Husk X Angel Dust Is Great but...
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Also i think Angel needs specifically safe platonic love since his coping with trauma involves overindulging and dulling his emotions with sex and drugs. So keeping these two platonic seems like the most healing and having the most potential for helping Angel change and find healthier ways to relate to others.
Im afraid that even Vizie doesnt understand that, she does have a tendency to write her characters in the way you see
Hey I forget but does Cherri still exist here or was she retconned?
@@thegamebusters5413 she exists, they made her appear on the short vidoes with angel, even a musi video
@WikterRor2807 but that was before the redesign wasn't it? So she could just be gone
@@thegamebusters5413 naw it was some trailer too, madeat about the same time that th etrailer featuring Lucifer came out, I just cant find either, saw bath in some shorts
Husk protecting angel from the vomit is wholesome and no one can tell me otherwise. Whether or not they go for friends or lovers with them in the series, I'm just glad Angel found someone that can understand him and be there for him.
Husk casually protects Angel from random vomit, then with equal grace saves some random soul from a smelly explosion. So with Angel, Husk's *_LUCK_* is back!
Exactly!! I thought it was wholesome too. Whether they end up as just friends or lovers, I’m glad that Angel has someone he can finally relate to
Yeah at least you can see that its something both can do
He also laid down on said vomit 💀
Friends or lovers. I would love them to be together either way. Their relationship is amazing.
If lovers, their relationship should be taken slowly. I don’t want to see them rush into having sex or make outs. It would be so out of character for Husk and for Angel as well at that point.
Anyone else laugh at the idea of Val hurting Charlie? Dude, she's the strongest person in the room and would likely tear Val apart. I feel people mistake Charlie's kindness for weakness, forgetting _who_ and _what_ she is.
But she is weak because of her kindness. As someone who is the same way I'm constantly told by the people who really know me don't understand why I continue to try with my abuser(parent) because I know they're the ones who taught me kindness so they must have it. It's different but Charlies love for angel stops her from tearing val a new one
I don't know how strong Charlie actually is. Especially since her dad seems designed and written to seem pretty weak. Maybe she has a lot more power than she lets on, but if she doesn't actually use it when needed, then it doesn't matter. She can't be a tyrant either, likely Lucifer knows that too.
Her kindness IS her weakness. Do you actually see her hurting someone? That’s not Charlie. At least not yet. Val literally licked Charlie to see if his pheromones would work on her. Thankfully she is immune and can’t be harmed in that manner
@@njmoonfrost6145True, but at the same time, whenever she's gotten pissed off enough to start changing form, she's cut off & has to focus on something else. We don't know what she would've done to Val if Angel didn't cut her off.
in hell, kindness is weakness ready to be exploited
Angel’s Poison was there to make you cry.
But Husk’s Loser, Baby is there to make you smile again.
Yeah is kinda black 🖤 and white 🤍
What if both made you cry
@@eggsandbacon892Loser, Baby made me happy cry
HUSK X ANGEL 😇 DUST OTHER COUPLE.
Hahah it was fun, it felt so weird to hear HIM sing
Honestly, I love how Husk breaks the stereotype of the sex obsessed pansexual character (yes Husk is confirmed to be pan). Like, while it's not usually malicious these characters tend to be depicted as being flirty with everyone that has a pulse in their immediate vicinity while throwing sex jokes and getting horny even in inappropriate situations.
Meanwhile Husk actually has standarts, he is capable of holding normal conversations, doesnt think with his pants 50% of the time and has actual boundaries.
It is confirmed?
I love it
Finally some rep
The most normal nigga on this show.
@@p3chv0gel22yes both husk and Blitzo frkm hellavu boss are pansexual tho husk seems to be more one the emotal and bonding side of pansexual , so does blitz but its masked with the sex driven part of it due to a misunderstanding
Why is every character in this show queer. I have no problem with it but at a certain point the "viziepop wants to make a gay drama but wants a viewership so it's framed with action" complaint about helluva boss becomes pretty valid.
