I love my LMF2 and I think the sheath system alone with the leg straps and seat belt cutter with pouch is worth more than half the entire cost of the package alone!
After years and years reading different reviews about the LMFII, good, bad, excellent,.....I decided go after one, I ordered one online. I have to said, is a really good knife, really good. But is not for every one, if you want a pure bushcraft knife? is not for you, off course can do the job but you can find a lot of better options. A survival knife? yes you can. Camping knife? yes you can, all around knife, military knife or just a good knife to have for all this different situations ? yes, is a good knife. Now I have it, it's not my first choice, but I´m really happy with in my collection and I enjoy a lot using it on my trips.
Joranba I feel the same way. I have the Prodigy, which is just a smaller Lmf, and its an awesome utility knife. I still take a Mora camping and hiking, but if it comes time to bug out, I'm reaching for the Prodigy.
This Gerber knife & kit are GI issue to US Air Force SERE/air crews. They call it ATAK or ACAK something. I also think the sage green LMF II has a NSN # but I may be wrong. I own a brown/tan Gerber LMF II with the added kit. I think Gerber no longer offers that format to the general public. I paid around $85.00 from PoliceStore.com . I keep the safety tool(with tan nylon sheath) in my Jeep. By my LMF II in the Gerber sheath. I used it a few times but have not gone hunting or camping with it. I put some Ballistol on the LMF II & it's held up. No rust or problems. The blade is meant for military air crews or pilots. Some EOD & special ops units say its worked well. The knife does not have a full tang. This is to aid the cut or saw of cables or wires.
Hey Tac. ....if it won't perform and pass your qualification with better than an 8 I won't invest the money. ..I'd rather have that $9.00 knife you threaten the Gerber with. (that was great!!!!!). Thanks again Tac Great vid brother.
as usual great vid Tac. Just tossing in a side note, its not full tang its about 3/4 tang. Definitely agree on the final verdict tho, i do like Gerber and have a LMF 2 myself and i love it, but yeah one of Gerbers problems as seen with this knife is its a bit overpriced. and thats why i love your work, you give a good honest review and have fun doing it.
It is a fighting knife that you could do other things with,I had the older LMF and the BMF they were killer, the sheath is made to allow for upside down carry on vest
My opinion of Gerber is that they do have some really cool and unique (sometimes) concepts and designs but they end up dicking it up in execution. Poor material choices, bad craftsmanship, and over priced. I'll use their Downrange tomahawk as a prime example, interesting unique concept, but dicked up with its price for 420HC steel.
+Robert N Exactly! Well said. Their recent designs have been nice, but what always keeps me away is the steel. I'm no steel snob, but I honestly can't stand 420HC. The only plus of it is corrosion resistance. That's about it. Plus for the price tags that they're laying on these blades, they should upgrade to 1095.
Yogangster1995 I'm not really even against them using it, but the least they could do is be honest about using it and price it fair. Buck's 420HC is far better than Gerber's and they offer it at a better price for what you get and they tell you flat out that its 420HC
Exactly my thoughts. I bought and returned three Strongarms, all of which had bevels like that bloody LMF here and where dull as f.... Two were also not straight. No more Gerber for me. Good ideas, terrible execution.
I think you have one of the older versions Tac. That logo is the old Gerber logo. I have one of the newer versions and mine had none of those problems. Then again, they could just be outliers, but who knows. Good test nonetheless!
Hey Tac! I own an older model of the Gerber and must say it's a pretty darn good knife. The bevel on mine isn't messed up though and it has not let me down yet! But I agree, there might be a few better knives for the pricepoint. Thanks for your vids and reviews! Keep it up & greetings from Germany!
It drives me nuts to see poor fit and finish. looking at a knife in the store and the angles are that off it would go right back on the shelf. It did seem to be a tuff knife and the handle does look comfortable. Another great review Tac! keep them coming! take care Mark
I just bought the smaller Prodigy IMHO its an awesome knife and I think you would like it better than the LMF. Its a great camp knife and mine came fricken razor sharp, also the grip doesn't have that stupid plastic insert (why Gerber would you do such a thing?).. Anyways the reason it seems over built sheath wise is because it had to be jump certified, and if ya do think about military the leg straps would be fricken way cool for spec ops guys. You should send it back to Gerber cause of that messed up bevel Tac their warranty is awesome and have them send ya the Prodigy or new Strongarm.
bought it, used it, blade started coming loose in the handle. so I sent it back to Gerber they sent me another one few months later after I started to use it again same problem started happening so I just started using a 20$ schrade ot165. and its held up way better then the 60$ Gerber.
