crazy how far punchlines have come in 5 years. I remember watching this years ago and being blow away by con's bars.. looking back on it.. It doesn't even compare with material people are coming with now a days. Sometimes I forgot battle rap's still so young.. can't even imagine the shit people will be saying 5 years from now
True, but it's unfortunate how a lot of dudes coming up lack the experience of rhyming over a beat, off the head, etc. all while battling spontaneous dudes they haven't been studying. That was an art in itself. These dudes are the last of the generation to come from that arena, as this was an example of the bridge that led to what is 'now', from the generations that battled over music.
Now, let's be real. Illmac is one of the best battlers out there, period. Much respect to him, he's a freakin' BEAST. But in all of his battles, I've NEVER seen him get bodied this bad. He came out hard and could've took it, but Con was just RELENTLESS with the wordplay and clever punchlines. The look on the judges' faces told the whole story.
If its a hot line its a hot line, nothing ill said is really quotable, personal, general or otherwise. . and ill had to nerve to call conceited basic. Illmacs explanatory lyrics came across very plain and simple. I still remember Conceited lines to this day "when the scope is on, it's like pokemon. i'll peek at you(pikachu) and blast toys (blastois.)" - Classic GT Bars
Nick Mashing how is it a gimmick? what daylyt does are gimmicks. Con is strictly barz. rebuttals are not required when you got barz like that, it would be a waste. Its like Everything Mac said sounds like a setup, with no real punch to it. its like hes just making statements that rhyme. Maybe that was cool in 09. Mac much better now, but here Mac got crushed here. and notice in Macs recent battles he stopped using that angle, hes not good at it. Con crafts his rhymes in quotable fashion to make them land. I didnt get that from mac. If you are looking for an "Expose Type" rapper that can still craft lines peep Swave Sevah. now he would kill con with that style.
Yeah, there is a difference between Gimmicks and Techniques, gimmicks are things like props, and slogans. techniques are Schemes, Slow it downs and punchlines, nameflips, the whole idea is to make words hit. think of it like moves in a fighting game, but with words. illmac didnt really have any special moves at this time, infact most grind-time rappers didn't. But he has them now.
+SorenK That's why people like S.O.N.S. and Daylyt should get WAY more praise for influencing the Grind Time rappers today! Like, even The Saurus himself went from his style (multies) to, all of a sudden, punchlines and gun bars. It's actually pathetic because they used to clown the style that was known as the "street style" at the time, but nevertheless, they would still get cooked by the URL battlers though (except Charron, Pat Stay, Dizaster, and Bigg K imo).
Concieted said..."The 44 got a big nose like Doug funny".....I already knew it had to be a hot rhyme...but didn't know who he was referencing...so I googled it....just saw an image of Doug Funny....and that made the rhyme even funnier...lmao..
That Pokemon line "When the scope is on, it's like pokemon. I'll peek at you (Pikachu) and blast toys (Blastoise) was one of the dopest lines in battle rap. Period.
Dam Con killed him!! When the clips lift and the heat is at you.."ITS MAD NOISE" when the scope is on Im like pok-e-mon...I'll PEEK-AT-CHOO and "BLAST TOYS"...Classic lines
haha Eat EM iss hilarious!! at 3:40 he goes "eat emmm!!!!" and con is like chill im about to start spittin. then immediately afterwards he barks! wtf?!
I only got that oregon line once I looked at the comments on here, that line was only recognised by Lush One but went way over my head just like a lot of the others. Sick line.
