😨 Secret of Plotinus' TEACHER: Ammonius Saccas 🧐
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Philosophy and Theurgy, though I'm not yet half way through, along with the litany of other texts you've recommended of Coomarswamy's and the Neoplatonists has pretty much obliterated the last in me of any modern sentiments regarding the common understanding of "history" and ancient peoples. I now understand why as a boy I had an innate reaction of gut-wrenching disgust, horrible despair, and a near-intolerable sense of estrangement when I'd leave my home in the country for the miserable shopping centers and brutalist architecture of our cities. Things seemed utterly unintelligible and maddening to me. Now I know why. And to think of the sad fact that the sublime cultures, arts, and arcane sciences of the ancients are seen as moronic, non-sensical works of an animalistic and primitive mind is sorrowing. How much we've lost, and how many souls are being deprived. Cool video. Thanks Ken. This type of stuff is helping to revivify what had hitherto become dead and lost in me.
YOU NAILED IT PATRICK!
@@KenTheoriaApophasis hehehe
In response to your EXACT words Patrick, I can certainly relate...I love Ken, but he misses or just isn't aware of how the Orthodox Christian Churches in Russia and elsewhere preserve and totally understand and appreciate the old architecture in how that simply speaks to the soul. Pre-Revolution Russia's culture and architecture was a sight and culture to behold....I wish I had words, but this video will enrich you I'm sure, and give you tremendous hope. Orthodox Christianity is very "new" to America BTW...please don't confuse it or even equate it to the Joel Osteen or Billy Graham crowd, because it is definitely NOT that at all whatsoever....not even close. Not here to "convert" BTW lol...Not my style, but I think anyone who's 'ready' can appreciate this video, one who craves some of the spirituality that America lost, or maybe more accurately, what America NEVER had, and what we were deprived of all these years. Enjoy, and would love to hear what you thought of it. Cheers! th-cam.com/video/ZtlaqnLsVoU/w-d-xo.html
This is what Algis Uzdaviynz refers to when he uses the term Perennial Philosophy....its not just the greeks magically coming up with ALL these concepts...there was significant outside influence and also partnership when it comes to philosophy.
Great topic! Never heard of Plotinus' teacher before.
By the way, if anyone thinks they got it bad; Pythagoras was kidnapped by the Persian king when they took over the city he had been living in for years, he spent the next 12 years learning the mysteries from the Magi, after which he travelled to Babylon and eventually India, getting initiated into dozens of mystery schools along the way. When he finally came back to Samos, he found it had been destroyed and he had to move to Croton, which was also eventually invaded, which forced him to flee.
All this without electricity, modern sanitary facilities, the internet or pizza.
Dude was pretty badass.
Edit: Also, all "new age" shit is a perversion of actual ancient knowledge and wisdom, just like governments and "too big to fail" corporations pervert the rules and laws to their own ends. In both cases people choose to follow perverts, degenerates, liars and fools; hence they get what they paid for (with their time and energy).
I am addicted to watching your videos, I have put im well over 150 hours. I’m slowly understanding what is being said and I unfortunately, have no skill in translating old languages for myself. I have applied this new found wisdom and logic in dielactics with co-workers. You were right, they self identify with their beliefs. Leaving the room as if I insulted them. Especially on the topics of modern science.
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Passed down through the ages. Thank you kind Sir.
Once I read some where, the three magi kings that visited Jesus were Scithyan.
Except the three magi kings weren't three
Highly probable. There is also some evidence that Jesus may have traveled to Egypt Tibet, India and China. He had a very interesting life.
@@suppiluiiuma5769 I agree!
Ancient Persia was deeply Scythian during that time.
@@TheRoyalFlush exactly, that's probably where he went to study (at least imo), not Scythia itself
I am so interested in European Indian connection. Thanks for the videos.
Robert Sepehr has some really good videos on race origins,he mentions in a few of “Buddha”being a scythian
Worth looking up, too, a guy named Bhakti Ananda Goswami.
Except he calls Noah a Scythian which just isn't true and never will be.
It was a rewrite done by Christians to link European genealogy to the Bible through flat out lies and made up nonsense.
Thank you Ken.
It is never said, but that Alexander as a MACEDONIAN name, was never a Greek name, neither any of these said 300s BC people who conquested eastern Europe, the Mideast, Egypt, and north Africa, had connections with the Bharati (the real national name of the people of India !!! - and should be renamed as such !!!). It is somewhere, still searching the genealogical ancestry of Alexander and Phillip of Macedon, that there was a marriage of a Bharati pricess into the Macedonian royalty. This is the real reason for a Macedonia and Bharati alliance on both sides of the Persian empire - the enemy of my enemy is my friend and ally. Much like the Romans and the Chinese were allies against the Persian empire, until the 400s-500s CE when both the Chinese, Indians, and Roman, Byzantines all fell together.
