Control Malfunctions & Flight Instrument Anomalies, by Captain Warren VanderBurgh.
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An American Airlines Advanced Aircraft Maneuvering Program (AAMP) training video about Control Malfunctions & Flight Instrument Anomalies by Captain Warren VanderBurgh.
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A 20 year old video that's eerily prophetic to the 737 MAX ... 28:00 "today in a highly modern automated airliner, unscheduled stab trim is essentially unseen and unheard... but it's happening."
Or maybe the MAX just isn't the first aircraft in which stab trim related incidents have occured. Just maybe.
Speaking of the 737MAX, it's clear that the pilots didn't fly the plane first...
Except that the max still has the old mechanical trim wheels just like the 727 that he was talking about. Details matter, people, details matter.
@@tiadaid exactly, all this "fly the plane first" stuff is pretty unique to the USA. Even now decades after industry efforts started in more formal emergency training, non US based airlines lean very heavy on automation to save on training costs, company rules are autopilot all the time and manual flight to stay in practice is strongly discouraged.
For reference to the 737 trim wheel sound @@mytech6779 mentions: th-cam.com/video/xixM_cwSLcQ/w-d-xo.html
I’m not even a pilot and I throughly enjoyed this.
dopamine hit
I’m not a pilot, either, and I agree.
Luv 18:31 the pull 90deg push 0deg
Videos like this make me want to set up my desktop, buy F/S (again) and find my yoke and rudder pedals
VanderBurgh has a superb storytelling style, which keeps the presentation fun and helps the information stick with you. This video is dated now, but still very valuable, and I sincerely hope that /this/ sort of training has remained at this calibre for today's line pilots.
Died at 74. Still seems to soon for so great a man to go.
I'm not a pilot, but a sim pilot.. he reminds me of someone you'd only find in his generation and I hope that somehow what you wish is true.. that training at least at the airline level is this quality.
his passing was surely a great loss to the world of aviation. why he is not more famous i will never understand. one of the greats of aviation in modern times.
The bit about unscheduled stab trim has "737 MAX" written all over it. Boeing thought MCAS issues wouldn't pose a big problem because good pilots should already know how to deal with an unscheduled stab trim event. Well, the good ones may have, but through some bad maintenance the carriers kept spinning the roulette wheel until the airplane found someone that didn't have enough mustard on his hot dog.
These lectures are so good.
I wish I could have learned from Warren. He seems like he had a natural teaching ability that only comes from love for the craft. You can tell he loved to fly and made it his lifestyle passion of pursuit. Remarkable.
Warren was informative and entertaining. I attended these lectures as a 35 year AA pilot. His lesson if using full rudder was the accepted practice at the time of this lecture. We later learned that full rudder at excessive speed will snap the tail off. That is why the 777 and 787 automatically limits the available rudder input as speed increases.
Concerning the updated rudder technique, check out the Aircraft Design & Operation leaflet of use on the rudder of Boeing aircraft in the description.
That’s not correct. Nearly all transport aircraft have rudder limiters - indeed for decades before this lecture was given. Also, the critical element of the AA A300 accident was full and rapidly alternating rudder inputs. Full rudder input alone will not cause structural failure.
The intensely attentive audience is a tribute to Capt.Vandeburgh's lucid and inspiring, even comical presentations.A true Master Aviator at work in producing these Aviation masterpiece life saving presentations.Cow boy airline operators...are you watching??
Mhammed Ba Abbad sadly the good Captain passed away recently. What a great teacher, thanks for your knowledge, Van.
What a sad loss...a minute of silence in reflection is worthy.What a great teacher.Whst a great Aviator.May Captain Vandeburgh's soul rest in peace........................
The main reason they are attentive is that their lives depend on it. The audience are pilots for United Airlines.
@@TheSimCaptain I am not an empl9yee of United Airlines (where I in fact trained 2 months ago on s 757/67) but he definitely captured my attention. I suppose you weren't't impressed then? What else might you add? I recall reading that the late honourabe Captain flew for American Airines!
