I started tagging more after watching your video with Brian Mackey. It takes a little while to build up the tags and get used to it, but its certainly worth it. I am more efficient now and it's helping me fly through stuff. The scheduling too is great because I can see where I have used the notes, update them, quantify etc. Brilliant
Brilliant, so great to get a confirmation of what i have been teaching my Architectural Technology students at TU Dublin. I started to use MultiCat Familys and Material Tags a few years ago. It just made sense. I use the Description, Type Mark, Type Comments system parameters and Assembly Code connected to a Uniclass Txt file. I have 4 Multicat Tag Familys Construction 1/ Description + Type Mark, 2/Type Mark Only, 3/Elevation Tag (connected to the Type Comments parameter) and Uniclass for Detail Layouts. I use the Material Tag for Detail materials etc.
I've been working through the same things and using Multi-Categroy and Material tags to do it. Problem is building up the environment and then getting everyone on the project team to play ball with it. Some old habits die hard, and for large project under tight deadlines it makes it even more challenging.
If you want to align the tags, you have to create a family with only two reference panes in it. Then load in a family as a group into the tag family. I do this for every single one of my annotation families. Works like a charm. Reach out if you want me to share the reference plane family.
You can use Notepad to create a nice bullet list and paste it into the description parameter for example a wall, roof, or floor composition. If I could send a picture it would be easier to understand.
When detailing, we like using multi-category tags that have both type and instance combined. E.g. type comments and comments. So can use the same detail item type and still annotate instance info like spacings and embendment without having lots of family types. Starting to also trial filters that trigger off set words like existing and beyond, to override visuals. Dash and half tone detail items.
How were you able to get a single tag to reference both parameters? Did you need two separate labels in the tag family? Edit: Just realized you can load multiple parameters into a single label. Using Type Comments and Comments, working well so far
@jcn93 yes, placing multiple labels, some labels with the 2 parameters combined like typecomments & comments, and set them up with visibility parameters and then create types to reflect the visibitly parameters.
Multi category tags seem to work really well with the type /instance Comments type marks etc. Ive Even set one up for tagging window schedules so the notes can be adjusted from a master list. The ability to schedule parameters and control the notes from that is a big bonus. One thing I want to improve with them is how to audit notes between modelled items and detail items that should be described consistently. That is where I see it struggling over compared to keynotes.
I was thinking its maybe about family name setup like if the model item and detail item have the same code they could possibly be sorted in a schedule that essentially becomes like a keynote file within revit @TheRevitKid
Good approach - personally im using metrial and category tags along with detail tags wherever i need to embelish a sheet with 2d components. For the batting however, i had to create a line based component or a regular component that contains an array composed of a singular squigly line. You can then add background and top/bottom/end lines to contain it - all linked to visibility parameters so you can turn on/off anything you need . Same, or similar, approach ive used for smart lines - regular are equally dumb as batting hence the concept of smartenning them. Now we can tag pretty much everything. After all Revit is just a 3d data base so once you have a content in you should be able to extract any information via tags.
Finaly someone that use the description materiasl as they should, im allway pro description materials and bring it to the documentations, i will like to show you my material finished plans views they have planty of tags for layers on walls jajaja its a nightmare for someones jajaja. On favor for this approach
I have always done this since I learned Revit 5 years ago because I never learned to use Keynotes. I was taught to automate everything in Revit that's why I don't use keynotes.
Great video. I've played with material tags, but getting people on board with CORRECTLY editing materials makes it difficult. Getting them to a "standard" has been a battle to say the least.
Never understood while people just default to using text, or even keynotes if they're feeling brave. It always ends in them running around in circles and producing inconsistent documentaion. Revit was designed to associate data from the very beginning and it's not difficult to review either. Good video Jeff.
Interesting risk mitigation strategy and clarity for notation. The only thing I'm not a fan of is the leader shoulder location on multi line text and text extent. The largest challenge I see is if you are working with others and making sure they are trained behind you in larger firms like mine.