TAC, about the poplar... I've seen it listed as both a weak hardwood, and a strong hardwood. It would be great for tomahawks, but due to how light it is it kinda sucks as a splitting axe handle. It would do okay as a combat ax handle.
Say Heah Tac't, I usually don't disagree with you, But the Gerber LMF is one hell of a Tuff Knife that's Soldier Approved. And you know how I feel about survival and bush craft knives should work in both scenarios. A good Survival Knife should be a good Bush Craft Knife. But Whittling/Carving are Task Specific, I'm talking a knife that you can totally depend on in the bush, Yeah I like the Gerber LMF..
hey tac i used my friends lmf ll has like handle scales below the molded rubber on the handle. like two peases carved out put together and then they mold rubber around it to keep the scales together. when using the blade there aperd a gap betwen the scales that was like 3mm big. and its not a fake one. It was bought on gerbers own webbsite. It seemd like a common problen that no one ever brought up. is that the case on this one? exuse my english. good vid as always tac keep them comming.
I'm not sure why people bother with this one. It's not for us regular joes. Test the Prodigy instead, (which I own and I'm very happy with it, I don't go gung-ho on wood with any of my knives, I use saws for that, so the size is good for me) this is a specialized knife because of the 3/4 tang and separation between the pommel and tang, so it can cut live wires and all that. Or just test the Strongarm, which has gotten a lot of praise from other TH-cam channels.
AGREED.... these blades are actually good for their intended purpose, the Gerber hate and stupid uninformed comments is getting so old. It only takes about 10 minutes to find the info and serious abuse test on the LMF2 which proves they are very good knives. My Prodigy came razor freaking sharp and the serrations are wicked in the woods I have really become a fan of these blades.
ha 2 years later... I own all three, and beat the piss out of all of them camping/touring. The LMF gets the most abuse due to its size-- but its plastic inner frame cracked the first time I used it to baton logs for a fire. However, I just kept using it to see when it would disintegrate, and it has held up "broken" for a while now. Ideally, this is what I want: A knife with the design of the Prodigy, the steel and sheath of the LMF, and the size of the Strongarm (handle is too thin). It's worth 60... if I had to take ONE, Prodigy, bc design is simple. But goddang, Gerber needs to put the serrations on the Right side of the blade... so annoying.
I noticed that this knife is identical to the Bear Grylls survival knife. I have one of the BG knives, its not bad but I see no purpose for the serrations. I do like the handle though, comfortable and grippy. Its not worth the $ imo, for $25-30 then yeah. Though Im impressed with their Strong arm model, especially for being 420HCSS, which is probably their best model for its price. I am surprised you didn't break this one! Lol, until next time.... :)
$100 bucks good knife. I’ve seen worse. Your baton-ing was making me crazy. Great vid as usual. I’m late to the party on this one. Just picked one up for GP use. Will see. Gerber does a good job if made in USA. Thanks Tac
Great review, fun to watch you beat the crap outta that motha *beep* ;) & that grind is seriously shameful! I definitely agree, there are better options out there in this price range. Thanks for sharing, as always Tac!
the handle on mine just broke about 1 7/8"s of an inche back from the tip of the pommel. That seems to be where the metal pommel meets the non metallic spine of the handle. Looks like just the rubber outer handle material holds the two together. Hmmmm. I wonder what the infantry guys would think about that?
Meh, i hate gerber. I had a gator machete and it sucked big time. The steel was sooo soft, and it didn't hold an edge. At least it was cheap. Have a great Xmas Tac! Great test!
1am necor-post ================ Glad I'm not the only person not that into serrated... My brother loved it. I refuse to own one. I don't know what they changed since you did this... now is $124 from Gerber and $80 - $90 elsewhere. Not a fan of Gerber really and way better knives out there for the same cash. But thanks for giving it an honest try.
