Babylon 5 Original Effects in 4K 24p
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- UPDATE: Please consider throwing Tom Smith some money on Patreon. He is the guy who has been re-rendering these shots from the old Lightwave 3D source files: / b5scrolls
All credit to the original visual effects artists at Foundation Imaging and Netter Digital who made television history, and to Tom Smith who has been meticulously re-rendering these classic animation files in HD: / @tomsmith6107
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I would buy a 4K re-release of the entire series in an instant. Even if it was just the space effects
I'm with you! Unfortunately, I don't think we're ever going to see that. It's my understanding that it was shot on video, so there isn't a piece of film from which to take a high resolution digital scan. And the effects were done with a video toaster, and there are no models available for the any of the modern rendering software. So someone would have to recreate ALL of the models and textures and then redo all of the shots and effects. It's definitely doable, but it would take a LOT of effort and wouldn't be cheap.
@@johnjorgensen6882 This explanation makes me more knowledgeable, but also makes me more sad.
@@Concord003 I know... me too.
@@johnjorgensen6882 Not quite right. This video is made from the original scene files and mostly original models and textures. And it is rendered in a vintage version of Lightwave that would have been used near the end of the show's run. Many of the assets still exist, and re-renders at higher resolutions are possible in many cases.
@@BobbyD262 Very nice! Well... maybe there is some hope that they would do that for the whole series.
I'd pay real money to have B5 remastered with this level of re-rendering for the effects and the live action film that was shot. It's the vfx that's in the way of a proper remaster. This is STUNNING!!!!! Wish I could give it a thousand thumbs up!
For me the detailing in the panelling for the remastered vfx look too pronounced. The clarity now I find a little off-putting, especially for the station at 1:13.
No kidding. That was just freaking awesome. I would pay as well!
Just added my thumbs up to your cause.
If you are serious about this, then you can start a kickstarter for that.
#metoo
RIP Mira Furlan.
That show has lost so many of the cast members, long before their time.
@@Marc-dm1fh That's true !.. What a loss ! :-(
What happened to her?
@@henrikg1388 According to Furlan's manager, she died at her home in Los Angeles due to complications from the West Nile virus.
@@ZLOY_63_RUS Jeez. How in God's name did she contract the West Nile disease. Not exactly a common thing among Westerners. Thanks for the reply, anyhow!
Studio: "there will never be a remastered version of B5, the digital effects are too hard to reproduce" Internet: "Hold my beer"
Also HBO: we have streaming service for Poland, but no, we won't make Babylon 5 available in any form there, because it's too expensive.
Poles: Where's my torrent client?
I would buy HBO subscription literally the same day I saw B5 being available here. I don't want to grab a pirate , so for now I just hold to my memories. But eventually I may lose my patience and do what most of my sci-fi loving friends are doing :(
@@Krzysztof_Lis I know it's old fashioned but just get a DVD player and buy the whole set. If you can.
@@johncee853 I know, it's theoretically possible to privately import it but even a used copy is at least 120 USD with shipping, with customs fee and VAT tax it will be coming close to 200 USD, plus dvd drive for my PC (I don't have a TV). That's a 30mo HBO or 50mo Netflix subscription for DVDs alone. Or put in other way, a 3rd of my monthly salary. Very high price for an outdated product. I'm a fan, but not a fanboy. I would be willing to pay as much for a remaster, but not for old dvd-version. BTW, DVD-version is circulating here in mkv format, whole series fitting into 64GB pendrive or sd card, together with fan-made subs in several languages. Star Trek TNG also did a few years ago, now it's gone, because every trekkie I know got Netflix sub and is watching TOS and TNG remasters, along with DS9, ENT and Disco.
Actually i think it could be more problematic in scenes with human characters inside...
This is Babylon 5; the correct response is "Hold my Spoo." ;-)
Rest in Peace, Mira, Jerry, Michael, Stephen,Richard, Jeff, Andreas and all the actors which died way to young. And I love this material.
Man, just reading that list hurts. So many people that became like good friends over the years of the show...gone way, way too early.
