It's like that quote, "Fifty shades of grey is only romantic because the guy's a billionaire. If he lived in a trailer park, it would be a criminal minds episode."
@Wynn Wynn Some women are into that shit. With consent of course. I would never do it because it would make me terribly uncomfortable. Hell, i barely want to slap my girlfriends ass for fear of hurting her somehow.
Yeah, but the sexual preferences of men wasn't what his monologue was about. For real though, men need to learn that it is OK to not want to have sex, even if it is available, they can say no. It took me a while to learn that, I used to think that as a man I always had to be down to go, whenever. Now I know I can put on the brakes and not enter a situation I don't feel like being a part of.
The thing is i agree that guys need to stop being childish and when they are rejected. But girls can be blamed because as bill said, we have no idea if they reject us because they dont like us or if they want us to try harder. Women expect men to be a mind reader and if we cant read their minds, they would call us insensitive or something. Basically, both genders must learn to compromise where guys need to grow up if rejected and girls need to learn to just say what they want and dont expect guys to be professor x or somethin. Sorry for the long rant
When I was in highschool this girl I knew but wasn't particularly attracted to grabbed my head and pulled it into her chest. I was either studying or putting together notes for some project or another--I don't really remember--but I was pretty lost in what I was doing and then suddenly I was motorboating a girl I wasn't into. I don't think she meant much by it other than a quick "hey this'll wake him up" or something like that. I must not have looked very amused because a friend asked me if something was wrong and she looked kind of hurt by the fact that my immediate response was more confusion and perhaps some mild irritation rather than "Wee! Boobies!" I spent the rest of the day feeling bad about the way I'd made her feel by not being into it. It's only in remembering it now that it occurs to me how absolutely fucked up that is.
Not neccessarily. This goes on the assumption that all women want the same thing.I hate rom coms because I hate stalkerish behaviour. If a guy I found attractive acted like that I'd think he was a fucking nut-job and would become unattracted to him. But some women do like that. Women are people, not the borg, we're all different.
Hey, look at you Bill Maher, constantly making sense and being smart about these things. It's nice to see someone who can look at an issue from a multifaceted view and not ignorantly stay on one side or the other.
Exactly. That's the problem. Woman likes you? You can push the line a bit.(which she gives cues that allude to this being true. Some women play the "hard to get" card. Or like to be "pursued". She doesn't like you? Asking anything she said no to already, is harassment, even when it was a harmless question.
Everyone gets rejected. If the person says no, why not move on? Its not harassment to ask someone out. Its harassment to be consistent when the person says no
Consent either verbal or cued is the part Bill and others don't get. Bill should understand the difference between feeling sexy and feeling objectified. I can give 3 personal experiences all in the workplace but only one of them is harassment. A guy I barely knew said in a crowded break room, "we should get a beer sometime." I couldn't tell if he was asking me on a date or inviting me to a bar everyone went to after work. I said maybe. Another co-worker said he was asking me on a date. The next time he asked I told him I have a boyfriend. It was awkward to work together but he ignored me afterwards. I flirted constantly with my now husband. There was a guy that I had guessed liked me. I wasn't interested and was cordial only. I had a bad day and was insecure about my job. He put his hand on my knee twice while I described the bad day to him and another co-worker. I felt even more awkward about having to be obvious the second time I had to get his hand off. Now who out there can't figure out which situation was harassment?
Thank you so much for doing this! A previous segment you did made me wonder where exactly you stood on these issues, but you nailed it in this episode, and got both the male and female perspectives down perfectly. Humans are complicated, and i don't necessarily know the solution to this whole thing, but we need to have this conversation.
I works exactly the same in real life, just not with regular shmucks. If you are really wealthy, massively famous or extremely hot, women will love you for grabbing them by the pussy. Creepiness == 1 / Worth.
Wolfboss7 You mean like when you watch crime movies with violence and killing or war movies and battles and think how fun and tough but in real life... you wouldn’t actually like this stuff. Seriously...
One man at work once said to me 'I know this isn't right these days but I think maroon looks really great on you'. (Obviously I was wearing it that day). I felt so sorry that he had to hedge his compliment. He was an academic and I worked as a secretary but I didn't think he was abusing his power. Just being a nice man paying a compliment, for which I thanked him.
Except with Tom and his Scientology obsession it's gotten a bit creepy in the last few years. I wonder if he's auditioning for his 4th wife, he sure hasn't done well so far.
Not since the days of Kate and Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant, the Thin Man series; point is, the law of diminishing return applies to romantic comedies; for the most part, movies and tv are weak, diluted versions of earlier creations. Yeah, the special effects are much better and very cool, but they don't further the storyline; how many more times must we hear an action hero say "Move, or RUN!, or my personal favorite "GO GO GO GO GO, as if saying that word over and over will make a scene more dramatic
You guys only like complicated deep brooding movies that teach us something valuable. That is fine but I love the statement, "not funny." To you rom coms are not funny but thank God not everyone's profile pic is of a character in a movie V for vendetta and takes them to seriously
+Dr. Zippy Mcscoots - Hopefully one with good taste. She likes When Harry Met Sally or anything from Woody Allen's golden age (e.g. Annie Hall)? Sign me up. 👍 The Notebook or Twilight? Count me out. 👎
Joking about marriage is just a cheap joke that always gets a chuckle, but the truth is most people are much happier being married. I for one think it was the best thing I've done. I get to spend every day joking and hanging out with my best friend. Its awesome.
@@grog3514 Happy for you, but you have to know your situation is a rarity. And a lot depends on how long you've been married because it's not the least bit true that people don't change over time. Some people change a lot and become different people. You or your spouse may change over time and the other one might not like what the other one has become. So just be aware. Or you may say something with good intentions that gets taken the wrong way and is forever held against you, even if you explain your intentions. It could cause a divide that can never be repaired. But there's a reason marriage jokes work. It's because there's a grain of truth to them. The one about 50% of marriages end in divorce and the other 50% choose to remain unhappy is pretty much spot on.
@@kiritsyuti8373 send me a message, I might be able to help you. As long as you don't have unrealistic expectations, there are a lot of great guys out there!
the moral of the story, humans are terrible at communicating also darting sights might be the future because asking people in person is a pain in your ass
Most people who try to use dating sites stay single. Maybe it's time to let the western culture go extinct and let someone with a better reproductive plan take over.
He is not speaking against it! He is pointing out the "over the line" rhetoric's of many woman out there which are hurting the movement itself while spreading false assumptions about men and generalizing them as a whole!
A previous segment he did about it made me feel somewhat uncomfortable, but he was spot on here. We need to have these conversations, and i'm glad he seems to have refined his argument, i agree 100% now
“And it is what they want, just from the one they want it from!” I love bill for this cause men and women may be alike in this way. No one wants harassment
Because in the movies it's always a man hitting on an initially uninsterested woman who eventually gives in and dates him. So men don't see what a flirting woman looks like
Hate to tell you,but that's few and Far Between in Men,and mostly it's because men are trained to think that they have to procreate, it's literally how we're wired
@J. B. Hamel Masquerading? I think he's outright, bare-faced conservative on some issues. What matters to me is that he thinks, and not just with one particular herd.