@@MBa-gd6nm I totally agree that he was a fantastic teacher, and I love and have watched all his videos. But the pilots have even more reason to listen closely to him than we have. Check out "Children of the Magenta" My favourite one of his lectures.
Just awesome! Loved it when he said 'Free drinks in first class!' :)
At that point I am surprised anyone ran up front, considering the acrobatics the plane went through.
Either way, he was an excellent pilot.
+Generic Genericson I think he was speaking figuratively... The capt probably instructed the cabin crew to move the pax forwards.
@@blueb0g Exactly what happened. The Lockheed L1011 carried up to 293 passengers, although only 41 were on board that night. Plus eight stewardesses.
(Jane Hooper, the flight-attendant coordinator) "She was told there was a control problem, and she was asked to move all the passengers forward in the cabin to help get the nose down. "It probably didn't help much, but in that situation we figured every little bit would help," Heidt says. (Steve Heidt, the flight engineer. When aircraft had three crew)
XD XD
I hope every commercial pilot studies well on these lectures. Fascinating realities of the profession.
Never heard of Captain Van. I had a great CFI in the 90s who retired AA in the DC-10 so I bet he knew him. Now that I discovered one of these videos I can't get anything done.
That test pilot must have gotten some HUGE balls once he ran out of yoke and kept full rudder deflection.
Helps knowing you can release the rudder, still what a job
sim exists
"We have blockers and doofers and dingfangdoos, right in here!"
What color are the doofers?
Yup! Same answer you get from Boeing regarding no flap extension on the 777.
They claim you will never have no flaps on the 777, but all it takes is the real world to come up with the scenario.
But until then, there are no speeds for a no flap landing in the 777 manual.
I love this guy's teaching style! (RIP)
It's really a testament to his intimate and deep understanding of both the concepts themselves as well as *how* to teach; that he is able to all these years later make a guy like me with none of the previous training his audience has had at least partially grasp what he's saying. I've had some basic aerodynamics lectures before I switched out of the aerospace engineering program I was in (so obviously I'm also an aerospace nerd still, which I'll admit skews things in his favor as an instructor lol), and I've only had a couple to a handful of hours of lessons in a glider/sailplane, but he has still managed to make the principles at work here feel so intuitive. His sense of humor also reminds me of the ex test pilot I was lucky enough to have as my "intro to aero" professor, who is a similarly brilliant teacher and aviator (as well as comedian 😆). In the midst of the high stress time that made me and many others start to abandon the major, his class was the one we most looked forward to, had the least bullshit just to make it hard for the sake of it, and it was the one we likely got the most out of despite his exams always being a bit of a softball. Instructors like these types of people really care about your understanding, and about building safety and your thinking skills regardless of where you go afterwards or whether they're supposed to just check boxes or try to weed you out, and it restores my faith in humanity that I know for a fact that they still exist today!
this guy's sense of humor works so good for me and my attention isn't the best until I've heard his videos ! best I've ever experienced !!!
I cant imagine what it must have been like to learn from a man like Capt. Vanderburg. What an amazing pilot and trainer!! RIP Capt V. Blue Skies.
Rip hajur
A lot of instructors look down on flight simulators on PC for creating bad habits, but I recall very clearly learning about rolling off to either side to escape death climbs in case of having elevators or cables shot out in the simulators.
I think there are a lot of things that can be learned about unusual attitude recoveries and control surface failures by spending more time in simulators and figuring out what works and what doesn't for yourself
No. Im sorry to say that PC simulators are not good at unusual attitude recovery because there is no force feedback like the real thing. Good for flying from A to B and NAVing and lots of cool scenery to have fun with but I would never teach someone anything beyond that.
