Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan (3/8) Movie CLIP - Old and Worn Out (1982) HD
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Kirk (William Shatner) ponders the life he could have had with his former love, Carol Marcus (Bibi Besch).
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Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is fondly regarded as being the closest in spirit to the 1966-69 TV series that spawned it. Admiral Kirk (William Shatner) escapes the tedium of a desk job to join Mr. Spock (Leonard Nimoy) and Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy (DeForest Kelley) on another space mission. While boldly going where no man etc. etc., Kirk crosses the path of his old enemy Khan (Ricardo Montalban), who as any die-hard Trekker can tell you, was the chief antagonist in the 1966 Trek TV episode "Space Seed." Leading a crew of near-savage space prisoners, Khan insinuates himself into the Genesis Project, which is designed to introduce living organisms on long-dead planets. Intending to harness this program for his own despotic purposes, Khan engages in battle with the Enterprise crew.
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TM & © Paramount (1982)
Cast: William Shatner, Bibi Besch
Director: Nicholas Meyer
Producers: Harve Bennett, William F. Phillips, Robert Sallin
Screenwriters: Harve Bennett, Nicholas Meyer, Gene Roddenberry, Jack B. Sowards, Samuel A. Peeples, Ramon Sanchez
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Shatner’s performance here is wonderful. He often gets made fun of for his over-the-top-acting but in my opinion he’s amazing at subtle things like this. Just look at his face and you can see the pain and sadness of meeting his adult son after missing out on his entire childhood. Remarkable.
Totally agree!
Shatner's a great actor. But like Nic Cage, he just...makes some bizarre acting choices sometimes lol. But we love it.
A lot of people ham on Shatner‘s acting, but in this film I think he really shines. In this scene, where both he and Carol seem to have feelings of regret, and wishing that things have been different for them, and also the way Kirk says “No..” after Spock dies, it’s just heart wrenching.
Absolutely
This is probably THE most important scene in the entire movie. It summarizes the entire emotional center of the film. Wrath of Khan is NOT about Khan's desire for revenge, but Kirk's own feelings of age and time catching up with him, and life passing him by. This one moment is Star Trek at its absolute best.
I think I'm the same age as Kirk in this movie now. When I first saw it in what 1982? I was a little kid. I did not understand what was going on here, but now, DAMN, it hits close to home. Suddenly my wife and I no longer go to weddings, only funerals. My folks and a brother are gone, both her folks gone this year. I feel like I look so old in the mirror, and I'm starting to feel it. I certainly get how he feels here. Except for the son part. We have no kids. Still, absolutely LOVE this movie and I always will.
Me too
It's also about not being a part of his adult son's life because he never knew his son existed.
Well I mean it’s about khan too. It’s about Spock it’s about many things and it’s a great movie, but this is definitely a scene that helps get us inside kirks mind.
It is unseemly of him to be feeling old. The captains he encountered in TOS were this age or older. He was the exceptional one at the time getting a captaincy in his mid-late thirties. People like Decker or Harriman (as well as Captain Estoban from III) are the ones who aren't seasoned enough to captain a starship.
She was dead wrong to not even tell him
He knew. IDW has him meeting Carol & David at Sam's funeral.
This is what happens when you have the right director. You can get scenes like this out of Shatner.
I commended Bibi Besch for her facial acting. Gone was the bitterness as she just...listened to Kirk being vulnerable.
52 yrs old now and I feel this scene...it was powerful then and powerful now.
As a divorced father this scene makes me so emotional. FATHERS ARE REAL PEOPLE WHO LOVE THEIR KIDS. WE DESERVE TO BE A PART OF THEIR LIVES, NO MATTER HOW THE MOTHER FEELS ABOUT IT.
Amen
My parents divorced when I was very young. My father had custody. But my mother lived nearby and we were always allowed to go visit and stay over. Whenever we moved, she followed to be near her kids.
This comment deserves more likes, just like dads deserve more support.
