I really thought it was cool that a Ghost was slapping around Roman, I dunno why. Another thing I want to see is an Angel interact with a Ghost, what would he do, just wave his hand and poof it? I can't recall a Ghost/Angel scene. I can't recall a Ghost hunting episode in a long time either lol.
This raises a wonderful point which is that if you don't have iron, salt, or the bones to burn em, spirits can kinda kick a lot of creature's @$$ since they're powerful and without a way to kill em or salt or iron, there's no much fighting back so even if youre tank you'll lose the war of attrition
Well, I don't think Dick would have ever "lost" per se -- at least in terms of being in real, mortal danger. A vengeful spirit just happens to exist in a really unique blind spot of the Leviathans, despite the latter being the objectively more powerful being in the grand scheme of things. At the end of the day, Leviathans are simply the apex monster* on steroids. However, they're still corporeal creatures with no way to interact with an incorporeal disembodied spirit. They're able to overpower & dispatch angels and demons (more powerful beings than your average vengeful spirit)... but I suspect this is because said angels and demons are inhabiting physical vessels which the Leviathans can affect them through. In that same vein, I suspect a Leviathan could destroy a ghost that had possessed a human as well. This is putting aside the fact that Dick & the Leviathans had considerable resources at their disposal and were likely well aware of the lore surrounding vengeful spirits and their weaknesses. Had they anticipated another potential showdown involving Bobby, it would have been fairly trivial for them to prepare countermeasures against him. Demons did the same thing to Sam & Dean when they were engaging in astral projection to try and rescue the Reapers in Season 4 -- and that was improvised on the spot. It's sort of like there being an elephant with a fly buzzing around its eye. The fly isn't in any real danger from the fly. It's annoying, maybe even disorienting and distracting, but that's about it -- and unfortunately for the elephant it doesn't have any really effective way of retaliating. But no one is saying that a fly will beat an elephant or that it's the mightier animal.
@@SaftonYTa human soul or ghost is extremely powerful in the supernatural universe. Jack killed Michael with his soul, sam overpowered lucifer with his soul. Humans cant access their souls while alive which makes them weak.
@@TravellerTinker There are extenuating circumstances in both of those cases. Jack is an extremely edge case. Nephilim are so powerful and dangerous in the first place because they possess the ability to actively siphon power from the "nuclear reactor" that is their human soul using their (already very potent) angelic Grace, essentially fusing the two power sources together in a gestalt manner. Sam references this -- indirectly -- when discussing angelic magic with Henry in Season 8. It seems reasonable to believe that Jack would have an even greater reserve than most, or at least a greater ability to wield it. In regards to Sam, he and Lucifer have explicitly always shared a connection and you have Chuck's indirect interference to account for as well with all of these leading characters. What I'm saying is that -- by and large -- with no Enochian rituals, angelic Grace, or other such mechanics in play, your average vengeful spirit is not in any way depicted within the show to possess the metaphysical "horsepower" to contend with the SPN universe's heavy hitters. Even if they do nominally possess some great reserves of untapped power within their soul (the "nuclear reactor" as Crowley mentioned), they simply can't harness it. Suggesting otherwise would screw up a lot of the show's framing IMO.
Oh I know an Angel could "kill" a ghost. I'm just curious to see them interact with one, would they be all like "why are you here?", "why did you not go with your reaper?" ..etc. And just place a hand on them and pass them on to the other side as they burst into tears or something. I want the boys to be on a ghost hunting episode and then at the last minute of the show an Angel pops in complaining what's taking them so long and he just "reaps" it then ports them out to do something else, lul.
Knowing angels they could care less and would probably be like "Get the fuck outta my face bitch, Freak." An angel that is like how you described would be extremely stoned, bored and isolated.
When I was watching this, I would have enjoyed if Dean had been like, here is a sword take out all you can, and we just see Bobby go to town on those monsters.
Dick Roman talked really tough, but TBH he was pretty much helpless against Bobby. Leviathans in this show don't really have any way to kill anything that they can't touch.
