I am learning so much from you. Thank you. I especially appreciate the fact that you don't go off on a tangent or that you don't take 5 to 10 minutes before you get to the topic. Great video, again thank you.
I follow the same procedures that you outlined except that I don't ever resize my BPCR cases. Thumb seating the bullet on the card after seating it with a compression die is all I do. The C. Sharps Badger barrels and a properly sized bullet are a perfect fit in a fire formed case. I suspect the Shiloh Sharps are the same. These are a great series BTW! Super interesting.
I don’t resize either. I decap the primers into a trash bag then clean the brass in a wet tumble, anneal, polish, then load… Maybe I should do a video showing the whole “cycle of life”…guys might like that.
How are people getting case separations. I has so a ton of high pressure loads and the only case separations I have ever had are on my 10mm brass necked down to 9mm in my Glock. After around 3-6 reloads I will start seeing case separations. But I have never seen it in a rifle let alone a low pressure straight wall case.
@@jtcustomknives it’s not uncommon to load BP cases dozens of times. Some guys have been using the same brass for 20 years. Annealing makes that possible.
I used b/p sub.2x,wade never comp.set bullet set on top of powder,it comp. A little but never used bp,2x,or 3x...learn something, I had a 45 90 sold it now I want a sharps 45 70...shame on you😂...good info for all of us for being straight up 👍☕️☕️✌️
Just got a 45-70 browning high wall with a badger batter. And this video could not have been better timing. I ended up just buying a set of rcbs cowboy dies.
Thanks! This is one of the best videos that I have watched for loading BP cartridges. I have Lee dies but they are giving me some trouble with the longer 535 gr. Postell bullets. Also I have difficulty getting an accurate repeatable compression on the powder charge. Also issues with my Lee seating die because tehe crimp feature tends to grab the long bullet before it touches the actual bullet seater. That micrometer type seating die is really nice. What are you using to lever the bullet into the chamber?
I'm using a mixture of dies. The sizing die (used for removing mouth belling) and the expander are RCBS Cowboy dies. The powder compression die is from Buffalo Arms, and the seating die is from Whidden Gunworks in Georgia. The camming tool is custom made by a friend of mine. He might be going public with it, keep an eye on Black Powder Cartridge News....
Thanks for the great demo ! It would be interesting to see how you arrived at the COAL for where you wanted that bullet seated for that particular rifle. Is that 2F in there ?
Great content. I noticed your drop tube. Where did you get it? I'm having trouble finding one. What bullets do you use in your single shot rifles? Molds etc. Thanks
What’s the advantage to using a compression die as opposed to using the seating die as one operation? Also doesn’t a standard seating die take the bell out of the case eliminating the sizing die? And isn’t it true that with single shots rifles, no crimp is needed? Thanks for your response!
@@dogbone1358 the compression die is for compressing the black powder column. This can sometimes take quite a bit of force and will deform lead bullets. If you try to do it all in one step such as compressing the powder with the bullet. Regular seating dye without a crimp will not remove the bill from the case.we like to use the sizing dye to take the belling out of the case mouth as opposed to a crimp dye due to it just being a gentler operation. We’re not really looking to put any crimp on the case at all.
@@RecoilTherapyChannel Shot and loaded 15 fire formed loads for my 1874 Sharps in 45-70. Followed your procedure using wads and compressing the powder with a compression die. Then seated the bullet with a seating die. Used a neck sizing die to add some tension to the neck of the case. Notice the bullet is able to spin in the case with very slight up and down movement as well. Assuming this is not an issue with single shot rifles. Ordered straight handled cams from Eric for the Sharps and High Wall.
Been wondering where to get or make that special tool when you shove the cartridge into rifling of the barrel? Been needing one for some of my black powder loads
If you're not sizing your cases a bullet should drop into a fire formed case. If it does not, your chamber is too tight or you might have to turn necks. The final bump you do on your cases could be slightly deforming your bullet and should not be necessary unless your taking a flare off the case mouth. Buffalo Arms sell straight expansion plugs without a taper to solve this. I would just finger seat your bullets in a fire formed case since your bullet is already centering itself in the bore since you're seating into the lands.
Thanks! In my new rifle, the bullets do slip radian. I was using a regular expanding plug but I just got a new one that has a Street Walter it so I won’t have to take and bump my cases to get the taper out of them anymore. Should probably update this video…
@@dogbone1358 if you get the expander diameter right you should have a friction fit. I can pull my bullets out with my fingers but they dont fall out if you turn them upside down. I use a .460 expander for a .459 bullet. Annealing your cases gives you consistent expansion without alot of spring back in the brass.
What compression die are you using? I have been using a Lee expansion die with a compression plug. However I find it very difficult to get a repeatable uniform compression depth.