@@skywarrior28 nonsense. there is no way for line pilots to practice these maneuvers in a safe way in real aircraft. the ONLY alternative is using simulators to get back these basic emergency recovery techniques. this is stuff ww2 pilots knew about because they had to do it in the real world. that kind of experience is no longer common. your opinion on simulators is outdated - we're not talking about microsoft flight simulator 98 here.
more familiarity with how aircraft can be brought under control using basic stick and rudder techniques can and will reduce accidents. the MAX crashes demonstrate a real lack of stick and rudder flying ability - both could probably have been saved from crashing by using techniques practiced (in a simulator) in this video.
@@itsumonihon What?? I don't think your response matches what I said. I said "PC simulator." You will not learn anything relate to this video in any PC Flight simulator accurately. You will however do this in a Level-D Simulator and it will be far more beneficial than Microsoft or Xplane or anything like that. Are you trying to say that a PC Sim will prepare you?
@Sunamer Z Having been in sim levels from a mouse and keyboard through a real airplane, I can say a fair amount of training can happen in a PC sim with a reasonable physics engine and control set(rudders, yoke or stick). Especially procedures for dealing with strange malfunctions. Some follow up polish in a level D or real plane is recommended of course, but the foundation skill can be formed just fine in a low level sim. And sim sessions can pack a lot more actual training than real flight because you don't have all of the dispatching and preflight time, also it is seconds to reset for another attempt rather than minutes to fly back around. There are about 10 categories of "ground based training devices" in the FAAs system, Some are below a PC sim and many mid level sims(with a full cockpit) with approval for formal logging of required flight training hours still do not have force feedback controls.
A lot of instructors don't like sims because of the way they (as instructors) log flight hours and the instructors need to do the extra work of emulating ATC and setting up scenarios on top of the base instruction. The logging of hours is an issue because many are attempting to build a resume for a later airline job. I've noticed instructors that are well beyond the need to build hours are more pro-simulator.
14:08 A perfect recovery for USAir 427, if only the pilots would have had the training.
22:55 Nice... Button off: Plane flies. Button on: Plane crashes. Makes sense.
"Free drink in first class" hahahah ,, lmao. Very informative and superb style of expression by our instructor . Absolutely great.
As a desk chair pilot myself I can go to sleep in peace after watching this video.
This guy is awesome...experienced. I need to see more of his lectures.
I lost it at 26:35 - 26:40 LOL
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VanderBurgh was openly critical of Boeing not including vital AOA indicators on planes. I wonder what he would say about Boeing making the cockpit indicators optional on the MAX, despite pulling data from AOA sensors for flight control. MCAS made AOA indicators more necessary, not less.
Amazing video. I've watched it all the way through a few times......and I will never get the chance to fly a plane. I will be lucky to ever get to be in a plane again, just due to funds and life situations that make traveling not a reality. Still, I thoroughly enjoy this series!
As a non pilot, this guy makes me feel like I can hop in a simulator and execute these extremely complex recoveries. Lol. Super engaging.
Interesting how the Delta 1080 pilot made several nose high recoveries, as none of the animations or Flight Channel episodes mention this.
I lost my attitude indicator on IMC takeoff. Went over slowly. Could have followed. Lucky that I had a good flyt instructor. Trust your instruments, but cross check. If something is moving, something else need to move the correct direction.
Excellent presentation.
Great presentation
Step 0 in every strange scenario seems to be REDUCE COMPLEXITY.
Autopilot off and auto throttle off; now the plane is predictable so fly the plane; after you got it (in what is essentially a new custom procedure to keep yourself airborne), go through procedures and get clever.
_click-click_ , _click-click_
This is GOLD!
This was excellent!
I remember the Hidden Danger ACI episode. Who would've thought to push the yoke forward when you're in a dive, seems counterintuitive.
Great teacher beside being a great aviator.
Great content - Thank you for sharing
How quickly would have the UA585 pilots had to realize what they were in, in order to save the flight? The test pilot traded more than 1000 feet to gain enough speed to overpower the rudder, but UA585 was at 1000 feet when the upset happened.