Yes...😞
When watching B5 back in the 90's we had to do the upscaling in our HEADS!
this was cutting edge in the early 90's what are you talking about? lol
I get what you mean.
Funny but true!
I think the same.
watching it on my 27" Zenith CRT TV it always looked fine 🤣
@@LeMMingSlayeR lol crt
Anyone else here to pay respects to the fabulous Mira? And of course The Vorlons in 4K!
ME ALWAYS AND TO ALL WE HAVE LOST. BUT THIS IS INCREDIBLE.
Phenomenal job. Babylon 5 > Than any other Sci fi show ever
Really? I tried watching several episodes over the years, and always thought it was just awful.
@@unbannablebob395 I wouldn't say Expanse is better, but it's certainly one of the top 2 sci fi shows with Babylon 5. Mainly because it's based on some books so there's a good story that is constantly moving.
@@unbannablebob395 the expanse has a slow start with the first few episodes....but after that it just turns godlike. Especially if you like realistic space flight/combat. Well, about as realistic as it can get while still being sci fi
@David Rapp I thought The Expanse was going to be something extraordinary during season 1 and enjoyed every second of it. It had everything, a Garibaldi-like character playing a space cop on a space station similar to Babylon 5, other interesting characters, lore / world building, politics a grand plot with a huge mystery. Unfortunately, the conclusions to the plots from season 1 in season 2 turned out to be less than satisfying to me and then they started to introduce new flat, uninteresting characters with weak cast. The actress playing Roberta Draper for example, can barely speak and don't even get me started on the generic Asian characters and their plot that went absolutely nowhere, I don't even remember their names. At least season 4 had Adolphus Murtry.
@@JAnx01 I think the cast is pretty stellar to be honest. The Expanse has taken the cake for being one of my favorite science fiction shows. As a kid, I grew up with Babylon 5 and DS9, then enjoyed BSG and now The Expanse. I can't think of too many shows like that that captured my attention fully.
Still love these effects and designs. They STILL stand up even after all this time. One thing I loved about B5 designs was that they looked like they were actually made. Like, manufactured properly. You could see each plate of metal on every hull, and because not every plate is absolutely identical, there was shading differences, or differences in metal hue. They weren't seamless, smooth items; they were built from physical parts, with seams, defects, flaws, etc. Very real, at least to me.
Shadow ships are still the scariest thing in space though. Can move in any direction, any facing, fire from any side or piece, hull material constantly reconfiguring and bubbling.... And their scream. And the cutter beam they fire... I never realized just how malicious their attack on that Narn base was; they were done with the planetary base, and they came back to cruelly dice the remains of the orbital base into shattered rubble.
I disagree, those effects haven't stood the test of time at all
Amazing! My wife and I never missed an episode. It was and is one of the best Sci-Fi shows ever produced: smart, great over-arching story line intersected by numerous smaller story arcs, deep character development, with true vision and mission.
when i saw it back in the day i never ever skipped all the intro's of all 5 seasons. Though i must have rewatched it a few times lol.
The space ship design in this show is the best I've ever seen, even now.
I really like the TOS Movie era and the TNG era of Trek, but I agree about B5. I still remember how exciting it all seemed when it was new!
Nah Expanse has the best and most realistic designs.
couldnt agree more. particularly the shadows. they're just so unique and look so alien. they give off this sense of being far beyond any science we even understand. its the same with all the races in the show really, you can look at their ships and kind of tell how old they are. or how young in the case of the human ships.
I couldn't wait for the next episode each week. Them days I remember well.
The space ship designs and variety in B5 were among the best ever.
But particularly the Shadow ships were probably the scariest looking ships ever designed.
They were a moment of genius imo.
If the budget and today's technology had allowed at the time they could have been the up there with Ripley's alien.
And speaking of aliens, the actual Shadows themselves were such a brilliant creation and a breath of fresh air from yet another humanoid alien species.
They really could have done so much more with them using today's technology.
Babylon 5 was so ambitious for it's time and the limitations of their budget.
I believe every episode was made for around ⅓ of the cost for an episode of STDS9.
