genuinely regrets what she's done. Have you looked into the story of "Jihadi Jack"? That lads reasons for travelling out there do seem fairly innocent, albeit very naive by his own admittance, and the realisation dawned on him very quickly that it was wrong and that he had basically been groomed and lied to seems to be pretty genuine to me along with the lack of any evidence that he was an active fighter or took part in any killings etc. I think the government has missed a trick there as he seems to be a prime candidate for deradicalisation and could be a strong voice to deter people from doing the same in future. **Disclaimer: I am a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan and have a couple of friends who did travel out to Iraq and volunteer for the Kurdish forces in the fight against Isis, I seriously thought about going myself. I am in no way a "terrorist sympathiser" as I have been called in the past for voicing such views.**
Plus don't forget that she is no more a "victim" than any other person in her current country. The ONLY thing that sets her apart from the many other people who would deserve refuge status over her is that she was in a Western country and chose to join a terrorist organization. It isn't that I cannot see good arguments for why she should be allowed back, but in terms of being particularly sympathetic she is lacking.
Why this girl to be made an example? Why take this particular girl's citizenship from her? Why not take the citizenship away from the many Isis fighters who are men who have returned to Britain? Many of those Isis fighters also have duel citizenship and are allowed back into the country? And his girl is an easy target to virtue signal about how tough the government is on Isis fighters from this country. When this government are letting Isis fighters off the hook all the time.
This morning they are saying that we the tax payers have to foot her legal bill as she has been granted legal aid.The bill could run into 10,000s of thousands or more pounds,but there again are they just saying this to avert people away from the fact that there is a possible court case that the PM acted unlawfully in obtaining the leave date extension, as this was reported on MSM..
This haunts me. Think of the Rotherham girls and all of them that you don't know about. Islam must be stopped : th-cam.com/video/1Rc63uZKrqg/w-d-xo.html
I propose "splitting the baby" in a way. The children of western ISIS fighters are due citizenship rights from their parents but the parents are guilty of providing material support to terrorists. Both the parents and the children should have their citizenship honored and be let back in, but the parents should be immediately detained and charged, while the kids should be taken by social services and adopted to suitable families. Basically, these parents will have the ability to sacrifice their freedom, likely for decades, for their kids to be given a chance at a normal life--that is pretty much the extent I am willing to go for them.
I am very surprised by Carls answer here. Genuinely thought hed be on the side of the public on this one. If she was still under 18 id probably say she was groomed but the fact that she openly states she loves it and misses it just shows that she does not belong in this country and we would be a much better and safer country without her in it
I think every person deserves a chance to admit their mistakes and be forgiven. But in this case that is clearly not what is happening and i hope she isn't allowed back.
the fact that this happened in east london should be the question of what is happening within east london and indeed the rest of the country that would cause a british citizen to go to syria to fight against their own country and expect sympathy whilst having no remorse on the terror attacks that have happened within their own country itself thinking of it as a eye for an eye. cant see her having any sympathy for the families who lost their lives or friends lives in the aria grande and other terror attacks so why have sympathy for her here really. considering the news that she is dual being Bangladesh as well and has had the citizen of British revoked the USA should ask the Bangladesh government about the situation with her and then ask if they would want her in Guantanamo bay instead of back in Bangladesh. the fact they debated on her citizenship makes me question have they spoken to the family and checked what they have done in the past its as Ben Shapiro said "if i saw baby Hitler and could save him i'd save him because he is not Hitler" people become more corrupt due to the situations they are put through and is there something the family has done to help promote her join a worldwide criminal organisation. this clearly goes further than just herself I wonder if the media has not said the name of the baby either out of the idea of the name may not suit British citizens names if it has the citizenship.
The media has mentioned the name of the baby. He was named after some Iron-age jihadi cunt: www.thesun.co.uk/news/8450050/shamima-begum-isis-named-baby-jarrah-husband/
11:44 - The UK wouldn't be leaving her "stateless" by revoking her UK citizenship. She has a state, and it's the one she's chosen. She remains a citizen of the islamic state.