Some people need to be persuaded at liking you. Some guys don't look interesting at first impression, but if they get 5min with the relevant girl, they'll start to make her want to hear more.
There was this girl at work I wanted to ask out but was so worried about "harassment" it was three months before I finally did. Her reply: "I've been trying to get you to notice me for three months!"
I'm done with the Left. I'm done with their rage, their bullying, and their identity politics. I'm done with their censorship, hostility, and reactive inability to hear anything they disagree with. I'm done with their illiberal views on art, poisonous obsession with racism everywhere, and endless moralizing. I'm done with their entire arguments now unfortunately being literally five words - "racist, homophobic, transphobic, islamophobic, sexist." I'm done with their phobic response to data in favor of claiming their moral superiority to the right. As a lifelong liberal, it saddens me to see what the left has become. We use to be the side of knowledge and free speech, but those days are gone. I'm done
This point was brilliant -- "it is what women want, but only from the men they want it from. Problem is we don't know which ones we are". I feel like this is at the crux of the problem with men and women. If a woman likes you, creepy is cute and vice versa if she doesn't. So you should figure out how she feels before you do anything. But that's tricky sometimes/for some people. And popular culture certainly perpetuates the idea that persistence, overly forward behavior, and trying hard is what women want. 90% of guys who try really hard and fall in the category of what women describe as "too intense" actually think women will appreciate their intensity as effort, devotion, sweetness, caring, etc. Because what's what happens in the movies. And is further confirmed by women going "awwww" when they watch those movies. In reality, if you act this way and they are not into you, best case scenario is they block your number. So popular culture is definitely to blame. And women are a little bit to blame too for having a double standard.
tbh isn't this a much more universal things, not only being applicable to men but also other situations? e.g. if a long-time friends asks me to meet up and do something, but upon me being hesitation, becomes a bit more pushy about it, I would absolutely perceive this differently from a co-worker that I hardly know doing the very same thing. because obviously the way we perceive behavior is dependent on our relationship to the involved person(s).
Honestly, I think a policy that you can only ask out a co-worker once (assuming they said no) is actually a pretty solid message to send. The purpose is to prevent unwanted attention from co-workers, not to stop relationships from happening. Clearly, if both people realize their feelings have changed, they will make a go of it. If it turns out the new feelings aren't mutual, the easiest thing is to say, "I totally understand, and I'm sorry if this made you uncomfortable."
"It is what women want, but only from the men they want it from. The problem is we don't know which one we are!" - beautifully put! Yep, and a guy better be *really* confident which one he is now, post-"MeToo", because they've pretty much criminalized a failed pass! Get it wrong these days and it's not just a broken heart that you're risking... :)
I just keep coming back to the Aziz story, which hopefully is a turning point for this movement. Dating, courting, falling in love.. it can be a messy road. But it's not harassment per se, even when one of the two happens to be the other person's boss.
No Dogma Mama when she consents. I'm with Whoopi Goldberg, if a lady is operating in a business and dude gets weird in a way that's not wanted or appreciated, she's gotta use her voice and call him on it. Power or no power, wrong is wrong.
Just to make a simple case, When humans were living in a cave how were the sexual relationships created. PS: it may seem a little stupid but whenever in doubt you need to go back to see the evolution part.
Theres nothing wrong with boundaries. People have to consider the power dynamics when you ask an employee out. If they say no, they fear reprisals. Where is the line?
Josh Dolphin consent on the surface are not consent. If you are in power, you can push some one over their limits. And if you are the employer, the employee can "consent" out of fear of the work and future avancement. Pushing limits by limits. That is the problem dating from power position. And people must be aware of that, not mitigrating it. Because then it will end up in problems.
Bill Maher is one of the few voices of sanity left in this day and age where everyone seem to have lost their minds on everything. The #Meetoo movement is its own worst enemy.
‘Bill Maher is one of the few voices of sanity left’ I think this every time i watch him. It seems that there is some collective insanity that is impacting the world and only very few people are immune. I am from Australia and there is not a single media personality who is objective or thinks clearly and it seems that they contaminate the people to listen to them. I wonder what will happen when Maher is no longer around.
"I wonder what will happen when Mahre is no longer around." Probably the same thing that has happened on every other show when the host leaves. They'll get someone else to read what the shows writers have written. The hosts timing might not be the same, but the script will be.
@@dagomasere3248 honestly! Recently I said to my friend I wish I could throw common sense, grammar and my gag reflex out of the window and write crap like that if it means I get a fat paycheck.
@Nag Dasty And that's just it. Let's reserve the ruining of careers, legal penalities, etc. to the men who are willfully and intentionally coercing women to do sexual favors. Maher addresses that in the video but that's the whole purpose of the video is that "people are complicated".
I was on board with MeToo when it was about rape and sexual assault. Once they started expanding the remit to the purposely-vague catch-all term "misconduct", constantly moving the goalposts, and when they started talking about policing people's behavior to the point that only Victorian-era interactions were acceptable, they lost me. Now it's just a lot of screeching. The voices that actually make sense (usually the 40 and over women writers) are being drowned out by the 20-something neo-"feminists" that cling to double standards, shout on Twitter, and can't make intelligent arguments if their lives depended on it. If the clearer heads wrest control of MeToo away from the idiots, I'll pay attention again. Otherwise, I'm out, and the movement can carry on eating itself like it's been doing since at least December.
some people were lumping in bad dates or dissapointing sex into the me too movement. so ridiculous and so demeaning to actual victims of rape and sexual assault. Also, catcalling is not sexual harassment. Someone following you home nightly cooing sexual things is.
1. "Women should never be subjected to unwanted advances from a superior at work!" 2. "OMG that rich, powerful, aggressive Mr. Gray is so sexy!" You can't have your cake and eat it too, ladies.
Gonna take a hard disagree on this one. Fantasies aren’t the same as asking for it. You can find your own thoughts sexy but never want them actually performed, and aside from that, it’s no one else’s right to make advances on you because they assume you like something like 50 shades of grey. Just kinda creepy IMO
@@GavinMichaels doesn’t change the fact that everyone is still entitled to due process of the law. When stuff is tried in the media I believe that due process has already been violated. Just my opinion though.
Movies are fantasies, not real. Violence in movies and videos games are cool and fun. The exact same violence in real life ... Not so cool. Not so fun.
Er---yes they can, apparently---in case you hadn't noticed, they are-taken to its ultimate conclusion, in the very near future, over 95% of the male population will be totally restricted from any form of relationship with females, because that is what women are demanding---if you are not in the top 5% of males you are basically on the reject scrap heap and you'd better start liking it because that's your destiny, mate.
Thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy of #Metoo I thought they would go to Defcom 1 over 50 Shades of Gray. As a guy thank you Bill for sticking up for us guys I have also dated coworkers.
That's life... some women think Brad Pitt is sexy some think he is creepy as hell. Same for me, I've meet some women who think I'm the most perfect man they have met, others think I am the most creepy guy they have met. Perception is everything. Everyone doesn't have the same perception, nor are they required to.