Do you find the material tags lose there hosting when printing sheets? As still finding that is an issue in 2024, when tagging the likes of wall linings and finishes in plan. Yet keynotes dont.
Do you have a keyboard shortcut to quickly get to the 'Description' cell? I've added -T to open 'Type Properties' but then no quick KB shortcut to open 'Identity Data' and then to open 'Description'. 'Description' does not show up in KB options. Any suggestions?
can you schedule a family and the materials that make up the family? I want to schedule a "wall Assembly" for example, and instead of listing manually just take the list from the wall materials
Are there any issues with tags that use instance parameters wanting to break model or detail groups when changing the instance parameter of an asset in the group?
I've been using MC and mat tags for more than a decade. For the MC is created shared parameters to keep the standard "comments" for other purposes. They have worked tremendously well thru the years. This is, until I joind a new company. They like arc leaders and they won't budge. And thats the end. They prefer to type everything with text so they can have the arc leaders. If anyone knows how to have arc leaders on MC and material tags please let me know :)
Its text wrapping that has stopped me from going all in, also i prefer curved leaders, but happy for this discussion its obviously preferred to be automated as much as possible
I started tagging more after watching your video with Brian Mackey. It takes a little while to build up the tags and get used to it, but its certainly worth it. I am more efficient now and it's helping me fly through stuff. The scheduling too is great because I can see where I have used the notes, update them, quantify etc. Brilliant
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Brilliant, so great to get a confirmation of what i have been teaching my Architectural Technology students at TU Dublin. I started to use MultiCat Familys and Material Tags a few years ago. It just made sense. I use the Description, Type Mark, Type Comments system parameters and Assembly Code connected to a Uniclass Txt file. I have 4 Multicat Tag Familys Construction 1/ Description + Type Mark, 2/Type Mark Only, 3/Elevation Tag (connected to the Type Comments parameter) and Uniclass for Detail Layouts. I use the Material Tag for Detail materials etc.
@@dr.malachymathewsfciat8682 awesome!!! Your students are lucky to have you ! 😎
I've been working through the same things and using Multi-Categroy and Material tags to do it. Problem is building up the environment and then getting everyone on the project team to play ball with it. Some old habits die hard, and for large project under tight deadlines it makes it even more challenging.
If you want to align the tags, you have to create a family with only two reference panes in it. Then load in a family as a group into the tag family. I do this for every single one of my annotation families. Works like a charm. Reach out if you want me to share the reference plane family.
You can use Notepad to create a nice bullet list and paste it into the description parameter for example a wall, roof, or floor composition. If I could send a picture it would be easier to understand.
When detailing, we like using multi-category tags that have both type and instance combined. E.g. type comments and comments. So can use the same detail item type and still annotate instance info like spacings and embendment without having lots of family types.
Starting to also trial filters that trigger off set words like existing and beyond, to override visuals. Dash and half tone detail items.
How were you able to get a single tag to reference both parameters? Did you need two separate labels in the tag family?
Edit: Just realized you can load multiple parameters into a single label. Using Type Comments and Comments, working well so far
@jcn93 yes, placing multiple labels, some labels with the 2 parameters combined like typecomments & comments, and set them up with visibility parameters and then create types to reflect the visibitly parameters.
Multi category tags seem to work really well with the type /instance Comments type marks etc. Ive Even set one up for tagging window schedules so the notes can be adjusted from a master list. The ability to schedule parameters and control the notes from that is a big bonus. One thing I want to improve with them is how to audit notes between modelled items and detail items that should be described consistently. That is where I see it struggling over compared to keynotes.