It is Alexander who defeated the Persians, planted a relative, Seleucid Nicator, on the Persian (now the Macedonian Persian throne), and then went to assume invasion, conquest, and rulership of India ... by claiming his royal Bharati bloodline descent via this maternal ancestry. Al ish kandara (Macedonian Greek Alexander) is a genealogical Bharati namesake. The modern Bharati name most people will realize is Chandra.
It is Seleucus Nicator who make a peace treaty with the Bharati. (Quote) Alexander had extended his reach all the way to India, establishing cities and leaving satraps (governors) to administrate. In c. 305 BCE, King Chandragupta Maurya took back a number of these regions and Seleucus launched the Seleucid-Mauryan War (305-303 BCE) which resulted in a treaty whereby Seleucus gave up the contested regions in return for trade agreements and respect for his borders. Seleucus seemed to be everywhere at once, taking whatever regions he could from his former comrades-in-arms, especially Antigonus, until the latter's defeat at Ipsus in 301 BCE (a victory largely resulting from Seleucus' use of war elephants he had received from Chandragupta by treaty). (Unquote).
Chandra-gupta is part of the Mauryan dynasty branches that also came down to Al ish kandara /Al ish Chandra / Alexander.
These eastern Europeans and their contacts with Bharati-land, had all these common economic trades, as well as faith-sharing, mentioned with King Ashok and Egyptian-Greek (pharaoh) Ptolemy Philadelphus could be holding the same ancestral faith common to both.
And for other context. The other branches of the Macedonian royalty were these relatives of Alexander on his father's side (Anti-paters of Greater and Lesser Syria, from the father's paternal relatives), and the Antigonids of Asia Minor, Anti-gonus, from the mother's maternal relatives). It would be these Antigonids, who were the first to be overcome by the many other native Macedonian, Syrian, and Egyptian branches who would be these Bharati bloodlines (!). Cleansing out the European royal Bharati bloodlines of rulership and connections back into India.
One can then wonder how actually genealogically close Ptolemy Philadelphus (and Alexander) were to King Ashok of Bharati-land as potential 1st, 2nd, 3rd cousins and in-laws with each other - and sharing many of the same Macedonian-Grecian and Bharati ancient faith concepts !!!!
It is said, and has been shown, that many of Jesus' teachings have direct near-quotes of such ancient faith concepts of original Buddhism, and that true Judaism, true Christianity, and true Buddhism (and maybe others ...) all stem from this ancient, once-common faith, now denigrated into religious factions.
So Saky amuni and/or Ammonius Saccas, they were all part of a more ancient and simplistic spiritual faith, now badly distorted and needs to be returned to prominence. East does meet West, and West and East can have all things in common when properly understood - without the modernity of academic lies and religious heresy.
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when/if one understands that the true and ancient faith-system is not that of what we are told today by modern (and factious) religion, but that there was a common faith, in which this mother-faith (or father-faith) was the real source of gnosis and sentient awareness ... such would be all the many worldwide Mystery Schools teaching the same concepts and processes in different national languages and metaphorical speech.
'The Man Of Light In Iranian Sufism', Henri Corbin. The Indo European Ishmaelian Gnosis. Translated from French by Nancy Pearson. A 40+ year member of the Gurdjieff Foundation.
Why does almost no one in Christian circles know that Origen was an OG Neoplatonist and definitely not a Christian?
Thank you so much for sharing such wisdom.
“The Oera Linda book” (1876), available in archive.org, tell us the origin of the Scythians in Punjab (PDF Page 19, book page xiii) and much more.
Such an incredible video thanks, love the history lecture!
A quick look at Scythian art, and some of the depictions look eerily similar to what present day Hindu depictions of the Pandavas in the Mahabharata were like.
Great intro to the subject, thank you Ken for this literal golden nugget of knowledge. I was always curious what type of spiritualism the elites of ancient times practiced (not the watered down follow the rules and be a good slave doctrine taught to the rest of the peasants).
Also tin foil hat time could it be that Scythian bloodlines still exist today and are the ones controlling major industries? A cursory reading shows that European nobility claimed Scythian descent and the way they structured their society is sort of similar to western society. (Again this comes from a very cursory read on the subject.)
