For Christ’s sakes man everything in that video was a perfect example of what NOT to do, from covering your chrono with dirt to filming the ground instead of the targets to shooting something in the back of your truck. Did you eat paint chips as a kid?
Wow! Just when you thought you've seen it all! One of the most entertaining bullet comparisons I've ever seen. Not just the tailgate or chronograph thing. Reading all these comments had me in tears! Lmao! I want another video from this fellow just so i can read the hilarious comments!😂😅
I have been shooting and teaching hunters Ed and shooting for many many years. I've seen some stupid stuff in my many years, but I have never seen anyone shoot things on a tailgate.🙄
Yeah pretty questionable judgment on his part. Also shows his judgment on the 2 projectiles he is comparing. Yes the Barnes had better weight retention and penetration duh it’s a one piece lead free bullet compared to a non bonded copper plated lead bullet. 🍎 to 🍊.
I highly doubt if the bullet veered off course it would do any damage to the truck that he'd worry about. Looks pretty well beat to me...also looks like its a chev 😆
I have found the Hornady Outfitter 180 Grain with the GMX bullet to be my do all. I do have so Barnes that are TTSX or something. I am gonna try the ELR-X on deer but the GMX is trustworthy and I don’t hunt past 250 yards
First, these bullets are built for two entirely different applications. Second, neither is built for point blank range. The only thing this "test" was useful for was "how to fuck up my truck with wet copper and lead."
If the Barnes 30 cal 200 gr LRX impacted the jugs, direct bone or soft tissue at around 2700 fps or slower, than it would retain basically 100% weight and have the large expanded petals attached. They only break off at very high velocities but only after the bullet has fully expanded and basically dumped all energy. But if still going fast enough (above say around 2800 + fps), the petals can break off but generally not till about 20 inches or more penetration. The all copper shank with never break down and will continue to penetrate, tumbling causing great damage as well. That LRX will also expand clear down to a minimum impact velocity of 1500 fps. So, shoot them as fast as you want into direct heavy bone or soft tissue at point blank range, or shoot them long range and expand clear down to 1500 fps. Best of both worlds for a hunting bullet. Fast, rapid expansion yet deep penetration no matter what. Contact much bone with a cup and core like an ELD or Berger and they implode. Especially at higher velocities then failing to penetrate very well. If not using a Barnes for hunting, then please use a bonded lead core bullet. Totally depends on how far you will shoot an animal, what your velocity is, etc., but lets say if you will shoot no more than 500 yards, then there are plenty of bonded lead core bullets and other brand lead free monolithics that work great. But a cup and core like a ELD-X or M, Berger, etc., is nothing but a target bullet. Sure they can work some of the time, but they will be terrible just as many of times if you shoot them enough on game like elk. There is a reason other companies have spent millions of dollars and countless hours making a better hunting bullet that is consistent on various animals or shot placement. A cup and core ELD or Berger is what it is. No matter how cool the marketing looks or how much fan boys hype them up, they are a light duty bullet that reacts very inconsistent on various shot placements, bone or no bone, different velocities, etc. They need at least 2000 fps minimum for consistent jacket splitting to expose the lead core to mushroom slightly, yet at higher velocities or contacting bone they can come apart, jacket core separation and fail to penetrate consistently. If not using a monolithic, then bonded bullets are much better for hunting big game. Other monolithics (lead free bullets) also need 2000 fps to expand. However, with inventing and 35 plus years’ experience, Barnes will expand way faster and down to much lower velocities than any other lead free bullets. However other brand monolithics like GMX or E-Tip if shooting game at closer ranges or above a minimum impact velocity of about 2200 fps, they can work very well also. If not using Barnes LRX, TTSX or TSX bullets, I personally like the Federal Terminal Ascent or the older TLR. For a jacket lead core bullet, they expand down to low velocities like the Barnes LRX, but also retain good weight. Very good weight compared to other lead core bullets. Not the weight retention like a Barnes but still very good. If you want a bullet that looks picture perfect with 100 percent weight retention for high velocity shots but still expand down to 1800 fps, then I recommend something like the Barnes 30 cal 165 gr TTSX/TSX or 200 gr TSX, etc. Barnes expand off of hydraulic force, not a force against the bullet nose. So, they can control very easily what velocity they want each bullet to expand down to and what velocity the retain 100 % weight up to. They can answer that any of that if you want to know. There are ALOT of Hornady fan boys out there, but if you shoot enough game (and not just small whitetails) with an ELD or other cup and core jacketed bullets that come part, you will see the inconsistent performance. There are way better choices out there. An ELD is the same thing as a Berger, Sierra Match King, Barnes Match Burner, etc. but with a red plastic tip. It is what it is. No matter how much Hornady markets it, no matter how cool they make it look, they are nothing but a simple cup and core technology. Not a true big game bullet that works on a wide variety of game animals and wide velocity range. Can they kill a deer or even an elk? Sure, but you can also shoot one in the head with a 22 LR. It may work a couple of times, but it definitely is NOT the best choice. When I spend countless time, dedication and money spent on tags, other gear, etc. I want the ONE thing that actually touches the animal to take him down quickly and to do the job consistently. The bullet (and shot placement) is what kills. Not the expensive gun or fancy NON melting tip high BC bullet (that all manufactures proved bunk anyways). BC is only part of the equation if shooting past about 500 yards or so (with most cartridges. If you shoot or hunt less than around 500 to 600 yards, then BC has ZERO to do with you and considering a hunting bullet. The bullet has to be in the air long enough for a higher BC to start to help retain velocity. BC does not kill. It only helps you to dial a couple or so clicks less. Who cares how high of BC it has if it just implodes on an elk shoulder any ways? A Barnes LRX (and some TTSX's) or Federal Terminal Ascent and TLR, will work consistent at point blank ranges and also expand down to a way lower velocity than a ELD or Berger. The bullet has to do the job when it hits an animal. BC is not terminal ballistics and BC plays WAY TOO BIG of part into some guys bullet choice consideration. As mentioned, BC is only part of the long range game and bullet choice. If shooting 600 yards and less (most cartridges), then BC is nothing you should think or worry about.