I got another gerber knife like that one, not sure the model but walmart sold it for 50, they still do but a model without the serration now. I got one with, for 5 bucks, (no sheath) it was a display model. The guy there just wanted to get rid of a bunch of old knifes that were hiding in a bucket and sold it to me wanting to see a destruction video. If I ever get a camera and can make that video, I'll totally let you know. The guy wanted to know if it was full tang or not since it's not described to be. I probably wont smash it just to smash it but I'll definitely be extra rough on it.
Wow Gerber is just a faint shadow of what they once were, that sheath looks like it was designed by a committee :). As usual Tac. You don't hold back........ good review nevertheless. !
I own several knifes Gerber is worth every penny I own all 3 full tang models as tactical knife and survival situation these knife built like tank knifes were never made to split logs and chop down trees that's when axe comes in
i got one of these back when i was first getting into knives after watching noss's destruction series on it. it's super tough and even though i don't want to like it, i can't say it's bad.
cool but not a Gerber fan very much after I twisted the machete scandi grind chopping they changed the way they made the blade cause my old one is still a beast is why I went to buy a second one and I ruined done with Gerber lol sucks
The "Strongarm" non serrated blade is a better knife ;) Plus the sheath is world's better (without the retention strap) and worn horizontally. Plus cheaper and still made in the USA.
that knife is not full tang and I'm building a better one out of a piece of of metal that is the same thickness that the tang is. And if you take the knife apart you will be know why you get a shock using it
Everything you put this knife to do in this video is the exact opposite of why the knife was made The lmf. Is a physical hand to hand combat tool. And. The bottom side of .. it. Is a. destroyer to get thru. glass and metal. Etc. that’s y there’s little to no shockwave to the handle
I agree with you tac but I.m.o Gerber shit the bed a long time ago for what they are charging I can get a schrade condor,cold steel or a crkt that's a better design and quality Goethe price of that knife
Awww yeaahh, Tac's testing the greatest knife company in the wor... wait. You're testing a Gerber? Aw hell, what are you testing a Gerber for? My pos knife can do better then that. Half jokes aside, keep up the good work man. Seriously though, it seems crap knives do better then Gerber.
Blue Mountain Bushcraft and Outdoors is very experienced with this knife. Even likes the serrations.
I love my LMF2 and I think the sheath system alone with the leg straps and seat belt cutter with pouch is worth more than half the entire cost of the package alone!
After years and years reading different reviews about the LMFII, good, bad, excellent,.....I decided go after one, I ordered one online. I have to said, is a really good knife, really good. But is not for every one, if you want a pure bushcraft knife? is not for you, off course can do the job but you can find a lot of better options. A survival knife? yes you can. Camping knife? yes you can, all around knife, military knife or just a good knife to have for all this different situations ? yes, is a good knife. Now I have it, it's not my first choice, but I´m really happy with in my collection and I enjoy a lot using it on my trips.
Joranba I feel the same way. I have the Prodigy, which is just a smaller Lmf, and its an awesome utility knife. I still take a Mora camping and hiking, but if it comes time to bug out, I'm reaching for the Prodigy.
This Gerber knife & kit are GI issue to US Air Force SERE/air crews. They call it ATAK or ACAK something. I also think the sage green LMF II has a NSN # but I may be wrong. I own a brown/tan Gerber LMF II with the added kit. I think Gerber no longer offers that format to the general public. I paid around $85.00 from PoliceStore.com . I keep the safety tool(with tan nylon sheath) in my Jeep. By my LMF II in the Gerber sheath. I used it a few times but have not gone hunting or camping with it. I put some Ballistol on the LMF II & it's held up. No rust or problems. The blade is meant for military air crews or pilots. Some EOD & special ops units say its worked well. The knife does not have a full tang. This is to aid the cut or saw of cables or wires.
Did some chopping with mine on a branch, and the blade got all wobbly. Plastic junk.
Thanks Tac for your opinion, thats what i acetyl also thought about it, take care my friend and have a great xmas time, Taro
Hey Tac. ....if it won't perform and pass your qualification with better than an 8 I won't invest the money. ..I'd rather have that $9.00 knife you threaten the Gerber with. (that was great!!!!!). Thanks again Tac Great vid brother.
as usual great vid Tac. Just tossing in a side note, its not full tang its about 3/4 tang. Definitely agree on the final verdict tho, i do like Gerber and have a LMF 2 myself and i love it, but yeah one of Gerbers problems as seen with this knife is its a bit overpriced. and thats why i love your work, you give a good honest review and have fun doing it.