Yeah, they had virtually know time to react.
No time.
Friggin auto correct.
Timeless lecture. With a fbw aircraft in a nose down inverted scenario In uprt, the rudder still does work an an elevator. UPRT Courses should focus on it, and in a rudder sensitive aircraft like the A320 when the upset happens at 35000, it still works, but I found in the sims it needs a bit more time (in a fbw vs conventional) as you cannot be aggressive with the rudders in them. Even below Va
Fascinating
Espectacular
I love this guy. ❤️
Luv 18:31 the pull 90deg push 0deg
This is basically my favorite horror movie.
29:00 “a very insidious event. Today in a highly automated airliner [unscheduled stabilizer trim is happening because it’s not as obvious when the automatics are manipulating the controls]”. Pretty creepy to hear this almost 23 year old presentation foreshadowing how true airmanship doesn’t just mean being able to hand-fly and manually recover from upsets - - - but to also know and recall from memory enough about the automatics in an upset to do the correct thing, even if it goes against instinct.
that, is my main gripe with anything automatic. Every single one automatic thing. I only know about cars, right? Only thing i know for sure is that all of them need some kind of wings and that most of them need some kind of power (gliders exist, i kinda like them). But cars? Recall: windshield wipers, lights, transmission, turn signals, cruise control, all automatic. Fuck that with a rusty spoon. The moment you _allow_ something, anything, to be done "automatically", in other words, without your input, you give up control. Doesn't matter if it is by a mechanical device, an electronic device, or another person. Automation is not a "feature". It is not a solution to a problem. It is "hiding a problem under the mat". Like the meme says...
Tech enthusiast: I have a "smart home", i can control it all from my smartphone!
Electrical engineer: The most advanced device i own is a printer from 2000 and i keep a loaded shotgun next to it in case it makes a noise i do not recognize.
@@GeorgeTsiros having grown up and learned how to drive in the 90’s when cars were just beginning to have things like abs brakes and traction control I am thankful that I first learned to drive in a stick shift Ford escort with drum brakes and no power steering.
I say it’s important to learn how your automatics behave because there is a distinct difference on how to handle a car with a low speed traction control system and anti-lock brakes in the event of a hydroplaning skid… And one equipped with an all speed stability control system.
Having been in an incident with the former, thinking it would behave as the latter has taught me to always learn as much as I can about what I’m driving and how the automatics work.
I feel as if driving schools should be a little more rigorous than they are, making closed course upset recoveries mandatory… I was able to do my own closed course upset recovery practice with my escort on my family’s land. A lot of people don’t have access to that type of freedom these days, and therefore end up being pretty horrible drivers as a result.
In another video another instructor was lamenting on how the spin upset recovery procedure was no longer part of flight training. Then there was a mentor pilot video where he said the captain had never dealt with a compressor stall on takeoff, even in training.
When you try to program a human element out of the equation you really set things up to fail catastrophically, and I agree with your comment wholeheartedly.
@@GeorgeTsiros also, having rented a car recently that had automatic highbeams, I literally had a moment of fighting against the car to disengage the highbeams that were clearly blinding somebody that the camera did not see. I had no idea the car had them, and was wondering why I never needed to turn the brights on. Don’t even get me started on Tesla‘s… I’ve driven them as well.
@@GeorgeTsiros either give me a car with a real throttle cable, a real steering linkage, and one that has no idea where it is or what it’s doing or is connected to the Internet… Or, give me the control to disable such functions should I choose to do so. Am I right? LOL
@@xm1193 ehhh... power steering and abs are not automation though. I understand you listed them as examples to show what time period you were talking about?
Great pilot and instructor...we miss you...I think today accident with indonesia aircraft sriwijaya SJ 182 hat something to do with rudder malfunction(uncommanded rudder deflection to left).Data from flight radar 24 aircraft suddenly @10900 feet turn left from heading 23 to 338 and drop to 5400 feet afterthat turn right from heading 338 to 11 and crash...all this occurs in 25 second so fast
This is suberb!