I have 2 friends one treats women like crap and the other puts them on pedestal. Who do you think gets more women? Answer : It is the one who treats women like crap. Women think he is confident, wild and a challenge. They feel the other friend is unconfident, boring and not a challenge. Never could understand it.
A lot of those creepy neckbeards claim they put women on pedestal also, but they tend to have bizarre Madonna/Whore complexes. Girls who go for men who are cruel to them tend to be a certain kind of woman and have issues of their own. It doesn't represent women as a whole.
+Letty Lunasical wrong. all species have primal instincts designed for our specific sex. Males are atracted to submissive females who tend to younger and femaled are atracted to males who are agresive, dominant and are very malicious.
I'm a woman & I have never understood this. Of course, I'm lesbian, but even so, I see this pattern in women. I am slow & tentative in expressing interest or getting to know someone so someone more aggressive always gets the girl. And what is it about women liking "bad boys" or "bad girls"?! I'm basically a good girl who likes good girls, so I haven't even had a date in 20 years & I'm getting old. Sometimes I feel frustrated, but mostly I've given up & don't even try or expect to meet potential partners anymore. I just don't understand. I'm NOT boring! I'm curious, I have a lot of interests, love to learn, am a good storyteller, have had all kinds of adventures, & I make people laugh. People of both sexes & all ages enjoy my company, think I'm fascinating & funny, but no woman ever seems romantically interested.
BTW, it sucks to be placed on a pedestal, b/c you INVARIABLY fall off & then the person is disappointed and sometimes just breaks up b/c they were never really interested in YOU, they were interested in their IMAGE of you. I wouldn't date either of the extremes you mention. There's a way to respect, support, & admire someone w/o turning them into an object of worship or some kind of trophy.
@@Chris-nu5bk My father was a good man. He was not aggressive and not malicious at all. My parents were married for 40 years when my mom died. I know there are good relationships out there. There is someone wrong in American society that is causing all this anger. Men & women certainly don't seem to understand each other. BTW, not all men are attracted to submissive females. Lots of men like strong women. You make it sound like we are all still living in caves. Throughout the animal kingdom there are a multitude of different dynamics in mating & reproductive behavior. Today, I think women are more attracted to men who are good providers, b/c they'd make good fathers, and it has little to do with being dominant or aggressive. The idea that women are attracted to men who are "very malicious" is ludicrous, even from an evolutionary standpoint. Malicious men aren't good husbands & fathers.
you hear Mathew perry died. jimmy carters wife died too. Roslyn carter. was 96. I live bill Maher, I have been watching him for 11 year now. He so good
Yeah, human society tends to get more and more complicated, and we need these types of untangling. What better way than through humor. Maher proved the point for sure. In my language, maher means master, as in having or showing very great skill or proficiency, not master as having servants or slaves. I don't agree with everything he says or does, but he's a master, no doubt.
That rule about asking out coworkers is insane. My brother told me he got turned down by a coworker a few months ago, and then told me about that rule and I honestly thought he was fucking with me since he's always been a comedian. When I was a pre-teen and started showing interests in girls, I got turned down a lot and it made me depressed. In an effort to give me confidence, my mom used to tell me that my Dad had to chase her for months before she agreed to go on a date with him (they were coworkers). To think, I wouldn't exist and you wouldn't be reading this right now, had those laws existed back then. In fact, I'd bet some of you wouldn't exist to read this either. Heck a lot less of us would be here..... ....... ....... ....... .......come to think of it, maybe that would be a good thing, lol.
Brilliantly said, real human relationships are complicated and messy. There inst only love involved, there is power, influence, money, friends, connections, families, orthodoxies, traditions, cultural and racial barriers and of course religions playing a role and sometimes there are no villains in bad stories and horrible dates. And it would be easier to see the real bad apples, predators, psychos and maniacs if we didn't react only on first sight :)
This. This, so much. I've worked in a bookstore for years. As part of that job, I've had to keep track of the books, including romance novels, so that I could make recommendations to customers. Most of them are fantasies about everything that's forbidden in the public eye, up to and including rape. I won't pretend to know statistics on this, but in my experience, there's a lot of women who like being dominated, who are turned on by a strong, firm grip on their wrist or even neck, who want to be called dirty whores during sex etc. I know it precisely because I'm not into that. I've always been taught to be nice to women, to not overstep the boundaries etc., and then I had a woman be dissapointed in me for not being rape-y enough during sex. Go figure.
@@SweetUniverse thank you! We aren't a hive mind. Most of my female friends are now married to men with whom they had great chemistry right off the bat and after a few dates the chemistry only deepened. There were no catfights or some dranatic pursuing involved, but that would probably not make an interesting movie in Hollywood which is why we always get shown that atrocious 'I hate you then I love you' plot.
The point here is this: *people, not just women, accept all kinds of behaviour if they find someone hot* That is just the way it is. Is it hypocrisy? I don't know... So folks, you don't get to call "sexual harassment" just becasue someone asks you out/tried to court/pursued you when you don't like him BUT AT THE SAME TIME guys shouldn't cry "feminazi!" when you're rejected! OBVIOUSLY, I'm not saying sexual harassment is just when a person doesn't find th eother person attarctive, but I'm talking in the context of New Rules... We all need to GROW THE HELL UP AND ACCEPT CERTAIN PAINFUL TRUTHS ABOUT WHAT PEOPE LIKE, WHAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE, HOW YOU SHOULD BEHAVE AND COPING WITH REJECTION. It is hard, but that is life....
DITTO. I'm honestly kind of shocked at the amount of people here who seem to think that only women accept otherwise creepy behavior if it's done by someone they think is hot--which of course, even then, #NotAllWomen. I've seen guys literally fuck up their lives over a hot chick. Not because they knew her at all or could name a skill or hobby that he shares with her or a personality trait that he likes about her, but because sHe ThIcC. I see a lot of "Women are attracted to power/money" comments, too. Like men aren't...? It's also kind of amazing how many people here seem to think they know all about the other sex when what they have to say generally disproves that attitude. Guys are multi-dimensional humans. Women are multi-dimensional humans. To claim to know anything about what's going through their heads based on limited if not zero experience or solid data is just... silly. We set our own boundaries, our own limits, and we as individuals decide whether or not to tolerate X behavior out of X person.
I'm reminded of when 50shades movies came out at first (or when any romcom etc. comes out). I was like *"keep everything the same, EVERYTHING, but make 1 change...make the guy ugly as hell. Now tell me it is in any way, a sexy story or a legit seduction or whatever you want to call it." It would be the worst thing ever, or super unrealistic or boring...or rapey or whateve the hell is truly wrong with it.* It is not that men or women want x.y.z - there are no general rules- we are all different, but what we do want, is the attention of someone we find hot. What that is, is again, individual. Madness I tell you! haha
Well, I mean, you kind of get that in Deadpool. It's still kind of messed up that the female lead clearly doesn't give a shit how he looks when so many other ladies would bail...and I say that as a lady. It's like, there's this weird expectancy for women to accept guys however they may look, but women have to be hot to be loved/accepted. EDIT: Can you imagine how the movie might've gone if she'd been the disfigured one? On the flip side, there are women out there who are like that--who would totally be down with that guy, regardless of how he looks. It's the same with men, even if the ratio is questionable, in either sense.