It looks it in places but I still love B5 so much more.
One of the best SIFI sagas written. Ever! RIP Mira.
what does rpm status mean on the star fury?
@@raven4k998 Revolutions per minute
@@shiftstart shame there wasn't a number there it would have been more sick if it read 5000000 on the starfury hud
Shadow Battle Crabs still give me the creeps, wondering what they would look like if there was a modern reinterpretation of them?
The Reapers, but uh er, with black paint
Battle Crabs? Really? I remember reading that the designer of that vessel based it on a dream that he had about black window spiders.
@@Venezolano410 Ya, sorry. I also originally called it the Shadow Spider Ship, but I started playing the official Babylon 5 Wars game and in the Shadows expansion, they referred to it as a Shadow Battle Crab.
@@RangerXML I think they were always referred that way. I remember the word crab, never spider.
@@jamesaron1967 In the show itself they are just called Shadow “ships” or “vessels”, all references to spiders and crabs were from Babylon 5 fan websites back in the day. The groups I chatted with called them Spiders, then when they were released prior to the Shadow War expansion on the Agents of Gaming website (they released ships on the website for the game as PDFs), it was called Battle Crab.
It is g*d-d*mned criminal that WB is too f*cking lazy to remaster the best Sci-Fi show ever on TV and put it out on Blu-Ray!
GORGEOUS, INCREDIBLE! AND THE DEVINE MUSIC BY CHRIS FRANKE.
Is this the B5: Into The Fire music? (ITF was the abandoned video game by Sierra On-Line)
Lightwave and Amiga 3000s comes to mind!!
@parallax3d
To loosely quote the late great Stan Winston; "those are just tools. they do absolutely nothing without a skilled artist."
RIP Mira Furlan she will always be in our hearts and prayers
So that is how the thing that Warner repeatedly said is impossible looks ;)
Yes, exactly...this is what the impossible looks like, and likely accomplished on a budget lower than Warner's bill for their executive's lunch.
@parallax3d LOL Yeah, in a lot of way...it IS great. You know, the funny thing is that when I remember scenes from B5, I remember them as being so much better than they actually were...LOL
its a literal sin that WB wont take the time to re-render all the CGI for this show. I'm sitting here getting teary eyed watching this. I wish my mom was still alive so i could show her this, she loved this show as much as I did.
How does computers being more powerful help though. Scenes render faster, sure, but you still have to create the scenes from scratch. Only a handful of scene files have survived from S2 and S3, which you can "just render", but the entire show has probably 15-20 hours worth of CGI across 5 seasons. That's 10 feature films worth of CGI to recreate. It doesn't happen by just pushing a button, that's going to take enormous amounts of man power and years to create. And that's the simple part with pure CGI shots, then we have the issue of huge number of composite shots.
@@dominantprime And yet the producers of Star Wreck did exactly that with a handful of regular PCs and a lot of time and effort producing high quality replica models of Omegas, Starfuries, a Victory and Babylon 5 itself.
@@zephyr8072 Yes, a lot of time. It took them 7 years to do the CGI for a 90 minute film. At that pace they could get the B5 effects done in about 70 years.
@@dominantprime Remembering they were students on a budget of nothing..
@@zephyr8072 sure. Fail to see your point though. Student or not, it's gonna take them 70 years. A proper CGI company with a full crew, it's gonna take them at least a year per season. There's no magic button that makes it happen instantly, just because "computers are so powerful now", which is the whole point here.
Hardware hacker: “hey, I turned up the power on this blu-ray laser diode, and look at how much paper it can cut through now!”
Shadow: “hold my beer!”
Still the best sci-fi series of all time... and I'm a big fan of the Expanse, but it's just not quite on the same level.
I think what makes Babylon 5 so unique is the continuity from episode to episode from season to season. J Michael straczynski had a vision and he was allowed to actually follow through writing the entire series and directing. One of the nice things with the continuity of the actors in the series is the relationships you see developed are real.
@@JohnRodriguesPhotographer Amazing what kind of story can be told for the fans, when the studio just steps out of the way, and lets the writer create his vision without interference.
