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I usually use the cross as more of a way to help keep track of the head angle
I do the same thing. It’s to help me figure out my angling and where things roughly should be in terms of perspective
Same, its kinda like drawing the contours of a sphere so you know its not a circle.
@@thelingeringartistagreed
Same, and reminds me where I want them to look.
Me too. I usually use it to see where the character is facing
i usually do the basic cross but it doesn't really work for me... this is actually really helpful though, thank you!
As a traditional artist, I don't like using the cross in styles like anime, because I have to erase it. Which is why I start with the eyes, but that probably isn't very professional 😂
I have a semi realistic/anime(?) Artstyle so that really helps. I use the horizontal line (cut the circle in half) to know where the top of the ears + brows are. It's helped me a lot to make the face more realistic at the cost of having to make the eyes a bit smaller
Itl help with the angling thou for me
Gosh, tell me about it
I only use the cross to know where my characters are facing doesn’t really help me decide where the eyes are going or whatever but I have found it helps to know how the eyes will curve on the face at different perspectives
Yeah same. Mostly I just eyeball the features (literally), sometimes even drawing them in before the outline of the face.
Yeah for me it feels so hard to draw the head even just looking forward without the cross
Yeah I also eyeball the features 😂
FR SAME LOL
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Simple answer to why I use it: ✨perspective✨
The cross only really helps me with perspective and not placement of the facial features like if I’m drawing the head at an angle, I’m definitely gonna start using this method instead
THIS WAS SO HELPFUL I always wondered why the placed the cross there in the first place because in how to draw books it always looked so unnecessary because half the time it wasn’t even placed right and the proportions were so off it’s like the artists only put the cross their and didn’t actually understand what they were using it for
Having a curved vertical line can help you track where the cheek and the jaws bend which can give better form to your heads. This only works if you know what you’re doing, though.
the cross just helps me keep track of what direction the character is facing, what angle the head is at and sometimes facial expression.
I don't even use the cross anymore but I'm so used to drawing it 😞
Using the cross is easier for me since using more complex guidelines just makes me mess up more- I’m glad other people found this helpful though :)
I never considered varying up the construction lines to better suit how someone interprets the portions/placements of the features on the face before. I've always just stuck to the usual cross example (although I do occasionally add curvature to the lines for different facial angles). This makes a lot of sense.
Lavender is actually one of the best art tips people she’s helped my art so much
Your tutorials are always helpful, you're a very good teacher
THATS how I do it too! It’s honestly SO HELPFUL. If I didn’t find out the trick were you put eyes in the middle of face and nose in middle of eyes to chin etc, I WOULD BE LOSTT
What's how I was taught how to draw faces back when I did portraiture on art class. I've never had such a small tip help me so much for my art.
@@MAOSAKA_ honestly facts bro :)
Personally, learning the planes of the face is the thing that helped me the most, especially when you need to draw a foreshortened head. Treating the head like the torso or another anatomy part was way more helpful than treating it like one big flat plane.
By the way. I just finished both Unfamiliar books & loved them! It was my 1st ever comic & now I'm really enjoying indie comics. I bought both a hard copy & a Kindle version of your book as I want to keep my paperbacks in pristine condition. I would have never even known about or imagined that comics encompass more than straight White male superheroes if it weren't for you & I'll always be grateful for that. Funny how supporting artists makes ones own word brighter.
Ooh this is helpful. I’ve been going off the Loomis method for general placement, but I’ve been struggling with drawing chins. This is a nice way to break the planes of the face down. 😮
In my opinion, too many lines are too messy. Maybe because I have Extropia, which make looking at messy things like novels is already hard enough. And now I’m telling myself to look at lines… when they become too much, adding on with my chicken lineart and all that… they just started making x2 of themselves… so 2 lines is enough for me
I do draw the cross but not to help me measure anything it just makes imagining the face and angles alot easier
The more detailed version is how I was taught to draw back in school, it has always really helped ❤
I definitely find the Loomis Method helpful. Thanks for clarification on the eye placement. I always heard that they belong in the center but I was never clear if that meant above, below or directly on the line.