I was told that the reason why she was kicked out was becuase she had a Duel Citizenship, Both Sky, BBC and ITV said she had a duel citizenship when they dug her name out of the citizen archives.
Hey Benjamin Bear - your pal in "reformer" ideology, Maajid Nawaz has come out and said she should be returned. What say you? Still not a stealth jihadi?
If you can legally keep her out keep her out even if she was 15. We in USA seem obligated to let them in, even if they end up at Quantonimo. We have one that may go to the Supreme Court on citzenship.
Video thumbnails need to be different in each video or they'll be missed as already watched. Try not to have similar thumbnails, people have hundreds if not thousands of subscriptions making them easy to skip over and think you've watched it already. I'd bet views are down for this reason.
Amazing how much rejection of this young woman exists. She was a child and she did not have the prefontal cotex growth to even to begin to understand what she was doing. Why are we so quick to punish and condemn. She should be allowed to come back but should have to sign a contract that she gives up Islam and will sign up for re-education courses to become a real responsible citizen. I look back to when I was 15 and fully indoctrinated as a fundamentalist evangelical Christian and was willing to suffer martyrdom if it was necessary. LOL. Relax guys she has a rough life ahead regardless of her second and third thoughts. She could become a real advocate against Islam if she is treated as a human being ...as a child...with a child. Jeez.
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It's called treason, and it's not something that's forgiven.
No, but it is something that she should be tried and convicted for.
@Red Pilled Fox Need to resurrect the gallows at Pentonville to execute traitors.
Too much sympathy here guys. You should be focusing more on those in the UK that want her back and shine a light on them. All her known associates should be rigorously checked out.
Thedickiedooda sympathy is fine, but it must be tempered by an adherence to the law, risk evaluation and maintaining the the safety of every one else in the U.K.
I agree that her strongest adherents should be looked into.
If these isis brides were if not the people who did it groomed to join terrorists then these are likely aligned with those beliefs.
@@IRMentat I can't find any room for sympathy. As for the law, our government's priority should be to protect its people. If that means breaking international law then add us to the many countries that also break it. We as a nation do far more to protect and feed others than the vast mojority of our critics.
Rigorously deported.
Sargon you've gone soft in the head. The terrors she must of seen. She was alright with that. She could have cared less about the enemies of Islam. She wants the NHS to take care of Jihad Junior and the state to take care of them both and when he is older, she can relate the good old days of the caliphate. Counting the heads found in trash bins. Sounds lovely.
I don't know why but i just thought of what's his name count what ever from sesame street ,, 1 head ha ha , 2 heads ha ha, 3 heads ha ha
She's had her British citizenship revoked but I fear this is a red herring. She will be allowed back one way or another, either on appeal or sneaked back in somehow
All the more reason to open borders, easier to keep an eye on legal immagrints
@@sebastianplaum4667 what?
On the 5:00 a.m. news this morning in Canada I heard of the parole of a jailed ISIS fighter who has been in prison here for two years. He is deemed “not rehabilitated and likely to commit acts of terror in keeping with his wish to bring down the west”. He is being freed ahead of the end of his prison term. This very important news was announced once and not again over this entire day. So if you’re ranking dumb and dangerous acts committed by countries, I think Canada is vying for the number one position.
Hey at least you jail your ISIS-tourists, here in Sweden we'd rather not talk about it at all; some of the ISIS-tourists have already returned.
woodwyrm Swedish Government has its head in the sand while Trudeau has his up his own ass.
WTAF?!?!
REALLY!?!
NOT Surprised or anything.
Wonder if there are any TH-cam videos on that?
Gotta share that shit show around !
What news/radio station was this?
Greetings and Respect from SW Ontario
Hopefully there's a handful of good men "letting the cat out of the bag" so they can #1 snap it's neck #2 use him to lure more of the same ..... Bad version of fishing but if it saves lives of innocent. Worse case he slips thru the system and does unthinkable when it could of been prevented.
Sarah Lunafire It was on CBC radio. No wonder they buried it.
Greetings back at you from Manitoba.
An interview with Count Dankula next, please!
I'm really impressed with just how good a public speaker Dank is.