God, I LOVED that show. 90+hours of the lord of the rings in space. Just magnificent.
I've always found, since animations where a bit more rudimentary, a bit less nimble perhaps, it always looked more like I'd imagine large objects in space would behave. Not dancing around like small aircrafts in air, but rather static and heavy.
I think I read that ILM would shoot some Star wars model shots overkranked to get the exact effect you're talking about.
The Babylon 5 crew actually consulted physicist to get the precise motions of the ships and the space station. Especially if you were to actually build bit Babylon 5 it would rotate precisely how you see in the TV series. The size and rotation were calculated to give Earth normal gravity. NASA actually got permission to explore and possibly build a ship based on the star Fury four youths with the International Space Station. They said the design made more sense than anything they had came up with.
@@JohnRodriguesPhotographer Why am I not surprised? LOL
Wow, that looks amazing. I wish they would release the series on blu-ray with this as the CGI.
@David Rapp They have but although the SFX scenes look much better the live action as suffered colour wise I think.
@David Rapp Nope. The cost is not worth the return.
@David Rapp Not that easy, someone still has to set things up, kick off the renders, and then double check everything at the end. That's still going to take people because there's no way you could do that with just one person. That's assuming you can even simply, push a button and have it done automatically which I strongly suspect is not possible.
@David Rapp a big part of the problem is that any live shot with sfx in it was shot directly to digital tape for cost reasons, so unlike film, you can't just rescan it.
Not going to happen, very few people buy and watch DVDS and Blu-Rays now in the western world and most new TV shows and Films are only released digitally. This looks excellent up could only happen and work on a steaming or VOD format provider. Studios are not going to spend big money on a physical release that very few, if any people would buy. Things change. The simple fact is that nothing released via disk has any hope of selling successfully.
Beautiful!! I know is tall order but perhaps JMS together with fans, can make a deal with the studio and do a kickstarter for a remaster
I would love to see some of these updates make their way over to the fanedit community... I know the biggest problem are the composite shots, as these do not exist in higher resolution. HOWEVER, the possible way around those are to REDUCE them in size and create a wider shot around them... thus, when we are in a travel tube, we see more of the travel tube (creating a new effect) and put the old effect at the center in smaller form... similar to the old film technique of painting glass (matte paintings) around a live scene.
Star Wars did this film technique, and it is detailed in "Star Wars Behind The Scenes - Matte Paintings - Star Wars The Digital Collection"
Conceptually, we could take the existing scene, reduce it to its best clarity, and fill in the space around it with matching effects to make it "feel" high definition.
Amazing!!!! I'm looking forward to the reboot! If it happens?
Great upload!
Thanks to the writings(Lightwave Pro magazine, Usenet) of people like Ron and Mojo, I picked up all these neat techniques early on(doing stuff like explosions, wormholes, shockwaves, shields i.e with just one-point polys, morphs, procedurals and deforming geometry) used in the show. I was able to apply a lot of it later at Amblin and other studios.
Great time! Much fun was had, despite the long hours and lost weekends. ;)
I did the same thing! But I never really got into 3D animation professionally (I became a videographer/editor). I'm diggin' all your insights. Do you still have any Seaquest assets you can share, or even re-render like this?
@@BobbyD262
Maybe I'll put something presentable together.
I have some complete ships(or rather subs), some structures, some fragments of environments and terrain(nothing of it complete). A lot of scenes with placeholders instead of objects attached to them. Some composite shots with missing background/foreground plates as well as all of the explosion/fire footage missing(part of some stock collection). All this due to how content was stored and archived. You never had all of the models and scenes locally on your machine, but instead pointed at different content folders on a central server.
@Neb6
Yes, something like that. They came from the Pyromania collections by VCE Films. I think every studio had these back in the 90s.
I'd pay 5 times what I paid to Amazon for every episode from both shows and every movie in 4K. It's gorgeous simply gorgeous. Just a shame we've lost so many of the cast.