It is a fighting knife that you could do other things with,I had the older LMF and the BMF they were killer, the sheath is made to allow for upside down carry on vest
My opinion of Gerber is that they do have some really cool and unique (sometimes) concepts and designs but they end up dicking it up in execution. Poor material choices, bad craftsmanship, and over priced. I'll use their Downrange tomahawk as a prime example, interesting unique concept, but dicked up with its price for 420HC steel.
+Robert N Exactly! Well said. Their recent designs have been nice, but what always keeps me away is the steel. I'm no steel snob, but I honestly can't stand 420HC. The only plus of it is corrosion resistance. That's about it. Plus for the price tags that they're laying on these blades, they should upgrade to 1095.
Yogangster1995 I'm not really even against them using it, but the least they could do is be honest about using it and price it fair. Buck's 420HC is far better than Gerber's and they offer it at a better price for what you get and they tell you flat out that its 420HC
So they're the KelTec of the knife world?
Ninemmfan no, they're the Remington of the knife world ;)
Exactly my thoughts. I bought and returned three Strongarms, all of which had bevels like that bloody LMF here and where dull as f.... Two were also not straight. No more Gerber for me. Good ideas, terrible execution.
I think you have one of the older versions Tac. That logo is the old Gerber logo. I have one of the newer versions and mine had none of those problems. Then again, they could just be outliers, but who knows. Good test nonetheless!
Hey Tac!
I own an older model of the Gerber and must say it's a pretty darn good knife. The bevel on mine isn't messed up though and it has not let me down yet!
But I agree, there might be a few better knives for the pricepoint.
Thanks for your vids and reviews!
Keep it up & greetings from Germany!
hey tac, i love the way the intro video its you wrecking sh*t up and the music its so soothing haha, keep it up mate
It drives me nuts to see poor fit and finish. looking at a knife in the store and the angles are that off it would go right back on the shelf. It did seem to be a tuff knife and the handle does look comfortable. Another great review Tac! keep them coming! take care
Mark
Good points on the "for the money" part.
Awwwyeah! waking up with Tac!
Totally agree with you Tac, not a bad knife but maybe just a lil too pricey
Good shit tac !! As usual !!you da man
I just bought the smaller Prodigy IMHO its an awesome knife and I think you would like it better than the LMF. Its a great camp knife and mine came fricken razor sharp, also the grip doesn't have that stupid plastic insert (why Gerber would you do such a thing?)..
Anyways the reason it seems over built sheath wise is because it had to be jump certified, and if ya do think about military the leg straps would be fricken way cool for spec ops guys. You should send it back to Gerber cause of that messed up bevel Tac their warranty is awesome and have them send ya the Prodigy or new Strongarm.
you can wrap the straps backwards so you can quick draw the knife. Knife is not as bad as other gerbers i have
bought it, used it, blade started coming loose in the handle. so I sent it back to Gerber they sent me another one few months later after I started to use it again same problem started happening so I just started using a 20$ schrade ot165. and its held up way better then the 60$ Gerber.
Keep Rockin' Brother!
Great Video, as usual!
Peace!
TAC, about the poplar... I've seen it listed as both a weak hardwood, and a strong hardwood. It would be great for tomahawks, but due to how light it is it kinda sucks as a splitting axe handle. It would do okay as a combat ax handle.
I've got one of these knives, I love everything about it except the weight
@Brian p it was factory sharpened, about 7 out of 10, acceptable.
Say Heah Tac't, I usually don't disagree with you, But the Gerber LMF is one hell of a Tuff Knife that's Soldier Approved. And you know how I feel about survival and bush craft knives should work in both scenarios. A good Survival Knife should be a good Bush Craft Knife. But Whittling/Carving are Task Specific, I'm talking a knife that you can totally depend on in the bush, Yeah I like the Gerber LMF..
Great review big dog
Tac, will you ever do an archery video
hey tac i used my friends lmf ll has like handle scales below the molded rubber on the handle. like two peases carved out put together and then they mold rubber around it to keep the scales together. when using the blade there aperd a gap betwen the scales that was like 3mm big. and its not a fake one. It was bought on gerbers own webbsite. It seemd like a common problen that no one ever brought up. is that the case on this one?
exuse my english. good vid as always tac keep them comming.