Definitely gonna have to give this a try!
This is actually really helpful…..
The cross is amazing for me since I do a ton of weird perspectives, and I don’t tend to use a lot of guidelines
I also use 3 line guidelines and that is by far the best thing I discovered, and lips and chin are more proportional and help with character design
To add onto this as an artist myself, another thing I've learned, especially for drawing faces from other perspectives (like for comics, for example) is to draw the face guidelines as a triangle. The basic cross technique is still used to cut down the middle and the horizontal line is in the middle of the eyes, like in the video, but the outer corners of the eyes are marked (I draw the eyes first) and you draw lines that come down to a point where the mouth would be. Then you draw a line through the centre and then a shape where that line and the vertical centre line meet for the nose (I do circles, but it depends on the nose type).
And you can imagine that triangle as bending across the head to turn it in basically any direction :)
The strategy you use, I use too!
for me just use it as a guide as to which way they're facing, i also like to cut off where the hairline starts on the forehead and cheeks so the face looks like a mask, it help for more trickier perspectives
Tbh I use that guide line, not for symmetry but for helping to draw which angle the characters at and which angle it’s looking
this is really helpful! I actually do use that cross (I find it much easier than going with multiple lines actually, but that's personal) but I do use the horizontal line of the cross for the middle of the eyes and it (that cross) does help with perspective - even when I do side view or 3/4, I find it helpful for making sure I don't have the nose for example in the middle of the face (in angel perspectives), or too far off from the centre of the face
i do it the way you do! ever since switching to that versus the simple cross ive found that my proportions look a LOT more real
you have just permanently changed the way i draw. thank you
I still use the cross and ill continue to use it. Personally it helps more with drawing where the face is positioned. Idk if it's something that benefits beginner artists but it works for me.
Actually good explanation!!!
I draw the cross along the centre of head sphere. The sphere represents the cranium, and the eyebrow line usually lies around that line. Useful, for sure!
Oh my goodness you are amazing for this thank you!
Seeing that Christopher Hart art style has dragged me kicking and screaming back to parts of my childhood art journey that I had prayed to be lost from my memory forever
It helps u line up the eyes
Thankyou! I find your videos very useful! (;
genuinely helpful thanks
Random tip: the center of the circle bit of the head is usually where the eyebrow is ^^
Helps with perspective too. Like, if a character is looking down then the center of the face will be placed differently.
i use the cross bc it makes the sketch look good
The cross is a similar thjng to parting the face. Using the horizontal line, you can part the face into two, and that's where the eyes are usually. And with the vertical intersecting line, you can part the face which helps in showing us the center , kind of- and with these two linesm drawing a hear from different angles becomes easier. The technique is similar to yours, excluding the last two steps, for the placement of the nose and mouth. It is quie helpful too. But it depends on preferences, ofcourse.
Thank you
The basic cross is always helpful, tho I use a varian of the basic cross, a cross with two horizontal lines instead of one, the top line indicates the top of the eyes and the bottom one the bottom part (duh). The eyes are the feature that wanders the most in my drawings if i have no guide so that's why i use the cross, it helps me with the mouth and nose a bit too but i use it mostly to center the eyes
Thank you Lavender towne!
So much more helpful I will definitely try it!
it helps draw fascial features
The cross helps me understand where is the character looking
the cross is helpful for me in the same way that starting a drawing on lined paper is less scary than one on a blank page. it helps me estimate things better and also align things, even if I don't want them perfectly placed.
It looks cool
I use other kinds of guidelines, but are very similar to the ones in this video! I make two horizontal lines to define where the eyes will be, it's like the limits of the eyes, but it also helps me to draw the eyebrows.
For the nose, I do the same guideline you did, which shows where it ends, and for the mouth, I kind of imitate the bone structure of the face, using the "maxilla" as a reference to where the lips should be.
I use the upper eye guideline and the nose guideline as a reference to where I should draw the ears.
