Yes!! He was able to find good Baji vs Karate, I’m happy. The karateka looks like a Kyokushin for sure, not Shoto or any Okinawan style. The Baji guy is using the KoBu, or hooking trip foot very nice
Baji quan is actually pretty well known there due to a Manga called Kenji which was based on the authors (Ryuchi Matsudo) experience with the martial art. He was an apprentice to 2 well known masters first Su Yu Chang from Taiwan and then Ma Xianda. Prior to learning from them he was well accomplished in Japanse martial arts like Goju ryu, Daito Ryu Aikijutsu, Hakko Ryu Jiu jistu but learned Baji, Bagua, Mantis, Mizong, Tai Chi from them. So there are probably some legit Baji schools over there.
Yes, later on they studied some good Bajiquan from Wu family, like the guy in this video who is a Wu family disciple. But still hats off to Matsuda for making the style popular and also making Wu family known, although he himself studied the inferior Wutan and Ma family styles.
@@Livingtree32 why would you say so? Do they lack essential elements? I heard that Huo family require extensive conditioning,and that Taiwan styles are more streamlined. Quale credi che sia lo stile migliore di Bajiquan?
I always like seeing Bajiquan in practice. Its apparently read as Hakkyokuken in Japanese and is Akira from Virtua Fighter's fighting art. Its pretty rad.
Japanese has different readings for the same characters, so when seeing someone's name for the first time, a Japanese person would not necessarily know how to pronounce it. could thus be "Morioka Doronosuke" like how Google translate has it (though they use Morooka, which is just a different way to Romanize the same sound), which would be the kun'yomi reading of those characters. There are other ways to read the name (or other Japanese names) that could also be correct, and the only way to know for sure is to ask the individual how their name is read.
Reason why Bajiquan is working well among other Chinese TMA could be that Bajiquan is a pretty "modern" style that is around 200years old compared to other Chinese TMA that ended up as "Flower dancing show". Another modern Chinese MA that I think work would be Choy Lei Fut which also only around 100 years old.
I'd say Kyokushin too. Got confused at first since his guard was way high for half a minute, but then he dropped it low again and kept failing at long and midrange. Definitely Kyokushin.
Baji's push kick doesn't seem to be a 'push' or a 'kick', in my opinion, at least how modern martial art defines it. Instead, It's like an iron rod sticking up from the ground for people to run into. It's supposed to stop their momentum while being on balance yourself so while they're reeling and off balance, you enter. This is done by forming a connection with the other foot, and is tested by having someone try to push your foot backwards while it's up like a front kick. th-cam.com/video/J99nMwbUC9Q/w-d-xo.htmlsi=J-JC5S97kq6LzKS8 2:30
close as I can get (from my Japanese daughter) is the first kanji is Shi meaning mentor, and likely Oka the second kanji is his last name.. so Mentor Oka Doronosuke. But she's pretty sure that the first two kanji together don't make a word.
Not sure who put the black belt on the one wear the all white gi in first part of video. Looks like novice fighting to me. Gaurd always down, kicks go to wide. Easily predictable. Doesn't corcle out for blocks. Straight in and sloppy retreat.
GI guy doesn’t know Keep a low center of gravity and maintain good posture to make it harder for your opponent to throw him and doesn’t have a good grip to prevent the opponent Grappling skills a dominant grip can counter a throw.
I would love to hear your thoughts on Sifu Singh’s JKD! He looks like the “real deal” version of JKD when he’s sparring against his students. He even lands “Dragon Whips it’s Tail”! Uses set-up’s and take downs in a very fluid manner like Bruce Lee! Pak Sao galore! I love watching his videos and I would love to see more of him sparring as well as get your take on him. I really enjoy watching your content! Thanks Jerry! ☯️✌️
I took Kung Funfir years and made it to brown sash. MMA has made kung fu obsolete. Take kick boxing and learn to wrestle or take Judo and kickbox and no one on the street will be able to touch you. Kung Fu is over. Im sorry to say it because I loved it 😢.
black belt outside of bjj isn't intended to signal mastery of the art, but mastery of the basics. it basically means "this guy can be expected to learn to fight with the martial art now"
@@AcceleratingUniverseblack belt is about money, when I was brown belt I beat all the black belts in my Dojo but as I didn't have the money to make the black belt exam I was stuck at the brown belt even with my ability.
Definitely not Kyokushin karate: first, No Kyokushin symbol on his gi. Second, there is no going backwards in Kyokushin, only and always forward. Third, if he was Kyokushin he would have won .😂. OSU!