LOL I understand your point but it doesn’t apply here because Kirk NEVER TRIED TO CHANGE. He was, is, and always will be a starship captain. This is not a criticism.
The only way to be truly great at something is that you have to sacrifice other facets of your life for the focus that one must have.
Kirk sacrificed family.
Do you think Kirk would have even entertained the mere THOUGHT of settling down??????????
A kid can’t grow up on a starship. And Carol put her foot down. I love Carol’s strong will.
@@enshk79 He did entertain the thought... Well, after he died, heh.
I went to see Star Wars Episode VII yesterday. The reunion between Han and Leia was so glaringly EMPTY of emotion or impact really. We fought the empire and fell in love with those 2 for 3 movies and now when they are reunited we get RUSHED dialogue and disinterested performances? I literally felt no emotion watching their scenes. And yet it was HAN and LEIA for God's sake!
Then I remembered this scene from Star Trek II. Think about it- we had never even HEARD of Carol Marcus before this movie and yet we have performances so charged with battered and weary emotions and dialogue so snappy that we INSTANTLY feel their pain and emotion. And this is their first scene together!
Damnit, Hollywood CAN'T MAKE SCENES LIKE THIS anymore! The Star Trek (AND Star Wars) of the 80s set the bar that may never be equaled. Thank God they can't take these movies away from us.
+greenseaships make way for the remastered hd edition of wrath of khan, where they digitally place green dancing girls next to chekov and tribbles jumping on kirks lap. and then stop producing the old version because the new edition are a bagillion times better cuz there #new.
That's the reason why Episode 7 should've been based off of the Expanded Universe novels. Those books had the emotional impact of Han and Leia and much more. Force Awakens was just a missed opportunity.
The Force Awakens is a "missed opportunity" that made a billion dollars. Don't hold your breath.
Daniel Wesley Obviously it's gonna make a lot of money. It is Star Wars after all. Also, I meant that it's a missed opportunity in terms of storytelling.
Good God, you perfectly articulated the problem in movies nowadays. I couldn't have said it better myself. There is no more emtional scenes, it's all fast action and quick cuts!! No depth at all anymore. No good dialogue or quotes anymore...
"Old and worn out", but still kicks ass
A large part of the film is about past regrets and life not turning out how you expected. How a person deals with disappointments and old hurts. Kirk chooses to live for the future, to enjoy being a starship captain again and to form a relationship with his son, even though he has lost Spock. Khan has the opportunity for a new life - he has a starship and can go anywhere he pleases, but instead he chooses to live in the past seeking revenge for old hurts and the death of his wife.
There’s also a heavy parent-child subtext going on with multiple characters to varying degrees. Kirk-David most prominently, but there’s also Khan-Joachim, Spock-Savvik, and even Scotty and Peter Preston, his nephew.
I like to imagine that Kirk accepted "ground" assignment as an admiral to reform Star Fleet and deal with the Federation bozos like those he had to deal with in TOS, but failed with it becoming more militaristic, and unable to make decisions like with regard to Genesis planet.
Chekov got to hear all of this... well, with his good ear... :p
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I remember watching this scene years ago. It was a great portrayal of decisions made and regret of what life could have been. What stuck in my mind was when Kirk says "what am I feeling? Old....worn out" I can relate now a lot better to what he was saying than when I first saw it.
The regret he should have had is not checking back on Khan who spent 15 years in a sand heap and lost the only woman he really loved
For all the actors and comedians that love to make fun of William Shatner based on "mannerisms" and "speech patterns", I would direct them to this scene and dare them to imply that William Shatner is not a good actor. Especially since in this scene, he's being vulnerable and opening up to Carol Marcus. SUPERB work.
He’s an underrated actor. When Spock died… When David died….
He’s also an excellent comedic actor.
For anyone that says Shatner can’t act, I offer exhibit A.
Seen it with a friend from high school the opening week.This is still the best Trek movie! So many one liners to remember! Even the word remember is an important line!
He actually won a Saturn Award for Best Actor for this film, not an Oscar.