"When the scope is on. It's like Pokeman. I Pikachu (peek-at-you) and Blastoise (blast toys)". You can tell which of these hard gangstas played with Pokeman trading cards as kills by who laughed. The rest didn't get it. LOL
***** Much to chagrin, as well as your lack of grammar and common sense. the whole entire battle consisted of non-linear jokes and using the exact same word play to purvey to Illmac that he's either Gay, whack, or how he lacks skill when Illmac himself made Con aware of those flaws in his rhyme, while staying consistent with his flow and style. I'm not discrediting Con as an artist. he has talent, which is why he's there to display it. That doesn't mean he's better than Illmac at all. You wish to contest and insult on TH-cam like every normal Teenager does to support their favorite product then that's fine with me. However, it won't change the fact that Con is memorable for only 2-3 lines while Illmac had simply told him the truth: he's basic. But your "thats the funniest joke ive ever hear" line doesn't read like a joke; it reads that you're an adolescent individual that needs Hooked on Phonics. They do offer videos of that on YT for free, you know. :)
***** Best in the rap scene?? Period? Since when? I've never even heard of this guy and last I've checked the 109 plus Smack URL videos, he's not even in the same LEAGUE as Loaded Lux, Calicoe, or even T-Rex! I've never knocked Con out of his talent at all, but it's the VERY SAME usage of "clever lines" that I've heard plenty of times and used word play to make them sound pretty. T-Rex is a goofy idiot that does it better than him! Illmac has carefully picked him apart and called him out on the VERY same things that he's done OVER and OVER again! Illmac has established himself as an artist that pretty much did it all. It's not about "just" the clever lines, but how strong you are with it and how you utilize the tools you create either on the fly or what you've written. As a writer and an artist, I'm pretty experienced in this. Con has GREAT talent but that battle was over-hyped and drowned out Illmac's masterful talent over bias. Case in point: Illmac > Con. Period!
***** Okay, this is where I end this. Firstly, my work has been showcased via Sony and around the Gaming Community and Fashion. I don't view myself as anything less because I AM better. The hell with everyone else; if no one is for me, GOD is for me. I do this for myself. The fans are a bonus. Secondly, great for you on the level of professionalism. I don't feel the need to showcase any of my talents to prove a point on how you've actually put Con (IN YOUR OWN WORDS) on the level of Loaded Lux and Hollow Da Don when Grind Time is an underdog label to URL. Con is NO where near their league whatsoever. He would be revered as a sexual exploit if Loaded Lux face him. I've supplied facts over opinion and deep down I can care less who value what. If I were to state an opinion, I would give it. I'm about education and I'm DEFINITELY about being humble to take criticism. The problem is that when people equate an argument with "feelings" i.e. "my opinion", then it becomes a stagnant purpose to educate one's mind. No one desires a fresh perspective at all. So if I'm on a lonely island, then that's just fine for me. I have PR work to do. Good luck to you.
Every time I watch this battle you see and hear the shakiness and weakness in ill raps. He feels the pressure. I've heard better from him in recent years.
@KunalShark That's Lush One, he's been in Grind Time from the start. If you watch any other battles he hosts, he understands almost every reference/simile/metaphor battle rappers use that go over other people head's. He know's his battle rap, probably just pretty high lol.
"When them clips liftin' the heat u'll shoot, there's mad noise. When the scope is on it's like Pokemon; I'll peek at chu and blast toys". - Con. Yall can't seriously feel that ill beat this man, can you?
Illmac served him in that second round. Conceited really was stretching like 45 seconds worth of punchlines into 3 minutes, and NONE of it was off the dome from what I heard. Illmac had a couple of hard comebacks.
3:44 what the? "RUFF!" Hah that guy would be a crazy hypeman to be around. I'll get a big mac and fries he'd be like "LUNCH TIME!! EAT 'EM! EAT EM UP!"
@singingwhalesrock (It's a written battle league, everyones battles are written, Illmaculate wrote all his rounds too. He just threw a few freestyle rebuttals into them.)
That guy barking is clearly in love with conceited. "Dawg, how does my ass smell? I wanna be fresh going out tonight. Help me line up my v-neck. Thanks sweetheart"
Coneited's turning out to be one of my favorite battlers man.. His lyrics are ALWAYS fucking outta control. I haven't heard one battle where he isn't just fucking niggas up.