I’m running .250” compression with an .060 Walter’s Wad and a parchment paper wad on top of it. Theory is that the parchment paper keeps the heavier fiber wad from sticking to the bullet if some lube gets down in there. I have a Buffalo Arms compression plug in an expander die body. Not sure why you would get different levels of compression…
@@RecoilTherapyChannel I am running the same load with 70 grains 2F Goex only I use a piece of newspaper over the .060 walters wad instead of parchment. I think the Lee expansion die settings are just too course as the only adjustment is the 7/8 die body collar.
@@RecoilTherapyChannel I sized mine and that's what I'm finding. I just need to get the lead right. It shoots copper jacket really good. 1" group at 100y. Just need to get the lead right.
I ve been working overseas for the better part of he last 16 years. Have t been able to do much of anything, in shooting. Have 30 days vacation in November and will get to,0lay with my guns. In looking forward, into 2025, I should be able to vacation for 21 days in June…..in time for the Quigley Match. I have an 1884 Trapdoor, sitting in the back of the safe for the last 20 years. Have never had much to use it for. I just thought that it would be fun, try it at the Quigley, EVEN IF IT IS AN INFERIOR rifle, for that match. Am sure many will scoff/laugh, when I show up with it or think that I’m wasting my time…and theirs. It’s something that I want to do. I know the shortcomings. I’ve loaded BP ctgs for it 20 years ago and still have dies, molds, etc. and JS Wolf’s book. May have to spring for new cases and a compression die. Will only have the 30 days this November to work with it, and to assemble the ammunition that I will need and some other things, because there won’t be time, next June. Am really looking forward to it, even if I do t score one stinking point. Who knows, I just might and it will be challenging. Trying to get hold of those bore wipers. Emailed your friend, but haven’t heard back. BUFFALO is out of stock on the brass pins, but I might have a way to still make it work. Anyway, good video.
@@RecoilTherapyChannel From what I've been reading on various forums, a delrin rod should work. I've ordered one and will find out, when I get home in 8 weeks. Also have bore wipers on order. Will have to take my rifle to my gunsmith, to have him check my groove diameter. Could probably and will attempt to do it myself, before I take to him. Understand that measuring the three grooves is difficult. I may have to order a mold, for best results.
@@RecoilTherapyChannel I have emailed the Quigley people, through their website a couple of time, but have received no reply. Do you know if they or anyone one else, in the area will accept ammunition shipments? 2200 miles is along drive....both ways. My time is limited and don't want to spend 6-7 days of it,driving.
@@jason60chev trapdoors usually run a little large in the bore. You might need a .461 or .462 bullet. I have not seen a trapdoor shooter running bore wipers at the Q yet. I think it’s because you can’t really get the rod pushed through the action due to the design. There’s no straight shot through like other rifles. If you’re shooting BP, a blow tube probably your best bet. For your first Q, you might consider a smokeless load. 3031 or similar should be able to drive a 405 gr or 500 gr (preferably) to 1250 fps safely. I shot smokeless at my first Q. It could simplify things up for you and reduce the amount of gear you need to ship/fly out there.
@@williambaldwin1434 Forster Co-Ax press and a mixed die set. The seater die is from Whidden Gunworks in Nashville GA. The compression die is from Buffalo Arms.
I am learning so much from you. Thank you. I especially appreciate the fact that you don't go off on a tangent or that you don't take 5 to 10 minutes before you get to the topic. Great video, again thank you.
Thank you for the video. I got a Pedersoli Sharps in 45-70 last year, and this will be very helpful.
I've always wondered how those committed loads went together. Thanks for the info!
Great info, glad I found your channel! Thanks
I follow the same procedures that you outlined except that I don't ever resize my BPCR cases. Thumb seating the bullet on the card after seating it with a compression die is all I do. The C. Sharps Badger barrels and a properly sized bullet are a perfect fit in a fire formed case. I suspect the Shiloh Sharps are the same. These are a great series BTW! Super interesting.
I don’t resize either. I decap the primers into a trash bag then clean the brass in a wet tumble, anneal, polish, then load…
Maybe I should do a video showing the whole “cycle of life”…guys might like that.
@@RecoilTherapyChannel I have never annealed, but after having two cases seperate this summer I am thinking that I should have.
How are people getting case separations. I has so a ton of high pressure loads and the only case separations I have ever had are on my 10mm brass necked down to 9mm in my Glock. After around 3-6 reloads I will start seeing case separations. But I have never seen it in a rifle let alone a low pressure straight wall case.
@@jtcustomknives it’s not uncommon to load BP cases dozens of times. Some guys have been using the same brass for 20 years. Annealing makes that possible.
@@asherdog9248 Same question. If there’s no case tension at the mouth of the case, what’s to keep the bullet from falling out of the case?