I'm not sure why people bother with this one. It's not for us regular joes. Test the Prodigy instead, (which I own and I'm very happy with it, I don't go gung-ho on wood with any of my knives, I use saws for that, so the size is good for me) this is a specialized knife because of the 3/4 tang and separation between the pommel and tang, so it can cut live wires and all that. Or just test the Strongarm, which has gotten a lot of praise from other TH-cam channels.
AGREED.... these blades are actually good for their intended purpose, the Gerber hate and stupid uninformed comments is getting so old. It only takes about 10 minutes to find the info and serious abuse test on the LMF2 which proves they are very good knives. My Prodigy came razor freaking sharp and the serrations are wicked in the woods I have really become a fan of these blades.
ha 2 years later... I own all three, and beat the piss out of all of them camping/touring. The LMF gets the most abuse due to its size-- but its plastic inner frame cracked the first time I used it to baton logs for a fire. However, I just kept using it to see when it would disintegrate, and it has held up "broken" for a while now. Ideally, this is what I want: A knife with the design of the Prodigy, the steel and sheath of the LMF, and the size of the Strongarm (handle is too thin). It's worth 60... if I had to take ONE, Prodigy, bc design is simple. But goddang, Gerber needs to put the serrations on the Right side of the blade... so annoying.
I just picked up a strongarm in fde. tan with no serrations man it is a good looking and feeling knife!
I noticed that this knife is identical to the Bear Grylls survival knife. I have one of the BG knives, its not bad but I see no purpose for the serrations. I do like the handle though, comfortable and grippy. Its not worth the $ imo, for $25-30 then yeah. Though Im impressed with their Strong arm model, especially for being 420HCSS, which is probably their best model for its price. I am surprised you didn't break this one! Lol, until next time.... :)
Thanx Tac !
Great test TAC!
$100 bucks good knife. I’ve seen worse.
Your baton-ing was making me crazy.
Great vid as usual. I’m late to the party on this one. Just picked one up for GP use.
Will see. Gerber does a good job if made in USA. Thanks Tac
Great review, fun to watch you beat the crap outta that motha *beep* ;) & that grind is seriously shameful! I definitely agree, there are better options out there in this price range. Thanks for sharing, as always Tac!
the double snap strap I cut the lower one off on mine.
Arkansas Bushcraft same
I di the same on my prodigy
How many knives can cut electrical ..I guess if your always in the woods it a non issue
the handle on mine just broke about 1 7/8"s of an inche back from the tip of the pommel. That seems to be where the metal pommel meets the non metallic spine of the handle. Looks like just the rubber outer handle material holds the two together. Hmmmm. I wonder what the infantry guys would think about that?
Meh, i hate gerber. I had a gator machete and it sucked big time. The steel was sooo soft, and it didn't hold an edge. At least it was cheap. Have a great Xmas Tac! Great test!
Not a fan of serrations. The SCHF51 is a more solid and better performing knife at 41 bucks shipped. Great vid.
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Glad I'm not the only person not that into serrated... My brother loved it. I refuse to own one.
I don't know what they changed since you did this... now is $124 from Gerber and $80 - $90 elsewhere. Not a fan of Gerber really and way better knives out there for the same cash.
But thanks for giving it an honest try.
Not a bad way to start off the day! Vid from Tac!
I got another gerber knife like that one, not sure the model but walmart sold it for 50, they still do but a model without the serration now. I got one with, for 5 bucks, (no sheath) it was a display model. The guy there just wanted to get rid of a bunch of old knifes that were hiding in a bucket and sold it to me wanting to see a destruction video.
If I ever get a camera and can make that video, I'll totally let you know. The guy wanted to know if it was full tang or not since it's not described to be.
I probably wont smash it just to smash it but I'll definitely be extra rough on it.
it's the prodigy I guess.
First! Hey, Tac. Love your videos. Keep 'em coming!
not sure if you've done a video on it, but you really need to check out "cold steel finn wolf"
Wow Gerber is just a faint shadow of what they once were, that sheath looks like it was designed by a committee :). As usual Tac. You don't hold back........ good review nevertheless. !
Hola quisiera saber si pude ser que este cuchillo sea fabricado en china o solo las falsificaciones copia a si realmente se fabrica en china
Wow awesome music!
Did the grip fail during battoning? Some people report broken grip.