Agreed. I'll Peak at you and Blast toys Pikachu. Toys (guns). Owned a Mac was a dope line too. After watching it more than once. I don't even watch illmac's part anymore.
Pikatchu and Blastoise. Dirt dirt dirty.....I didnt catch the Oregon line...I thought Illmac was from florida and he said like the state you're from...Florida is shaped like a gun. Nice catch Chuck!
"I can hit you with a knife or a gun, like the state you from"
That flew over everyone's heads.
crazy how far punchlines have come in 5 years. I remember watching this years ago and being blow away by con's bars.. looking back on it.. It doesn't even compare with material people are coming with now a days. Sometimes I forgot battle rap's still so young.. can't even imagine the shit people will be saying 5 years from now
True, but it's unfortunate how a lot of dudes coming up lack the experience of rhyming over a beat, off the head, etc. all while battling spontaneous dudes they haven't been studying. That was an art in itself. These dudes are the last of the generation to come from that arena, as this was an example of the bridge that led to what is 'now', from the generations that battled over music.
Yeah, but it was people like Con and battles like this that revolutionized punchlines and are the reason why punchlines are where they are today.
how are they rapping now?
nah con's still the best punchlines
This comment didn’t age well lol
Now, let's be real. Illmac is one of the best battlers out there, period. Much respect to him, he's a freakin' BEAST.
But in all of his battles, I've NEVER seen him get bodied this bad. He came out hard and could've took it, but Con was just RELENTLESS with the wordplay and clever punchlines.
The look on the judges' faces told the whole story.
If its a hot line its a hot line, nothing ill said is really quotable, personal, general or otherwise. . and ill had to nerve to call conceited basic. Illmacs explanatory lyrics came across very plain and simple. I still remember Conceited lines to this day
"when the scope is on, it's like pokemon. i'll peek at you(pikachu) and blast toys (blastois.)" - Classic GT Bars
Nick Mashing
how is it a gimmick? what daylyt does are gimmicks. Con is strictly barz. rebuttals are not required when you got barz like that, it would be a waste.
Its like Everything Mac said sounds like a setup, with no real punch to it. its like hes just making statements that rhyme.
Maybe that was cool in 09.
Mac much better now, but here Mac got crushed here. and notice in Macs recent battles he stopped using that angle, hes not good at it.
Con crafts his rhymes in quotable fashion to make them land. I didnt get that from mac.
If you are looking for an "Expose Type" rapper that can still craft lines peep Swave Sevah.
now he would kill con with that style.
Nick Mashing Nick, you sound like the fanboy here.
Yeah, there is a difference between Gimmicks and Techniques, gimmicks are things like props, and slogans. techniques are Schemes, Slow it downs and punchlines, nameflips, the whole idea is to make words hit.
think of it like moves in a fighting game, but with words. illmac didnt really have any special moves at this time, infact most grind-time rappers didn't.
But he has them now.
+SorenK That's why people like S.O.N.S. and Daylyt should get WAY more praise for influencing the Grind Time rappers today! Like, even The Saurus himself went from his style (multies) to, all of a sudden, punchlines and gun bars. It's actually pathetic because they used to clown the style that was known as the "street style" at the time, but nevertheless, they would still get cooked by the URL battlers though (except Charron, Pat Stay, Dizaster, and Bigg K imo).
"I could hit chu with a knife or a gun (Oregon), like the state you from"!!! :O
Concieted said..."The 44 got a big nose like Doug funny".....I already knew it had to be a hot rhyme...but didn't know who he was referencing...so I googled it....just saw an image of Doug Funny....and that made the rhyme even funnier...lmao..
"ive always had a PC but now i can say I owned a Mac" that line was sick
Con caught a cold body.
ill wit the height jokes wen they almost the same height😂😂😂
😂
"when da scope is on is like pokemon i'll peek a chu n blast toys"
STRAIGHT CRACK!!!!!!!!