That is not what the movement is about. Its about boundaries ams u understanding that no means no. Asking a woman out isnt rape. But if she says no, move on. And perhaps you should consider power dynamics when asking a subordinate. What was wrong with google saying dont ask a person out again if they say no?
Bill Maher hits right at the heart of the matter. Us boys are taught by movies and pop culture by the time we're knee-high that if we try and try and try and do all sorts of crazy things, the girl we like will finally yield and finally fall in love with us. Then you realize it doesn't work. And then, on other occasions, you realize it does work ! It entirely depends on the situation and the girl we're going after. But still, you can't fault a guy for just trying. The average guy rarely ever gets a girl through "love at first sight", simply because we're not such a pretty sight. So we have to rely on something other than love at first sight, which is courtship and in which we are taught to always be the pro-active one and therefore get a little pushy. If you give up immediately, as an average dude, you might as well give up on love and sex forever. You have to make your presence and interest known. And sometimes, you might also have to try a few times before knowing it's gonna work. It's the guys who go beyond that point that are the actual harassers. Most guys accept rejection. Actually, we're pretty damn boss at it.
What women tell you: "Just be yourself, go up and talk to her!" 5 Minutes Later "So she called me a loser while laughing with her friends, threatened to file a report and call my employer, posted on face book that I'm a creep for even talking to her, and apparently now her brother wants to kick my ass, which she thinks is a great idea, and she's trending on Twitter because of it. Thanks a fucking bunch for the advice, Diane." The weaponization of sex and gender has gone from Semi Auto to Belt Fed Fully Automatic in 2017.
Reading down the comments and am amazed at how many people thought this bit was about movies. It's really really not. The movies are just a way to make a point about how we need to find a sane balance in the era of #MeToo. What he's saying is that not every unwanted advance is intended maliciously. People are complicated, and dating is even moreso. We need to take harassment and assault very very seriously, and it's good that that finally seems to be happening, but we may already be at the point where we are failing to draw a reasonable distinction between the appropriate and inappropriate, and that is almost as bad as ignoring the problem altogether. Hopefully, #MeToo's greatest accomplishment will be inciting a genuine national dialogue that results in a redefinition of the norms that protects actual victims while recognizing that not everybody is one.
Well said Captain Obvious. I haven't came across one comment that sounds like they were focused on the movies and not the point of the subject of what Bill is speaking of.
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It's like that quote, "Fifty shades of grey is only romantic because the guy's a billionaire. If he lived in a trailer park, it would be a criminal minds episode."
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@Wynn Wynn Some women are into that shit. With consent of course. I would never do it because it would make me terribly uncomfortable. Hell, i barely want to slap my girlfriends ass for fear of hurting her somehow.
@Wynn Wynn fuck bitches it always about money trust me if I was a millionaire the pussy that would be thrown at me
It's only abuse if she thinks it is.
NOT because some WOKE ASS culture decides for her.
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I like "It is what women want, but only from the men they want it from."
Beautifully succinct.
Isn't that true for men, too?
Yeah, but the sexual preferences of men wasn't what his monologue was about.
For real though, men need to learn that it is OK to not want to have sex, even if it is available, they can say no.
It took me a while to learn that, I used to think that as a man I always had to be down to go, whenever.
Now I know I can put on the brakes and not enter a situation I don't feel like being a part of.
The thing is i agree that guys need to stop being childish and when they are rejected. But girls can be blamed because as bill said, we have no idea if they reject us because they dont like us or if they want us to try harder. Women expect men to be a mind reader and if we cant read their minds, they would call us insensitive or something. Basically, both genders must learn to compromise where guys need to grow up if rejected and girls need to learn to just say what they want and dont expect guys to be professor x or somethin. Sorry for the long rant
@@danielwhite3244 then teach those women a lesson... If they say no the first time just walk away.
When I was in highschool this girl I knew but wasn't particularly attracted to grabbed my head and pulled it into her chest. I was either studying or putting together notes for some project or another--I don't really remember--but I was pretty lost in what I was doing and then suddenly I was motorboating a girl I wasn't into. I don't think she meant much by it other than a quick "hey this'll wake him up" or something like that. I must not have looked very amused because a friend asked me if something was wrong and she looked kind of hurt by the fact that my immediate response was more confusion and perhaps some mild irritation rather than "Wee! Boobies!" I spent the rest of the day feeling bad about the way I'd made her feel by not being into it. It's only in remembering it now that it occurs to me how absolutely fucked up that is.
To be clear rocky wasn't alone beating his meat. His coach was there motivating him.
lol but he still ain't got no locker.
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Bill really nails it here. If the girl is attracted to the man, it is acceptable, but if she is not, it is harassment.
Not neccessarily. This goes on the assumption that all women want the same thing.I hate rom coms because I hate stalkerish behaviour. If a guy I found attractive acted like that I'd think he was a fucking nut-job and would become unattracted to him. But some women do like that. Women are people, not the borg, we're all different.
Letty Lunasical men are people too but many women refuse to recognize that
He's not defending your feelings. He's saying, she's just not hat into you, get over it.
You referenced the Borg. My Nerd Boner just engorged.
#Metoofestival
Remember that old Onion story from the 90's 'Romantic comedy behaivior gets man taken away in cuffs'?
That plays like a documentary nowadays...
Hey, look at you Bill Maher, constantly making sense and being smart about these things. It's nice to see someone who can look at an issue from a multifaceted view and not ignorantly stay on one side or the other.
Bill dances around the point but still nails it: it's only harassment if she's not interested in you.
Exactly. That's the problem. Woman likes you? You can push the line a bit.(which she gives cues that allude to this being true. Some women play the "hard to get" card. Or like to be "pursued". She doesn't like you? Asking anything she said no to already, is harassment, even when it was a harmless question.
Everyone gets rejected. If the person says no, why not move on? Its not harassment to ask someone out. Its harassment to be consistent when the person says no
Yeah...this is the general rule when interacting with human beings. Maybe you should start thinking of women as just human beings.
Consent either verbal or cued is the part Bill and others don't get. Bill should understand the difference between feeling sexy and feeling objectified.
I can give 3 personal experiences all in the workplace but only one of them is harassment.
A guy I barely knew said in a crowded break room, "we should get a beer sometime." I couldn't tell if he was asking me on a date or inviting me to a bar everyone went to after work. I said maybe. Another co-worker said he was asking me on a date. The next time he asked I told him I have a boyfriend. It was awkward to work together but he ignored me afterwards.
I flirted constantly with my now husband.
There was a guy that I had guessed liked me. I wasn't interested and was cordial only. I had a bad day and was insecure about my job. He put his hand on my knee twice while I described the bad day to him and another co-worker. I felt even more awkward about having to be obvious the second time I had to get his hand off.
Now who out there can't figure out which situation was harassment?