If sanda and shuai jiao are considered kung fu they would likely be the best. Shuai jiao is like judo and sanda is kickboxing with throws and ringout. The styles that could be good would probably be choy lay fut, bajiquan, jet kun do. Maybe some others. I dont even know if this or others were good but sanda is legit
They're all effective, or were at one time and potentially could be again. Almost all of the authentic village/clan CMA were actually MMA with techniques for all ranges, and the styles have always been mixed (for example, they almost all have Shuai Jiao techniques and Tan Tui leg conditioning trainings). The problem with CMA is that the Cultural Revolution broke a lot of lineages and traditions. The traditional MA were considered by the Red Guards to be among the "olds"- old traditions and hangovers from the imperial Chinese past - that had to be gotten rid of, so people were forbidden to practice and hand down their village kungfu traditions (a complete reversal of the earlier Communist position, where village and clan kungfu styles were considered authentic, respectable products of the proletariat). So anyone who was found out practicing or carrying on their tradition was shamed (as per the struggle sessions you see with the dunces caps, etc.) or even put in jail. So bang goes your live training - for about a decade. The case of Chen style is typical: it would have disappeared completely if it hadn't been for the strenuous efforts of a couple of the older high-level practitioners (one resident, one visiting occasionally) who secretly trained some of the young folk (four of whom became the "four tigers" of Chen style today - Chen Xiaowang, Chen Zhenglei, etc.). One of those teachers was in fact found out and IIRC tortured and jailed, and didn't live long after that. So Chinese styles, at least the the authentic "Northern" village/clan traditions and styles, are all somewhat broken atm, to varying degrees. Taiwan fared better obvs, but it preserved mostly only "Southern" styles (Mantis, Wing Chun, etc.) in a commercialized way.
it's really the training methodology that makes a martial art effective. a guy who fights all the time can become a proficient fighter with no other training.
Maybe this is a hot take but ive noticed usually when you see Kung Fu doing well it always has smt to do with the other martial artist sucking a lot lmfao
@chrisdudedurian1305 okay? how do you suggest a guy should focus on baji and become a "high level fighter"? if he goes to an mma coach, they're going to make him learn mma and then you're going to complain that he's just doing mma.
@@AcceleratingUniverse ur just proving my point lmao. The martial art isn't the best for actual fighting case closed. Take it and put it in the old UFC where it was just styles against styles. That's how u found out which one was effective and which one wasn't. U can be effective without being an MMA fighter but this just ain't it
That don't look baji...on last none of the 3 styles that i know,no sholder attacks no low kicks no elbows,not much extention of his movements or explosion so maibe it's a different style of baji or adapted to a more "sport" fight...even that i don't see baji even fundamental stuff.
This guy's youtube channel is a goldmine for baji content, there's so much to see!
Yes!! He was able to find good Baji vs Karate, I’m happy. The karateka looks like a Kyokushin for sure, not Shoto or any Okinawan style.
The Baji guy is using the KoBu, or hooking trip foot very nice
Baji quan is actually pretty well known there due to a Manga called Kenji which was based on the authors (Ryuchi Matsudo) experience with the martial art. He was an apprentice to 2 well known masters first Su Yu Chang from Taiwan and then Ma Xianda. Prior to learning from them he was well accomplished in Japanse martial arts like Goju ryu, Daito Ryu Aikijutsu, Hakko Ryu Jiu jistu but learned Baji, Bagua, Mantis, Mizong, Tai Chi from them. So there are probably some legit Baji schools over there.
Yes, later on they studied some good Bajiquan from Wu family, like the guy in this video who is a Wu family disciple. But still hats off to Matsuda for making the style popular and also making Wu family known, although he himself studied the inferior Wutan and Ma family styles.
@@Livingtree32inferior? Compared to what? I thought Wutan was the best.
@@junichiroyamashita No, Wutan is arguably the worst lineage of Bajiquan. Mainland China has many old lineages that are much better.
@@Livingtree32 why would you say so? Do they lack essential elements?
I heard that Huo family require extensive conditioning,and that Taiwan styles are more streamlined.
Quale credi che sia lo stile migliore di Bajiquan?
Knew it wasn't just a coincidence that video was recommended to me earlier today
That was awesome. He knew how to get in, takedown at will, and good defense
Love the Kudo headgear
Dude it’s fun to see Kung fu working 😂🔥
Baji was used to protect the president of Taiwan too
YES! Forgot that detail!