@@combatcurtful As a senior ballistic lab techician that has worked for 3 different bullet manufacturers for numerous years and employed with current manufacturer last 10 years, doing full competitive evaluation testing on every single bullet offered 6 days a week, 10 hour days, yeah I sure as heck could write multiple novels. But I dont care or need to make videos. Read the comment if you want. If not,I dont care.
The ELD-X has been a failure in my tests as far as a sturdy hunting bullet goes. It's impressive in flight but wish it would turn into a Partition when it strikes home. Hornady needs to bond it.
Got about 40 or so 200gr ELD-X given to me. Ive only tried one load with em, but I dont think my rifle is gonna love em. Bout a 2.5" group at 100yds over 74gr of H1000.
I shoot 0.15 moa groups with eldx at the range…. But thats all it is, a range bullet. I shoot 0.45 moa groups with barnes, but they are hunting bullets and i kill elk with them!! Big difference!
I see some validity in point blank testing as I was on a cow elk hunt where I would up with a 50 yard shot. I was trying Nosler Accubond 165 grain from a .30-06. Don't recall velocity but believed it chrono'ed somewhere around 28-2900 fps. Bullet left an impact hole I could put my fist through. No exit hole and never did find the bullet or any traces of it. In the past I'd used 165 gr Partitions at 2900 fps and would get pass throughs on broadside shots at 200-250 yards. Perhaps at longer ranges the Accubond would hold up, but certainly not at closer ranges. I had switched from the Partition to the Accubond after seeing the front of the Partition come off after taking a mule deer at 550 yards. A problem I thought only the loudenboomer magnums had at close ranges. Although that Partition was on a quartering away shot it still penetrated all the way through and came to rest just under the hide on the opposite side. Rather than switch back to the Partitions (since I can't leave well enough alone) I've gone to the 168 gr Barnes TSX. So far it smacks down mule deer like Thor's hammer. As for the test method, seeing jugs on the back of your tailgate was a cringe moment. Might I suggest some saw horses and some plywood for an inexpensive table next time? For the chronograph, standard practice is to place it at least 10 feet from the muzzle to eliminate erroneous readings from muzzle blast. It's simple enough to calculate the actual muzzle velocity based on the distance from the chrono, which for that bullet is about 6 fps additional. Well within the shot-to-shot variance you will see.
Must have been a tough elk. I shot 2 antelope at 240 and 250 yds with a 165 gr AB in a 30-06, then a good sized mule deer buck at 150 yds. All pass throughs and the bullet worked okay enough but I was disappointed in the expansion of the bullet, I thought it could have opened a little better or something, I've had much more impressive performance with the 180 AB in a 30-06. I also took an antelope with the 165 gr AB in a 308. Similar performance. I didn't think it was soft by any measure.
I use the exact same bullet. I was getting roughly same type of penetration and weight retention. Velocity was actually the same. Right at about 3000. I did my test at a 100 yards and had 100 percent weight retention. I've shot a couple elk with these bullets also. And both times the bullet ripped through the animals. Barnes is the way to go for elk.
Nice…thank ya Sir! It appears with the shedding of the jacketing on both brands that both would cause much bloodshot damage to the game meat. 300 Win Mag is just so powerful…I bet a 30-06 with either bullet be perfect at 2600 fps however.
On my 8th birthday my folks got me a wrist rocket. Me and my buds lined up our pop cans on the bumper. First shot…….right over the tailgate, right through the back window of the pickup. I got the belt. Hahaha!
I am pretty sure I heard the Barnes LRX was designed to expand a lower velocities, they may have made the petals thinner to accomplish this. The TTSX or the standard TSX may be the ticket. I would call Barnes to ask about petal thickness and if the TTSX and TSX are tougher bullets that will retain the petals when shot at a MV of 3,000 fps. I have been sold on the Barnes bullets for a long time, deep penetration, excellent wt retention, the petals when spinning at 200,000 rpm because of the rifling cause massive hemorrhage, and there are no lead pieces in the meat.
I've always had great luck with hills next to natural springs, and also high lookout areas. Many people have had luck on sandbars on rivers, but I have no experience with it.
Barnes was also Lighter bullet so It would have higher MV. Barnes are penetrator bullets ad seems best for bigger game. FYI I am a Hornady guy but do see a place for the Barnes.