A S the answer to that is 25% of millennial men and pretty much every SJW white woman under 35.
Comedy can be measured by how well it speaks truth vs. how uneasy it makes your audience. Well done.
One of my favorites. I love that Bill Maher talks about the realities (and much grey area) and the problems with black-and-white thinking.
I swear Bill Maher's show is getting better and better, It's like hearing poetry!!
Thank you so much for doing this! A previous segment you did made me wonder where exactly you stood on these issues, but you nailed it in this episode, and got both the male and female perspectives down perfectly. Humans are complicated, and i don't necessarily know the solution to this whole thing, but we need to have this conversation.
He's having waaaay too much fun with this bit.
It's great
I'd say this was a pretty good crack at how when this stuff happens in movies and TV shows it's romantic, when it's in real life, well, not so much.
Finally some sense. It's also kinda creepy in the movies too.
RedF0xtail yes, just imagin it doesn't work out happily in the end? Then it definitly is creapy.
And I would guess most of these doesn't work out.
I works exactly the same in real life, just not with regular shmucks. If you are really wealthy, massively famous or extremely hot, women will love you for grabbing them by the pussy. Creepiness == 1 / Worth.
27182818284590452354e-19 no, they will not. Some will, but not all. As with men, women have different preferences.
Wolfboss7 You mean like when you watch crime movies with violence and killing or war movies and battles and think how fun and tough but in real life... you wouldn’t actually like this stuff. Seriously...
One man at work once said to me 'I know this isn't right these days but I think maroon looks really great on you'. (Obviously I was wearing it that day). I felt so sorry that he had to hedge his compliment. He was an academic and I worked as a secretary but I didn't think he was abusing his power. Just being a nice man paying a compliment, for which I thanked him.
I know this is an older video but....Thanks again Bill. These are the realities that we never hear about in the mainstream media.
Beating his meat ! 😂 These joke writers are good. 👏
I can't believe they didn't cast Kanye West in 'The Shape of Water'.
wiley schmitt i see what you did there
Is that a SOUTH PARK reference? I hope it is.
wiley schmitt hahaha 😂😂
Gotta love South Park.
I don't know. Some of the PC gay fish might get offended... kidding, kidding.
Bill, this is probably the best skit you've ever done.
"If that's not workplace sex, it's certainly stealing office supplies." Hahahaha!
“If that’s not workplace sex, it’s definitely stealing office supplies.” LOL
This guy is accurate 98% of the time. I love 💖 how he throws your Hypocrisy right back in your face 😄
But hates it when its done to him, if he could take it in stride that would be fine with that but that isn't what he does
"If that's not workplace sex, it's certainly stealing office supplies"
ded
literally busted out laughing
Dead*
Lmao
Poor fish dude is entrapped
Spit out my coffee when I heard the Tom Cruise/Ted Cruz part lmao
Except with Tom and his Scientology obsession it's gotten a bit creepy in the last few years. I wonder if he's auditioning for his 4th wife, he sure hasn't done well so far.
The only thing worse than Ted Cruz stalking you would be Ted Bundy
This was one of Bill's best new rules! Loved it.
Bill don't ever stop doing what you're doing, we need someone in the middle of everything
This video perfectly encapsulates why I almost never watch Rom-Coms. Derivative, not romantic, and not very funny either.
@Kurtis C.: Well, it's all fun and games until detectives from the Special Victims Unit show up with a SWAT team.
Not since the days of Kate and Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant, the Thin Man series; point is, the law of diminishing return applies to romantic comedies; for the most part, movies and tv are weak, diluted versions of earlier creations. Yeah, the special effects are much better and very cool, but they don't further the storyline; how many more times must we hear an action hero say "Move, or RUN!, or my personal favorite "GO GO GO GO GO, as if saying that word over and over will make a scene more dramatic
You guys only like complicated deep brooding movies that teach us something valuable. That is fine but I love the statement, "not funny." To you rom coms are not funny but thank God not everyone's profile pic is of a character in a movie V for vendetta and takes them to seriously
You may not have a choice if your married or have a gf.
+Dr. Zippy Mcscoots - Hopefully one with good taste. She likes When Harry Met Sally or anything from Woody Allen's golden age (e.g. Annie Hall)? Sign me up. 👍 The Notebook or Twilight? Count me out. 👎
Bill, I love you! Thank you for saying all this!
"The rest ended happily"- Lol true
Brilliant lol
Joking about marriage is just a cheap joke that always gets a chuckle, but the truth is most people are much happier being married. I for one think it was the best thing I've done. I get to spend every day joking and hanging out with my best friend. Its awesome.
@@grog3514 .....I'm honestly jealous of you. I wish I would at least have a boyfriend ... I'm so sad being alone :-(
@@grog3514
Happy for you, but you have to know your situation is a rarity. And a lot depends on how long you've been married because it's not the least bit true that people don't change over time. Some people change a lot and become different people. You or your spouse may change over time and the other one might not like what the other one has become. So just be aware. Or you may say something with good intentions that gets taken the wrong way and is forever held against you, even if you explain your intentions. It could cause a divide that can never be repaired.
But there's a reason marriage jokes work. It's because there's a grain of truth to them. The one about 50% of marriages end in divorce and the other 50% choose to remain unhappy is pretty much spot on.
@@kiritsyuti8373 send me a message, I might be able to help you. As long as you don't have unrealistic expectations, there are a lot of great guys out there!
the moral of the story, humans are terrible at communicating
also darting sights might be the future because asking people in person is a pain in your ass
The dating sites are even worse than IRL
Most people who try to use dating sites stay single.
Maybe it's time to let the western culture go extinct and let someone with a better reproductive plan take over.
This is the third week in a row Bill is speaking out against aspects of the #MeToo movement. And I love it!
He is not speaking against it! He is pointing out the "over the line" rhetoric's of many woman out there which are hurting the movement itself while spreading false assumptions about men and generalizing them as a whole!
Triple Tee he's not speaking out against it you fool, he's talking about movies.
nik Lazz Did you realize I use the word 'aspects' or nah?
My Channel I suggest re-watching the entire segment...
A previous segment he did about it made me feel somewhat uncomfortable, but he was spot on here. We need to have these conversations, and i'm glad he seems to have refined his argument, i agree 100% now
“And it is what they want, just from the one they want it from!” I love bill for this cause men and women may be alike in this way. No one wants harassment
Thanks for breaking such a complicated issue so brilliantly....
This was the most concentrated truth yet told about the me too movement I’ve thus found.
"It's certainly stealing office supplies"..........(comedy gold)
There's a reason men are usually oblivious to women hitting on them, but women have no trouble telling when men are hitting on them.
"There'a a reason men are usually oblivious to women hitting on them."
Because...?
Because in the movies it's always a man hitting on an initially uninsterested woman who eventually gives in and dates him. So men don't see what a flirting woman looks like
Nathan Frantz That's only really one type of romance plot.
wtf dude
Hate to tell you,but that's few and Far Between in Men,and mostly it's because men are trained to think that they have to procreate, it's literally how we're wired
Spot on absolutely Spot on!