Remember when Star Trek had quiet, thought-provoking moments like this instead of CGI explosions and phoned in acting? Good times.
I would point out that this is one of the highest points in Trek-dom, and that it wasn't always this good, even in this era. If Nicholas Meyer hadn't made an effort to work with Shatner on reigning in his personality as it relates to his role, I don't think his acting would've been nearly as potent in this scene.
Everyone seems want fancy instead of just simple and it works
Hell Yeah!!
One of my favorite movies of all time
Chekov: "Awkward..."
RIP Bibi Besch.🙏🙏🙏
Watch this scene. Now watch it again focusing on the fact that Chekhov is in the background listening in with one ear. You can never unsee it now.
David Marcus probably has Gary Mitchell to thank for his existence.
Yes, he does!
This this is Star Trek
it would be better if there was more pew pew pew and lens flares
Whenever I think of handling past relationships, this scene comes to mind. It's as simple as Kirk says: stay away if they aren't interested. Ive been on both sides of this approach and it works.
I'm biased, born in early 70's so grew up watching TOS reruns and loving it , but Wrath of Khan is THE best Trek movie ever.
I've honestly lost count of how many times I've watched it (much to the annoyance of my sister during school holidays mid 80's !), but this scene, after all the TV episodes where you always know/feel Kirk is top dog, this is him looking downtrodden (although *spoiler* he's not, but he's not down because of work, but personal reasons). Fantastic
Carol Marcus should‘ve let James Kirk be involved in their son David‘s childhood like when he returned to Earth after the Enterprise returned to undergo redesigning & refitting following the end of his 1st 5-year tenure in command of that starship,or the time he had been made the commandant of Starfleet Academy after his 2nd 5-year tenure was over.
Actually, David would have been about 20 when Kirk brought the Enterprise back to Earth. Kirk met Carol while at the Academy.
Silly, isn't it? In this one, she's a human being. Into Darkness has her as a Barbie.
And hotter,too.
It makes perfect sense when you consider the film makers. As my buddy Soundwave would say, "Meyer superior, Abrams inferior.
@@samkresil6011 : only reason for her in Into Darkness is quote "turn around" in this particual scene xD
Not only that she changed her accent.
What is this "Into Darkness" you mention, there is no such episode/movie in the Star Trek franchise! Nope ... does not exist!
Shakespearean level scene.
All through "into darkness" I was going "carol marcus, carol marcus... I know that name, now where did she fit in original universe?!!" remembered only on the ride home... :)
Carol Marcus could have at least told David Jim Kirk was his father.
Carol didn‘t want David to know that Jim Kirk was his father because she lost Kirk to a starship and didn‘t want hin to chase through the Universe because of the dangers there. Kirk could‘ve tried to visit his son despite her request to stay away when he was chief of Starfleet Operations while the Enterprise was being redesigned & refitted under the command of Captain Willard Decker,or while Kirk was the commandant of Starfleet Academy while Spock was in command of the Enterprise.
@@azurerainbow4637 So basically she was SELFISH ... and didnt care for the well being of the son who DESERVED to know who his father was. Behaviour like this from single mothers are destroying many children these days IRL.
He did know that Kirk was his father at the end of the movie.
It’s a movie, relax.
Nah, Chekov is out cold. He just got that horrible parasite out of his skull, which undoubtedly was extremely painful. He also endured two days under the mind control of Khan. I am sure Khan didn't care if Chekov, Terrell, and other Reliant crew members who got the Ceti eel treatment had to remain wide awake, doing his bidding for days on end. Poor Chekov was probably completely exhausted at that point and wasn't eavesdropping on anything.
Stop putting subtitles that are not synced with the movie!
Anyone else notice that the subtitles are from the wrong scene?
'I wanted him in MY world , NOT yours....but...please tell me what youre feeling'
Kirk's speech could fit with Anakin/Vader.