At least he included his plate number so you can avoid him if in the same area. Would have been courteous to check the "Thunderbox" behind his target before shooting.
Yes, you need to shoot at least 100mts to to replicate some sort of hunting scenario. All projectiles should get maximum expansion hitting at muzzle velocities, that doesn't tell you anything, WE need to see what happens to the projectile at hunting ranges, full expansion, half expansion, no expansion, that's the test of a hunting projectile.
Hornady eld-x is for slower mv under 3000 or great for long distance being its softer.. barnes built for speed and bones/tough animals up close deep penetration depending on mv can be shot out further!
Great concept and demo however to validate this test you really needed same jugs not milk jugs plastic thickness and amount of water density are different
Ooof I've had bad luck with bullets exiting out the side of water jugs in the past so I would've be nervous to shoot them on the tailgate of my truck... LOL I'm a huge fan of a bullet that holds together so like the TTSX or a couple of the bonded options out there. I've shot a whitetail doe in the neck with the 143gr ELD-X in 6.5 Creedmoor and it didn't even pass through so that's a bullet I don't use anymore... Great video brother!!!
I can't believe you shot a gun at water jugs on the tailgate of your truck. Those things are expensive. That's what your youngest child is for, they can stand on the ground away from the truck and hold the jug. Geesh, some people.
I like the 20gr vmax myself. Of coarse a whitetail drops instantly from headshots, but, ive actually had a 20gr v-max impact behind the shoulder and exit the other side of the animal at 80 yards. Never lost one to date. No idea of BC, weight retention, etc. 3000 fps isnt the fastest, but it works fine 😂
Awesome! I live and hunt in interior Alaska and have been reloading and shooting Barnes TTSX for the past decade or so. Remington 700 bolt action rifles with130 gr TTSX in .270 with IMR4350 for sheep, black bear, caribou and 180gr TTSX in 300 H & H with IMR4831 for bull moose, grizzly bear. I like to exit holes for easier tracking and usually with Barnes TTSX there is great weight retention and an big exit hole. I shoot about 12 to 25 TTSXs each week, so at $30 per box of 50 the price is not bad either.
Considering the ELD-X is a long-range bullet, designed for rapid expansion, at medium to lower velocities, I think it did very well in this test! Of course a monolithic bullet is going to do better at pointblank, extreme velocity range! If you plan on hunting elk at 10 feet, maybe use a bow? Any idea when you will be doing the 200, or better yet, the 400 yard test?
You would be surprised. Alot of other factors affect speed like surface area and metalurgical properties of the bullet. Thats why you can get two bullets with the same mass but one is 100ft ps faster
I love Hornady V Max for varmint. With that said, for deer Hornady is the only brand that's unimpressed me. The ELDx out of my 6.5cm was really underwhelming for terminal performance. I almost lost a doe because they don't bleed much at all on the two I killed. Never used them again. I used Hornady SST 139 in 7mm-08 and I didn't get a pass through on either of the two deer I killed at less than 100 yards. I might give them another chance in a different caliber but the ELDx is accurate but trash for performance.
Should you expect good results with an unbonded soft lead bullet at 3000 fps? I kind of always thought to keep them below 2800. My impression is that if you are going to impact at high velocities a mono bullet is better but if your going to hit at low velocities then go lead. For me I’m one of those stupid People that still tries to get close to game so I can reasonably predict my impact speed. Also accuracy or BC is not important if you actually get close. I guess the more technical the equipment is the less technical the hunter has to be, so goes the trend as I see it anyway.
Penetration isn't ANY end all be all.. If your blowing through stuff, then the bullet is applying less shock than its capable of.. You need that happy medium .. Notice the increase in expansion size of the ELDx vs the barnes.. Lost all petals on the first jug is NOT good.. now your getting a pencil hole Wound channel
That barns is to hard, you need more expansion which causes destruction of the bullet to keep all the knock down inside the animals..the last thing you want on a hunt is pass through..
I've been involved with the shooting sports since 1968, I've been involved in the tv & movie business since 1979, clearly this person hasn't. You need to do full explanations, like if a 220 gr. bullet is going 3000 fps, how much of what powder might be good. Precautions are also a good idea, like not shooting at your or someone else truck. Your video shows a certain lack of knowledge that when to least expected, things can go wrong. Like perhaps blowing a tailgate all to hell, luckly that didn't happen.
Your conclusions are floored. The hornady will dump all of its energy into the game, but the barns fail to do this and exit still carrying a lot of its energy.
kr2sm that’s a lead vs copper assessment, lead is much better and dumping its energy . Unfortunately for people in California like myself we no longer get to use lead . You have to shoot for shoulder bone and hope the shock is enough to disrupt the vitals.
@@appallokelley3207 Nope, put it right in the vitals and the hydrostatic shock does the rest. Been using Barnes since '98, by choice, as I don't live in a "lead free" state. I eat what I kill and lead is not what I want in my diet. People living in lead free states really need to understand the functionality of solid bullets....you're not going to get that softball sized exit wound. What Barnes bullets gives you is extreme performance and a healthy meal. Shot placement is key with ANY style bullet, therefore there's no substitute for range time. Put a Barnes in the boiler room and enjoy the lead free protein.