I'm watching the latest remastered release with "upscaled cgi" and it looks naff. If they still have the original lightwave scenes why the hell didn't they re-render them for the bluray. Compared to todays cgi, many of these models have less poly's than found in games nowadays couldn't have taken that much rendertime/cost to do but it looks much better than simply upscaled original videotoasted cgi.
Great show, don't let the, arguably too-early-for-3D level cgi deter you. Thoroughly enjoying rewatching it after all this time.
The Sharlins, Vorlon craft, Narn and Centauri ship designs hold up well enough, but that Narn station needs a remodel, Shadow crab-o-wars need better materials/shaders, and White Stars (thankfully not featured here) just need a completely different design to look good outside of SD.
Beautiful work. The only issue I have is the Shadow vessels; despite how they're depicted in the show, they're described as pitch black. I know this makes it difficult to see the organic texturing, but is there a way to make it less...sparkly and reflective?
The Babylon Project was our last best hope for peace...It failed.
Damn why didn't the HBO versions use this technique. This looks amazing.
Cost - it would cost nearly as much to redender the footage as it would to make new footage from scratch for an completely different show - perhaps if they set up a pipeline to do it - such as made a side story set in the same universe that could get some people in place to do it then it might be feasible "eventually" as I mentioned in another post there is a shot deconstruction tech available now that can make CGI Meshes movements and shot plans out of finished footage that helps the process a fair bit - so I'd say well ask again in 2027 and it might be perfectly feasible to see an 8K upscale release then.
@@90lancaster Re-rendering the original files would actually be pretty fast period the problem is, that they lost a whole set of data of the original effects files. Software compatibility since then it’s another issue.
@@buckymsr Yes my understanding is that only some select data survived on some personal drives that people had at home and the majority was lost in a fire. That was why I mentioned that newish programme technic that can turn the finished product back into data files - which could then be associated with newer niced textures and re-rendered at a higher res - once that technique has matured that is at least one way to reduce the work load of one day re-rendering the show's CGI - though some things like the CGI matt paintings they may just have to get someone to do over I guess.
@@buckymsr I have nearly all spaceships in original .lwo files. no problem to render with new Lightwave version or make better textures
@@karikosonen556 NICE! Now all they would need would be the original scene files and caches and it would be playtime! *G
looks like something that could've inspired original starcraft
that looked pretty damn cool! the Shadows were just the coolest nemesis on that show! There gonna be a Babylon 5 reboot with updated cast and CGI..!!!!
This is absolutely gorgeous!
They need to remake the whole series in 4k. Imagine all the new fans, plus new appreciation from us "old" fans. Great job!!
As long as they pay proper respect to the source material like they did with the BSG remake I'd be all for it!
I would prefer a re-imaging of the whole series in 4K than risk being disappointed by a remake.
JMS is doing a ReBoot of B5 on the CW. it's not a continuation but an actual ReBoot. He says it won't be exactly the same because then there would be no twists or surprises. So I guess we will see if it's anywhere near as good as the original. And with examples like the one above the studio needs to shutup and actually make a 4K release of the original and the Movies. People WILL buy them.
Who did this ? Wow 2:43
It's absolutely beautiful! My only complaint is that the Shadow battlecrabs are a little hard to see from an audience standpoint. Although, thematically, I think it suits them perfectly.
I mean, they aren't called the Bright Sunbeams
Absolutely beautiful! Love B5.
B5 doesn't need it's CGI remade, it just needs to be upscaled or re-rendered
It can’t be upscaled. That would be like zooming in on a low resolution photo.
@@Jbluez1 The upscaling looks good here.
@@Gambit771
This isn’t a simple upscale!
It had the elements re-rendered first.
Watch the video to the end!!
I think they could get pretty far with higher res textures, some more smoothing on round objects, and modern rendering for the lighting and shadows. It could look really good if someone is willing to put some extra money into it.
"Original effects in 4K" is an oxymoron.
If it wasn't for telepaths nothing could beat the shadows
I had NO idea the original 3D assets still existed :O
Yes. Many were privately collected and saved. Unofficially of course.
