Fun fact: Route 250 which I ride towards the end of the video is scheduled to have one of the next Pulse services. This route will run from Davis station in Evanston to O’Hare Airport.
Also, the post routes are additions to the 270 and 250 not replacements and they use the same stations as well and all the stations have heaters for the winter similar to how most Metra stations around the Chicagoland area have heaters as well
By the way, I live really close to there so I know a lot about the Pulse routes I used to use it a lot. I live really close to golf Mill as well it’s pretty useful it’s a great improvement over the 270 which is every hour every 12 to 15 minutes is a lot better than that with the Milwaukee pace plus line
@@vlfrail yet, before Pulse, 270 was every 10 - 20 minutes. So, not really an improvement in frequency. Moreover, the loss of intermediate stops (while allowing for an "express" service which minimizes route running times, means riders have to walk further or wait longer. I'm not sure Pulse Milwaukee Ave has been an overall improvement, therefore. A local service to Touhy or Harlem with express buses to Golf Mill might have made more sense. Bring back the 56A?
Route 270 stops at the Pulse stations, but it also stops at many other stops between them. Depending on the time of day it can be a little or a lot slower. The two routes combine to provide more frequent service along Milwaukee. Pulse service was originally supposed to be every 10 minutes (which would be better than almost any Pace route), but that was reduced during COVID. There's a similar route in the Twin Cities (the A-line) that does the BRT concept somewhat better. They have the same mini-stations and distinct bus livery as Pulse. Service is more frequent, though (it really is every 10 minutes), and (most important) they have proof of payment fare control, so boarding goes quickly. ... BTW, I totally agree that while the Pulse livery is pretty, the wrap gets in the way of the view.
I want to go back to the Twin Cities and ride the transit there. I knew about the Red Line, I hadn’t heard about the A-Line yet! Is there a difference in service which merits the Red and Orange getting a color name while the A and C get letters?
@@Thom-TRA I know this comment is a tad old but TH-cam had recommended me your year old video! Any who, when you do come back to the Twin Cities our BRT and LRT network has expanded and or is expanding. To answer your question, the colored BRT lines (i.e. Orange, Red, Purple, Gold, and other BRT Lines) are generally catered more towards commuters, is generally new service, and generally has more dedicated right-of-way. Whereas the lettered BRT lines (i.e. A, B, C, D, and other BRT lines) generally replaces existing bus service and typically is an arterial service. I would recommend you to take a trip here when the Gold Line BRT (basically almost fully in dedicated ROW from St. Paul to Woodbury) opens sometime next year in 2025 or also when SWLRT opens in 2027 OR even when the Blue Line extension opens in 2030. Feel free to ask me anything if you do have more questions!
If you're ever in LA check out LA Metro G Line (Orange) BRT in the San Fernando Valley. I runs in a 90% in a dedicated right of way and has bus fare payment by TAP Card at stations and dedicated stations. One negative is it has intersections with major streets, but it does have signal priority.
I have so much to explore next time I’m in LA, and now it looks like my list has one more thing to add! How is the Silver Line in LA, similar to the Orange Line?
@@Thom-TRANot really close, the Silver J Line runs along the El Monte Busway which also allows cars (with a congestion toll) and the Harbor Transitway (elevated next to a freeway - noisy and stations are isolated) which are grade separated. Between these segments the J line runs slowly through the city streets (and lots of traffic) north to south across pretty much all of Downtown LA.
Great to have your take on this 'con' of trying to persuade us that a bus is a train. In the UK we have several BRT systems and the best ones have substantial sections of segregated busway. They are no more than slightly faster bus lines...not trains. I also fully agree that wraps on buses and trains are an abomination and only serve the operator not the passenger who wants a good view our of the window. I think there is a place for superior bus routes, but they are not awesome. 😄
I've been on the Pulse Jefferson Park line before as well. While the frequency is nice (by Pace standards, buses run every 15 - 30 minutes), the buses are just standard Pace buses with purple livery and on board screens. In other words, it's just an express bus, and not actual BRT. In addition, the 270 Milwaukee bus has been cut to once every hour (60 minute) service, leaving riders to walk up to 4 extra blocks to reach their destination. I was more impressed by the 600 Rosemont-Schaumburg Express, which uses coach-style seats that recline, and offers express service from the Rosemont CTA station to the Northwest Transportation Center (in Schaumburg). The upcoming Pulse South Halsted route (from 95th St to the Harvey Metra station) was originally supposed to have dedicated bus lanes, but those were cut from the plans after local residents and politicians complained that the proposed layout would eliminate on-street parking spaces. Similarly, the Ashland Avenue BRT proposal was squashed because of complaints from motorists about left turn restrictions and removing a vehicle lane for a dedicated bus lane. Instead, the X9 Ashland Express was brought back into service. While the bus does stop every 4 blocks (1/2 mile) instead of every 1-2 blocks, it's still stuck in traffic during rush hour and uses the same standard CTA buses that all of the other routes have. The only other service close to BRT in Chicago is Loop Link, which consists of several bus routes that connect Union Station and Ogilvie Transportation Center to the eastern part of the Loop (near Millennium Park), using a combination of Canal St, Clinton St, Washington St, and Madison St. The service does feature dedicated bus lanes (and signals), stations with bus tracking monitors, and raised platforms. However, there is no prepaid boarding or dedicated enforcement of the bus lanes, so I would not call it gold-standard BRT.
My brother recently rode Pace Express from Rosemont and he said he was very impressed as well. I should try it out someday, when I can figure out how to get home to downtown afterwards lol.