There's benefits to both lead or Copper especially if ur hunting and want to protect the fur ur trying to get more penetration because ur cartridge may not have great penatration in certain game animals u may be trying to get through thick bone maybe ur going for best accuracy if u can't hit it it won't die I'm personally a big fan of Hornaday especially the sst bullets and I think it's fair to test long range ammo far away too cuz the bullets r not built to expand at peak speeds
Within 300 yards Barnes all coppers are going to be superior for penetration and wait retention. Hornady eldx will be superior past 500 yards for bullet expansion and penetration. If you do not know what range your quarry is going to pop out at or you're shooting in thick brush just go with the barns TSX unfortunately a lot of rifles do not like the all coppers
Not really a useful test.. These bullets are intended for long range, not point blank range. Determine what the velocity should be at 500 yards or so, and have someone load some rounds at that velocity and do this again. After doing so you'll have a much more realistic, true to life, result.
A lot of comments about your truck and your chronograph not being protected. Don't sweat it.....these people just don't understand the thought process of special needs kids like yourself. It's really hard to take into consideration all the dangers of shooting a .300 Win Mag when you have a limited ability to understand the consequences. Hang in there buddy! An adult will help you out one day. I HOPE!
I made it about 2 minutes in this video before I just had to stop & go to the comments. I really felt no need to subject myself to 8 more minutes. There are no words for how useless this was!
What a bunch of whining spectators! This guy did a side by side comparison...period. I didn't hear him suggest that anyone try this at home. Nor did he suggest that you should shoot animals at point blank range.
Really? You've watched too much "Jackass" on MTV. Think there's a reason, why it doesn't come on any more. They put those "don't try this at home..." disclaimers on the screen for a reason. [Shakin' head]😞
Well pretty worthless when you measure the lost led with the hornady. Appearantly you are a hornady fan even if you reluctantly liked the barnes performance better.
For Christ’s sakes man everything in that video was a perfect example of what NOT to do, from covering your chrono with dirt to filming the ground instead of the targets to shooting something in the back of your truck. Did you eat paint chips as a kid?
200 grn vs 220 grn?
EXACTLY.. the worst something I've EVER SEEN on TH-cam
I thought it was a spoof video (parody)
You can't fix stupid
I couldn't make it past 3:08. Motion sickness.
You'd get some serious expansion hitting the side frame of your tailgate.
Prolly wouldn’t let this guy borrow anything from me...
Lmfao 🤣
Same
Yes.
Another guy testing ballistics who really doesn't understand how terminal performance affects the animals.
Wow! Just when you thought you've seen it all! One of the most entertaining bullet comparisons I've ever seen. Not just the tailgate or chronograph thing. Reading all these comments had me in tears! Lmao! I want another video from this fellow just so i can read the hilarious comments!😂😅
I have been shooting and teaching hunters Ed and shooting for many many years. I've seen some stupid stuff in my many years, but I have never seen anyone shoot things on a tailgate.🙄
Frank Ponikvar what makes it so stupid? If you would not feel comfortable, you should not try this
@@milosdad1 if you don't know 🙄
Yeah pretty questionable judgment on his part. Also shows his judgment on the 2 projectiles he is comparing. Yes the Barnes had better weight retention and penetration duh it’s a one piece lead free bullet compared to a non bonded copper plated lead bullet. 🍎 to 🍊.
Yes since that sometimes shooting jugs the bullet can veer off and it would shot his truck
I highly doubt if the bullet veered off course it would do any damage to the truck that he'd worry about.
Looks pretty well beat to me...also looks like its a chev 😆
I have found the Hornady Outfitter 180 Grain with the GMX bullet to be my do all. I do have so Barnes that are TTSX or something. I am gonna try the ELR-X on deer but the GMX is trustworthy and I don’t hunt past 250 yards
First, these bullets are built for two entirely different applications. Second, neither is built for point blank range.
The only thing this "test" was useful for was "how to fuck up my truck with wet copper and lead."
Ive been using Barnes bullets for 20 years ive killed everything coyotes to moose and always had flawless performance!