@@TheDarkarrow7 sure, Bobby couldn't kill him but he could toss him around like a rag doll. Dick played it off like it was cool but he was still helpless to escape. Imagine if Bobby was one of the ghosts that had fully mastered his power like the ones he met in a later episode
Well, I don't think Dick would have ever "lost" per se -- at least in terms of being in real, mortal danger. A vengeful spirit just happens to exist in a really unique blind spot of the Leviathans, despite the latter being the objectively more powerful being in the grand scheme of things. At the end of the day, Leviathans are simply the apex monster* on steroids. However, they're still corporeal creatures with no ways to interact with an incorporeal disembodied spirit. They're able to overpower & dispatch angels and demons (again, objectively more powerful beings in the universal hierarchy)... but I suspect this is because said angels and demons are inhabiting physical vessels which the Leviathans can affect them through. In that same vein, I suspect a Leviathan could destroy a ghost that had possessed a human as well. This is putting aside the fact that Dick & the Leviathans had considerable resources at their disposal and were likely well aware of the lore surrounding vengeful spirits and their weaknesses. Had they anticipated another potential showdown involving Bobby, it would have been fairly trivial for them to prepare countermeasures against him. Demons did the same thing to Sam & Dean when they were engaging in astral projection to try and rescue the Reapers in Season 4 -- and that was improvised. It's sort of like there being an elephant with a fly buzzing around its eye. The fly isn't in any real danger from the fly. It's annoying, maybe even disorienting and distracting, but that's about it -- and unfortunately for the elephant it doesn't have any really effective way of retaliating. But no one is saying that a fly will beat an elephant or that it's the mightier animal.
Leviathan are physical beings while angels are spiritual beings and humans are actually both having a soul and a body. Leviathan are suprême physically while angels are suprême in regards of spirits and souls.
Dick Roman was OK, nothing more, the whole leviathan thing seemed forced cause they ran out of great villains. Crowley is more charismatic, I like him better. But the best villains were LUCIFER, ALASTAIR, AZAZEL!!! They were badass, Seasons 6 & 7 kinda lost the touch, Idk if Gamble was fully to blame, but I'm glad she's gone. Season 8 is an improvement to 6 & 7.
But I get you. The fight used to be way better. Like Crowley doesn't teleport anymore when he fights. Nor do the angel, neck they don't even flash. And the alpha vampire was a push over against the levi. Should of made him rip his head off.
Leviathans are purely physical beings though, that's the problem. Angels may be far more powerful than ghosts. But the are physical like the Leviathans, at least while they're in vessels, and hence are vulnerable to the Leviathans' powers. Ghosts on the other hand are non-physical, psychic beings. And as such, the Leviathans aren't able to see or interact with them. Hence, Bobby was able to subdue Dick in this scene, albeit without actually being able to cause him any real damage.
I mean it's Supernatural. Everyone and everything is just a dude in a suit who throws people around with psychic powers. The show gave up on doing anything more than that a very long time ago.
Tbh ghosts’ weaknesses are iron, salt and burning their remains. If you don’t have any of that available, they’re pretty strong, nearly unstoppable... what is Dick supposed to do? He can’t punch him or eat him
Get her out of there ! Nice rescue....now..if someone could only assist with my real life "exit strategy" that would be fantastic ! There are too many "Dick Roman's and other psychotic antagonistic so called "demons" running around here" making my life even more miserable than it already is....
Agree agree agree In their review of The Phantom Menace, the Red Letter Media guys came up with a great character test - discuss a character without mentioning their appearance, species, or vocation. When you remove the fact that Roman is a Leviathan, what is there to say about him? (Bearing in mind Zachariah, Crowley and the Alpha Vampire have already done the whole evil corporate-fatcat routine - better than he did) Not the worst villain in Supernatural, the worst villain on tv.
Dick Roman was unique because he really blended into society which made him harder to fight
I sometimes forget how big Sam is, until he does something like scoop Charlie up like it's no big deal.
Did anyone noticed that he laughed like the joker a little bit or is it just me..
I get what you are saying, he'd make a awesome joker.
@@TheMightsparrow Which joker do you mean? ;)
Mark Hamilton
Yehhh may b joker took it from here😂
He’d be a thousand times better than Jared Leto as the Joker
0:24 WARNING BADASS WINCHESTER ENTRANCE AHEAD!
OMG THANK YOU I LOVE THIS SCENE
Darkchief117 ...right !!
SHOW YOURSELF!
yes hes going to give himself away and let his enemy have a fair chance.
I really thought it was cool that a Ghost was slapping around Roman, I dunno why. Another thing I want to see is an Angel interact with a Ghost, what would he do, just wave his hand and poof it? I can't recall a Ghost/Angel scene. I can't recall a Ghost hunting episode in a long time either lol.
Ghostfacers. Meg Master’s spirit, Henriksen’s spirit.
Dick: "like real monster"
me: like bad cgi...? or glimmering eyes?
Yeah! The CGI was weak in Season 7. But it had NOTHING on the p!ss poor final episode. Still feel cheated lol
This raises a wonderful point which is that if you don't have iron, salt, or the bones to burn em, spirits can kinda kick a lot of creature's @$$ since they're powerful and without a way to kill em or salt or iron, there's no much fighting back so even if youre tank you'll lose the war of attrition
Well, I don't think Dick would have ever "lost" per se -- at least in terms of being in real, mortal danger. A vengeful spirit just happens to exist in a really unique blind spot of the Leviathans, despite the latter being the objectively more powerful being in the grand scheme of things. At the end of the day, Leviathans are simply the apex monster* on steroids. However, they're still corporeal creatures with no way to interact with an incorporeal disembodied spirit.