I didn't catch it in the vid, but in the suburbs, Pulse is able to extend a green light to expedite the trip. The level boarding also is bumped out meaning they don't have to merge back into traffic (but do hold up traffic more). Scheduling of the routes was / is supposed to be every 10 mins but it looks like they have staffing issues (under the guise of COVID) and have dropped service. Not for / against, just some extra details.
Thanks Buses Are Awesome for another informative video. I agree, it's just a bus lol. BRT should be segregated with dedicated lanes and stations imo! 🚌
Hi Thom. Thanks for sharing the video. It's interesting to see America's take on the BRT. I know San Jose, California has one. Here across the pond in the UK, we have quite a few systems such as the Leigh-Salford- Manchester BRT, Luton to Dunstable Busway and the Cambridgeshire Guided Busway. Looking forward to Saturdays video 🙂
I’m afraid the subject of Saturday still won’t compare to the awesome guided busways you have in the UK. I have always wanted to try one of them. I really like the UK’s tendency to run double-deck city buses, this isn’t something you see much in other parts of the world.
Man the fact that a circumferential bus corridor going literally through farm fields beyond the edge of Copenhagen in Denmark has the same level of service and general design philosophy as this supposed BRT line in one of Americas biggest cities is just... Im lost for words. I mean the Pulse just sounds like our S-bus services and they're not at all BRT. Heck there are plans to convert 2 of them to full on BRT like what you'd see on the LA orange line with almost entirely dedicated lanes, lavish stations, and signal priority wherever possible, and a few others also have some BRT lite projects in the works under the "+way" umbrella that they use for such here. Heck the city's most used line is a +way line but it really is subpar for its job.
Kind of reminds me of Metroway in Arlington VA. It looks cool in some parts, but is terrible for a BRT. To name a few problems: - 20 minute off peak headways, worse than a lot of regular routes in the city. Peak headways are 12 minutes - No signal priority, despite having separate bus signals along parts of the route. Theoretically it’s there, but while riding, I’ve had to wait upwards of a minute at multiple lights. - Only about half the route has all-day bus lanes. Part of the route has rush-hour only lanes, which don’t really count. - No off-board fare payment, or even all-door boarding (all door boarding is planned to come to all Metrobus routes soon, but we’ll see) - Small, 40 ft buses configured EXACTLY like any other WMATA bus (no internal bike racks, self-securing wheelchair positions, a tiny, dysfunctional next stop screen, or other amenities you’d expect from a BRT). It’s to the point where WMATA is considering scrapping the Metroway livery altogether, which is the only thing differentiating these buses from other ones Forgive the long comment, I just wanted to take advantage of the perfect opportunity to dunk on my local “BRT” system lol
6:08 they have the same line information screen format on the telly like the NVV in Germany. It is just a small detail. But I saw this many times before in German busses.
To answer your question about regular buses stopping at Pulse Stations, yes regular Pace buses can stop at some Pulse Stations. Take this video as a perfect example: th-cam.com/video/gzoaHrehloM/w-d-xo.html you can see the bus stopping at at Pulse Station. Golf Mill Station is also another Station that allows regular Pace buses stop at that station, this stop also serves multiple routes except for the Niles Free Routes (410, 411 & 412)
TRA. Wrapped buses and other transport. Not a joy to ride on on a rainy or cloudy day. There must be a way for passengers to see outside. As a friend once said to me: It is like riding in the back of a windowless van. Billboards on wheels. Thank you for showing us what riders have to deal with!!!!
Been at this station numerous times as I always either came from Elmhurst or rode to Elmhurst. Also rode Metra out of Jefferson Park when needed as well
I would not say BRT has failed. This just was not done right. Indygo has an amazing BRT system that literally feels like a train. Same with Cleveland and Eugene. This one could use some upgrades, and at least off board fare collection as well as signal priority.
I just think BRT makes it more tempting for operators to cut corners. If you look at the BRT lines in Grand Rapids, MI, they’ve just been downgraded so much that they’re just back to regular buses. And there are great BRT lines. But the investment that those take make me wish agencies would just invest in more permanent infrastructure.
Pace south is eventually going to be running a Pulse service down Halsted to 95th. It would've been great, with dedicated bus lanes, but the city said no.
10:22 The pigeons are oblivious to that fake owl overhead. 😄Enjoyed the cosplay at the beginning. Yeah, "BRT", sigh. But, 15 minute headway is about average for the low-density suburbs. Re. transit wraps: Go ahead, wrap the bus/train, but leave the windows clear!
Well the other problem is that route, which ends at Golf Mill, a dead mall. There are always some people who take that pulse route but lets face it, the destination is just not great.
I have a different perspective on the Pulse system. Interestingly, I have taken the exact same routes you demonstrate in the video: Dempster Ave., from the Yellow Line to Milwaukee, and the Milwaukee Ave. one from there to Jefferson St. Station. Most, but not all, of the buses are of the "new and improved" type. That said, I enjoy the newer buses a lot more than you indicate in the video. The stops are much nicer (as you say), but the frequency of service (which you knock) is a vast improvement to ordinary Pace service. The 250 Dempster route runs every 30, or sometimes, every 60 minute, intervals. So, 10-15 minute intervals have been a game changer for my transit to work along that line.
I’m happy for you that you enjoy your commute, but very sad that you haven’t been able to experience anything nicer. Pulse is the bare bones of what a regular bus service should be in an area like that.