If the Barnes 30 cal 200 gr LRX impacted the jugs, direct bone or soft tissue at around 2700 fps or slower, than it would retain basically 100% weight and have the large expanded petals attached. They only break off at very high velocities but only after the bullet has fully expanded and basically dumped all energy. But if still going fast enough (above say around 2800 + fps), the petals can break off but generally not till about 20 inches or more penetration. The all copper shank with never break down and will continue to penetrate, tumbling causing great damage as well. That LRX will also expand clear down to a minimum impact velocity of 1500 fps. So, shoot them as fast as you want into direct heavy bone or soft tissue at point blank range, or shoot them long range and expand clear down to 1500 fps. Best of both worlds for a hunting bullet. Fast, rapid expansion yet deep penetration no matter what. Contact much bone with a cup and core like an ELD or Berger and they implode. Especially at higher velocities then failing to penetrate very well. If not using a Barnes for hunting, then please use a bonded lead core bullet. Totally depends on how far you will shoot an animal, what your velocity is, etc., but lets say if you will shoot no more than 500 yards, then there are plenty of bonded lead core bullets and other brand lead free monolithics that work great. But a cup and core like a ELD-X or M, Berger, etc., is nothing but a target bullet. Sure they can work some of the time, but they will be terrible just as many of times if you shoot them enough on game like elk. There is a reason other companies have spent millions of dollars and countless hours making a better hunting bullet that is consistent on various animals or shot placement. A cup and core ELD or Berger is what it is. No matter how cool the marketing looks or how much fan boys hype them up, they are a light duty bullet that reacts very inconsistent on various shot placements, bone or no bone, different velocities, etc. They need at least 2000 fps minimum for consistent jacket splitting to expose the lead core to mushroom slightly, yet at higher velocities or contacting bone they can come apart, jacket core separation and fail to penetrate consistently. If not using a monolithic, then bonded bullets are much better for hunting big game. Other monolithics (lead free bullets) also need 2000 fps to expand. However, with inventing and 35 plus years’ experience, Barnes will expand way faster and down to much lower velocities than any other lead free bullets. However other brand monolithics like GMX or E-Tip if shooting game at closer ranges or above a minimum impact velocity of about 2200 fps, they can work very well also. If not using Barnes LRX, TTSX or TSX bullets, I personally like the Federal Terminal Ascent or the older TLR. For a jacket lead core bullet, they expand down to low velocities like the Barnes LRX, but also retain good weight. Very good weight compared to other lead core bullets. Not the weight retention like a Barnes but still very good. If you want a bullet that looks picture perfect with 100 percent weight retention for high velocity shots but still expand down to 1800 fps, then I recommend something like the Barnes 30 cal 165 gr TTSX/TSX or 200 gr TSX, etc. Barnes expand off of hydraulic force, not a force against the bullet nose. So, they can control very easily what velocity they want each bullet to expand down to and what velocity the retain 100 % weight up to. They can answer that any of that if you want to know. There are ALOT of Hornady fan boys out there, but if you shoot enough game (and not just small whitetails) with an ELD or other cup and core jacketed bullets that come part, you will see the inconsistent performance. There are way better choices out there. An ELD is the same thing as a Berger, Sierra Match King, Barnes Match Burner, etc. but with a red plastic tip. It is what it is. No matter how much Hornady markets it, no matter how cool they make it look, they are nothing but a simple cup and core technology. Not a true big game bullet that works on a wide variety of game animals and wide velocity range. Can they kill a deer or even an elk? Sure, but you can also shoot one in the head with a 22 LR. It may work a couple of times, but it definitely is NOT the best choice. When I spend countless time, dedication and money spent on tags, other gear, etc. I want the ONE thing that actually touches the animal to take him down quickly and to do the job consistently. The bullet (and shot placement) is what kills. Not the expensive gun or fancy NON melting tip high BC bullet (that all manufactures proved bunk anyways). BC is only part of the equation if shooting past about 500 yards or so (with most cartridges. If you shoot or hunt less than around 500 to 600 yards, then BC has ZERO to do with you and considering a hunting bullet. The bullet has to be in the air long enough for a higher BC to start to help retain velocity. BC does not kill. It only helps you to dial a couple or so clicks less. Who cares how high of BC it has if it just implodes on an elk shoulder any ways? A Barnes LRX (and some TTSX's) or Federal Terminal Ascent and TLR, will work consistent at point blank ranges and also expand down to a way lower velocity than a ELD or Berger. The bullet has to do the job when it hits an animal. BC is not terminal ballistics and BC plays WAY TOO BIG of part into some guys bullet choice consideration. As mentioned, BC is only part of the long range game and bullet choice. If shooting 600 yards and less (most cartridges), then BC is nothing you should think or worry about.
goddamn what a reply. you should just make a video instead of write a novel
@@combatcurtful As a senior ballistic lab techician that has worked for 3 different bullet manufacturers for numerous years and employed with current manufacturer last 10 years, doing full competitive evaluation testing on every single bullet offered 6 days a week, 10 hour days, yeah I sure as heck could write multiple novels. But I dont care or need to make videos. Read the comment if you want. If not,I dont care.
You might want to put down a tarp or something to keep dirt from lifting and falling into the chrono when the blast wreaks havoc on the loose ground
Or just keep the chrono 15 feet ahead of the muzzle like they probably say in the instruction manual.
You watched this and that's the only thing you saw wrong?lol
The ELD-X has been a failure in my tests as far as a sturdy hunting bullet goes. It's impressive in flight but wish it would turn into a Partition when it strikes home. Hornady needs to bond it.
Got about 40 or so 200gr ELD-X given to me. Ive only tried one load with em, but I dont think my rifle is gonna love em. Bout a 2.5" group at 100yds over 74gr of H1000.
I shoot 0.15 moa groups with eldx at the range…. But thats all it is, a range bullet. I shoot 0.45 moa groups with barnes, but they are hunting bullets and i kill elk with them!! Big difference!