They're able to overpower & dispatch angels and demons (more powerful beings than your average vengeful spirit)... but I suspect this is because said angels and demons are inhabiting physical vessels which the Leviathans can affect them through. In that same vein, I suspect a Leviathan could destroy a ghost that had possessed a human as well. This is putting aside the fact that Dick & the Leviathans had considerable resources at their disposal and were likely well aware of the lore surrounding vengeful spirits and their weaknesses. Had they anticipated another potential showdown involving Bobby, it would have been fairly trivial for them to prepare countermeasures against him. Demons did the same thing to Sam & Dean when they were engaging in astral projection to try and rescue the Reapers in Season 4 -- and that was improvised on the spot.
It's sort of like there being an elephant with a fly buzzing around its eye. The fly isn't in any real danger from the fly. It's annoying, maybe even disorienting and distracting, but that's about it -- and unfortunately for the elephant it doesn't have any really effective way of retaliating. But no one is saying that a fly will beat an elephant or that it's the mightier animal.
@@SaftonYTa human soul or ghost is extremely powerful in the supernatural universe. Jack killed Michael with his soul, sam overpowered lucifer with his soul. Humans cant access their souls while alive which makes them weak.
@@TravellerTinker There are extenuating circumstances in both of those cases. Jack is an extremely edge case. Nephilim are so powerful and dangerous in the first place because they possess the ability to actively siphon power from the "nuclear reactor" that is their human soul using their (already very potent) angelic Grace, essentially fusing the two power sources together in a gestalt manner. Sam references this -- indirectly -- when discussing angelic magic with Henry in Season 8. It seems reasonable to believe that Jack would have an even greater reserve than most, or at least a greater ability to wield it. In regards to Sam, he and Lucifer have explicitly always shared a connection and you have Chuck's indirect interference to account for as well with all of these leading characters.
What I'm saying is that -- by and large -- with no Enochian rituals, angelic Grace, or other such mechanics in play, your average vengeful spirit is not in any way depicted within the show to possess the metaphysical "horsepower" to contend with the SPN universe's heavy hitters. Even if they do nominally possess some great reserves of untapped power within their soul (the "nuclear reactor" as Crowley mentioned), they simply can't harness it. Suggesting otherwise would screw up a lot of the show's framing IMO.
Oh I know an Angel could "kill" a ghost. I'm just curious to see them interact with one, would they be all like "why are you here?", "why did you not go with your reaper?" ..etc. And just place a hand on them and pass them on to the other side as they burst into tears or something. I want the boys to be on a ghost hunting episode and then at the last minute of the show an Angel pops in complaining what's taking them so long and he just "reaps" it then ports them out to do something else, lul.
Knowing angels they could care less and would probably be like "Get the fuck outta my face bitch, Freak." An angel that is like how you described would be extremely stoned, bored and isolated.
Kevin Zhang Or Cas
I thought the show established that Reapers were a different type of angel or something
I wanted more ghost vs monster stuff
Completely awesome
great he knows bobbys a ghost and with them
It would have been nice to have more interactions between monsters.
Great job 👍
Awesome 😎
When I was watching this, I would have enjoyed if Dean had been like, here is a sword take out all you can, and we just see Bobby go to town on those monsters.
Tell that to Crowley.
Dick Roman talked really tough, but TBH he was pretty much helpless against Bobby. Leviathans in this show don't really have any way to kill anything that they can't touch.
None that we saw
Well Dick barely felt anything while being attacked by Bobby like he said “ You gotta do that again, that tickled”
Just like a ghost cant really damage an leviathan. Bobby would drain his power quickly and just disappear into the Veil.
@@TheDarkarrow7 sure, Bobby couldn't kill him but he could toss him around like a rag doll. Dick played it off like it was cool but he was still helpless to escape. Imagine if Bobby was one of the ghosts that had fully mastered his power like the ones he met in a later episode
Well, I don't think Dick would have ever "lost" per se -- at least in terms of being in real, mortal danger. A vengeful spirit just happens to exist in a really unique blind spot of the Leviathans, despite the latter being the objectively more powerful being in the grand scheme of things. At the end of the day, Leviathans are simply the apex monster* on steroids. However, they're still corporeal creatures with no ways to interact with an incorporeal disembodied spirit.