I own several knifes Gerber is worth every penny I own all 3 full tang models as tactical knife and survival situation these knife built like tank knifes were never made to split logs and chop down trees that's when axe comes in
Great test,
Yo tac you should review the gerber golok machete
Until the next time we meet.
1:21 Funniest thing I have heard this week.
Good review, playboy!
i got one of these back when i was first getting into knives after watching noss's destruction series on it. it's super tough and even though i don't want to like it, i can't say it's bad.
Why i ditched this knife over BG ultimate pro version is that it's not FULL TANG. Case closed. I don't trust half tang knives in extreme situations.
good vid brother
Why would I get this over the BK7. Seems like it does everything worse :/
Can you test the gerber gator bush machete?
wow its only 5:30 and tacs already uploaded woohoo
420?420?!420! blaze it...
hey tac
do you have any knives you'd like to trade for a buck punk?
Good vid...
never really turned me on. "don't make me get the $9 knife out....". lol!
Easily one of my worst knives. I would not trust it with my life. Edge retention is horrible and the rubber on the handle isn't very durable
cool but not a Gerber fan very much after I twisted the machete scandi grind chopping they changed the way they made the blade cause my old one is still a beast is why I went to buy a second one and I ruined done with Gerber lol sucks
The "Strongarm" non serrated blade is a better knife ;)
Plus the sheath is world's better (without the retention strap) and worn horizontally.
Plus cheaper and still made in the USA.
nice review
Test the gerber downrange tomahawk
that knife is not full tang and I'm building a better one out of a piece of of metal that is the same thickness that the tang is. And if you take the knife apart you will be know why you get a shock using it
Everything you put this knife to do in this video is the exact opposite of why the knife was made The lmf. Is a physical hand to hand combat tool. And. The bottom side of .. it. Is a. destroyer to get thru. glass and metal. Etc. that’s y there’s little to no shockwave to the handle
Thought of a fan base nickname: "TacTurds"
+Chris Tanner ya mother doesn't love ya
Guess that's why she didn't move around much. *argues with obvious troll account as Chris has already posted to this video under his channel name*
you started it lol I meant tacturd endearingly i love his videos.
I like the strong arm better in my opinion
the Gerber Strongarm is tougher. it is a beast of a knife.
this knife looks like bear grylls came up with the design..
Gerber makes really good baby food. And knives, apparently. Jk. Funny, my phone kept changing Gerber to Berber and even Ferber! No respect.
Hatchet to process wood knife to process flesh .
I forgot to add in previous comment that you should have broke out your trident. Lol
I agree with you tac but I.m.o Gerber shit the bed a long time ago for what they are charging I can get a schrade condor,cold steel or a crkt that's a better design and quality Goethe price of that knife
the voice!
What state are you in??
Every gerber i ever had was fucked up in some way.
This knife is too heavy for use in the military sadly
Sean B too heavy for who and what? I do t know whether to take this seriously or not?
If you’re wearing all your gear, complete with a 40 pound ruck and a tactical vest, a knife on your belt will quickly become a nightmare.
Sean B ok, I don't think so - a good knife is worth its weight in gold and this one is- remember u can strap this knife to your leg or calf
Light em up tac
Tac cmon man !! 5 3/4. Just say 5. It sucked. Or maybe 5 1/8 haha (even numbers are sufficient)
Fuckin thing falls apart after you chop a little with it
need a good hunting knife tac
I love mine but that's probably because I got it for free lol
I have this knife and omg it is great and I dog it out
Mine is tan though
The reason I got it is because my uncle was in the marine corps and they used these in Afghanistan
Say Heah Tac'ie, I'm looking for a Gerber LMF in the 12c27 Stainless. But in new condition. Anyone that want's to part with one, Chime in.,,.
How can you tell whether it's 12c27 or 44HC steel?
sorry i prefer my shrade schf9 does better joob but nice Video
I rolled the serrations on a Gerber field dressing a deer. no thanks
Awww yeaahh, Tac's testing the greatest knife company in the wor... wait. You're testing a Gerber? Aw hell, what are you testing a Gerber for? My pos knife can do better then that.
Half jokes aside, keep up the good work man. Seriously though, it seems crap knives do better then Gerber.
for the *
Gerber is shit, might not even pick it up from a zombie in case of a Shtf situation.
Derp