@@chiffmonkey He's great, not just at public speaking but in debates/discussions. He can have perfectly civilised, amicable chats with people on the far right, far left and everyone in between. Open-minded and a huge asset to the party, IMHO.
Dank should run as an MP if there was live debates
He would wipe the floor with half of the MP's in parliament
The laws need changing then if we can’t stop her coming back. The thousands that went before her are all exploiting this stupid law. They would stop going if the law was changed because at the moment they know they are protected by it.
2:10 something I noticed is her mentioning having been on a 'battlefield'.
Kind of sounds like she's been fighting against the free world for the last few years. Why is this even in debate
Solid evidence you have there
Just wants to live a quiet life now? How’s anybody supposed to do that with a terrorist living in their area?
Just forget she exists.
Beautiful England our England. No Terrorists need apply...
This woman didn't make 'terrible mistakes' she made 'conscious choices' which resulted in the death of three children. I wouldn't want her in my neighbourhood and I don't know anyone who does. She should stand trial, but in the country where she committed the offences, not in Britain.
"International law doesn't allow it". Who the fuck cares? "International law" isn't really a thing. The only thing that matters is British law in this case.
"those who left to fight for isis have hate for our country" well how many who live here have hate for your country?. how many muslims, asians and blacks who live here actually love britain as a country?.
I have an issue with the expression 'Born and raised in the UK. In my opinion, as much as it is the case that she was born and grew up in the UK, she was not raised here. By this I mean that within the home in which she lived she was raised to become that which she is now. An individual who adopts and lives according to a literal interruption of Islamic scripture. A perfect example of the failure of multiculturalism.
Difficult lol, no it isn't.
Don’t let her back. .the severed head comment tells you everything.
Why is this even a question: Do we have to let these people back in the country? That's nuts. But I'm American, so on you go, Britain.
Dan D it's happening in Canada Australia Mexico now so you won't have all that long to wait
Alabama mother begs to return to U.S., says moving to Syria and marrying ISIS fighters was "a big mistake." twitter.com/ABC/status/1097694022838177792
@@TheSpuggiehawkAnd conceivably if she is genuinely a VERY changed person it might be just to give her a path to return, after spending time in jail for treason. But generally they only want to come back because Daesh/ISIS failed. And y'know, fµck that, entirely.
@@ChollieD Jail for treason? Treason is a capital offense.
@@cosmodeus1720 Treason _may_ be a capital offense, but the penalties in US history have often been less dramatic. The US Code, Title 18, prescribes death, or a prison sentence of 5 years to life. Source en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_laws_in_the_United_States . So maybe that's a potential answer: if they want to return, then they should be tried for treason in Federal Court, and if they are convicted then they will have to serve whatever sentence the court decides.
As many of these as possible please, I really like seeing sargon in this high class scene being treated as a proper expert.
It's hilarious
I fucking love UKIP lads
Please teach Sargon how to get perfect audio recordings.
Kris Hicks looks like the presenter on the Jazz Club sketch on the Fast Show......”niccccce” 😛😛😛😛
ISIS brides coming back? Hmmm...
In the immortal words of Karl Pilkington: Do we need em?
God I hope your country does not let her back in. We in the US have the same situation with a girl from Alabama. And! Her father is suing the government right now because Trump refuses to let her back in. But the west has changed and they will both probably be let back in to our countries.
I used to live in America but I lost everything and came back to Britain with nothing, not even a pair of socks or waterproof shoes, I came back to snow in sandals. and I was told I was no longer British and I wasn't American so I was homeless for four years , starving and unable to get any benefits or help because I was no longer considered british. I didn't join any terror group yet I was stateless for four years, In practice there's no issue with leaving someone stateless.
She probably WAS weak. But you reap what you sow....
It's not as if there was not plenty of information to prove how dangerous these countries and radical Islam is.....
Tough shit, DENIED ENTRY.
I've lived in Sacramento, California my entire life, I've never been to the UK, or even Europe, for that matter, but i will happily subscribe to UKIP's channel and support you guys in any way i can, however small it may be(:
Keep fighting the good fight, over there ❤
You guys need to, now, more than ever!