Those wraps are one of the most offensive features of modern transit. It is also an admission that our built environment is ugly and not worth caring about improving, and neither is the experience of the patrons worthy. Some marketing 'expert' who doesn't even use the service came up with this. And I'm sure PACE officials would love to spend 50K on a passenger environment survey about it just to then ignore the results. Seriously, EVERY side window?
Having a unreliable bus service is one thing the one thing I generally dislike is when these buses I generally dislike when these buses are completely wrapped so you can barely see anything outside the window
Funnily enough there’s a rosemont station in Pennsylvania as well. Unlike the one where you started from though, the one in PA is in a quiet area of the Philadelphia suburbs
3:32 I hope this isn't the only signage showing which busses serve which bays. I've spent excess time in mapping making sure my labels look just right and not as crowded as this
St. Louis desperately needs to invest significantly in BRT; both Lite (half-assed/basic BRT) and true BRT (Bronze/silver grade standard) all three known transit agencies (Metro, MCT & St. Charles County). Like if true BRT was significantly implemented from Clayton to connect long proposed Metrolink corridors, such as to Westport Plaza (I-270 @ Page/364) & South County (perhaps right at I-55 & Lindbergh), as well as one that goes from the Casino Queen (just east of the Eads Bridge to Gateway Commerce/Tradeport’s sprawling warehouse developments (right at the I-255/270 interchange) As well as BRT Lite Corridors operating along some of the busiest corridors within town: >IL 159 from Edwardsville to Belleville >Belleville’s Main Street >IL 143 from Edwardsville through Wood River, then turning through East Alton & along Broadway through Downtown Alton >Olive Blvd (MO 340) from Delmar Loop to at least Creve Coeur >Kingshighway at bare minimum >West Manchester (MO 100) >Florissant & Halls Ferry corridors Among others
@@Thom-TRA they’ve been talking about a 3rd Metrolink line (significantly more at-grade than either of the existing lines but still far more efficient than the Delmar Loop pork barrel boondoggle) for the better part of 10-15 years, but simply given that regions that’re significantly smaller than St. Louis seemingly investing accordingly in BRT within a more reasonable timeframe… Grand Rapids & Birmingham for example (getting out of planning/funding limbo in particular), the solution is obvious. Plus, such BRT lines, like they’re clearly intended to do over there with Pulse, could evermore effectively plug directly back & forth with higher capacity modes of transit. And could likely compliment each other accordingly; bumping up ridership and literally making transit comprehensive instead of only prioritizing light rail and regular bus services… And that’s not even adding yet another piece of transit to the puzzle in St. Louis just above Metrolink: regional/commuter rail. I’m thinking of three priority corridors: >Alton IL (primarily piggybacks off existing Amtrak services until Wood River) >Warrenton MO; primarily serving Northern St. Charles County including Wentzville (WILL require significantly altering the existing single track MO River bridge immediately adjacent Highway 370) & Washington MO (100% fully paralleling an Amtrak route; potentially converting the existing Kirkwood Amtrak station to commuter rail only with plentiful added local stops inbetween) And secondary corridors; one for St. Clair MO, two for Jefferson County MO (primarily so service can effectively run on two existing parallel single tracks) & maybe the north end of Alton… the latter lines acting as a placeholder for further expansion into the remainder of St. Louis exurbs.
I gotta be honest with you, I’d rather see investment in a light rail system. The BRT was one of Rahm Emanuel’s pet projects. Light rails are more expensive, but from what I’ve heard they’re more cost effective and can move more people. I think that would have been a great alternative to the Red Line extension to 130th Street.
I never even heard of Pulse until this video and I have lived in Chicago all my life (63 years) Then again I do live on the Southwest Side which to be honest is a whole different kind of Chicago.
This was amazingly helpful to a regular visitor to Chicagoland like I am. Whole new options of transport I had no idea about. I wonder if these guys have transport options to and from Midway?
No, I didn’t really look into it that much. Perhaps I should have. I know that in some systems, they don’t transfers between bus and brt. Grand Rapids, in Michigan, doesn’t give you a free or reduced transfer either.
i take the pulse from jefferson park transit center to golf mill. it gets me right across the street from my office. it is kinda dissapointing that its not much faster than what is replaces (270)
If you come to Seattle I think you'll approve of Metro's RapidRide BRT with its red buses (I failed to mention them in my comment on your Ghost Bus post several weeks ago) because they meet your criteria for express operation and quality bus stop kiosks which post "next bus" times; they work well with the growing light rail system. The frequencies don't meet your high standards (I don't think 15 minutes headways are inadequate, but I doubt they are more frequent than that other than in peak rush hours even in Chicago.) My time in Chicago was pre-Metra (1965, 1967-70, 1971-72) and it was Evanston Express CTA L-trains in 1965, and Illinois Central electric from Homewood in 1967-68, Burlington "dinkies" from Westmont 1971-72 (this is where the gallery car originated in 1949, Aurora to Union Station). The IC trains at that time (1967-68) were the original 1926 equipment; the original Highliners had their life shortened by their poor crash-worthiness as demonstrated in a horrific rear end collision in 1972 that killed 45. Subsequently in visits to Chicago I used CTA to and from both airports, but the O'Hare route was unsafe-- watched a boy suddenly grab the gold chain off the chest of a young Latino girl and dash out the door, and a man I distantly knew was killed when he tried to stop a similar incident on that line. --Jerry
When done well BRT can be good. I think of Adelaide's O-Bahn, Essen's O-Bahn and guided busways in Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire and Bedfordshire as well as the various Latin American BRT's. The problem is that some authorities put them in as a supposed stopgap to building light rail (Leeds in West Yorkshire springs to mind) where there are sections of guided busway and bus priority lanes that were supposed to be converted to light rail but progressive governments have cancel the projects making Leeds the largest city in Europe with a purely bus based transport network save for a few commuter rail stations on the outskirts. I'm so with you about contravision windows one benefit of bus over U-Bahn or Metro travel is the ability to look out of the windows. I hate it when you cannot see where you are especially if you are looking for a landmark when nearing your stop. As for the Purple livery reminds me of First plc buses in the British provinces. (See 'barbie' livery)
Loving the two car transit train reminds me of my Sprinter DMU's on the Tamar Valley commuter and community rail in Plymouth. Perfect for access up a rural river valley less accessible by road.