That Pokemon line "When the scope is on, it's like pokemon. I'll peek at you (Pikachu) and blast toys (Blastoise) was one of the dopest lines in battle rap. Period.
"Or a gun(Oregon), like the state you from."
sometimes things like that pass right over my head
Dam Con killed him!! When the clips lift and the heat is at you.."ITS MAD NOISE" when the scope is on Im like pok-e-mon...I'll PEEK-AT-CHOO and "BLAST TOYS"...Classic lines
haha Eat EM iss hilarious!! at 3:40 he goes "eat emmm!!!!" and con is like chill im about to start spittin. then immediately afterwards he barks! wtf?!
When the scope is on, it's like Pokemon, I'll peekatchu and blast toys. That is the dopest line I've ever heard.
I almost feel bad for Ill. This was the worst ass beating ever.
will anyone explain to me about the "the only reason you got love for new york is because you're a midget, Mac" line from Con... thank you!
Con ate Ill ALIVE point blank period. Haters need to deal with it
This is hands down the best battle in Grind Time history.
I'm saying
Does he ever eat em?
"EEEEDUMMM!"
Siah Its LUNCHTIME lol
BlackBeatbox Lol!
I love the way con makes everyone forget he's the same size as ill mac
con killed him
I only got that oregon line once I looked at the comments on here, that line was only recognised by Lush One but went way over my head just like a lot of the others. Sick line.
"ARF, I GOT YOU EAT HIM EAT HIM!"
MAN you have some gangster friends.
"When the scope is on. It's like Pokeman. I Pikachu (peek-at-you) and Blastoise (blast toys)".
You can tell which of these hard gangstas played with Pokeman trading cards as kills by who laughed. The rest didn't get it. LOL
Con!! All day
there was this old cartoon show called Doug. the character had a huuuge nose. metaphor for the gun barrel
Con is not better than Illmac. Period.
***** Much to chagrin, as well as your lack of grammar and common sense. the whole entire battle consisted of non-linear jokes and using the exact same word play to purvey to Illmac that he's either Gay, whack, or how he lacks skill when Illmac himself made Con aware of those flaws in his rhyme, while staying consistent with his flow and style.
I'm not discrediting Con as an artist. he has talent, which is why he's there to display it. That doesn't mean he's better than Illmac at all. You wish to contest and insult on TH-cam like every normal Teenager does to support their favorite product then that's fine with me. However, it won't change the fact that Con is memorable for only 2-3 lines while Illmac had simply told him the truth: he's basic.
But your "thats the funniest joke ive ever hear" line doesn't read like a joke; it reads that you're an adolescent individual that needs Hooked on Phonics. They do offer videos of that on YT for free, you know. :)
***** Best in the rap scene?? Period?
Since when? I've never even heard of this guy and last I've checked the 109 plus Smack URL videos, he's not even in the same LEAGUE as Loaded Lux, Calicoe, or even T-Rex!
I've never knocked Con out of his talent at all, but it's the VERY SAME usage of "clever lines" that I've heard plenty of times and used word play to make them sound pretty. T-Rex is a goofy idiot that does it better than him!
Illmac has carefully picked him apart and called him out on the VERY same things that he's done OVER and OVER again! Illmac has established himself as an artist that pretty much did it all. It's not about "just" the clever lines, but how strong you are with it and how you utilize the tools you create either on the fly or what you've written.
As a writer and an artist, I'm pretty experienced in this.
Con has GREAT talent but that battle was over-hyped and drowned out Illmac's masterful talent over bias. Case in point: Illmac > Con. Period!
***** Okay, this is where I end this.
Firstly, my work has been showcased via Sony and around the Gaming Community and Fashion. I don't view myself as anything less because I AM better. The hell with everyone else; if no one is for me, GOD is for me. I do this for myself. The fans are a bonus.