@@benwaddington9272 valid point… I’ll look into ways of doing that on my end…
I was thinking its maybe about family name setup like if the model item and detail item have the same code they could possibly be sorted in a schedule that essentially becomes like a keynote file within revit @TheRevitKid
Good approach - personally im using metrial and category tags along with detail tags wherever i need to embelish a sheet with 2d components. For the batting however, i had to create a line based component or a regular component that contains an array composed of a singular squigly line. You can then add background and top/bottom/end lines to contain it - all linked to visibility parameters so you can turn on/off anything you need . Same, or similar, approach ive used for smart lines - regular are equally dumb as batting hence the concept of smartenning them. Now we can tag pretty much everything. After all Revit is just a 3d data base so once you have a content in you should be able to extract any information via tags.
I’ve got a insulation family I built that allows tagging. Pretty sure BIM guru had a tutorial on how to make it. Works just as per the revit tool.
@@jessegould1 oh do share!! 😎
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Finaly someone that use the description materiasl as they should, im allway pro description materials and bring it to the documentations, i will like to show you my material finished plans views they have planty of tags for layers on walls jajaja its a nightmare for someones jajaja. On favor for this approach
the 2 view things, one over the other. Is a great tip. thanks
@@ivantenhave6131 haha no problem!!!
I have always done this since I learned Revit 5 years ago because I never learned to use Keynotes. I was taught to automate everything in Revit that's why I don't use keynotes.
Great video. I've played with material tags, but getting people on board with CORRECTLY editing materials makes it difficult. Getting them to a "standard" has been a battle to say the least.
@@48VAC cheers!
Yea, it's tough
Never understood while people just default to using text, or even keynotes if they're feeling brave. It always ends in them running around in circles and producing inconsistent documentaion. Revit was designed to associate data from the very beginning and it's not difficult to review either.
Good video Jeff.
It's the "PM needs it in 5 mins so I'll do it real quick regardless if it changes later" mentality. I've seen it for 25 yrs
@HippieP629 me too as well as the headaches it causes during construction
Interesting risk mitigation strategy and clarity for notation. The only thing I'm not a fan of is the leader shoulder location on multi line text and text extent. The largest challenge I see is if you are working with others and making sure they are trained behind you in larger firms like mine.
I agree... but also, training people to do this is easier than training them to use keynotes... IMHO
@@TheRevitKid touche
Do you find the material tags lose there hosting when printing sheets? As still finding that is an issue in 2024, when tagging the likes of wall linings and finishes in plan.
Yet keynotes dont.
I have not had that happen at all... ?? hmmmm.....
Also thanks for this! I can't do keynotes as for me personally they don't work from a QA/QC perspective.
Nice, yeah I have been using Arial Narrow as well
Do you have a keyboard shortcut to quickly get to the 'Description' cell? I've added -T to open 'Type Properties' but then no quick KB shortcut to open 'Identity Data' and then to open 'Description'. 'Description' does not show up in KB options. Any suggestions?
@@garybeck7233 no… but remember you can just type in the tag!
Hello, great video. I was wondering how do you get PyRevit working on Revit 2025. I thought there was not going to be available for this version.
can you schedule a family and the materials that make up the family? I want to schedule a "wall Assembly" for example, and instead of listing manually just take the list from the wall materials
Are there any issues with tags that use instance parameters wanting to break model or detail groups when changing the instance parameter of an asset in the group?
As long as they are shared or project parameters it will work
Currently still needs to be a text based parameter, otherwise if you have more than 1 group instance it will break the group.
ILY BRO
I've been using MC and mat tags for more than a decade. For the MC is created shared parameters to keep the standard "comments" for other purposes. They have worked tremendously well thru the years. This is, until I joind a new company. They like arc leaders and they won't budge. And thats the end. They prefer to type everything with text so they can have the arc leaders. If anyone knows how to have arc leaders on MC and material tags please let me know :)
Its text wrapping that has stopped me from going all in, also i prefer curved leaders, but happy for this discussion its obviously preferred to be automated as much as possible
how do you get pyrevit to work with revit 2025?
@@chest089 installed it …? 😜 there is a version available for 2025