BRT success depends city to city. I've seen Milwaukee,WN's BRT and it looks fantastic. California is retrofitting a lot of their southern dilapidated cities with the TOD philosophy and they are technically starting a city from scratch so they have a better opportunity to have a successfull BRT. Here in Chicago we have dense infrastructure, we have tried to develop BRT in different froms especially downtown and a 'MRT' like hub at Union Station. If only we had a Boring Company to help us build a BRT underground... hmmm...
Very good video. Sadly its just a Bus, I didn't see anything off board fare collection. The station was a joke, with limited coverage . Transferring to the bus to the train seemed like a nightmare. Bad sineage.
Yeah, calling this BRT is really a stretch. It’s a slightly nicer bus with slightly nicer stations. Nothing wrong with that, but nothing to write home about either. On a side note, the next departures screen showing like 6 different busses seems a little overkill for a station with only two lines.
Be hard to see of the windows too with the Pulse plastic nonsense on the outside reflecting the fact that whoever designed it doesn't travel on the bus .
270 bus passed the pulse on the schedule, and then the pulse cant even make a pass because of everyones driving style, side by side on and off the gas, i vote bus lane
Tbh, I think PULSE Milwaukee line is totally unnecessary. I think it served as a beta test for the larger routes. Perhaps once PULSE becomes more established, they are probably gonna extend Pulse Milwaukee Line to Buffalo Grove or maybe even Hawthorn Mall along 272’s route
I mean, Pace and Pulse are both alliterating words with a rhythmic connotation. I honestly think it’s a really clever name. Plus, Chicago already has a Purple Line…
Pulse is rather disappointing as a BRT. BRTs are a scam. If you like Buses I agree with you it's my silly personal opinion and I can't enjoy these irl.
Fun fact: Route 250 which I ride towards the end of the video is scheduled to have one of the next Pulse services. This route will run from Davis station in Evanston to O’Hare Airport.
Yes, and it’s currently under construction
Also, the post routes are additions to the 270 and 250 not replacements and they use the same stations as well and all the stations have heaters for the winter similar to how most Metra stations around the Chicagoland area have heaters as well
By the way, I live really close to there so I know a lot about the Pulse routes I used to use it a lot. I live really close to golf Mill as well it’s pretty useful it’s a great improvement over the 270 which is every hour every 12 to 15 minutes is a lot better than that with the Milwaukee pace plus line
Another option to O'Hare. But I've gown attached to the Blue Line.
@@vlfrail yet, before Pulse, 270 was every 10 - 20 minutes. So, not really an improvement in frequency. Moreover, the loss of intermediate stops (while allowing for an "express" service which minimizes route running times, means riders have to walk further or wait longer. I'm not sure Pulse Milwaukee Ave has been an overall improvement, therefore. A local service to Touhy or Harlem with express buses to Golf Mill might have made more sense. Bring back the 56A?
Route 270 stops at the Pulse stations, but it also stops at many other stops between them. Depending on the time of day it can be a little or a lot slower. The two routes combine to provide more frequent service along Milwaukee. Pulse service was originally supposed to be every 10 minutes (which would be better than almost any Pace route), but that was reduced during COVID.
There's a similar route in the Twin Cities (the A-line) that does the BRT concept somewhat better. They have the same mini-stations and distinct bus livery as Pulse. Service is more frequent, though (it really is every 10 minutes), and (most important) they have proof of payment fare control, so boarding goes quickly.
... BTW, I totally agree that while the Pulse livery is pretty, the wrap gets in the way of the view.
I want to go back to the Twin Cities and ride the transit there. I knew about the Red Line, I hadn’t heard about the A-Line yet! Is there a difference in service which merits the Red and Orange getting a color name while the A and C get letters?
@@Thom-TRA I know this comment is a tad old but TH-cam had recommended me your year old video! Any who, when you do come back to the Twin Cities our BRT and LRT network has expanded and or is expanding.
To answer your question, the colored BRT lines (i.e. Orange, Red, Purple, Gold, and other BRT Lines) are generally catered more towards commuters, is generally new service, and generally has more dedicated right-of-way. Whereas the lettered BRT lines (i.e. A, B, C, D, and other BRT lines) generally replaces existing bus service and typically is an arterial service.
I would recommend you to take a trip here when the Gold Line BRT (basically almost fully in dedicated ROW from St. Paul to Woodbury) opens sometime next year in 2025 or also when SWLRT opens in 2027 OR even when the Blue Line extension opens in 2030. Feel free to ask me anything if you do have more questions!
@@Cart_ama where is the blue line extension going again?