British people who went to fight for the communists in the Spanish Civil War were allowed back in without any difficulty, as far as I am aware. However, the people who joined the Britisches Freikorps were imprisoned and interrogated.
To finish my previous point, joining ISIS is on a par with joining the Freikorps and the minimum that returning jihadis should get is interrogation and imprisonment.
She need not worry, Trudeau will bring her into Canada and give her more then she can think of asking for.
Not really that difficult, she's a traitor, fuggem.
The MSM are saying that another 12 "British Jihadi Brides" have turned up at the refugee camp after this case was announced. From the picture of the women, they are all ages. Apparently, her Dutch husband is still in Syria and in a recent interview she is considering the possibility of going to Holland. The British government has said that the grandparents can go and get the baby and bring it back to England, although she cannot return to the UK. Some aspects of this case doesn't make sense. Some say that she travelled on her sister's passport, however, in an old interview her sister said that they knew that she had gone when her passport was gone. So who is telling the truth? Her friends dad was also at a rally with an Islamic cleric that was finally deported, I find it hard to believe that the girls dads didn't know each other or what was happening. Her sister said that the police knew about it and so did the school prior to her leaving for Syria via Turkey. Yet nothing was done to de-radicalise her and stop her leaving? What about border control, why didn't they stop her leaving the country? I was reading a report last night on the Europeans that were radicalised, and they found that most of the "Jihadi brides" went for a relationship!!!!
Would she want to come back if they'd won? No.
I’m an American, my family immigrated from Britain in early 1700s.
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This girls deserves anything that she wishes upon Kufr happening to her. Do unto others as you wish them doing unto you.
"Mistake" impies she did it by accident she did it knowing well what she was doing and admitted it. She deserves nothing but a swift execution.
Baby does too right? ;)
@@jackjones7062 wait till child is born execute mother state care for child
Ever considered that the Kurds who run the refugee camp don't want to keep refugees like Shamima forever, either? If the Kaliphat she chose to make her home still existed, you might have had a point. But it isn't, it never was a recognized state, and the aim is to destroy it completely. So where should she go, and why should the Kurds put up with it, who have more than enough problems of their own.
I think we should make a reality TV show out of her return. We can see her taking off her hijab and denouncing her former life. We can use that as anti-Islamist propaganda. What's not to like?
In case any of you missed it...she WAS 15 and IS a british citizen.
Doesn’t matter what you care about. In the UK there are laws...
I totally agree in principle, however i feel this is a dangerous power for a government to possess. I fear that similar powers may be used by a Corbyn government to block someone from Tommy from returning should he carry out a speech or interview abroad. I'd rather courts and transparent legal system have this power than individuals using discretion.
Throw her in prison for treason for life.
Pffft...... let the Islamic "Ummah" look after her! Any Islamic country from Egypt to Indonesia could take her in!
If you think I'm joking about my previous comment, you can read (Qur’an 33:21) where it says that Muhammad is an excellent model of conduct for Muslims to follow.
sorry the eu is absolutely not comparable to is - what a joke of a party! ur facinated by her world view?! really?! I'm facinated by ur world view...
At: 8:26 the guy to the left showed, what I would consider a total lack of understanding of the situation: He said, that Trump decision to pull out the troops aided to calm down the situation and brought peace.
For peace Isis had to be defeated. This was mainly done by the Kurdish fighters. The US troops didnt helped them much on the ground, where the Kurds had to do the risky job for them. The US troops were to view, to anxious and apart from the air strikes, their presence had only symbolic meaning. Trumps decision betrayed this allies of the US after they had fullfilled their duty: because it made it more likely for the turkish troops to invade and attack the Kurdish. Which would have let to more fighting and a new phase of the war. So actually Trump nearly started another escalation. And even for no reason: since they never fought, the US ground troops havent been in danger at all. And the financial costs of the more symbolic detachment have been marginal.
I am more or less against all involvments in foreign wars: to expansive, to much loss on human lives on all sides, no certain outcome, to long etc. This was the only involvement I was supporting: cheap, no loss on human lives, the purpose: the division of the two conflict parties, the Kurds and the Turkish, achieved, with an option to safely pull out in case the situation would get more dangerous....