They're able to overpower & dispatch angels and demons (again, objectively more powerful beings in the universal hierarchy)... but I suspect this is because said angels and demons are inhabiting physical vessels which the Leviathans can affect them through. In that same vein, I suspect a Leviathan could destroy a ghost that had possessed a human as well. This is putting aside the fact that Dick & the Leviathans had considerable resources at their disposal and were likely well aware of the lore surrounding vengeful spirits and their weaknesses. Had they anticipated another potential showdown involving Bobby, it would have been fairly trivial for them to prepare countermeasures against him. Demons did the same thing to Sam & Dean when they were engaging in astral projection to try and rescue the Reapers in Season 4 -- and that was improvised.
It's sort of like there being an elephant with a fly buzzing around its eye. The fly isn't in any real danger from the fly. It's annoying, maybe even disorienting and distracting, but that's about it -- and unfortunately for the elephant it doesn't have any really effective way of retaliating. But no one is saying that a fly will beat an elephant or that it's the mightier animal.
0:38 bloodborne sound
one of the beast guys i think.
I never got the scary of the leviathan a little bleach, a blade and a head casket and bam out of commission.
Season 7 might be the weakest season but Dick Roman was a lot of fun
Unpopular opinion 💯💯
Dick Roman(Leviathan) for President,
Can't be any worse than what we have now....
Pwahahaha you thought Obama was bad, look at the shit you have now
Obama was fucking terrible but thank goodness trump saved this place for a few more years
Remember the hunters
🙏✌️hunters
Leviathans are Purgatory being. And they can easily defeat angels, but they cannot see or hurt the human spirit????
well... Bobby is a soul/spirit and souls are powerfull and i guess humans weren't there when the Leviathans were created or something.
Leviathan are physical beings while angels are spiritual beings and humans are actually both having a soul and a body.
Leviathan are suprême physically while angels are suprême in regards of spirits and souls.
Painfully ironic
There's No Such Thing As Monsters
You are very wrong
Remember Adam half brother
Dick Roman was OK, nothing more, the whole leviathan thing seemed forced cause they ran out of great villains. Crowley is more charismatic, I like him better. But the best villains were LUCIFER, ALASTAIR, AZAZEL!!! They were badass, Seasons 6 & 7 kinda lost the touch, Idk if Gamble was fully to blame, but I'm glad she's gone. Season 8 is an improvement to 6 & 7.
This scene doesnt make any sense,
Ghost < Demon < Angel < Leviathan . WTF is happening here!
But I get you. The fight used to be way better. Like Crowley doesn't teleport anymore when he fights. Nor do the angel, neck they don't even flash.
And the alpha vampire was a push over against the levi. Should of made him rip his head off.
Leviathans are purely physical beings though, that's the problem. Angels may be far more powerful than ghosts. But the are physical like the Leviathans, at least while they're in vessels, and hence are vulnerable to the Leviathans' powers. Ghosts on the other hand are non-physical, psychic beings. And as such, the Leviathans aren't able to see or interact with them. Hence, Bobby was able to subdue Dick in this scene, albeit without actually being able to cause him any real damage.
I mean it's Supernatural. Everyone and everything is just a dude in a suit who throws people around with psychic powers. The show gave up on doing anything more than that a very long time ago.
Well bobby had a lot of fan support.
Tbh ghosts’ weaknesses are iron, salt and burning their remains. If you don’t have any of that available, they’re pretty strong, nearly unstoppable... what is Dick supposed to do? He can’t punch him or eat him
I like season 7 but it has too many plans
Get her out of there ! Nice rescue....now..if someone could only assist with my real life "exit strategy" that would be fantastic ! There are too many "Dick Roman's and other psychotic antagonistic so called "demons" running around here" making my life even more miserable than it already is....
1:07 ... he kind of looks like Seth McFarlane here...
Remember Castile Gabe officer mills Ben and Lisa old family friends👮🏿♀️
Dick Roman shoulda bibbed himself. What’s his #1 rule? There’s no such thing as monsters
Where Castile Gabe Adam officer mills Ben and Lisa👮
I frigging hated D!ck so much, definitely the most arrogant antagonist in Supernatural's legacy
Agree agree agree
In their review of The Phantom Menace, the Red Letter Media guys came up with a great character test - discuss a character without mentioning their appearance, species, or vocation.
When you remove the fact that Roman is a Leviathan, what is there to say about him? (Bearing in mind Zachariah, Crowley and the Alpha Vampire have already done the whole evil corporate-fatcat routine - better than he did)
Not the worst villain in Supernatural, the worst villain on tv.
Clearly you've never seen Glory on Buffy.
Dick Roman is the worst villain in Supernatural
All leviathans in supernatural were