If you're ever in LA check out LA Metro G Line (Orange) BRT in the San Fernando Valley. I runs in a 90% in a dedicated right of way and has bus fare payment by TAP Card at stations and dedicated stations. One negative is it has intersections with major streets, but it does have signal priority.
I have so much to explore next time I’m in LA, and now it looks like my list has one more thing to add!
How is the Silver Line in LA, similar to the Orange Line?
@@Thom-TRANot really close, the Silver J Line runs along the El Monte Busway which also allows cars (with a congestion toll) and the Harbor Transitway (elevated next to a freeway - noisy and stations are isolated) which are grade separated. Between these segments the J line runs slowly through the city streets (and lots of traffic) north to south across pretty much all of Downtown LA.
Great to have your take on this 'con' of trying to persuade us that a bus is a train. In the UK we have several BRT systems and the best ones have substantial sections of segregated busway. They are no more than slightly faster bus lines...not trains. I also fully agree that wraps on buses and trains are an abomination and only serve the operator not the passenger who wants a good view our of the window. I think there is a place for superior bus routes, but they are not awesome. 😄
I've been on the Pulse Jefferson Park line before as well. While the frequency is nice (by Pace standards, buses run every 15 - 30 minutes), the buses are just standard Pace buses with purple livery and on board screens. In other words, it's just an express bus, and not actual BRT. In addition, the 270 Milwaukee bus has been cut to once every hour (60 minute) service, leaving riders to walk up to 4 extra blocks to reach their destination. I was more impressed by the 600 Rosemont-Schaumburg Express, which uses coach-style seats that recline, and offers express service from the Rosemont CTA station to the Northwest Transportation Center (in Schaumburg).
The upcoming Pulse South Halsted route (from 95th St to the Harvey Metra station) was originally supposed to have dedicated bus lanes, but those were cut from the plans after local residents and politicians complained that the proposed layout would eliminate on-street parking spaces.
Similarly, the Ashland Avenue BRT proposal was squashed because of complaints from motorists about left turn restrictions and removing a vehicle lane for a dedicated bus lane. Instead, the X9 Ashland Express was brought back into service. While the bus does stop every 4 blocks (1/2 mile) instead of every 1-2 blocks, it's still stuck in traffic during rush hour and uses the same standard CTA buses that all of the other routes have.
The only other service close to BRT in Chicago is Loop Link, which consists of several bus routes that connect Union Station and Ogilvie Transportation Center to the eastern part of the Loop (near Millennium Park), using a combination of Canal St, Clinton St, Washington St, and Madison St. The service does feature dedicated bus lanes (and signals), stations with bus tracking monitors, and raised platforms. However, there is no prepaid boarding or dedicated enforcement of the bus lanes, so I would not call it gold-standard BRT.
My brother recently rode Pace Express from Rosemont and he said he was very impressed as well. I should try it out someday, when I can figure out how to get home to downtown afterwards lol.
Then there's J14
I wish Chicago would grow some balls and ignore all the NIMBYs
Chicago avenue has dedicated bus lanes now though. Havent taken it yet though.
@@maas1208The J's nice.
OMG!
It is so awesome that you do bus reviews too!
I didn't catch it in the vid, but in the suburbs, Pulse is able to extend a green light to expedite the trip.
The level boarding also is bumped out meaning they don't have to merge back into traffic (but do hold up traffic more).
Scheduling of the routes was / is supposed to be every 10 mins but it looks like they have staffing issues (under the guise of COVID) and have dropped service.
Not for / against, just some extra details.
Thanks Buses Are Awesome for another informative video. I agree, it's just a bus lol. BRT should be segregated with dedicated lanes and stations imo! 🚌
Lol, you’ve been on quite the bus tour yourself recently!
Glad I’m not the only one who was skeptical of this route.
Take care!
@@Thom-TRA A bus with lie flat seats and free food is hardly roughing it 😂 Anyway I'm just about to board a budget flight, in ECONOMY 😰
@@NonstopEurotrip you’re talking to someone who has only ever once flown 1st class, and that was for an hour lol
Good luck!
@@Thom-TRA I only do it when it's good value tbh. Or worth the points 😂
Hi Thom. Thanks for sharing the video. It's interesting to see America's take on the BRT. I know San Jose, California has one. Here across the pond in the UK, we have quite a few systems such as the Leigh-Salford- Manchester BRT, Luton to Dunstable Busway and the Cambridgeshire Guided Busway. Looking forward to Saturdays video 🙂
I’m afraid the subject of Saturday still won’t compare to the awesome guided busways you have in the UK. I have always wanted to try one of them. I really like the UK’s tendency to run double-deck city buses, this isn’t something you see much in other parts of the world.
Man the fact that a circumferential bus corridor going literally through farm fields beyond the edge of Copenhagen in Denmark has the same level of service and general design philosophy as this supposed BRT line in one of Americas biggest cities is just... Im lost for words.
I mean the Pulse just sounds like our S-bus services and they're not at all BRT. Heck there are plans to convert 2 of them to full on BRT like what you'd see on the LA orange line with almost entirely dedicated lanes, lavish stations, and signal priority wherever possible, and a few others also have some BRT lite projects in the works under the "+way" umbrella that they use for such here. Heck the city's most used line is a +way line but it really is subpar for its job.
Kind of reminds me of Metroway in Arlington VA. It looks cool in some parts, but is terrible for a BRT. To name a few problems:
- 20 minute off peak headways, worse than a lot of regular routes in the city. Peak headways are 12 minutes
- No signal priority, despite having separate bus signals along parts of the route. Theoretically it’s there, but while riding, I’ve had to wait upwards of a minute at multiple lights.