This is great. I love to see TCMA succeeding. Thanks for posting.
I always like seeing Bajiquan in practice. Its apparently read as Hakkyokuken in Japanese and is Akira from Virtua Fighter's fighting art. Its pretty rad.
Japanese has different readings for the same characters, so when seeing someone's name for the first time, a Japanese person would not necessarily know how to pronounce it.
could thus be "Morioka Doronosuke" like how Google translate has it (though they use Morooka, which is just a different way to Romanize the same sound), which would be the kun'yomi reading of those characters. There are other ways to read the name (or other Japanese names) that could also be correct, and the only way to know for sure is to ask the individual how their name is read.
That’s so interesting!
Yes indeed, names usually won't really have one way of being read
Love the Bajiquan coverage. Just started in it myself.
Don't think I was aware of the channel you mentioned. Will check it out!
Reason why Bajiquan is working well among other Chinese TMA could be that Bajiquan is a pretty "modern" style that is around 200years old compared to other Chinese TMA that ended up as "Flower dancing show".
Another modern Chinese MA that I think work would be Choy Lei Fut which also only around 100 years old.
The Bajiquan man is pretty good. Taido looks just as impressive.
Skill wise, they aren’t too far apart, but wow that aggression is serving him in this fight.
@@wissawissa83 100%
1:13 could have become an Akira style double punch
Sick content brother. Can we see any grappling review footage? Thanks
Yes, I have Sumo vs Judo soon!
@@FightCommentaryAWESOME
the headgear and combination of striking and throws suggests maybe daido juku (aka kudo)
I'd say Kyokushin too. Got confused at first since his guard was way high for half a minute, but then he dropped it low again and kept failing at long and midrange. Definitely Kyokushin.
Baji is amazing but somehow underrated
Baji's push kick doesn't seem to be a 'push' or a 'kick', in my opinion, at least how modern martial art defines it.
Instead, It's like an iron rod sticking up from the ground for people to run into.
It's supposed to stop their momentum while being on balance yourself so while they're reeling and off balance, you enter. This is done by forming a connection with the other foot, and is tested by having someone try to push your foot backwards while it's up like a front kick.
th-cam.com/video/J99nMwbUC9Q/w-d-xo.htmlsi=J-JC5S97kq6LzKS8 2:30
close as I can get (from my Japanese daughter) is the first kanji is Shi meaning mentor, and likely Oka the second kanji is his last name.. so Mentor Oka Doronosuke. But she's pretty sure that the first two kanji together don't make a word.
Not sure who put the black belt on the one wear the all white gi in first part of video. Looks like novice fighting to me. Gaurd always down, kicks go to wide. Easily predictable. Doesn't corcle out for blocks. Straight in and sloppy retreat.
Mao and some of the other the Communist party people also had Bajiquan bodyguards, apparently.
The karateka was not kyokushin (or a derivitive) was he? What style was he?
Everything is from Bodhidharma Tamil Kanchipuram Pallava Dynasty. Kung fu is originally indian martial arts.
GI guy doesn’t know Keep a low center of gravity and maintain good posture to make it harder for your opponent to throw him and doesn’t have a good grip to prevent the opponent Grappling skills a dominant grip can counter a throw.
I would love to hear your thoughts on Sifu Singh’s JKD! He looks like the “real deal” version of JKD when he’s sparring against his students. He even lands “Dragon Whips it’s Tail”! Uses set-up’s and take downs in a very fluid manner like Bruce Lee! Pak Sao galore!
I love watching his videos and I would love to see more of him sparring as well as get your take on him. I really enjoy watching your content!
Thanks Jerry! ☯️✌️
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Those don’t look like push kicks. They look like toe kicks
yeah toe kicks are typical when i trained karate as a teenager, pushkicks are not...we never learned pushkicks
@@snxjsnsnjsiwnsjsosjsmmemsjsn exactly. What’s your style? I train Uechi-Ryu. We don’t have push kicks either
I don't think there's much of 八極拳elements in the video. To me, it's more like san da 😂
Baji...where? xD
What exactly makes this different from kickboxing/ boxing or karate.
Really seems bruce lee was right.
I took Kung Funfir years and made it to brown sash. MMA has made kung fu obsolete. Take kick boxing and learn to wrestle or take Judo and kickbox and no one on the street will be able to touch you. Kung Fu is over. Im sorry to say it because I loved it 😢.
Is bajiquan techincally chinese version of muay Thai
No. The closest thing to muay thai china has is Sanda.