I see some validity in point blank testing as I was on a cow elk hunt where I would up with a 50 yard shot. I was trying Nosler Accubond 165 grain from a .30-06. Don't recall velocity but believed it chrono'ed somewhere around 28-2900 fps. Bullet left an impact hole I could put my fist through. No exit hole and never did find the bullet or any traces of it. In the past I'd used 165 gr Partitions at 2900 fps and would get pass throughs on broadside shots at 200-250 yards. Perhaps at longer ranges the Accubond would hold up, but certainly not at closer ranges. I had switched from the Partition to the Accubond after seeing the front of the Partition come off after taking a mule deer at 550 yards. A problem I thought only the loudenboomer magnums had at close ranges. Although that Partition was on a quartering away shot it still penetrated all the way through and came to rest just under the hide on the opposite side. Rather than switch back to the Partitions (since I can't leave well enough alone) I've gone to the 168 gr Barnes TSX. So far it smacks down mule deer like Thor's hammer.
As for the test method, seeing jugs on the back of your tailgate was a cringe moment. Might I suggest some saw horses and some plywood for an inexpensive table next time? For the chronograph, standard practice is to place it at least 10 feet from the muzzle to eliminate erroneous readings from muzzle blast. It's simple enough to calculate the actual muzzle velocity based on the distance from the chrono, which for that bullet is about 6 fps additional. Well within the shot-to-shot variance you will see.
Must have been a tough elk. I shot 2 antelope at 240 and 250 yds with a 165 gr AB in a 30-06, then a good sized mule deer buck at 150 yds. All pass throughs and the bullet worked okay enough but I was disappointed in the expansion of the bullet, I thought it could have opened a little better or something, I've had much more impressive performance with the 180 AB in a 30-06. I also took an antelope with the 165 gr AB in a 308. Similar performance. I didn't think it was soft by any measure.
No doubt!!! I could use some improvement in taking care of my equipment but damn!!! That's not to mention safety concerns! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Pretty much a what not to do video.
And you owe me 10 minutes of my life back.
i put it on 2x speed and still fell like he owes me 5 min lol
I skipped ahead and then just stopped watching at 3:00. The comment section is more entertaining than his video.
Surprised he didn’t Warp his tailgate. You have a lot of energy transfer when hitting water with bullets.
Couldn't keep watching past the 5 minute mark. And that was with skipping ahead through some of the worst camera work I've seen on youtube.
@@Jerseyhighlander I know. Plus it's hard enough to watch water pour out of a jug when you're doing it yourself much less watching it on video.
Try the interlock 165gr for your 300.
Just food for thought.
You should do the difference between ttsx and the gmx
TTSX if you are serious about taking down a tough animal.
Why bother shooting long range bullets at point blank range? How about at least a 200 yard test?
Stay tuned! That's in the works!
High Country Adventures fair enough man. I’ll keep an eye out. 👍
@@highcountryadventures9606 Wow...2978 with a 220gr bullet in a 300wm...what powder did you use...8133, N570???
Wow never thought about using a tail gate for testing
I use the exact same bullet. I was getting roughly same type of penetration and weight retention. Velocity was actually the same. Right at about 3000. I did my test at a 100 yards and had 100 percent weight retention. I've shot a couple elk with these bullets also. And both times the bullet ripped through the animals. Barnes is the way to go for elk.
Nice…thank ya Sir! It appears with the shedding of the jacketing on both brands that both would cause much bloodshot damage to the game meat. 300 Win Mag is just so powerful…I bet a 30-06 with either bullet be perfect at 2600 fps however.
Most people don't shoot animals at the range he was testing it.
On my 8th birthday my folks got me a wrist rocket. Me and my buds lined up our pop cans on the bumper. First shot…….right over the tailgate, right through the back window of the pickup. I got the belt. Hahaha!
The fact that you shoot jugs off your tailgate makes you a legend in my book!
Fuk yes!
God bless!
I am pretty sure I heard the Barnes LRX was designed to expand a lower velocities, they may have made the petals thinner to accomplish this. The TTSX or the standard TSX may be the ticket. I would call Barnes to ask about petal thickness and if the TTSX and TSX are tougher bullets that will retain the petals when shot at a MV of 3,000 fps. I have been sold on the Barnes bullets for a long time, deep penetration, excellent wt retention, the petals when spinning at 200,000 rpm because of the rifling cause massive hemorrhage, and there are no lead pieces in the meat.
I've always had great luck with hills next to natural springs, and also high lookout areas. Many people have had luck on sandbars on rivers, but I have no experience with it.
lead is easier on the dental work tho. I don't like copper in my burgers either.
@@donalddossmann6603 Copper bullets retain almost all of their mass thus you may not find any in the meat
Point blank shooting is not an indicator of what either ammo would be expected to do.
Sweet camera angles ;)
Barnes was also Lighter bullet so It would have higher MV.
Barnes are penetrator bullets ad seems best for bigger game.
FYI I am a Hornady guy but do see a place for the Barnes.
At least he included his plate number so you can avoid him if in the same area.
Would have been courteous to check the "Thunderbox" behind his target before shooting.
Thanks for watching!
Yes, you need to shoot at least 100mts to to replicate some sort of hunting scenario. All projectiles should get maximum expansion hitting at muzzle velocities, that doesn't tell you anything, WE need to see what happens to the projectile at hunting ranges, full expansion, half expansion, no expansion, that's the test of a hunting projectile.
I have another test at 450 yards. Check out the other video.
Hornady eld-x is for slower mv under 3000 or great for long distance being its softer.. barnes built for speed and bones/tough animals up close deep penetration depending on mv can be shot out further!