- Only about half the route has all-day bus lanes. Part of the route has rush-hour only lanes, which don’t really count.
- No off-board fare payment, or even all-door boarding (all door boarding is planned to come to all Metrobus routes soon, but we’ll see)
- Small, 40 ft buses configured EXACTLY like any other WMATA bus (no internal bike racks, self-securing wheelchair positions, a tiny, dysfunctional next stop screen, or other amenities you’d expect from a BRT). It’s to the point where WMATA is considering scrapping the Metroway livery altogether, which is the only thing differentiating these buses from other ones
Forgive the long comment, I just wanted to take advantage of the perfect opportunity to dunk on my local “BRT” system lol
No need to apologize, I feel your pain. I’ll have to check it out next time I’m in the area.
This is the same for most US BRT. In my city, St Paul and Minneapolis, our BRT is just a renovated version of a local bus with less stops
The use of wrap on windows helps keep interiors cool in the summer.
6:08 they have the same line information screen format on the telly like the NVV in Germany. It is just a small detail. But I saw this many times before in German busses.
To answer your question about regular buses stopping at Pulse Stations, yes regular Pace buses can stop at some Pulse Stations.
Take this video as a perfect example: th-cam.com/video/gzoaHrehloM/w-d-xo.html you can see the bus stopping at at Pulse Station. Golf Mill Station is also another Station that allows regular Pace buses stop at that station, this stop also serves multiple routes except for the Niles Free Routes (410, 411 & 412)
TRA. Wrapped buses and other transport. Not a joy to ride on on a rainy or cloudy day. There must be a way for passengers to see outside. As a friend once said to me: It is like riding in the back of a windowless van. Billboards on wheels. Thank you for showing us what riders have to deal with!!!!
Been at this station numerous times as I always either came from Elmhurst or rode to Elmhurst. Also rode Metra out of Jefferson Park when needed as well
I would not say BRT has failed. This just was not done right. Indygo has an amazing BRT system that literally feels like a train. Same with Cleveland and Eugene.
This one could use some upgrades, and at least off board fare collection as well as signal priority.
I just think BRT makes it more tempting for operators to cut corners. If you look at the BRT lines in Grand Rapids, MI, they’ve just been downgraded so much that they’re just back to regular buses. And there are great BRT lines. But the investment that those take make me wish agencies would just invest in more permanent infrastructure.
3:53 _"Hi pigeon."_
*I ❤ THOM!*
Pace south is eventually going to be running a Pulse service down Halsted to 95th. It would've been great, with dedicated bus lanes, but the city said no.
10:22 The pigeons are oblivious to that fake owl overhead. 😄Enjoyed the cosplay at the beginning. Yeah, "BRT", sigh. But, 15 minute headway is about average for the low-density suburbs. Re. transit wraps: Go ahead, wrap the bus/train, but leave the windows clear!
Well the other problem is that route, which ends at Golf Mill, a dead mall. There are always some people who take that pulse route but lets face it, the destination is just not great.
It's more just convienient platform for transfers with the Golf bus.
I have a different perspective on the Pulse system. Interestingly, I have taken the exact same routes you demonstrate in the video: Dempster Ave., from the Yellow Line to Milwaukee, and the Milwaukee Ave. one from there to Jefferson St. Station. Most, but not all, of the buses are of the "new and improved" type. That said, I enjoy the newer buses a lot more than you indicate in the video. The stops are much nicer (as you say), but the frequency of service (which you knock) is a vast improvement to ordinary Pace service. The 250 Dempster route runs every 30, or sometimes, every 60 minute, intervals. So, 10-15 minute intervals have been a game changer for my transit to work along that line.
I’m happy for you that you enjoy your commute, but very sad that you haven’t been able to experience anything nicer. Pulse is the bare bones of what a regular bus service should be in an area like that.
Those wraps are one of the most offensive features of modern transit. It is also an admission that our built environment is ugly and not worth caring about improving, and neither is the experience of the patrons worthy. Some marketing 'expert' who doesn't even use the service came up with this. And I'm sure PACE officials would love to spend 50K on a passenger environment survey about it just to then ignore the results. Seriously, EVERY side window?
We have a BRT line here in Richmond, VA that’s really nice - it’s called GRTC Pulse
Having a unreliable bus service is one thing the one thing I generally dislike is when these buses I generally dislike when these buses are completely wrapped so you can barely see anything outside the window
Have you seen the ad for the Dempster Line? It was sick.
I haven’t
great video, keep up the good work!
Funnily enough there’s a rosemont station in Pennsylvania as well. Unlike the one where you started from though, the one in PA is in a quiet area of the Philadelphia suburbs
A lot of places on the north side of Chicago were named after places in the Main Line suburbs of Philadelphia.
3:32 I hope this isn't the only signage showing which busses serve which bays. I've spent excess time in mapping making sure my labels look just right and not as crowded as this
There’s also like a map somewhere, but it’s not perfect…
The black and white overhead signs indicate which side to go to and then there are stop flag signs on poles of each platform
Never send a bus to do a train's job.
I couldn’t agree more!
Milwaukee is getting a BRT line near my school. Hopefully it’s a bit better than this. Enjoyed the video!
Is it common to use a string as a stop wish prompter in American buses? That looks really weird.
Yes, it is pretty much the universal way to do it
Great videos and content. Lots of very upbeat background music though..