P.S. They also sound just like the mongols (living in the steppes, horseback archers, trade along the Silk Road).
with a title like that, you have my full attention 👀
Wow, great lesson! Any book recommendations on Ashok period?
Interesting video.
The Behistun Rock holds the key as to who the sarocus or Sacan are.Henry C. Rawinson is credited for successfully deciphiring the old Persian signs.The three languages were Babylonian, Elamite and Persian and contains an inscription from Darius the Great 515 BC. The Persians called them Sakka as did the Elamite, The Babylonians called them Gimiri verified by L.W. King and R.C. Thomson..British Museum.
It would be great to watch an Episode where you will explain us, where did These all started.
Before all off that, I hope we will have the opportunity.
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Mind blowing. So both Buddha and Ammonius are of potentially the same lineage. Many of the Ionian thinkers to my understanding were of a Scythian lineage as well.. The fire worship of Heraclitus was the corner stone of other Scythian systems, such as Zoroastrianism. What is it about these people that allowed them to elucidate such wisdom???
maybe possible, who knows
Greetings Ken. I have to add that based on what I have heard, it seems like the ancients were far more interested in the amplification of their consciousness as opposed to just gathering ideas to know.
Though, even the "idea" of amplifying the consciousness is something that can be known, actually effecting the amplification of consciousness led to all the amazing ways of life of the most amazing ancients in our world who did everything but pollute the world like fools like we do as modern humans.
Am I offbase here?
I wish he would say the names he's referencing clearly. I have to go back and slow the video speed.
Everytime he gets to a bit I'm waiting for, he seems to say it fast, mumbled and quietly.
I mean no disrespect, I do love your brain and intellect.
I'm not a smart person, but your videos and information make more sense to me than anything I've ever been taught.
Thank you for your time and knowledge, if you see this.
I want to organize a ‘summer conference’ on intro to advanced metaphysics of making your mind grow...lasts for a week (on or near your property or the town) where you speak and we ask questions. Give us a 20 book reading list, everyone can read at least three so the group mind will have plenty to contribute. I will help organize
im so busy, i cant do that
You probably already know,
But just in case,
Check out Robert Sepehr's channel - an in dependent archeologist
Very good Bro. I am watching video from Antikythera mechanism reconstituted Jo marchant, the little thing is a stellar gps, made by the greeks, in some part of the video you can see perfectly when you say the center can hold everything, i learning a lot how the mechanical celestial works. Thanks for everything SIR.
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A wonderful little dissertation. Ideas you say,sorta like today for some.Ive read Osho some.One of his stories places Alexander in India.He taught some retroduction,neti neti via negativa. The Scandahoovian Schvendish Scythian Sage Guru Guy musta got around for those days!! So lucky to have found this site,fascinating man you are Ken!Hope your sunburn healed up quickly. Just getting good weather now.All my best wishes!😎
Just read: "transcendence begins when all desires end." I have one desire with zero control of it - to understand things, learn. Now, I feel like I'm chasing a carrot on a stick! This is some evil black magic!
Should read the Oera Linda book and see what you think
Hey Ken, would you say the Scythians were blonde haired and pale like Germanic and Anglo Saxon people (not all obviously) or would you say the Scythians were more olive toned and dark haired like the Iranians?
theyre described in the Digha nikaya book 1
@@KenTheoriaApophasis which sutta if I may ask?
Ken, read the Celtic Druids, by Godfrey Higgins, written about 1800, I think he proves everything came from India and Tibet area.
Thank you, I would never have been able to make that connection. Guess it doesn't come off as a greek name anyhow but I never delved deeper on that.
Great video again !
Thanks again!
I enjoyed this video, Ken. Thank you! Very cool to think about the meetings of minds in ancient times.
Amazing. I remember a few months ago you mentioned a book about Scythian Gnosticism. I really wish you would share the title and author of this book.
I think the one you mean is:
Sethian Gnosticism and the Platonic Tradition (Bibliotheque Copte De Nag Hammadi Section "Etudes") John D. Turner
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So, could this Scythian Teachers be the Hyperboreans? Because in the old Buddhist text they mention Hyperboreans as the ones that taught them the knowledge...
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who destroyed those ideas? Christianity with the arrival of Byzantine empire.
Roger Sturr has interesting photos of a laser light thru a venturi. His descriptions are lacking. Can you shed some light on what he is showing?
As I understand, the original definition of the term "pagan" is: *country-dweller* as in one who lives in close association with Nature and with the Natural world. Is this correct?