Secondly, great for you on the level of professionalism. I don't feel the need to showcase any of my talents to prove a point on how you've actually put Con (IN YOUR OWN WORDS) on the level of Loaded Lux and Hollow Da Don when Grind Time is an underdog label to URL. Con is NO where near their league whatsoever. He would be revered as a sexual exploit if Loaded Lux face him.
I've supplied facts over opinion and deep down I can care less who value what. If I were to state an opinion, I would give it. I'm about education and I'm DEFINITELY about being humble to take criticism. The problem is that when people equate an argument with "feelings" i.e. "my opinion", then it becomes a stagnant purpose to educate one's mind. No one desires a fresh perspective at all.
So if I'm on a lonely island, then that's just fine for me. I have PR work to do. Good luck to you.
A Touch of Heaven Project ha you had me at not better con is better
Tim Sanchez And you replied to a dead comment that's three years ago?
That's dumb. Not only fact, but the proof is above.
That look on Lush's face at 6:38 had me weak lol.
HAHAHA!!! "I'll peek at you and blast toys." He turned toys into gun bars
"you don't go for the cat you go for the SACK like a linebacker" lol
"My bad lil homie, didnt see u!!!"
When the scope's on it's like Pokemon, I'll peek atchu and BLASTOISE.
"when the scope is on, its like pokemon...i'll peak at you (pikachu) and blast toys..." damn that was nasty!!!
Every time I watch this battle you see and hear the shakiness and weakness in ill raps. He feels the pressure. I've heard better from him in recent years.
Just when I think Illmaculate bodies Concited, the opposite happens, and I'm a pokemon fan so that wordplay line was really impressive
Holy shit that pokemon line was straight murder.
Lol I love how the two white guys in purple and yellow look at each other after every good line.
i love the look mac gives conceited at 5:54 and on. i can imagine mac is thinking in his head "stop it man. i never did anything to you!"
You spit thirty second of lyrics, in five minutes! Nice!
When them clips liftin, the heat of shooting is mad noyz,
when the scope is on its like Pokemon
I´ll peek at you (Pikachu) and blast toys
Man, I thought there was gonna be some violence after that Ill Will line. Dudes was bugging like "whoa lil nigga, you crossing the line!"
I love Lush's reactions during Cons part lol
You can tell Ill is getting smashed by the expressions of Lush, Kap, and Mad Illz during Cons verse.
That "Ill Will like Nas' best friend" scheme was brutal as fuck!
i love the way illmac clever with the short jokes
"Like pokemon...ill peak atcho...and blast toys"that one bar ended everything illmaculate said......lets get real
Overlooked Nas punch line from Conceited, most people dont know that Nas had friends that were also nicknamed Pop and Stretch.
I keep coming back for the "scope is on, it's like pokemon" line. Conceited won 2-1.
You can really see lush starting to feel those shroom plex busted out in round 1.
Did Conceited Beat Arsenol in BOTB5?
The Illmatic and Illwill lines were monster
thats just ridiculous
illmaculates lines were so complex which made them way better.
Witch bar should I quote form Conceited its to many cold ones Goooooood!!!
mac got beat pretty good but that "little homie, didn't see you" line was nice
You fucken Snapped. Con 3 ILL 0 Final Score. ILL's Punchlines were so basic. Con was killen um with the double meanings , metaphors ect
Lush's facial expressions are priceless lol
A Pokemon reference...now that's gangster
Illmac's first 2 bars summed up con's entire battle...
@Tenzin345 it was blastoise (blast toys)
my fav conceited line in this battle was when he said ''make them sparks fly like love at first sight'' when i heard that i was like DAM
"....illwill like nas' best friend." daaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmnnnn. murdered ilmaculate
Damn that was a good ass battle. Its a tie. They both killed it. DAAMMNNN
@KunalShark That's Lush One, he's been in Grind Time from the start. If you watch any other battles he hosts, he understands almost every reference/simile/metaphor battle rappers use that go over other people head's. He know's his battle rap, probably just pretty high lol.