"There's a man out there I haven't seen in 15 years who's trying to kill me." Obi-Wan
"You show me a son that'd be happy to help him." Luke
"My son... My life that could have been...and wasn't." Padme's death
"What am I feeling? Old...worn out." The emotion of seeing all of this starting to come back despite his best efforts to move on from the past.
“I wanted our son in my world. Not chasing after the universe with his father. Tell me what you’re feeling.”
My response: “What do you care? You never told our son the truth about me or me the truth about him.“
She was selfish and kept her son for herself (not for her son’s happiness) and still had the gall to ask Kirk ANOTHER selfish question?
I shall leave you what you left me ! Buried alive !!!!!!! Lol
Turning on subtitles is great.
How would Carol Marcus feel if Jim Kirk told her that long before the Enterprise returned to Earth he married a Native American Indian woman on another planet after he got amnesia when he touched the wrong button after he fell into a temple when he contacted the Enterprise? Would Carol have felt a little jealous even if he also told her that she was pregnant with her 1st child and died when she suffered from internal injuries after she and Kirk were being stoned by her people because her husband wasn‘t a god? Even if Miramanee did live after being stoned,would Kirk take her with him to the Enterprise after his memory was restored by Spock‘s mind-meld and saved Miramanee‘s planet from an asterold with the machine from the temple he fell into? How would Kirk‘s son from his affair with Carol feel if he had a half-brother or a half-sister?
I like how easily and well place the script is: in how, the whole buildup to this confrontation that should have made Kirk look like a bad father... in one line, turns him in to the most sympathetic victim, and makes Dr. Marcus look like the most petty mom in the universe...@0:01-0:29
They act like two human beings in this scene. Because Nic Meyer is a good director and writer when it comes to Trek. With JJ Abrams, you get Carol Marcus as a fan service reference and so we can see her in her underwear for no reason.
This, for me, is one of the most powerful scenes in StarTrek. Kirk feeling the weight of his decision to be a starship captain at the cost of his relationship with Carol and David, but Kirk had to be true to himself in doing what he was born to do, even if his relationships suffered. Carol and David eventually realized that they would not want Kirk any other way.
He was Not old then at all..!
He didn’t know he’d live well into his 90s.
Kirk has a son on every planet with females
So does he have a Human/Romulan son somewhere
He has a human/Romulan son? Where? With whom?
Well, it would not be with males I would hope.
Like every true sailor ...
Take that back he does know, but David doesn't know or remembers
This movie is fantastic
Yeah right. Not all the old movies are good but this one is for sure better than the two new ones. It's got a great villain, a great story, and it deals with themes of getting older and losing. It's by far the best star trek movie.
"Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan" is the best and most entertaining of all the Star Trek movies but it unfortunately has at least 25 flaws in it. I stopped counting the flaws in it after finding those first 25 flaws.
I just notice kirk is wearing that vest in generations when he was in the nexus and had the same feelings about going back or not
in german this scene has different lines and those hit even harder.
51? Old and worn out? Haha, that's what you get for medicine from the 2180's.
2270s
What about Picard he kept kicking
The point is that he feels like he is, not that he actually is, with his regrets and decisions coming back to bite him. Hence why by the end of the movie he realizes he isn't, and that he has much more to do in life, that it's time to start living again.
She was selfish not to tell David who his Father but of course she gets the woman’s pass. If roles were reversed I wonder what Kirk would be called?
The thumbnail looked like skyler was bashing shatner for making space meth
Anyone else notice at the beginning of the scene after beaming down when Kirk fights David there’s another crewman from Regula in the background? You see him in profile once but never again.
Didn't he get vaporized by the Reliant captain?
@@PepeSylvia I had to watch again. He was gone so quickly I barely registered him getting zapped. Nobody seemed to mourn him or Tyrel, not to mention the rest of the regula. Thinking about it, if they were all dead “up there” how did David know they’d all been killed. Hmmmmm
Strange Parrallel i k ow but the part in Skyfall when they go to the house and the old geezer tells M about young Bond. It's very similar to this scene. Shame the rest of the film doesn't match up.
the subtitles are from the wrong scene
Saavik... David?😢
Kirk having a son should have been brought in much earlier in the movies. It would have been so nice to see him and his father together for a time. And this movie should have had him having a daughter, too.