Hell yeah, even as a not-idiot, it's hard to find good explanations of this stuff. Legit streams dude ty
Do you know who Alan watt is? Listen to Alan Watts discussions into metaphysics. He was a truth-seeker and investigator as well that would do lengthy podcasts onto the state of the world. You are an extremely intelligent man, however I think you could learn a lot from Alan Watt.
I will always remember you! Ty sir!
Might "Ammonius" be the Latin transliteration of Greek "Ammonias" meaning "from the temple of Amun (Ammon) at Siwa in Egypt" that Alexander the Great visited?
Could you give the precise reference to how Ammonius is derived from a classical Greek word meaning "teacher" ?
ammonis comes from the egyptian god amun who is equivocated w iupiter who could come off as a teacher of some sorts. the connection is very unsubstantiated.
Theres a current idea that the ancient Scythians were the early Khazarians, who extorted money from traders on the earlier Silk Road and later converted to Judaism. Do you agree???
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Thanks, Ken, you have a good philosophical background. It will be great if you give us series of lectures starting with ancient Buddism, Vedas, Sumerian philosophy, and follow by Egyptian and Greek philosophers. The apex of human knowledge is Giordano Bruno and Hegel. The picture of the World you can finish with my book "Theory of Everything in Physics and The Universe"
Quite interesting. Scythe, scythian, Saxonya, Transoxanya, The Saxs, Osetya (now in Russia), Central Asia and to the north, into whats called now Syberia and far beyond to the east and the west, all this region, including Seven Rivers, which is considered the cradle of scythian culture (who the hell knows exactly) is scatered with burial mounds of different sizes, which are very impresive. Have seen and touched myself those sharp arrow points from ’bronze era’ ,which were more appreciated than gold and used as amulets, as estimated by the remains of big mounds being robbed and sacked just for the purpose of getting those same valuable arrow points, leaving gold, gems, silver intact. Pretty interesting cause many words, including whole phrases sound almost equally in slavic languages and hindu. Your channel is like an oasis sorrounded by a dessert of crap ad intellectual emptyness that have filled this platform the last decade.
What was it about these people that gave them such incredible cultural breakthroughs.. Soma perhaps??
@@TheRoyalFlush Heck knows )) but unleashing the pineal gland by means of ingesting some substances has being a well known method in the past as a way to conquer and transform the material world. Everything is possible if the imagination is unblocked.
@@whocares8173 Yup exactly. And if you study the scythian religion, you will see they were deep into Soma or as they called it 'Homa' and cannabis. The MAOI/DMT admixture seems to be the literal alchemical elixir that humanity has lost contact with.
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Ammonius saccas . -- sacca (am) monius -- Shakyamuni (buddha )
What relation ?
Nagarjuna ( Second Shakyamuni ) and Ammonius saccas lived in the same era .
As you already know King Ptolemy was a Macedonian appointed by Alexander the Great as the ruler of Egypt. If Ptolemy was with Alexander during the conquest of India that would account for his knowledge of "Buddishm". Just speculating.
Well this is a theory but it doesnt really make sense if you place it in the historical context of the mostly greek speaking Roman Alexandria. Even if he was Scythian (connoting Aryan Indian) why would the Greeks use the foreign pronunciation (Shakya paraphrased to Saccas-Σακκάς) and not the greek pronunciation ( Σκύθης-Scythian in english)?
Also regarding whether he was Christian or not, you only presented what Porphyry said on the matter.The problem is that Porphyry was vehemently antichristian.There are some Christian writers claiming that Ammonius was Christian as well.
Porphyry writes in his biography of Plotinus that Plotinus attempted to travel to India after finishing as a student with Ammonius Saccas (or perhaps after Saccas died). Plotinus was unable to reach India because the caravan, led by Emperor Gordian, had internal difficulties and Gordian was assassinated. But it speaks to your main point; Plotinus was on his way to India to follow up on the teachings Plotinus received from Saccas. Circumstances intervened and Plotinus ended up in Rome; a good fortune for the West. // I'm a bit skeptical of your reading of the name of Ammonius Saccas. I'm wondering if there are other usages in the Greek of that time that interpret 'Saccas' as 'Scythian'. I'm not saying your reading is wrong, I'm just hesitant without some further material. Thanks for the intriguing video.
Thanks for sharing
more of theses videos please!!!
Wow.
Thanks Ken, I love ancient history but know little of ancient philosophy.