St. Louis desperately needs to invest significantly in BRT; both Lite (half-assed/basic BRT) and true BRT (Bronze/silver grade standard) all three known transit agencies (Metro, MCT & St. Charles County).
Like if true BRT was significantly implemented from Clayton to connect long proposed Metrolink corridors, such as to Westport Plaza (I-270 @ Page/364) & South County (perhaps right at I-55 & Lindbergh), as well as one that goes from the Casino Queen (just east of the Eads Bridge to Gateway Commerce/Tradeport’s sprawling warehouse developments (right at the I-255/270 interchange)
As well as BRT Lite Corridors operating along some of the busiest corridors within town:
>IL 159 from Edwardsville to Belleville
>Belleville’s Main Street
>IL 143 from Edwardsville through Wood River, then turning through East Alton & along Broadway through Downtown Alton
>Olive Blvd (MO 340) from Delmar Loop to at least Creve Coeur
>Kingshighway at bare minimum
>West Manchester (MO 100)
>Florissant & Halls Ferry corridors
Among others
You’ve really thought this out! I’m not familiar enough with St. Louis to comment. I wonder if there are any areas for light rail expansion?
@@Thom-TRA they’ve been talking about a 3rd Metrolink line (significantly more at-grade than either of the existing lines but still far more efficient than the Delmar Loop pork barrel boondoggle) for the better part of 10-15 years, but simply given that regions that’re significantly smaller than St. Louis seemingly investing accordingly in BRT within a more reasonable timeframe… Grand Rapids & Birmingham for example (getting out of planning/funding limbo in particular), the solution is obvious.
Plus, such BRT lines, like they’re clearly intended to do over there with Pulse, could evermore effectively plug directly back & forth with higher capacity modes of transit. And could likely compliment each other accordingly; bumping up ridership and literally making transit comprehensive instead of only prioritizing light rail and regular bus services…
And that’s not even adding yet another piece of transit to the puzzle in St. Louis just above Metrolink: regional/commuter rail. I’m thinking of three priority corridors:
>Alton IL (primarily piggybacks off existing Amtrak services until Wood River)
>Warrenton MO; primarily serving Northern St. Charles County including Wentzville (WILL require significantly altering the existing single track MO River bridge immediately adjacent Highway 370)
& Washington MO (100% fully paralleling an Amtrak route; potentially converting the existing Kirkwood Amtrak station to commuter rail only with plentiful added local stops inbetween)
And secondary corridors; one for St. Clair MO, two for Jefferson County MO (primarily so service can effectively run on two existing parallel single tracks) & maybe the north end of Alton… the latter lines acting as a placeholder for further expansion into the remainder of St. Louis exurbs.
Oh I can't stand that wrap. It makes me think the people who planned this don't ride buses.
It makes me dizzy
It's almost like that's exactly what happens.
I’ve lived in Chicago since July and just now hearing about this “pulse” bus
There will be a second route opening in 2023!
I gotta be honest with you, I’d rather see investment in a light rail system. The BRT was one of Rahm Emanuel’s pet projects. Light rails are more expensive, but from what I’ve heard they’re more cost effective and can move more people. I think that would have been a great alternative to the Red Line extension to 130th Street.
Same. Light rail over BRT any day of the week.
Will you ever do a review on the J14 CTA bus route
Yes I’m planning on it
@@Thom-TRA you should also do the Pace I-90 express
I never even heard of Pulse until this video and I have lived in Chicago all my life (63 years) Then again I do live on the Southwest Side which to be honest is a whole different kind of Chicago.
There should be a pulse route coming to your part of town someday
J14: *Sweats Nervously*
Honestly if it doesn't have it's own exclusive guideway at best it's enhanced bus service, not BRT.
I agree. In my opinion, enhanced bus < BRT < a real train
This is “enhanced” bus service definitely not BRT. I like the mood lighting tho.
This was amazingly helpful to a regular visitor to Chicagoland like I am. Whole new options of transport I had no idea about. I wonder if these guys have transport options to and from Midway?
Midway has the CTA Orange Line as well as several regular Pace routes. Some are infrequent however.
@@Thom-TRA There is CTA bus service to Midway Airport also. But I wouldn't recommend it!
@@gethighonlife11 funny enough I’m actually taking CTA from Midway today
Some of the PACE Routes south of Midway don't run that late as I know that 383 stops at 8:30 during the week
@@leereeder2293 Whens the last 379
Thanks for the video. Did you ever figure out why the transfer wasn't honored?
No, I didn’t really look into it that much. Perhaps I should have. I know that in some systems, they don’t transfers between bus and brt. Grand Rapids, in Michigan, doesn’t give you a free or reduced transfer either.
The old name for the yellow line was the Skokie swift
Yes
very mildly interestingly, this BRT has the same exact name and color scheme as Richmond, VA’s BRT.
I did not know that!
i take the pulse from jefferson park transit center to golf mill. it gets me right across the street from my office. it is kinda dissapointing that its not much faster than what is replaces (270)
the goal was to get the commute down to 21 minutes and it sometimes does hit that tho. for those days im grateful
The Hidden Bottom level of Wacker drive could be turned into BRT.
I think part of it was designed for that but never used. I’d say let’s turn it into a proper subway.
@@Thom-TRALRT then?
When are you and Luis Gusto or Lost in The Pond or RMTransit gonna do a collab video?!?
Lol maybe someday! I’ve offered to provide Reece some footage on occasion.