3:05 Bill is so adorable. We don't know which one we are! 🤣
He really does speak his mind
He certainly does and I love it!
@J. B. Hamel Masquerading? I think he's outright, bare-faced conservative on some issues. What matters to me is that he thinks, and not just with one particular herd.
Honestly if your coworker changed their mind about wether they want to date you it's their turn to be the one to ask.
Some people need to be persuaded at liking you. Some guys don't look interesting at first impression, but if they get 5min with the relevant girl, they'll start to make her want to hear more.
Good idea in theory. In practice women almost never initiate a romantic relationship.
yes. lets give corporations more power to suck away our humanity. fucking brilliant.
liberals are fucking retarded.
There was this girl at work I wanted to ask out but was so worried about "harassment" it was three months before I finally did. Her reply: "I've been trying to get you to notice me for three months!"
women don't ask men out its rare men have to di it
I'm done with the Left.
I'm done with their rage, their bullying, and their identity politics.
I'm done with their censorship, hostility, and reactive inability to hear anything they disagree with.
I'm done with their illiberal views on art, poisonous obsession with racism everywhere, and endless moralizing.
I'm done with their entire arguments now unfortunately being literally five words - "racist, homophobic, transphobic, islamophobic, sexist."
I'm done with their phobic response to data in favor of claiming their moral superiority to the right.
As a lifelong liberal, it saddens me to see what the left has become. We use to be the side of knowledge and free speech, but those days are gone.
I'm done
Ha racist 😂
This point was brilliant -- "it is what women want, but only from the men they want it from. Problem is we don't know which ones we are". I feel like this is at the crux of the problem with men and women. If a woman likes you, creepy is cute and vice versa if she doesn't. So you should figure out how she feels before you do anything. But that's tricky sometimes/for some people. And popular culture certainly perpetuates the idea that persistence, overly forward behavior, and trying hard is what women want. 90% of guys who try really hard and fall in the category of what women describe as "too intense" actually think women will appreciate their intensity as effort, devotion, sweetness, caring, etc. Because what's what happens in the movies. And is further confirmed by women going "awwww" when they watch those movies. In reality, if you act this way and they are not into you, best case scenario is they block your number. So popular culture is definitely to blame. And women are a little bit to blame too for having a double standard.
tbh isn't this a much more universal things, not only being applicable to men but also other situations?
e.g. if a long-time friends asks me to meet up and do something, but upon me being hesitation, becomes a bit more pushy about it, I would absolutely perceive this differently from a co-worker that I hardly know doing the very same thing.
because obviously the way we perceive behavior is dependent on our relationship to the involved person(s).
@@toddsleezer3580 what?
Honestly, I think a policy that you can only ask out a co-worker once (assuming they said no) is actually a pretty solid message to send. The purpose is to prevent unwanted attention from co-workers, not to stop relationships from happening. Clearly, if both people realize their feelings have changed, they will make a go of it. If it turns out the new feelings aren't mutual, the easiest thing is to say, "I totally understand, and I'm sorry if this made you uncomfortable."
"It is what women want, but only from the men they want it from. The problem is we don't know which one we are!" - beautifully put! Yep, and a guy better be *really* confident which one he is now, post-"MeToo", because they've pretty much criminalized a failed pass! Get it wrong these days and it's not just a broken heart that you're risking... :)
And somehow, it’s something we’re supposed to know the second we exit the womb.
I love the look on Bill's face when they show Rocky cornering Adrian.
I'll never forget when Maher's audience applauded when he talked about someone's free speech being taken away. It even shocked Maher, a little bit.
You got a link?
The Rocky scene hahaha and Me too film festival that’s just too funny I Laughed so loud it scared my cat
TL; DR: It's only harassment if the man is ugly or obese or too short or too poor or a combination of all of the above.
Alrune La Brune c’est tres l’incel mon ami
Many true (realistic) points made.....
I just keep coming back to the Aziz story, which hopefully is a turning point for this movement. Dating, courting, falling in love.. it can be a messy road. But it's not harassment per se, even when one of the two happens to be the other person's boss.
No Dogma Mama when she consents. I'm with Whoopi Goldberg, if a lady is operating in a business and dude gets weird in a way that's not wanted or appreciated, she's gotta use her voice and call him on it. Power or no power, wrong is wrong.
Just to make a simple case,
When humans were living in a cave how were the sexual relationships created.
PS: it may seem a little stupid but whenever in doubt you need to go back to see the evolution part.
Theres nothing wrong with boundaries. People have to consider the power dynamics when you ask an employee out. If they say no, they fear reprisals. Where is the line?
Josh Dolphin consent on the surface are not consent.
If you are in power, you can push some one over their limits.
And if you are the employer, the employee can "consent" out of fear of the work and future avancement. Pushing limits by limits.
That is the problem dating from power position. And people must be aware of that, not mitigrating it. Because then it will end up in problems.
Eva Pawlowska so because we have fools, we are not allowed to go after preditators? Is that what you say?
So some women in hands of predators are ok?
That stealing office supplies comment had me rolling!!! 😂😅😆
Bill Maher is one of the few voices of sanity left in this day and age where everyone seem to have lost their minds on everything. The #Meetoo movement is its own worst enemy.
Women are their own worst enemy.
NOT women, but just the #meetoo movement fanatics. Women in general understand the complexities of human nature.
‘Bill Maher is one of the few voices of sanity left’
I think this every time i watch him. It seems that there is some collective insanity that is impacting the world and only very few people are immune.
I am from Australia and there is not a single media personality who is objective or thinks clearly and it seems that they contaminate the people to listen to them.
I wonder what will happen when Maher is no longer around.
Ummmmm, you do understand he's reading a script that was written "for" him don't you? I think the praise should be showered on the writers.
"I wonder what will happen when Mahre is no longer around." Probably the same thing that has happened on every other show when the host leaves. They'll get someone else to read what the shows writers have written. The hosts timing might not be the same, but the script will be.
This is gold and true!!!
Genius, Bill.
Keep in mind that a woman wrote the Fifty Shades of Grey books.
And its horrible in every way - except being a success for sales.
Although she looks like a man
Good point.
@@dagomasere3248 honestly! Recently I said to my friend I wish I could throw common sense, grammar and my gag reflex out of the window and write crap like that if it means I get a fat paycheck.
"It is what women want but only from the men they want it from"- #MeToo summed up in that one phrase
@Nag Dasty And that's just it. Let's reserve the ruining of careers, legal penalities, etc. to the men who are willfully and intentionally coercing women to do sexual favors. Maher addresses that in the video but that's the whole purpose of the video is that "people are complicated".
This is an amazing point.
I was on board with MeToo when it was about rape and sexual assault. Once they started expanding the remit to the purposely-vague catch-all term "misconduct", constantly moving the goalposts, and when they started talking about policing people's behavior to the point that only Victorian-era interactions were acceptable, they lost me. Now it's just a lot of screeching. The voices that actually make sense (usually the 40 and over women writers) are being drowned out by the 20-something neo-"feminists" that cling to double standards, shout on Twitter, and can't make intelligent arguments if their lives depended on it. If the clearer heads wrest control of MeToo away from the idiots, I'll pay attention again. Otherwise, I'm out, and the movement can carry on eating itself like it's been doing since at least December.
some people were lumping in bad dates or dissapointing sex into the me too movement. so ridiculous and so demeaning to actual victims of rape and sexual assault. Also, catcalling is not sexual harassment. Someone following you home nightly cooing sexual things is.