Ken I woullove to hear what you know about the ancient greek pagan religion. As its nearly immpossiblr to get any relable information on this. Love your channel. Keep making great content and sharing wisdom
Pagan=Pay again and again and again and again....
Pagar in spanish means pay
Coincidentally, Diana's car in which she travelled in hit the 13th pillar.
oooh Ilove it when you talk metaphysics xx Id love to see you debate quantum physics with Brian Cox!
Important information as usual! From what I gather, if you want to know the origin of something, look to the Middle East...
i watched this video for the 2nd time. mind blown for the 2nd time hahaha
The biggest problem is that we obviously are a part of the Creation....but we continually refuse to acknowledge we are created. Instead of following our one and only true Father we follow some evil bastards and make them our Father or King and they divide us up with imaginary boundary lines and we all conform to the lie and beg for more rules to govern us....and on top of that we beleive we can put price and imaginary 'value' on the whole of creation when in fact anyone claiming to have created something has really only rearranged or recreated by using materials that they did not create....and when the Landlord comes back to check on the Tennents of Earth people will beg the rocks to hide hide them and drop dead from fear...but still they will refuse to repent and be saved for their heart are like stone and the earth is full of dead carcasses......😷
It's difficult to digest the truth that our cup must be cleaned.
@@jamesmoreland3736 Yes and with that comes the realization that we all have something that does not belong to us in our possession...we are possessed as long as we hold on to it and only when we let it go will we gain back our Birthright and come out of our error to emerge as an heir😀 Make yourself a fact by claiming your given first Christian name and renouncing your claim on the State owned last surname...and the fictional at law entity that they created by joining the two names together that we've all been tricked into thinking is our identity...when in fact birth certificates and S.S cards when first being issued in mass had the words 'do not use for personal identification' and the S.S. cards still tell you clearly on the back whose property you are mistakenly in possession of...give them back what is theirs to get what is yours...loose your life to gain it😀
Exactly. Well said.
Awesome video!!!
Thankz!
Can you talk about Atlantis sometime? I heard you reference it in one of your videos on the golden ratio
The silk road and the city of Alexandria. People called me a retard for bringing up this.
The 'J' in Arjuna isn't silent, so why would it be in Yajnavalkya? Seems consistent in Hindu context, not Scandinavian
Lovely!
Do you think Ammonius Saccas knew about the Samkhya school?
I would like to hear about quantum computers and what they can do. I've heard some really wild things about them.
Wow! I never knew this. Thanks!
Didn't the Aryan rode down to the area on their horses?
Please do a podcast Ken please please please. I want to hear you on SiriusXM and Spotify.
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A.S. also taught origen, damn sad we have nothing of A.S. to read. if the Vatican has his stuff they need to do the right thing and give it back to us.
Tagann Múinteoir Scotaċ aṁáin.
9:06 it sounds like that bc the way you’re pronouncing it. you’re not pronouncing most of the indian stuff properly.
Just found this video. Really interesting. Don't take offense but you sound like Lindsey Graham lol. Hope all is well.
🙏Ken Good day and I appreciate you
Massive error. Jesus taught all sins are forgiven by believing he was the lamb of God. Purely by faith as Paul explains very clearly in Romans.
I like this channel but hate his smarmy mannerisms lol. Ptah
this is so cool
this is the least vague content ive seen on your channel, and i think i watched over 2000
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Logic is missing as a sophisticated philosophical topic in the west until Kurt Goedel. Compared to him, Aristotle is a piker. However, the sages of 9th through 11th century Kashmir, India, Vasugupta, Somananda, Utpaladeva and Abhinavagupta, whose writings are available in excellent English, German, Italian, and French translations discuss logic extensively and show that Intuition invariably relieves the Soul from mortal logic and exposes the Soul to the Mind of the Infinite Creative Power, the Soul's Higher Self. Do yourself the unimaginal satisfying pleasure to round out your exceptional erudition. Thank you for your delicious sacrifice for our benefit. Of course, in Las Vegas they say: Don't thank me, just give me the f*****ng money. Young, beautiful women send me friend requests via the face of you know what book, because I attach my name to my comments, but I am 83, over the hill, and provide no threat to the established delusions, should be dead of natural causes within 15 or 20 years, so please restrain yourselves. They need to read Socrates' Apology as reported by Plato. In it he said: "What i do not know, I do not think I know." No one in the west seems to have benefitted by Socrates' position. Even you, dear Theoria, could benefit a bit, though not much. You are humble, though not quite as humble as Socrates. Of course, I am not humble at all.
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