It's actually pretty common for victims of sexual abuse to take the hypersexual defense response and saying that we never do just normalizes stigmatizing us as "imperfect victims" or people who deserved it since we "weren't innocent anyway." I don't mind that the show is doing that as an approach to Angel's character, it just needs some HEAVY development since the move most shows default to is low-brow comedy.
Also, I just remembered something from the BDSM scene: "there are certain things that you can understand or enjoy, but not ethically recommend"
True, I hope as well some development to Angel. And I think, with a lot of hope, seeing the change of character on Angel in the 6th episode (even if we saw little of it) And, even they have to not over use this tope of jokes, I also know a friend who was like that because of their trauma and changed when they could work on it and understand themselves better.
@@SadOmnisexualBoy i heard in a youtube comment(very reliable source i know), that val is based off one of vivs ex, take this with a grain of salt as i personally havent looked into it at all.
Came here to say this. Someone I know is very hyper sexual due to SA as a child, there’s no such thing as a “perfect victim” and it highkey gets me upset when people say that Angel isn’t “an accurate representation” because not everyone’s the same.
@@kivere8181 No truer words were spoken. Everyone reacts to any type of trauma differently. Everyone copes differently.
Yes.. I am a sexual abuse victim, I used to be very sexual with males, pushy at times, and hooked up a lot. So I love Angel Dust, I relate to him a LOT and I also want redemption, I hate myself, I hate what I do but It's feels validating for me to do it.
For a show whose marketing and fandom is so heavily focused on shipping, It's hilarious how these two have the best dynamic in the show so far, and it's not even a romantic one
EDIT: I'm aware it can be seen as romantic, more power to you, like what you like. Some just don't see their relationship like that.
It’s perfect ❤
It is romantic
lmao true that
It is going to be romantic based on what we’ve gathered from Viv’s view of the ship.
it is romantic tho, Husk was created for Angel dust, like literally created for the purpose of serving as his lover in the show, I believe vivziepop asked her little sister to draw someone for angel dust and that was husk so this isn't a platonic relationship, its hell dude don't expect too much, vivziepop was already speaking of a second season so there will be enough platonic relationships to last a good few months
I’m so glad that the fandom agrees that they’re both good as romantically AND platonically.
Basically:
“And how would you like your Husker and Angel Dust, sir?”
“(puts menu down) Surprise me.”
Woooord 🙌
Reall
@@cryptidkoi8418 Underrated comment
right:)
I think giving the most sexualized character a non-sexual ship would be a power move. I got trauma bonding vibes from Loser, Baby. Not love song feelings. I hope they continue down that path, because it would be great. I am worried Hazbin might have the same issue as Helluva Boss though, failing to keep meaningful character development represented in the following episodes.
Agreed! I'd be down for huskerdust but I feel like for a character this sexually charged, having a close platonic relationship would be much more impactful.
(jsyk trauma bonding refers to a stockholm-syndrome-esque bond formed between victim and abuser, not bonding with someone over shared trauma)
@@peeblekitty5780not the original commenter, but holy shit I just realised I’ve been using trauma bonding wrong my whole life lmao
@@SirStarCat. Same, I only found out relatively recently and I used it wrong like yesterday, it's an easy mistake to make haha
The hell are you talking about "failing to keep meaningful character development"? HB isn't doing that!!
Thinking every relationship has to be romantic is a sign of immaturity.
Personally for me, I don't mind how Husk X Angel Dust turns out. if they are dating, they're dating, if they're all friendly, they're friends; I'm just here for the ride lol
I hope they do a friends to lovers thing, best of both worlds
@@devilheartcandyexactly!! Like I hope they tease out the friendship more and develop their dynamic before putting them into a romantic relationship (if they choose to get them together at all) :)
I just think Husk will be a really good presence in Angel’s life, because he is a gentleman who respects him for who he is, and doesn’t make him feel pressured or trapped. Couple or friends, this is exactly what Angel needed right now, and whatever path the show takes I’ll enjoy those two regardless
Yeah, same :).