Yup
Can someone explain to me why they don't typically include AOA indicators in commercial aircraft? Military aircraft seem to include them quite commonly as they use those for landing technique.
I don't really know why an AoA indicator is needed.
Doesn't ADI give you the same info?
@@alhanes5803 No, the ADI doesn't show AOA. It doesn't even show flight vector without an included FPV indicator.
AOA is the angle that the wing chord meets the wind. It varies by airspeed when not maneuvering which is why military aircraft use it for landing, since a given AOA will match a given speed.
The fact that autopilots cannot fly without AOA illustrates their importance.
All those interdependencies make AIRBUS' control philosophy a lot more understandable!
Plz explain this to MSFS2020
American Airlines: RUDDER SOLVES it ALL!!!!
A300: I guess not! *Rudder Snaps off *
I would like to know the opinion of Captain vanderburgh about the accident of flight AA 587
There are those that attribute the AA 587 crash to the pilots following this guy's advise. Stomped on the rudder, and snapped the plastic vertical stabilizer lugs right off.
Having only this 5 videos to review, Capt Vanderburgh always uses the term “smooth or gentle inputs to the rudder” for what I see, this AAMP used to be composed of ground training and simulator training, what the NTSB report mentions on the 587 flight is that the aggressive inputs where caused by the simulator training received, due to the way the sim was programmed to simulate a wake turbulence inhibiting the ailerons and rudder for several seconds and forcing to initiate recovery from almost 90 degree bank angle, and later found that it was totally unrealistic.
But as always happens with this things... instead of fixing things and improving, learning from mistakes, lawyers are there to stop everything... I bet there are far better instructors out there but they re consider sharing their knowledge after the possibility of a lawsuit... I appreciate and value the effort of Capt Vanderburgh of making this industry safer.
As a pilot I find this videos really valuable, nothing seen here is above the manufacturer manuals, but having this is better than having nothing.
I missed the bit where Van recommended “stomping aggressively on the rudder pedal”?
Disempower rudder. Lower angle of attack
Here is the report by the Delta captain - www.tristar500.net/library/flight1080.pdf.
run away trim. 7 years ago
Unscheduled Stabilizer Trim? More haul losses and deaths now with the MAX accidents...
@@doyoulikedags3534 you lack intelligence
26:36
38:15 aargh, no, I want to hear the rest of the anecdote
My flight sim skills are going to be SWEET
How effective is an Airbus sidestick is in these types of failure recoveries? Not trying to start a debate, just wondering how that type of fly by wire control system works in these situations?
my right ear enjoyed this
a couple of minutes for left one also
And here 33:00 we just learned why MAX was known as a death trap already 100 years ago...
But the aircraft in question in this video was an Airbus A300. In fact, Airbus had a few accidents in the early 1990s that was caused by the issues with their automated systems.
But because there were no social media, there were no hysterics unlike in the MAX disaster.
@@tiadaid You have absolutely not understood the video in detail. Instead you come up with inappropriate patriotism bullshit.
True. Fortunately it’s a safe bird now.
Runaway stab...
RIP USA427 :-/
No sound?? too bad...
right ear.
My right ear is lonely.
You put your headphones backwards😂😂😂
since i have tiny speakers, i move the one that sound comes out of, near the center of the monitor
When he talked about the stab trim etc...I mean the 787 crash springs to minds.
You mean 737 MAX?
27:57 737-Max
@ 29 min he essentially predicted the 737 Max crashes
Horrible resolution
TH-cam chops the video resolution as it gets older. they are saving storage space on their server.
F Huber LOL! 🤣
Everybody knows Colorado Springs was caused by adultery...
None of this is relevant today, great vid though that informed control systems design
None of this is relevant? Why? Just curious