I've always said the same thing, it's only sexual harassment if you don't like the guy.
Bill, you are so awesome. Thank you for the laughs and keep it up. You're pretty hard on Trump, but on the other hand I understand why. Always be you.
I’m a Republican who likes Bill Maher. I don’t always agree with him, but he’s genuine, consistent, and funny, and often makes really good points.
1. "Women should never be subjected to unwanted advances from a superior at work!" 2. "OMG that rich, powerful, aggressive Mr. Gray is so sexy!" You can't have your cake and eat it too, ladies.
As a woman, I actual,y agree with this. I’m A due process absolutist though, so.......😂😳😮😀
Gonna take a hard disagree on this one. Fantasies aren’t the same as asking for it. You can find your own thoughts sexy but never want them actually performed, and aside from that, it’s no one else’s right to make advances on you because they assume you like something like 50 shades of grey. Just kinda creepy IMO
@@GavinMichaels doesn’t change the fact that everyone is still entitled to due process of the law. When stuff is tried in the media I believe that due process has already been violated. Just my opinion though.
Movies are fantasies, not real. Violence in movies and videos games are cool and fun. The exact same violence in real life ... Not so cool. Not so fun.
Er---yes they can, apparently---in case you hadn't noticed, they are-taken to its ultimate conclusion, in the very near future, over 95% of the male population will be totally restricted from any form of relationship with females, because that is what women are demanding---if you are not in the top 5% of males you are basically on the reject scrap heap and you'd better start liking it because that's your destiny, mate.
Mr. Maher has been on fire since he came back 🙏👍🙏
4:33 funniest line ever .I died.
So true.
Through and through.
Thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy of #Metoo I thought they would go to Defcom 1 over 50 Shades of Gray.
As a guy thank you Bill for sticking up for us guys I have also dated coworkers.
Brilliantly articulated.
Misread as brilliantly ejaculated
While scrolling too fast
This is exactly what the Aziz Ansari case was about.
A hilarious teaching presentation that cracked me up... thanks bro.
That's life... some women think Brad Pitt is sexy some think he is creepy as hell. Same for me, I've meet some women who think I'm the most perfect man they have met, others think I am the most creepy guy they have met.
Perception is everything. Everyone doesn't have the same perception, nor are they required to.
Hehehehhehe "if that's not office sex than it's certainly stealing office supplies" 🤣🤣
I have 2 friends one treats women like crap and the other puts them on pedestal. Who do you think gets more women? Answer : It is the one who treats women like crap. Women think he is confident, wild and a challenge. They feel the other friend is unconfident, boring and not a challenge. Never could understand it.
A lot of those creepy neckbeards claim they put women on pedestal also, but they tend to have bizarre Madonna/Whore complexes. Girls who go for men who are cruel to them tend to be a certain kind of woman and have issues of their own. It doesn't represent women as a whole.
+Letty Lunasical wrong. all species have primal instincts designed for our specific sex. Males are atracted to submissive females who tend to younger and femaled are atracted to males who are agresive, dominant and are very malicious.
I'm a woman & I have never understood this. Of course, I'm lesbian, but even so, I see this pattern in women. I am slow & tentative in expressing interest or getting to know someone so someone more aggressive always gets the girl. And what is it about women liking "bad boys" or "bad girls"?! I'm basically a good girl who likes good girls, so I haven't even had a date in 20 years & I'm getting old. Sometimes I feel frustrated, but mostly I've given up & don't even try or expect to meet potential partners anymore. I just don't understand. I'm NOT boring! I'm curious, I have a lot of interests, love to learn, am a good storyteller, have had all kinds of adventures, & I make people laugh. People of both sexes & all ages enjoy my company, think I'm fascinating & funny, but no woman ever seems romantically interested.
BTW, it sucks to be placed on a pedestal, b/c you INVARIABLY fall off & then the person is disappointed and sometimes just breaks up b/c they were never really interested in YOU, they were interested in their IMAGE of you. I wouldn't date either of the extremes you mention. There's a way to respect, support, & admire someone w/o turning them into an object of worship or some kind of trophy.
@@Chris-nu5bk My father was a good man. He was not aggressive and not malicious at all. My parents were married for 40 years when my mom died. I know there are good relationships out there. There is someone wrong in American society that is causing all this anger. Men & women certainly don't seem to understand each other. BTW, not all men are attracted to submissive females. Lots of men like strong women. You make it sound like we are all still living in caves. Throughout the animal kingdom there are a multitude of different dynamics in mating & reproductive behavior. Today, I think women are more attracted to men who are good providers, b/c they'd make good fathers, and it has little to do with being dominant or aggressive. The idea that women are attracted to men who are "very malicious" is ludicrous, even from an evolutionary standpoint. Malicious men aren't good husbands & fathers.
"... and it is what women want. But only from the men they want it from."
👏
Message taken: "It's good to be a prince."
It's good to be the king!
yeah
what’s up
you hear Mathew perry died. jimmy carters wife died too. Roslyn carter. was 96. I live bill Maher, I have been watching him for 11 year now. He so good
I agree.
Hey, Failure To Launch was hilarious. Zooey Deschanel kills it!
Yeah, human society tends to get more and more complicated, and we need these types of untangling. What better way than through humor. Maher proved the point for sure. In my language, maher means master, as in having or showing very great skill or proficiency, not master as having servants or slaves. I don't agree with everything he says or does, but he's a master, no doubt.
This was a good segment.
That rule about asking out coworkers is insane. My brother told me he got turned down by a coworker a few months ago, and then told me about that rule and I honestly thought he was fucking with me since he's always been a comedian. When I was a pre-teen and started showing interests in girls, I got turned down a lot and it made me depressed. In an effort to give me confidence, my mom used to tell me that my Dad had to chase her for months before she agreed to go on a date with him (they were coworkers). To think, I wouldn't exist and you wouldn't be reading this right now, had those laws existed back then. In fact, I'd bet some of you wouldn't exist to read this either. Heck a lot less of us would be here.....
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.......come to think of it, maybe that would be a good thing, lol.
Brilliantly said, real human relationships are complicated and messy. There inst only love involved, there is power, influence, money, friends, connections, families, orthodoxies, traditions, cultural and racial barriers and of course religions playing a role and sometimes there are no villains in bad stories and horrible dates. And it would be easier to see the real bad apples, predators, psychos and maniacs if we didn't react only on first sight :)
well, I love Bill Maher.
This. This, so much. I've worked in a bookstore for years. As part of that job, I've had to keep track of the books, including romance novels, so that I could make recommendations to customers. Most of them are fantasies about everything that's forbidden in the public eye, up to and including rape.