I like these progressive comments, and UKIP claimed not to be islamaphobic when Farage left and said they were... Comments seem to indicate otherwise
Disappointed with Sargon here. Doesn't seem like a principled approach. How would people like it if a Syrian insurgent came here and then refused to take them back? She's our problem.
I agree, I dont want her in the UK. I also agree that the argument that she was a child when she left and she was abused in a way has legs but the fact that she hasn't shown any remorse about it and her rhetoric seems to be very much that she wants to come back because the caliphate failed, not because she genuinely regrets what she's done.
Have you looked into the story of "Jihadi Jack"? That lads reasons for travelling out there do seem fairly innocent, albeit very naive by his own admittance, and the realisation dawned on him very quickly that it was wrong and that he had basically been groomed and lied to seems to be pretty genuine to me along with the lack of any evidence that he was an active fighter or took part in any killings etc. I think the government has missed a trick there as he seems to be a prime candidate for deradicalisation and could be a strong voice to deter people from doing the same in future.
**Disclaimer: I am a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan and have a couple of friends who did travel out to Iraq and volunteer for the Kurdish forces in the fight against Isis, I seriously thought about going myself. I am in no way a "terrorist sympathiser" as I have been called in the past for voicing such views.**
Plus don't forget that she is no more a "victim" than any other person in her current country. The ONLY thing that sets her apart from the many other people who would deserve refuge status over her is that she was in a Western country and chose to join a terrorist organization. It isn't that I cannot see good arguments for why she should be allowed back, but in terms of being particularly sympathetic she is lacking.
Why this girl to be made an example? Why take this particular girl's citizenship from her? Why not take the citizenship away from the many Isis fighters who are men who have returned to Britain? Many of those Isis fighters also have duel citizenship and are allowed back into the country? And his girl is an easy target to virtue signal about how tough the government is on Isis fighters from this country. When this government are letting Isis fighters off the hook all the time.
This morning they are saying that we the tax payers have to foot her legal bill as she has been granted legal aid.The bill could run into 10,000s of thousands or more pounds,but there again are they just saying this to avert people away from the fact that there is a possible court case that the PM acted unlawfully in obtaining the leave date extension, as this was reported on MSM..
This haunts me. Think of the Rotherham girls and all of them that you don't know about. Islam must be stopped : th-cam.com/video/1Rc63uZKrqg/w-d-xo.html
How does a healthy plump mother have a child die of malnutrition?? Unless it was a complication of illness...
Aren't there plenty of islamic countries in the region that would be glad to have her? Why in God's name would she want to come back to Britain?
Netherlands says FUCK NO SHE CAN STAY IN THE MIDDLE EAST
I propose "splitting the baby" in a way. The children of western ISIS fighters are due citizenship rights from their parents but the parents are guilty of providing material support to terrorists. Both the parents and the children should have their citizenship honored and be let back in, but the parents should be immediately detained and charged, while the kids should be taken by social services and adopted to suitable families. Basically, these parents will have the ability to sacrifice their freedom, likely for decades, for their kids to be given a chance at a normal life--that is pretty much the extent I am willing to go for them.
I am very surprised by Carls answer here. Genuinely thought hed be on the side of the public on this one. If she was still under 18 id probably say she was groomed but the fact that she openly states she loves it and misses it just shows that she does not belong in this country and we would be a much better and safer country without her in it
It's easy for the U.S. to decide on Hoda Muthana because in the U.S. the penalty for treason is death.
I think every person deserves a chance to admit their mistakes and be forgiven. But in this case that is clearly not what is happening and i hope she isn't allowed back.