That they gave a nod to the actor who played David in “undiscovered country “ was very nice.
Don't say that. Ok?
As a divorced father trying to undo mistakes from the past this scene wrecks me.
I am with you my friend
I don't like how this scene paints Carol as blinkered, selfish, and cruel and doesnt even ackowledge that fact. She unilaterally cut her son's father out of his life, wouldnt tell him who his father was, and even seems to have raised David to hate Kirk, all for very vague reasons. Theres no suggestion that she's afraid of Kirk or that he hurt her, and shes shown as a reasonable, well-adjusted individual in the rest of the film. It all makes this scene so jarring. When she snaps "how could you ask me that!?" she comes off as an unhinged jerk out of nowhere.
A better approach might have been for it to have it been made clear that this was a mutually agreed arrangement that Kirk now regrets - like giving up on fatherhood was a choice that he didnt know would haunt his older self. Would have fit perfectly with the film's reflection on aging.
Hmm, so if “we” were to say then that “if”, David had gone with his father Kirk “chasing through the universe”, would he have ended up dying in Star Trek III : The Search for Spock ?
I think he is thinking of Mirimanne as well, as he says this.
David Marcus/David Marcus
Well, "Into Darkness" takes place in 2260 and "Wrath of Khan" takes place in 2285. It's possible that Carol's personality matured in those 25 years.
LOL... no
When life was real.
I'm surprised Kirk only has one son.
Maury wasn't around by then. Otherwise we'd find at least 50 60 more.
The next scene was her saying " Let me show you something that will make you feel young again " Kirk probably said ... What you naked ?
It's a shame that they undid everything this movie set up in ST3. This really was the apotheosis of original crew Star Trek, superseded only perhaps by Undiscovered Country, which was a more formal sendoff.
I’m a prosecutor, no kids (woman had an abortion) been green lighted by drug dealers.
By life that coulda been, but wasn’t. That’s my life
is this the movie Shatner won the academy award for?
Shatner never won an Academy Award in his movie career.
These subtitles are for the wrong scene.
anyone else ever notice the "Chekov dummy" lying there holding a bandage to his ear not breathing r moving...
Five questions:
1. Did James T. Kirk have any other kids?
2. Was Dr. Mccoy the man responsible for delivering David?
3. Was David named after Dr. McCoy's father?
4. If money played a more significant role in the 24th century, do you think Jim Kirk would pay for child support?
5. When did David know that Jim Kirk was his father?
In 1 of the 3rd season episodes of Star Trek,Kirk fell into an obelisk,got amnesia and wed a woman who was dressed like a native American Indian after the Enterprise had to leave that world to try to stop a giant asteroid from colliding into that world. The woman became pregnant with Kirk‘s child,but she and Kirk were getting stoned because he had trouble getting into the temple to save the inhabitants world and she stood by his side anyway. Spock returned with a search party,restored Kirk‘s memory,opened the temple and saved the world. But his wife Miramanee suffered internal injuries with her unborn child and didn‘t make it.
1) As the other person answered, his unborn child with Miramanee was the only other offspring.
2) Almost certainly not, as this relationship would have been during Kirk's earlier officer years before he met McCoy.
3) As above probably not.
4) Absolutely, he would not have been a deadbeat dad. There are parts in various TOS episodes when he contemplates children in an allegorical way, such as the probe in "The Changeling" episode. The probe thinks of Kirk as its "mother". Kirk affectionately refers to it as "my son, the doctor." It makes me wonder how much those episodes foreshadow this event if they might have had it in mind for the future.
5) He finds out later on in the movie.
@@KaputOtter I think that David already knew that Kirk was his father, in some point Carol probably told him his identity and because Carol did not want him to be involved in his life in first place, he was pretty angry at him and starfleet that he was not there when he grew up.