I used b/p sub.2x,wade never comp.set bullet set on top of powder,it comp. A little but never used bp,2x,or 3x...learn something, I had a 45 90 sold it now I want a sharps 45 70...shame on you😂...good info for all of us for being straight up 👍☕️☕️✌️
Just got a 45-70 browning high wall with a badger batter. And this video could not have been better timing. I ended up just buying a set of rcbs cowboy dies.
@@jtcustomknives What’s a badger batter? Did you mean barrel?
Thanks, interesting and informative
thanks for your video very informative, do you have any plans to make videos on load development?
Yes. Been working on that a lot lately. Also have a new rifle in route that will be used for load development videos.
Thanks! This is one of the best videos that I have watched for loading BP cartridges. I have Lee dies but they are giving me some trouble with the longer 535 gr. Postell bullets. Also I have difficulty getting an accurate repeatable compression on the powder charge. Also issues with my Lee seating die because tehe crimp feature tends to grab the long bullet before it touches the actual bullet seater. That micrometer type seating die is really nice. What are you using to lever the bullet into the chamber?
I'm using a mixture of dies. The sizing die (used for removing mouth belling) and the expander are RCBS Cowboy dies. The powder compression die is from Buffalo Arms, and the seating die is from Whidden Gunworks in Georgia.
The camming tool is custom made by a friend of mine. He might be going public with it, keep an eye on Black Powder Cartridge News....
Thanks for the great demo !
It would be interesting to see how you arrived at the COAL for where you wanted that bullet seated for that particular rifle.
Is that 2F in there ?
1.5F Swiss…
See the video “Introduction to the Pedersoli Sharps Rifle”…
@@RecoilTherapyChannel
I will , thanks !
Like your press, what is it?
Great vid BWT.
That's a Forster Co-ax. One day I'll have one.
Great content. I noticed your drop tube. Where did you get it? I'm having trouble finding one. What bullets do you use in your single shot rifles? Molds etc. Thanks
You can get a drop tube, compression dies, molds etc from Buffalo Arms. Best pricing on real BP too.
@@RecoilTherapyChannel Thank you.
Where did you get that bullet seating die? Great video!
From Whidden Gunworks in Georgia.
What’s the advantage to using a compression die as opposed to using the seating die as one operation? Also doesn’t a standard seating die take the bell out of the case eliminating the sizing die? And isn’t it true that with single shots rifles, no crimp is needed? Thanks for your response!
@@dogbone1358 the compression die is for compressing the black powder column. This can sometimes take quite a bit of force and will deform lead bullets. If you try to do it all in one step such as compressing the powder with the bullet. Regular seating dye without a crimp will not remove the bill from the case.we like to use the sizing dye to take the belling out of the case mouth as opposed to a crimp dye due to it just being a gentler operation. We’re not really looking to put any crimp on the case at all.
@ Thank you!
@@RecoilTherapyChannel Shot and loaded 15 fire formed loads for my 1874 Sharps in 45-70. Followed your procedure using wads and compressing the powder with a compression die. Then seated the bullet with a seating die. Used a neck sizing die to add some tension to the neck of the case. Notice the bullet is able to spin in the case with very slight up and down movement as well. Assuming this is not an issue with single shot rifles. Ordered straight handled cams from Eric for the Sharps and High Wall.
Been wondering where to get or make that special tool when you shove the cartridge into rifling of the barrel? Been needing one for some of my black powder loads
That tool fits Sharps 1874 receivers. My buddy Eric makes them. You can hit him up at
eedouble7@gmail
The whidden seating die 45/70 what do I order???? Thanks
@@jimjones9740 Buffalo Arms carries the Vickerman die which is very similar. Whidden does get ordered from Whidden Gunworks in Georgia.
If you're not sizing your cases a bullet should drop into a fire formed case. If it does not, your chamber is too tight or you might have to turn necks. The final bump you do on your cases could be slightly deforming your bullet and should not be necessary unless your taking a flare off the case mouth. Buffalo Arms sell straight expansion plugs without a taper to solve this. I would just finger seat your bullets in a fire formed case since your bullet is already centering itself in the bore since you're seating into the lands.
Thanks! In my new rifle, the bullets do slip radian. I was using a regular expanding plug but I just got a new one that has a Street Walter it so I won’t have to take and bump my cases to get the taper out of them anymore. Should probably update this video…
@@RHG48 With just finger seating the bullet in a fireformed case, what’s to keep the bullet from sliding out if there no tension at the mouth?
@@dogbone1358 if you get the expander diameter right you should have a friction fit. I can pull my bullets out with my fingers but they dont fall out if you turn them upside down. I use a .460 expander for a .459 bullet. Annealing your cases gives you consistent expansion without alot of spring back in the brass.