Great concept and demo however to validate this test you really needed same jugs not milk jugs plastic thickness and amount of water density are different
Ooof I've had bad luck with bullets exiting out the side of water jugs in the past so I would've be nervous to shoot them on the tailgate of my truck... LOL I'm a huge fan of a bullet that holds together so like the TTSX or a couple of the bonded options out there. I've shot a whitetail doe in the neck with the 143gr ELD-X in 6.5 Creedmoor and it didn't even pass through so that's a bullet I don't use anymore... Great video brother!!!
As soon as I saw the jugs on the tailgate I went straight to the comments.
So much for the argument that lead fragments , it seems to me the cooper is very fragmented
Someone who actually uses his truck
@@aj227 100%
Be more interesting to shoot the truck and check expandion
Work on your camera skills giving me motion sickness
I had to stop at 3 mins
I can't believe you shot a gun at water jugs on the tailgate of your truck. Those things are expensive. That's what your youngest child is for, they can stand on the ground away from the truck and hold the jug. Geesh, some people.
Don't be giving this dude any ideas!!
I like the 20gr vmax myself. Of coarse a whitetail drops instantly from headshots, but, ive actually had a 20gr v-max impact behind the shoulder and exit the other side of the animal at 80 yards. Never lost one to date. No idea of BC, weight retention, etc. 3000 fps isnt the fastest, but it works fine
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I’ve been using Barnes MRX bullets for 12 years and they are worth what I pay for them , they kill quicker and with less ruined meat
Awesome!
I live and hunt in interior Alaska and have been reloading and shooting Barnes TTSX for the past decade or so.
Remington 700 bolt action rifles with130 gr TTSX in .270 with IMR4350 for sheep, black bear, caribou
and 180gr TTSX in 300 H & H with IMR4831 for bull moose, grizzly bear.
I like to exit holes for easier tracking and usually with Barnes TTSX there is great weight retention and an big exit hole.
I shoot about 12 to 25 TTSXs each week, so at $30 per box of 50 the price is not bad either.
Tailgait? Holy , brave guy!
Hornady doesn't say 60% at point blank range...really should be giving at least 50 yards
Should’ve thrown a Nosler AccuBond in there. Could’ve had red, white, and blue tips.
America!
Considering the ELD-X is a long-range bullet, designed for rapid expansion, at medium to lower velocities, I think it did very well in this test! Of course a monolithic bullet is going to do better at pointblank, extreme velocity range! If you plan on hunting elk at 10 feet, maybe use a bow? Any idea when you will be doing the 200, or better yet, the 400 yard test?
The video is out. Check it out on my channel
Oh look a 200gr bullet is faster than a 210gr....amazing discovery..!
220grain
You would be surprised. Alot of other factors affect speed like surface area and metalurgical properties of the bullet. Thats why you can get two bullets with the same mass but one is 100ft ps faster
I love Hornady V Max for varmint. With that said, for deer Hornady is the only brand that's unimpressed me.
The ELDx out of my 6.5cm was really underwhelming for terminal performance. I almost lost a doe because they don't bleed much at all on the two I killed. Never used them again.
I used Hornady SST 139 in 7mm-08 and I didn't get a pass through on either of the two deer I killed at less than 100 yards. I might give them another chance in a different caliber but the ELDx is accurate but trash for performance.
Ineptitude is your strength.
OMG, really - we are supposed to trust the results form somebody shooting across the tailgate of his own truck:-) DA
Should you expect good results with an unbonded soft lead bullet at 3000 fps? I kind of always thought to keep them below 2800. My impression is that if you are going to impact at high velocities a mono bullet is better but if your going to hit at low velocities then go lead.
For me I’m one of those stupid People that still tries to get close to game so I can reasonably predict my impact speed. Also accuracy or BC is not important if you actually get close. I guess the more technical the equipment is the less technical the hunter has to be, so goes the trend as I see it anyway.
Penetration isn't ANY end all be all.. If your blowing through stuff, then the bullet is applying less shock than its capable of.. You need that happy medium .. Notice the increase in expansion size of the ELDx vs the barnes.. Lost all petals on the first jug is NOT good.. now your getting a pencil hole Wound channel
That barns is to hard, you need more expansion which causes destruction of the bullet to keep all the knock down inside the animals..the last thing you want on a hunt is pass through..
I've been involved with the shooting sports since 1968, I've been involved in the tv & movie business since 1979, clearly this person hasn't. You need to do full explanations, like if a 220 gr. bullet is going 3000 fps, how much of what powder might be good. Precautions are also a good idea, like not shooting at your or someone else truck. Your video shows a certain lack of knowledge that when to least expected, things can go wrong. Like perhaps blowing a tailgate all to hell, luckly that didn't happen.
Full zoom+motion sickness(terrible safety+equipment abuse)=yep...Colorado plates
No jugs were spared in the filming of this mess.
dude... camera skills.
Your conclusions are floored. The hornady will dump all of its energy into the game, but the barns fail to do this and exit still carrying a lot of its energy.
kr2sm that’s a lead vs copper assessment, lead is much better and dumping its energy . Unfortunately for people in California like myself we no longer get to use lead . You have to shoot for shoulder bone and hope the shock is enough to disrupt the vitals.