I won't pretend to know statistics on this, but in my experience, there's a lot of women who like being dominated, who are turned on by a strong, firm grip on their wrist or even neck, who want to be called dirty whores during sex etc. I know it precisely because I'm not into that. I've always been taught to be nice to women, to not overstep the boundaries etc., and then I had a woman be dissapointed in me for not being rape-y enough during sex. Go figure.
Not all women are the same. Not all men are molesters, either.
@@SweetUniverse thank you! We aren't a hive mind. Most of my female friends are now married to men with whom they had great chemistry right off the bat and after a few dates the chemistry only deepened. There were no catfights or some dranatic pursuing involved, but that would probably not make an interesting movie in Hollywood which is why we always get shown that atrocious 'I hate you then I love you' plot.
Truth hurts and truth will not set you free. It will get you 12 to 25 without parole and listed as a sex offender if the movies were realistic.
You’re so right!
Trumplicated should be a new relationship category for men who are married but cheating.
No, that category should be called "typical relationship"
No, it should be called "sociopathy" or "narcissism"
Which are very common disorders unfortunately..
Cheating is not a disorder. Its just biology.
*married but cheating with sex workers....
Fixed it for you.
[Or should that be married but serial sexual assaulter ?]
There are a lot of things I don't agree with Mr. Maher about but he is funny and I love the conversation...too little of that now.
The point here is this: *people, not just women, accept all kinds of behaviour if they find someone hot* That is just the way it is. Is it hypocrisy? I don't know...
So folks, you don't get to call "sexual harassment" just becasue someone asks you out/tried to court/pursued you when you don't like him BUT AT THE SAME TIME guys shouldn't cry "feminazi!" when you're rejected! OBVIOUSLY, I'm not saying sexual harassment is just when a person doesn't find th eother person attarctive, but I'm talking in the context of New Rules...
We all need to GROW THE HELL UP AND ACCEPT CERTAIN PAINFUL TRUTHS ABOUT WHAT PEOPE LIKE, WHAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE, HOW YOU SHOULD BEHAVE AND COPING WITH REJECTION. It is hard, but that is life....
DITTO. I'm honestly kind of shocked at the amount of people here who seem to think that only women accept otherwise creepy behavior if it's done by someone they think is hot--which of course, even then, #NotAllWomen. I've seen guys literally fuck up their lives over a hot chick. Not because they knew her at all or could name a skill or hobby that he shares with her or a personality trait that he likes about her, but because sHe ThIcC.
I see a lot of "Women are attracted to power/money" comments, too. Like men aren't...?
It's also kind of amazing how many people here seem to think they know all about the other sex when what they have to say generally disproves that attitude. Guys are multi-dimensional humans. Women are multi-dimensional humans. To claim to know anything about what's going through their heads based on limited if not zero experience or solid data is just... silly. We set our own boundaries, our own limits, and we as individuals decide whether or not to tolerate X behavior out of X person.
I'm reminded of when 50shades movies came out at first (or when any romcom etc. comes out). I was like *"keep everything the same, EVERYTHING, but make 1 change...make the guy ugly as hell. Now tell me it is in any way, a sexy story or a legit seduction or whatever you want to call it." It would be the worst thing ever, or super unrealistic or boring...or rapey or whateve the hell is truly wrong with it.*
It is not that men or women want x.y.z - there are no general rules- we are all different, but what we do want, is the attention of someone we find hot. What that is, is again, individual. Madness I tell you! haha
Satyasya Satyasya if we are all different, that means we all need different rules. That means equality cant exsist.
Well, I mean, you kind of get that in Deadpool. It's still kind of messed up that the female lead clearly doesn't give a shit how he looks when so many other ladies would bail...and I say that as a lady. It's like, there's this weird expectancy for women to accept guys however they may look, but women have to be hot to be loved/accepted.
EDIT: Can you imagine how the movie might've gone if she'd been the disfigured one?
On the flip side, there are women out there who are like that--who would totally be down with that guy, regardless of how he looks. It's the same with men, even if the ratio is questionable, in either sense.
That is not what the movement is about. Its about boundaries ams u understanding that no means no. Asking a woman out isnt rape. But if she says no, move on. And perhaps you should consider power dynamics when asking a subordinate. What was wrong with google saying dont ask a person out again if they say no?
This should go viral for a cause.
Bill Maher hits right at the heart of the matter. Us boys are taught by movies and pop culture by the time we're knee-high that if we try and try and try and do all sorts of crazy things, the girl we like will finally yield and finally fall in love with us. Then you realize it doesn't work. And then, on other occasions, you realize it does work ! It entirely depends on the situation and the girl we're going after. But still, you can't fault a guy for just trying.
The average guy rarely ever gets a girl through "love at first sight", simply because we're not such a pretty sight. So we have to rely on something other than love at first sight, which is courtship and in which we are taught to always be the pro-active one and therefore get a little pushy. If you give up immediately, as an average dude, you might as well give up on love and sex forever. You have to make your presence and interest known. And sometimes, you might also have to try a few times before knowing it's gonna work. It's the guys who go beyond that point that are the actual harassers.
Most guys accept rejection. Actually, we're pretty damn boss at it.
You deserve a medal! loooooooooooool
2:44 - sheriff grimes prefers dating to the walking dead.
Thanks bill, very refreshing again
Usually when Bill talks about movies it's the dumbest shit in the world but this time I actually agree with him
Maybe the best panel ever. Fran, Rushdie, heck even a former president of Mexico. Not bad Bill
What women tell you: "Just be yourself, go up and talk to her!"
5 Minutes Later
"So she called me a loser while laughing with her friends, threatened to file a report and call my employer, posted on face book that I'm a creep for even talking to her, and apparently now her brother wants to kick my ass, which she thinks is a great idea, and she's trending on Twitter because of it. Thanks a fucking bunch for the advice, Diane."
The weaponization of sex and gender has gone from Semi Auto to Belt Fed Fully Automatic in 2017.
She's a psycho.
He's saying what I've been thinking since highschool
She looks like the "no capes" women in the Incredibles
Los Angeles SPORTS RADIO no capes!
I'm glade you brings this up. Its not about being creepy that turn women off its about being ugly.
Reading down the comments and am amazed at how many people thought this bit was about movies. It's really really not. The movies are just a way to make a point about how we need to find a sane balance in the era of #MeToo. What he's saying is that not every unwanted advance is intended maliciously. People are complicated, and dating is even moreso. We need to take harassment and assault very very seriously, and it's good that that finally seems to be happening, but we may already be at the point where we are failing to draw a reasonable distinction between the appropriate and inappropriate, and that is almost as bad as ignoring the problem altogether. Hopefully, #MeToo's greatest accomplishment will be inciting a genuine national dialogue that results in a redefinition of the norms that protects actual victims while recognizing that not everybody is one.
Well said Captain Obvious. I haven't came across one comment that sounds like they were focused on the movies and not the point of the subject of what Bill is speaking of.
The rule is: if you are handsome is flirting, if you are ugly is harrassment
I haven't laughed in a while with new rules!
Did you laught this time?
Yeah it's too real and affecting your life...and not in an amusing way.
The Ted Cruz line... I'm dead.