Who was she to make such a decision. ....she is the bad person in this ....we have the right to make are own way .
Wrong subs on this clip
How would Kirk‘s former love,Carol Marcus,have felt if she heard that Kirk had married a Native American Indian woman on another planet while he had amnesia after falling into a temple during his communication with the Enterprise and touching the wrong button on a machine there and that a few weeks later Miramanee died when she got internal injuries while pregnant with her 1st child because she stood by his side after he was proved to be a false god? Even if Miramanee lived through that ordeal,would Kirk take her with him and what would he do if those 2 women met?
Miramanne was rhe love of his life.
I disagree. The movie is all about Khan and not Kirks hangups. Read To Reign In Hell to get a better idea of Khan. Also the girlfriend and son were not used in subsequent movies.
Hey, Kirk saved the galaxy many times over! He made the right choice.
Yes, all this was largely Kirk's fault for never checking on them. Very cruel thing to do.
Actually, you don't know the back story. Carol asked him to stay away, and Kirk agreed, because he was young, foolish, and thinking of his career.
I love this scene, it is as realistic as it gets a satire of sorts, the ego of "science" science the false god condemning the "soldier" when the results of what science has created is death for all.... the reality is to real.......
Carol wasn’t really a nice character, was she. Ok, she and Kirk were separated, but he at least deserved to see David ( and not just for the last year or so of David’s life!)
They both were career driven, she told him that in this scene, its not like he did not know about his existence, but he was also known as womanizer and this was probably part of the reason why she did not want to be invoved with him in longterm. Kirk was not exactly type of family guy. Not mention that we do not know how many childs he did during his five year missions xD.
Does William Shatner have a son? Just asking.....grandkids ok.
Think he has three daughters.
Shatner only has daughters. No sons.
The worst thing that could have haopened to Kirk, a woman.
One of the biggest crimes of star trek into darkness was not having Kirk and Carol in a relationship at all. They had like one scene where alice eve gets bikini shot. Its pathetic
They were trying to set that idea up for future films but they didn’t knew how to include her in Star Trek beyond which is ridiculous considering what Kirk was going through.
Carol was a crap mother in this movie...why keep him away from his son
Is this really some baby mama drama in a Star Trek movie? Skip!
I loved this movie but this scene made me annoyed. She asked Kirk to stay away which he did and his reward for doing so is to be attacked by a young man who he does not know is his son (neither does the son know) and now she asks what is he thinking?! Smh females
Its never enough for them
I have serious problems with this part of the story but I don't blame "females". Rather I blame the writers of the movie.
It's just unrealistic. I think that any mother who is willing to carry a child to term is going to be at least interested in having the father in its life as much as he is capable of it, especially when he's as basically a good man as Kirk is. Kirk is not perfect, but he does NOT strike me as someone who would be a deadbeat dad. He wouldn't settle down in the "white picket fence" way, but he would at least calm down on the flirting and I really think he'd have spent quality time with his son as much as he could in between missions.
Add to that the fact that Carol Markus is a new character introduced in this movie, she's not someone we ever knew from TOS, and the whole thing feels so contrived simply to give Kirk this "oh god, I'm old" ennui. There's a lot about WoK that's pretty good but this particular facet of it stretches my suspension of disbelief.
@@KaputOtter Why is this so unrealistic? Both of them were career driven. There was clearly mutual decision and he agree with that. And during this time he thought that it was right decision since he want to be starfleet captain and not a parent. Only in Star trek II. retrospectively regret this, however he admitted he did what she wanted. He had about 20 years to change his decision, he did not. Carol did not represent specific character in TOS, she represent all his conquest during that time. And Meyer with Bennett want to show Kirk personality during that era and little bit nail main problem of TOS did not deal with consequences of character actions and same time, they show ensence of Kirk during that era as a counterpoint to Kirk presented in Star trek II.
I think that Mayer and Bennett did terrific job on and Shatner sold it in this scene. A