Totally agree with this I personally just love them together regardless of what form their relationship takes friends, dating, anything else I’ll take it I just wanna see more of them together and Angel definitely needs someone like Husk in his life
Without having to divulge much of my own past, it's actually fairly normal for someone who's gone through sexual trauma to be overtly sexual. Angel Dust's jokes do not seem, to me, like they are there to make you laugh. They are there to remind you of who he is and what he's still going through. And that's quite a realistic approach.
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This is what I thought as well. I can see why people are off-put by it--of course it's off-putting--but it's very normal hypersexual, sex-related trauma behavior. I viewed it as Angel coping by making his job into a bit. He's deflecting his trauma. It's a "if I don't laugh, I'll cry" situation. While some of the "jokes" are played up a tad much, I appreciated that this kind of behavior in response to trauma was represented.
The only problem is that this show is meant to be a comedy as much as it is a drama. It’s marketed as a comedy. It’s supposed to be funny. It would be alright to have them not meant to be jokes in a show that’s purely drama butttt, they’re meant to be jokes
@Impaholic Thank you for this!!! I was thinking about this!!
THIS 100%
To be honest - and this will sound kinda weird but - I actually think we can sorta have...both?
Like It's pretty clear that Huskerdust *will* be endgame, in my opinion. The ammount of ship art and comics that Viv has liked on her twitter, + the crew and cast talking about it constantly and having merch of the ship, *plus* Viv saying in an interview that it's an important relationship to her and It's a slow burn- yeah, pretty much guaranteed to be together at this point.
HOWEVER-- I actually think that Huskerdust being a slowburn really works for them. It allows us to get that slow build up that can shape them as a unit, without romance being thrown in right away. In that sense, they sorta...ARE gonna be platonic for a while, at least that's my guess. I think we might get to see them acting as friends for a while before we see them get together, since, let's face it- they need a LOT of work before they can get together and it can be healthy. Angel definitely needs to not be with Valentino by the time they do, and I hope the writing makes them getting together feel less like a rebound, and more like a natural conclusion for Angel. (Plus, they need to quit their whole current dynamic with Angel sexually harassing him constantly, which, tbh, I'm wondering if he's already gonna lower the intensity on that after this recent episode.)
Tbh my take on it is that I love the SHIT out of them as a ship, but I agree that they work platonically as well. I'm personally super down for a slow burn, as right now, they are by far my favorite ship in the entire show (Sorry Chaggie, but ur basically just a fluff burger rn lol) And I think they're gonna be pretty fire if the writers can play their cards right 🔥
this is exactly what i was thinking. as long as they do it right, they have a LOT of potential in both ways.
Personally I don't need it to be romantic but I absolutely need that any romance be along the lines you've suggested here, really long slow burn perhaps after a flame-out or two.
The basic issue is that Angel views sexual favours as the only valuable thing they can do for other people, it's literally how Angel survives and what Valentino reinforces all the time. Angel has to get a million miles away from that before any successful romancing with Husk happens and thankfully Husk seems to be fairly willing to keep Angel at arms length when Angel's on their bullshit. Keep it going Husk, supportive best friend until Angel's processed some of their shit.
Mann I totally agree, I personally love the idea of their relationship showing the getting together aspect of relationships. We have the established couple, wlw vaggie&charlie, the seeming physical attraction/innocent crush wlm relationship, and i'd love a proper getting together after being 'real' with one another kind of relationship in the mlm... being in a romantic relationship is not the bad thing so many people make it out to be with these kinds of shows
I LOVE SLOW BURN and i honestly agree w ur take sm put my thoughts into words better than i can express mysekf
Oh my gosh, those are really my exact thoughts about the matter, thank you so much for explaining it so well!
I think Angel Dust's Characterization is on point as it follows a specific avenue of behaviour that is expressed in victims of sexual/physical/emotional assault. As we saw in episode 4, this part of his personality is absolutely a control thing. When he makes advances on people, tells sex jokes, shows off his pornos, it's an easy way to exert power that he feels he lacks. It isn't bad writing, or exploiting one gag for cheap laughs. I truly believe Angel's character is a well thought out depiction of someone being overly inappropriate on a consistent basis due to trauma.