@@BobbyD262 Thank god they did. At least Babylon 5 was spared the destiny of Voyager who's later seasons 3D assets got lost... because the CGI house who did them does not exist anymore...
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 Actually it was the same team (B5 season 1 to 3 and Voayger). So I would bet many of the Voyager assets exist somewhere.
@@BobbyD262 oh man.. hopefully... Then CBS Digital could actually restore it because people want DS9 and VOY getting remastered so badly as well. But at least Voyager still looks amazingly well even in SD. Way better then TNG ever did before the HD remaster.
Heres to all the actors who are no longer with us from B5.
I think the FX still holds up to today's standards. If I have ONE criticism, it is the overuse of Lightwave's default "GernricPanels.iff" texture file. Just about the only race's ships that don't use it are the Shadows and the Minbari.
Yeah. Someone called it TV Plastic. And coincidentally, my criticism of the effects in Picard Season3 was that I thought the Starfleet ships seemed to veer to closely to this kind of texturing. Seemed off to me for Starfleet ships.
Man those Omega class ships still look so good.
HBO MAX now has the entire B5 Series to be shown. Great news!!!
Hahaha! i know that hull texture.
Eine der besten Serien ever. Habe sie geliebt und liebe sie noch heute.....alles auf DVD :-)
Only show with better effects is the expanse.
B5 had some great ship designs.
I hope so much for a reboot of this Franchise
Wow! 🤩🤩🤩🤩
🙏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you for this movie.
Babylon 5's own X-wings
1:35. pause here, you can see into the building windows. For the era, that's nuts.
Never noticed it!
i would buy the whole series 5 seasons
Sigh. Some of the fine music from the B5 Space Simulator CD.
THE GREAT SHOW LOOKS GREAT
Uh-oh, the Shadows are coming! The visuals look fantastic!
Title of the Background music?
It's music from a cancelled Babylon 5 flight sim game by the TV show's composer: www.b5tv.com/showthread.php?t=45970
Wow!! So much nostalgia...It makes me want to go and rewatch B5 immediately. And the Shadows ships.. inevitably most ship designs look similar between various sci-fi shows/PC games but the Shadows are so damn unique, never seen anything quite like it!
Shadows in 4K - Enough said
Absolutely incredible color & motion. Wishing this whole series was remastered. I have all of the originals & they still work but now that everything else is 4k HD B5 deserves to be updated.
Best sci-fi show ever!
Can't wait for new series!!
Emperor Turhan: How will this end?
Kosh: In fire.
Lovely work. Those Shadow beam weapons still look devastating!
B5 is one of my all time favorite shows. I remember watching it in my teens and it was so different from other shows at the time. I own the DVD release, was a little disappointed they didn't clean up the footage at the time (looks like a VHS dub with all the artifacts and minimal post cleanup). I figure I still got good value on them though, as I've watched them several times over.
BSG (Battle Star Galactica) did space battle differently, they had silent space battles with background orchestral music, that was really interesting to watch too.
I love that you gave it a film grain effect. the one on tom's own channel diddnt have one. the grain can actually make the 3d scene fit better with the live action imo...
Yes, I have distinct memories of watching the show back in the 90's and the cutting from live-action to CGI was always very jarring. Lack of grain was some of it, as was the sudden smoother movement of the CGI running at 30p, versus the 24p of the live-action film. These are so easy to fix now, but I don't know how they could have done it 30 years ago. I suppose they could have rendered the effects at 24p, printed to film, and then scanned it back in like the live-action footage, but I'm sure that was FAR beyond the budget and time constraints of production.
CGI is CGI. B5's visuals are quite serviceable. What they did in the early 1990s was incredible given the reduced CPU power available and polygon count.
Yes, and the incredibly low amount of memory available for image textures.
@@BobbyD262
So low that we often had to use heavily palletized textures...until the available RAM in workstations like the DECs (or if you were lucky; SGIs) allowed for less compromise.
Is the new Warner 1080p release like this quality?
The live action has been re-scanned from film, possibly the original camera negative. It looks as good as it ever has. The comp shots and CGI shots are just upscaled. But it all looks much better than the DVDs.