Basically, there are many ways to draw guidelines, and the ones you use are up to you, some might work better than others depending on your style! It's the magic of artstylie diversity ✨
it’s honestly all just preference. i use the cross because i have a pretty good idea of where the facial features should go anyways, even without the help. i believe that how you do art doesn’t matter, just that you enjoy it.
I use the basic cross because it makes the starting circle seem less empty and terrifying
its also easy to wrap around the head to get the dimensions right since its like a circle and those are pretty easy!
I used the cross and it turned out kinda cool :D
I typically just use it for perspective angling, nothing else. as it helps determine where the little lines would meet for the chin if the generic placement would be a certain angle.
i used to do the basic one when i was a lot younger because i thought it made me look professional 😭 i do use it now though, and it helps when im actually TRYING to use it right lol
The cross for me is for perspective
i don’t really use it for placements, but it helps me visualize how the face is tilted
Thanks for your help! ❤
This is because these are ACTUAL face proportions. That's why it works so well. The face shape and feature size it what defines the artstyle most of time c:
I use both tbh, the cross to keep track of the angle and the other one to put the features in
I've done this for a long time and it really helps ❤
I never realized the lines were divided in mid sections like 💀 I saw them each as separate sections that were in approximate sizes.. this helps and explains a lot
TY SO MUCH FOR THIS!!
I mainly just use it as a general reference for the direction the character is looking more so than placing features
I use the cross to help with symmetry!
It helps with anatomy
I use this!! It works.
I have never really seemed to use these cross technique since my art style is more relaxed and facial features float more, but if you are an artist I can definitely anyone using this technique.
Well the nose is turned for stylisation but that point of yours is very valid
It does make sense. I do it when I make art.
I just like the messy look when its on traditional art.
i usually draw just the vertical line lmao. i find it way more important than the other one
Yesss! I've used this technique for years, but i, too, always found the plain cross never worked for me.
I use the line as a mid point to! Once you learn how to use the guide lines it helps so much
they help you to remember what direction the face is looking and how to keep facial features proportionate. Next
I use the cross just because I think it looks cool
I’ma be honest I just do this so I know where the character is looking and then use the middle one to determine the face axis
Real tho
I don't draw much anymore, but when I did I mostly used it as a starting point
This is how I learned it from my dad aswell! Though I think no matter the guideline it helps one way or another
Studying the human skull helps too. Before I had no idea why I was using the cross but now that I've studied the skull i know why
I use the cross to keep track of the head and, it doesn't help decide where eyes and mouth go, I use the ears to help with the placement of things! :3
I personally do the cross just to find out the head angle and where I want the person to look. The vertical helps with how low the face is going to be, while the horizontal helps with the eye’s level and angle.
Sam would love this
I do the basic cross but more so for the perspective of the head, which helps with the face! And I use the middle cross section for the eyes most of the time! It helps a lot for me even though I've been drawing all my life
Thanks!
I still prefer the cross because I'm lazy but yes, for accuracy and learning placement, this is the better thing to do.
Finally an art tip video that speaks the truth and explains why we do these things.
The eye line isn't cutting the circle in half, just if anyone is struggling, I know it's obvious but still. It's more of like the bottom third of the circle as shown.
I use it to help me think of the head as a 3D object, and it helps me with direction
I usually start with simple shapes on the face to map out the features
It actually helps me put the eyes in the right place and then I draw a rectangle for the nose
Thank you for the hacks❤
The technique you use is what's taught in schools. The simple cross is what experienced artists use after they've drawn faces for years and don't really need all the lines anymore. It's better to start with the full guidelines, not just the simple cross when you're learning.
You draw beautifully, you have a talent! Of course, I didn't understand a little what you were saying because of the washing machine that worked nearby, but keep up the good work! I believe in you!
for me i use it for head shapes for humans and even animals!
I do the simple cross, but I raise the line a lot higher. It makes sure I give them a forehead, and if I start with the brows, I can use context to tell me where the eyes are gonna go.