There are many displaced women and children of Syria who are far more deserving of our care and compassion. Let’s help them instead.....
the fact that this happened in east london should be the question of what is happening within east london and indeed the rest of the country that would cause a british citizen to go to syria to fight against their own country and expect sympathy whilst having no remorse on the terror attacks that have happened within their own country itself thinking of it as a eye for an eye.
cant see her having any sympathy for the families who lost their lives or friends lives in the aria grande and other terror attacks so why have sympathy for her here really.
considering the news that she is dual being Bangladesh as well and has had the citizen of British revoked the USA should ask the Bangladesh government about the situation with her and then ask if they would want her in Guantanamo bay instead of back in Bangladesh.
the fact they debated on her citizenship makes me question have they spoken to the family and checked what they have done in the past its as Ben Shapiro said "if i saw baby Hitler and could save him i'd save him because he is not Hitler" people become more corrupt due to the situations they are put through and is there something the family has done to help promote her join a worldwide criminal organisation. this clearly goes further than just herself
I wonder if the media has not said the name of the baby either out of the idea of the name may not suit British citizens names if it has the citizenship.
The media has mentioned the name of the baby. He was named after some Iron-age jihadi cunt:
www.thesun.co.uk/news/8450050/shamima-begum-isis-named-baby-jarrah-husband/
Took me four times to make one comment.. we're being lied to by by rich ppl taking oil money..
11:44 - The UK wouldn't be leaving her "stateless" by revoking her UK citizenship. She has a state, and it's the one she's chosen. She remains a citizen of the islamic state.
Murica: Be Gitmo'd Thot!
There are no warranties wth the people who flirted with terrorisms.
... Sounds like a *very* itchy rash ...
Why is Kris Hicks dressed as a Bond villain?
This is such a grown up conversation. You don't get this with other parties
You mean you agree with their views, you don't get that with other parties
Where have these two Henries come from?
9.58..lol..no.. she's far to old for mo
Used to be that traitors got executed.
Just mistakes? My foot!
I have a friend who knew her in primary school. She freaked out when she saw her on the news.
I was told that the reason why she was kicked out was becuase she had a Duel Citizenship, Both Sky, BBC and ITV said she had a duel citizenship when they dug her name out of the citizen archives.
Dual, not duel.
@@MrTubularBalls duel citizenship is something much more exciting.
She should rot out there!
Hey Benjamin Bear - your pal in "reformer" ideology, Maajid Nawaz has come out and said she should be returned. What say you? Still not a stealth jihadi?
Hello my social justice friend, aren't you afraid that your typing increases global warming ™?
PS. Your avatar offends my dog.
The baby died
“Quite”...
If you can legally keep her out keep her out even if she was 15. We in USA seem obligated to let them in, even if they end up at Quantonimo. We have one that may go to the Supreme Court on citzenship.
Guantanamo*
@@DeathBringer769
Did you ever hear the one about the dyslexic who wasted an entire pondering if there really was a dog?
Wow TH-cam recommended are UKip video with sargon like wtf that's a surprise, I've never voted for UKip but it's nice you see TH-cam not being biased
Video thumbnails need to be different in each video or they'll be missed as already watched. Try not to have similar thumbnails, people have hundreds if not thousands of subscriptions making them easy to skip over and think you've watched it already. I'd bet views are down for this reason.
Interview Paul Joseph Watson!
He has before.
CosmoDeus when? I would like to watch it
how do ya like that gym i’m in intereuro politics and your probably covered in chetto dust
50FPS is why people should vote for UKIP.
I feel Karl should have brought his own drapes to the party.
Sargon Of No Kid
Oye they uploaded a profile picture. Good job folks
Carl doesn't care about UKIP
Are they going to play quidditch ?
stop moving your head!
Revoking citizenships is iffy, especially when someone was born in UK, that being said I dont care if she lives or dies.
Apparently she wasn't born in the UK she was brought over when she was 2
Ambien takes Sargon for sleep.
So no means yes? That was a strange twist at the end
Service guarantees citizenship
Waiter table for 4
"mistakes" pffftt
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Amazing how much rejection of this young woman exists. She was a child and she did not have the prefontal cotex growth to even to begin to understand what she was doing. Why are we so quick to punish and condemn. She should be allowed to come back but should have to sign a contract that she gives up Islam and will sign up for re-education courses to become a real responsible citizen. I look back to when I was 15 and fully indoctrinated as a fundamentalist evangelical Christian and was willing to suffer martyrdom if it was necessary. LOL. Relax guys she has a rough life ahead regardless of her second and third thoughts. She could become a real advocate against Islam if she is treated as a human being ...as a child...with a child. Jeez.