It's surprising how well the effects hold up especially when you consider that Babylon 5 only had a fraction of the budget that it's main TV rival - the juggernaut that was Star Trek TNG/DS9/VOY - did to work with.
Don't reboot, re-render it!
This is amazing!👍💚
The only thing which doesn't really hold up is the explosions. With updated explosion VFX these would scrub up to modern standards very easily. And if all the external CGI shots are remastered, that's half the job. Then it's just a case of rescanning the original film in at 4K and re-doing some of the VFX. I'd so pay to crowd fund that. Even if it took 2 years per season
Great work!
It does highlight an issue I have with CGI. I find the edges and surfaces too perfect and the colours to solid, when you look at something with your own eyes it is never perfect. I am colour deficient and a lot of the new CGI makes things look so unrealistic due to the lack of slight colour variation that normally catches my eye.
In all fairness, the original effects are from 25 years ago and produced on a very small budget. Nothing like it had been attempted for television. I consider it more of an artistic interpretation than a photo realistic one very often. And I am sure they never anticipated it being watched on a 70 inch screen. Even so, you can’t deny the beauty and the smoothness of motion that is actually better than several other TV series that followed it.
for some things, the fuzziness of classic video displays and even film projection helps. back in the early days of high def, I saw part of Return of the Jedi on a hi res, 120hz display. The blaster and jet pack looked ... like props. it's possible to make these things too real.
It was announced on September 27th, JMS will do a reboot of B5 from the ground up.
Thanks for the heads-up. I had not heard this before.
Yeah.....let's hope that the network doesn't turn it into a dumpster fire
Lovely!
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why did warner not do this for the hbo max release? too expensive?
Holy Crap !
That was awesome !
This is amazing! Another problem, as I've heard about it, is CGI scenes with live action because those existed in NTSC-quality only... Hopefully AI-technology or something will be able to deal with it someday...
Spectacular! Maybe with the advent of advanced AI 4K upscaling of older sci-fi shows like Babylon 5 and Space:Above and Beyond can be a reality.
These are amazing! Any connection to the re-boot? Any any of these integrated and watchable with the original? Either way....outstanding and thanks!
BLURAY !
Wow ! Great job. B5 was recorded on film but the graphics were from Amiga 2000's running lightwave at standard NTSC resolution.
Nice good old times. Babylon 5 reminds me StarCraft. Especially seeing textures in HD.
For those who do not know.
The original FX were all done on an Amiga 500 or 1200 using the VIDEO TOASTER hardware.
man the battle where the omegas slugged it out was one of the tensest sci-fi battles until nuBSG
To cram the graphics and ships from Babylon 5 into EVEONLINE, there would be more variety in the game, but fucking copyrights limit the development of everything and everyone.
Then...speed up from 24 to 60fps by...me! If you WISH! I can do it! :P
AMAZING!!! It should be a crime how TNT and the rest treated this seminal series - Cutting budgets the shenanigans with Crusade [Made what FOX did to Firefly look like a kid stealing a candy bar by comparison]
The thing I always loved about B5 ships is how they obeyed Newtonian physics. Objects in motion remain in motion. That leads to some great shots, like Starfuries pivoting in place and facing the opposite direction to fire, while still maintaining their previous direction of travel, JUST like it would actually happen in real life!
Currently re-watching the series. Just got done with the ep where the COPERNICUS was encountered. Too bad the rest of the DVD copies don't make things look this nice.
Wow!
Are there any assets for CRUSADE floating around? i would love to see the Excalibur in 4k...
For those saying B5 will never be a remastered B5. WB has remastered and is releasing the complete series (plus pilot, minus movies) on BluRay on 12/5/23 JMS has stated this will be the best picture and audio to date even slightly better than the HBO Max release.
This sort of CGI upgrade to Bab-5, along with upscaling the original material would do wonders for that series and could rescue how they screwed up the archives of this, excellent, show. I've been enjoying ST TOS with the upgraded special effects and graphics... it would not even take any rethinks of the scenes in Bab-5!