I do not know much about Calìfornian law as I hunt in New Zealand, so I now understand.
I like to turn the vitals into mush, works every time.
@@appallokelley3207 Nope, put it right in the vitals and the hydrostatic shock does the rest. Been using Barnes since '98, by choice, as I don't live in a "lead free" state. I eat what I kill and lead is not what I want in my diet. People living in lead free states really need to understand the functionality of solid bullets....you're not going to get that softball sized exit wound. What Barnes bullets gives you is extreme performance and a healthy meal. Shot placement is key with ANY style bullet, therefore there's no substitute for range time. Put a Barnes in the boiler room and enjoy the lead free protein.
There's benefits to both lead or Copper especially if ur hunting and want to protect the fur ur trying to get more penetration because ur cartridge may not have great penatration in certain game animals u may be trying to get through thick bone maybe ur going for best accuracy if u can't hit it it won't die I'm personally a big fan of Hornaday especially the sst bullets and I think it's fair to test long range ammo far away too cuz the bullets r not built to expand at peak speeds
What a waste of time shooting long-range bullets at point blank range... Barnes' LRX, in particular, is designed to expand up to 1000 yards.
Exactly how many times were you dropped on your head as a child?
ALMOST ?
Within 300 yards Barnes all coppers are going to be superior for penetration and wait retention.
Hornady eldx will be superior past 500 yards for bullet expansion and penetration.
If you do not know what range your quarry is going to pop out at or you're shooting in thick brush just go with the barns TSX unfortunately a lot of rifles do not like the all coppers
Eldx are not hunting bullets.. just target bullet construction.
Thank you for doing this. There isn't much lrx videos.
You're testing apples and oranges here. A cup and core design is not going to directly compete with a Barnes lrx.
Not really a useful test.. These bullets are intended for long range, not point blank range. Determine what the velocity should be at 500 yards or so, and have someone load some rounds at that velocity and do this again. After doing so you'll have a much more realistic, true to life, result.
I have another video at 450 yards
My man is testing on his tailgate... lmao
Sure looks like a personal test?
This is how it done on the ranch.
Real hunter not some TH-cam star.
Thank you 😊
Dont know what your trying to achieve with this test. Compare apples with apples
What coal on these?
Interesting video
May want to use a regular camera instead of your astronomy camera. Lol
A lot of comments about your truck and your chronograph not being protected. Don't sweat it.....these people just don't understand the thought process of special needs kids like yourself. It's really hard to take into consideration all the dangers of shooting a .300 Win Mag when you have a limited ability to understand the consequences. Hang in there buddy! An adult will help you out one day. I HOPE!
😂😂😂 I like you. You've got a great sense of humor!
Ted. On point!
Different grains in each cartridge and u can't even see what your shooting. This is horrible !!!
Pan out dude. Waaaaay too close.
I have another video at 450 yards
Dentist love stuff like that.
This test is too close to derive anything from it.
Surprised the kids weren’t playing by the dumpster….
Everyone says chronograph. This guys says ‘corona graph’ lol. Some say krono. Lol
I made it about 2 minutes in this video before I just had to stop & go to the comments. I really felt no need to subject myself to 8 more minutes. There are no words for how useless this was!
from how far ? that sucks !!! make it at 200 yards then shoot off the back of your tailgate what's 50 feet if we are luckly
I have another test at 450 yards check out the video. Off the back of the tailgate as well lol
Shooting stuff off your tailgate seriously?!!!
How in the world did he get 2 elk to stand on his tailgate ? Next video..... wait for it...... elk call reviews, and the fans go wild !!!
😂😂😂😂sounds like poaching lol
@@lanceroberthough1275 I had to watch this video again just to confirm this Colorado cowboy's stupidity!
Please, please, please stay out of Idaho!!!!
Shooting your truck. Love it. Very entertaining.
I love science!
What a bunch of whining spectators!
This guy did a side by side comparison...period. I didn't hear him suggest that anyone try this at home. Nor did he suggest that you should shoot animals at point blank range.
Viewers!!! Do not use this video as good results. Everything in this video was done WRONG!!
Oh that's safe. Not.
Good test, I know which one I'll use!
You are comparing apples to watermelons... they are in a completely different class
Shooting at water jugs on truck tailgate---Not Too Smart, in my opinion
I was skeptical during the chrono shots. As soon as the projectile struck the water jugs, I stopped the video, typed this comment and left.
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How not to test ammo. I'll take the Hornady ever single time.
Yes.
Never seen a rifle that Dirty!!!!
It's 190 grain barnes. 200 grain eldx. Goof.
No it's a 200 and 220. They're reloads. I think I would know
I am getting dizzy
Thanks for using water and not dirt or sand lol
Really?
You've watched too much "Jackass" on MTV. Think there's a reason, why it doesn't come on any more. They put those "don't try this at home..." disclaimers on the screen for a reason. [Shakin' head]😞
Well pretty worthless when you measure the lost led with the hornady. Appearantly you are a hornady fan even if you reluctantly liked the barnes performance better.
Note to self. Don"t buy a used truck from this guy! It will be well used....lol
I also know how all the dent got in the tailgate of my last truck.
Lol
They both suck for close range. I think I’ll use ttsx and tsx
Your making me dizzy waving the camera around