It’s amazing how many black belts are extremely unimpressive.
black belt outside of bjj isn't intended to signal mastery of the art, but mastery of the basics. it basically means "this guy can be expected to learn to fight with the martial art now"
@@AcceleratingUniverseblack belt is about money, when I was brown belt I beat all the black belts in my Dojo but as I didn't have the money to make the black belt exam I was stuck at the brown belt even with my ability.
@@AcceleratingUniverse yes but that is by no means mastery of the basics to be ineffective with them.
Taido??? is that Japanese Capoeira??
Yep
Definitely not Kyokushin karate: first, No Kyokushin symbol on his gi. Second, there is no going backwards in Kyokushin, only and always forward. Third, if he was Kyokushin he would have won .😂. OSU!
Thou karate’s is larger in size, he is definitely slower and his technique is not as polished
th-cam.com/video/lvrEQspJCV8/w-d-xo.html , th-cam.com/video/dVvDHlMLbLc/w-d-xo.html .
so could baji be the only effective kungfu atm other than shaolin prob idk much
If sanda and shuai jiao are considered kung fu they would likely be the best. Shuai jiao is like judo and sanda is kickboxing with throws and ringout. The styles that could be good would probably be choy lay fut, bajiquan, jet kun do. Maybe some others. I dont even know if this or others were good but sanda is legit
It's called the body guard style for a reason, pretty effective at close combat.
@airthrowDBTkuaijiao or fast wrestling is a branch of shuaijiao
They're all effective, or were at one time and potentially could be again. Almost all of the authentic village/clan CMA were actually MMA with techniques for all ranges, and the styles have always been mixed (for example, they almost all have Shuai Jiao techniques and Tan Tui leg conditioning trainings). The problem with CMA is that the Cultural Revolution broke a lot of lineages and traditions. The traditional MA were considered by the Red Guards to be among the "olds"- old traditions and hangovers from the imperial Chinese past - that had to be gotten rid of, so people were forbidden to practice and hand down their village kungfu traditions (a complete reversal of the earlier Communist position, where village and clan kungfu styles were considered authentic, respectable products of the proletariat). So anyone who was found out practicing or carrying on their tradition was shamed (as per the struggle sessions you see with the dunces caps, etc.) or even put in jail.
So bang goes your live training - for about a decade.
The case of Chen style is typical: it would have disappeared completely if it hadn't been for the strenuous efforts of a couple of the older high-level practitioners (one resident, one visiting occasionally) who secretly trained some of the young folk (four of whom became the "four tigers" of Chen style today - Chen Xiaowang, Chen Zhenglei, etc.). One of those teachers was in fact found out and IIRC tortured and jailed, and didn't live long after that.
So Chinese styles, at least the the authentic "Northern" village/clan traditions and styles, are all somewhat broken atm, to varying degrees. Taiwan fared better obvs, but it preserved mostly only "Southern" styles (Mantis, Wing Chun, etc.) in a commercialized way.
it's really the training methodology that makes a martial art effective. a guy who fights all the time can become a proficient fighter with no other training.
I don’t see any baji when in here .
Nah, this bajiquan guy is kickboxing, I only saw kickboxing moves than the kung fu style mentioned.
Maybe this is a hot take but ive noticed usually when you see Kung Fu doing well it always has smt to do with the other martial artist sucking a lot lmfao
well this baji guy has tons of fights on his channel you can look through
@@AcceleratingUniverse yeea but rlylowo level fghts and even so im talking about the karate guy. he had rly poor technique
@chrisdudedurian1305 okay? how do you suggest a guy should focus on baji and become a "high level fighter"? if he goes to an mma coach, they're going to make him learn mma and then you're going to complain that he's just doing mma.
@@AcceleratingUniverse ur just proving my point lmao. The martial art isn't the best for actual fighting case closed. Take it and put it in the old UFC where it was just styles against styles. That's how u found out which one was effective and which one wasn't. U can be effective without being an MMA fighter but this just ain't it
@chrisdudedurian1305 if I told you how I really felt about you, TH-cam would auto-delete my comment
That don't look baji...on last none of the 3 styles that i know,no sholder attacks no low kicks no elbows,not much extention of his movements or explosion so maibe it's a different style of baji or adapted to a more "sport" fight...even that i don't see baji even fundamental stuff.
It’s Wu family and as a Wu family practitioner I see a lot of Baji in that.
That shit was just bad kickboxing 😂
😂😂😂😂😂 they both suck
This is bullshido
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Would you look at that