If you come to Seattle I think you'll approve of Metro's RapidRide BRT with its red buses (I failed to mention them in my comment on your Ghost Bus post several weeks ago) because they meet your criteria for express operation and quality bus stop kiosks which post "next bus" times; they work well with the growing light rail system. The frequencies don't meet your high standards (I don't think 15 minutes headways are inadequate, but I doubt they are more frequent than that other than in peak rush hours even in Chicago.) My time in Chicago was pre-Metra (1965, 1967-70, 1971-72) and it was Evanston Express CTA L-trains in 1965, and Illinois Central electric from Homewood in 1967-68, Burlington "dinkies" from Westmont 1971-72 (this is where the gallery car originated in 1949, Aurora to Union Station). The IC trains at that time (1967-68) were the original 1926 equipment; the original Highliners had their life shortened by their poor crash-worthiness as demonstrated in a horrific rear end collision in 1972 that killed 45. Subsequently in visits to Chicago I used CTA to and from both airports, but the O'Hare route was unsafe-- watched a boy suddenly grab the gold chain off the chest of a young Latino girl and dash out the door, and a man I distantly knew was killed when he tried to stop a similar incident on that line. --Jerry
When done well BRT can be good. I think of Adelaide's O-Bahn, Essen's O-Bahn and guided busways in Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire and Bedfordshire as well as the various Latin American BRT's.
The problem is that some authorities put them in as a supposed stopgap to building light rail (Leeds in West Yorkshire springs to mind) where there are sections of guided busway and bus priority lanes that were supposed to be converted to light rail but progressive governments have cancel the projects making Leeds the largest city in Europe with a purely bus based transport network save for a few commuter rail stations on the outskirts.
I'm so with you about contravision windows one benefit of bus over U-Bahn or Metro travel is the ability to look out of the windows. I hate it when you cannot see where you are especially if you are looking for a landmark when nearing your stop.
As for the Purple livery reminds me of First plc buses in the British provinces. (See 'barbie' livery)
Loving the two car transit train reminds me of my Sprinter DMU's on the Tamar Valley commuter and community rail in Plymouth. Perfect for access up a rural river valley less accessible by road.
I love Thoms high energy. It's contagious.
Haha thank you!! I need some myself today
Open in 2919 oh boy 😷 cool video I'm surprised the Stations not purple two.
BRT success depends city to city. I've seen Milwaukee,WN's BRT and it looks fantastic. California is retrofitting a lot of their southern dilapidated cities with the TOD philosophy and they are technically starting a city from scratch so they have a better opportunity to have a successfull BRT. Here in Chicago we have dense infrastructure, we have tried to develop BRT in different froms especially downtown and a 'MRT' like hub at Union Station. If only we had a Boring Company to help us build a BRT underground... hmmm...
The boring company can stay as far away from Chicago as they possibly can lol
@@Thom-TRA we need more holes on the ground XD
Very good video. Sadly its just a Bus, I didn't see anything off board fare collection. The station was a joke, with limited coverage . Transferring to the bus to the train seemed like a nightmare. Bad sineage.
idk if id call that a brt... when i think of brt i more think of a transitway like ottawa, but ig its still is faster
Yeah, calling this BRT is really a stretch. It’s a slightly nicer bus with slightly nicer stations. Nothing wrong with that, but nothing to write home about either. On a side note, the next departures screen showing like 6 different busses seems a little overkill for a station with only two lines.
It's better then the Jeffery "jump", the CTA waaay overhyped that one.
So many things that call themselves, "B.R.T.," really aren't B.R.T.
Ain’t that the truth
Be hard to see of the windows too with the Pulse plastic nonsense on the outside reflecting the fact that whoever designed it doesn't travel on the bus .
The wrap stuff sucks
Pace/pulse is not in all chicago, just from suburbs to the city.
Funny, I’m looking for anyone who said it was in all Chicago and I can’t find them.
270 bus passed the pulse on the schedule, and then the pulse cant even make a pass because of everyones driving style, side by side on and off the gas, i vote bus lane
Long Story short...Pulse is just another express route for certain routes.
Yes
Tbh, I think PULSE Milwaukee line is totally unnecessary. I think it served as a beta test for the larger routes. Perhaps once PULSE becomes more established, they are probably gonna extend Pulse Milwaukee Line to Buffalo Grove or maybe even Hawthorn Mall along 272’s route
I saw in Pace’s budget proposal that they’re planning to complete construction on Dempster Pulse by next spring.
I feel more like it was a way to excuse short turning 270s and increasing service. Ridership noticeably falls off after Golf.
finally one way richmond beats chicago: slightly better BRT line called “pulse”
4:37 is litterally where i live are you stalking me?
Yep
This doesn't look like a BRT
It really shouldn’t be called a brt
They do
They do what
Honestly it’s a nice bus, but pulse is a dumb name. Should have just called them purple line etc.
I mean, Pace and Pulse are both alliterating words with a rhythmic connotation. I honestly think it’s a really clever name. Plus, Chicago already has a Purple Line…
Why do you say pulse is different from pace!!! Pulse is pace!!!
I never said that. Ever.
Hi pigeon 👋
Pigeon says hi back
Pulse is rather disappointing as a BRT. BRTs are a scam. If you like Buses I agree with you it's my silly personal opinion and I can't enjoy these irl.
Yeah brt seems like a half-commitment that lazy urban planners use
AMERICAN BRT is a scam. Not BRT.
Ugh...US buses are so ugly! They look like cages on wheels and the ride is soo rigid :(
It is very bumpy