Nas also had friends with nicknames of Pop and Stretch
THAT POKEMAN LINE WAS,GOD DAMN LOL.
Conceited Fuxed him up with that Nas best friend line. That shit was classic!
"When them clips liftin' the heat u'll shoot, there's mad noise. When the scope is on it's like Pokemon; I'll peek at chu and blast toys". - Con.
Yall can't seriously feel that ill beat this man, can you?
ok i love how both of them are the same height...and they crackin short jokes lmfao!
Illmac served him in that second round. Conceited really was stretching like 45 seconds worth of punchlines into 3 minutes, and NONE of it was off the dome from what I heard. Illmac had a couple of hard comebacks.
@xAirJordan23x Lmfao, I haven't seen someone mention Iron Solomon in years.
@Tenzin345 why didnt you put the 2nd metaphor in brackets too? Blast toys (blastoise). It's another pokemon character.
a funny thing about that looney tunes-scheme, is that conceited talks like daffy duck.
3:44 what the? "RUFF!" Hah that guy would be a crazy hypeman to be around. I'll get a big mac and fries he'd be like "LUNCH TIME!! EAT 'EM! EAT EM UP!"
@singingwhalesrock (It's a written battle league, everyones battles are written, Illmaculate wrote all his rounds too. He just threw a few freestyle rebuttals into them.)
The blade will give him a Buck fifty like lunch money 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
that ill will line was cold
which rapper was ill talkin bout
wow conceited is really clever with his stuff.. that pokemon line was epic lol nothin wrong with a gangsta knowin a few pokemon :p
GRINDTIME WELCOME TO LIONS DENZ! lol its funny how the judges were trying their hardest not to laugh at their boy in his face
lmaooo, dude in the purple looked around like nas was there
That guy barking is clearly in love with conceited.
"Dawg, how does my ass smell? I wanna be fresh going out tonight. Help me line up my v-neck. Thanks sweetheart"
"hes gay the type that like hey spine fractured, he dosent go for the cat, he go for the sack like a line-backer"
3:41 "EAT HIM!!! *WOOF!* i got 'chu" hahaha
LOL Uno wants to give Con a nudge of respect during his verse, thats real
yo that pikachu line was dope if u understand the way he developed it man dat shit was hard
I have conceited tank "when the clips lift in' " line
Coneited's turning out to be one of my favorite battlers man.. His lyrics are ALWAYS fucking outta control. I haven't heard one battle where he isn't just fucking niggas up.
When the scope is on, its like pokemon...cuz ill Peek-at-you(Pikachu) and Blast Toys(Blastoise)
Watch the Host's reactions to Con's round...Hilarious
Agreed. I'll Peak at you and Blast toys
Pikachu. Toys (guns).
Owned a Mac was a dope line too.
After watching it more than once. I don't even watch illmac's part anymore.
@WildAnimalRap if u know the name den what dat make u?
that "knife or a gun like the state u from" line was sickkkkkk as fuckkkk lol too bad the crowd didnt get it!
@PapsFTW , finally someone that understood the punchline
when the scope is on, its like pokemon, i'll peek at you (pikachu), and blastoise.
haha. nice.
When the scope is on , it's like Pokemon...cut Illmac's head off with that
EAT HIM !!! Loool Con Last 8 Bars Was O M G
Pikatchu and Blastoise. Dirt dirt dirty.....I didnt catch the Oregon line...I thought Illmac was from florida and he said like the state you're from...Florida is shaped like a gun. Nice catch Chuck!
How high was Conceited's voice BEFORE puberty????? holy shit. Dude's voice is higher than my 12 year old brother's.
nice u should type out the entire battle next
haha, damn my mind got blown to another level. I didnt know about the Blastoise Character. Clever as fuck