@@RHG48 Isn’t a .460 expander die too large for a .459 bullet? Shouldn’t the expander be a .458 for neck tension? I’m confused.
@@dogbone1358 your brass should spring back .001, now you're finger seating a .459 bullet in a .459 hole.
What are the size of the steel targets at each distance at the Quigley?
@@dogbone1358 all the rules, target sizes, winners, lists, and everything else can be found right here…
www.quigleymatch.com
What compression die are you using? I have been using a Lee expansion die with a compression plug. However I find it very difficult to get a repeatable uniform compression depth.
I’m running .250” compression with an .060 Walter’s Wad and a parchment paper wad on top of it. Theory is that the parchment paper keeps the heavier fiber wad from sticking to the bullet if some lube gets down in there.
I have a Buffalo Arms compression plug in an expander die body. Not sure why you would get different levels of compression…
@@RecoilTherapyChannel I am running the same load with 70 grains 2F Goex only I use a piece of newspaper over the .060 walters wad instead of parchment. I think the Lee expansion die settings are just too course as the only adjustment is the 7/8 die body collar.
I just use a compression die and seat the bullet in my fireformed case by hand, no other dies needed.
Did you trim the cases?
Yes I check and trim if needed. Part of the case prep routine.
What size bullet (diameter)are you using
Running black powder, I use a .459 sizing die in my lube/sizer. All depends on what measurement you get when you slug the bore.
@@RecoilTherapyChannel I sized mine and that's what I'm finding. I just need to get the lead right. It shoots copper jacket really good. 1" group at 100y. Just need to get the lead right.
@@jerryroesener5937 16-1 alloy makes a great bullet. Some of the top guys are even going to 14-1.
I am trying to locate the seating die you used. What is the name of the manufacturer?
Whidden Gun Works in Nashville, GA. Ask for Wiley.
@@longuecarbine Lee makes seating dies.
I ve been working overseas for the better part of he last 16 years. Have t been able to do much of anything, in shooting. Have 30 days vacation in November and will get to,0lay with my guns. In looking forward, into 2025, I should be able to vacation for 21 days in June…..in time for the Quigley Match. I have an 1884 Trapdoor, sitting in the back of the safe for the last 20 years. Have never had much to use it for. I just thought that it would be fun, try it at the Quigley, EVEN IF IT IS AN INFERIOR rifle, for that match. Am sure many will scoff/laugh, when I show up with it or think that I’m wasting my time…and theirs. It’s something that I want to do. I know the shortcomings. I’ve loaded BP ctgs for it 20 years ago and still have dies, molds, etc. and JS Wolf’s book. May have to spring for new cases and a compression die. Will only have the 30 days this November to work with it, and to assemble the ammunition that I will need and some other things, because there won’t be time, next June. Am really looking forward to it, even if I do t score one stinking point. Who knows, I just might and it will be challenging. Trying to get hold of those bore wipers. Emailed your friend, but haven’t heard back. BUFFALO is out of stock on the brass pins, but I might have a way to still make it work. Anyway, good video.
Trapdoor has its own class and trophies at the Quigley. Blow tubing probably your best bet for fouling control.
@@RecoilTherapyChannel From what I've been reading on various forums, a delrin rod should work. I've ordered one and will find out, when I get home in 8 weeks. Also have bore wipers on order. Will have to take my rifle to my gunsmith, to have him check my groove diameter. Could probably and will attempt to do it myself, before I take to him. Understand that measuring the three grooves is difficult. I may have to order a mold, for best results.
@@RecoilTherapyChannel I have emailed the Quigley people, through their website a couple of time, but have received no reply. Do you know if they or anyone one else, in the area will accept ammunition shipments? 2200 miles is along drive....both ways. My time is limited and don't want to spend 6-7 days of it,driving.
@@jason60chev maybe try going on the Forsyth gun club facebook page.
@@jason60chev trapdoors usually run a little large in the bore. You might need a .461 or .462 bullet.
I have not seen a trapdoor shooter running bore wipers at the Q yet. I think it’s because you can’t really get the rod pushed through the action due to the design. There’s no straight shot through like other rifles. If you’re shooting BP, a blow tube probably your best bet.
For your first Q, you might consider a smokeless load. 3031 or similar should be able to drive a 405 gr or 500 gr (preferably) to 1250 fps safely. I shot smokeless at my first Q. It could simplify things up for you and reduce the amount of gear you need to ship/fly out there.
Do some paper jacket loads.
I’m still learning these greasers lol!
Have used cotton paper for some 45-120, cigarette paper for 38-55
@@RecoilTherapyChannel what kind of press is that and dies?
@@williambaldwin1434 Forster Co-Ax press and a mixed die set. The seater die is from Whidden Gunworks in Nashville GA. The compression die is from Buffalo Arms.
@@RecoilTherapyChannel Lee makes a compression die.