You can also see moments where Angel has his mask slip away when he listens to Valetino's voicemails or at the bar after his shoot. In episode 4, we see him have this mask off, and then Husk comments on his appearance before putting the mask back on. If Husk had slept with Angel, he wouldn't be as obsessed over prodding Husk since, in that instance, he would have established control, but Husk keeps pushing him away and even calls him fake. Constantly breaking down Angel's attempt at control and causing the snap we see. Then he goes to the shark dudes, modifying what happens to make him look in control. A coping mechanism that recontextualizes the prior episodes and behaviors.
I totally agree with this, and I wish more people said it. While I can understand both sides of the argument, that Angel’s behavior is inappropriate coming from a sexual abuse victim, vs his behavior being a trauma response and on point for his experience. Victims experience SA differently, and in Angel’s case I think he uses sex jokes to cope and make the topic of his his dangerous situation “funny” in order to not let his guard down. What you said about his need for control is spot on. Also, he is harassing Husk, I’ll give people that, but I don’t think he would ever act on anything he says or genuinely hurt anyone like he’s been hurt. NOT that that excuses Angel’s harassment, but just putting that out there.
i agree with this so much. I have a past that make me relate to angle dust a lot, and this was my behavior in the worst time of it. I don't find it funny, i find it spot on.
What'll be interesting to see going forward is how the show handles his behavior now that Husk has caught on to the reasons for his hypersexuality.
Habits don't just drop after one conversation, and Angel is probably going to make advances on Husk again; he's almost certainly going to continue being inappropriate toward the others, because they still haven't seen through him and accepted who he really is, so he'll continue trying to control how they perceive him. Husk has always been the one he's targeted most, though, and that's what their entire dynamic has been up to this point. But how might those interactions change, now that their understanding of each other has changed?
Maybe Husk no longer gives the reaction that Angel pushes for, leaving Angel without fuel to keep the act running. Maybe something Husk says makes Angel realize that this persona he built up to protect himself is causing him to act predatory, and he doesn't want to put people in a position he too often finds himself in. Maybe Angel catches himself mid-seduction before Husk even has to say anything and changes directions so abruptly that everyone witnessing the exchange gets whiplash. Maybe Husk makes an overture that Angel recognizes as a joke and can respond to as such, which confuses the others because that whole interaction would seem ooc for what they think they know of both characters. Whatever happens, it'd be interesting to see how the show changes the way it frames this behavior.
Finally someone says it. Hypersexuality is very often coping mechanism for SA victims and people need to understand that
I think, for once, we should normalize a close bond between two people without it becoming romantic.
Agreed. I'm a diehard shipper but there are some relationships that really should just stay platonic.
That's probably not gonna happen, considering the creator of the show ships them.
yes.
FOR REALL
I really wish we could. I just want these two to be friends
I love how you call him Anthony, it really humanizes him and his struggles. Also I just realized that Angel and Husk are basically the same age. Husk dies in his 70s in the 80's or something and Angel died (presumably) in his 20s in the 20's. Which means that, though they died at different ages, they were probably born within a decade of each other
angel is actually in his mid 30's
Yeah Angel died too young tbh. I can see why ppl ship them
Angel was born in 1910 and died at the age of 37 in 1947. Husk was born sometime between 1900-1910 and died in his 60s-70s in the 1970s. So there’s a 10 year age difference maximum, but possibly less.
@@rileymclellan8953There’s also the fact that they’re both so old the difference becomes negligible
HUSK AGE İS 75 BRO HUSK NOT PEDOPHİLLİ
Husk is DEFINITELY the type to be an absolute gentleman when it comes to intimacy whether it’s sexual or just platonic which Angel NEEDS and DESERVES. 😭
I literally just saw this EXACT comment on another Hazbin video are you just copy pasting??? 😭
@@discoshark7767 Bruh it's not like you're writing a different comment on every video you watch. The truth is that it is not necessary lol.
@@discoshark7767what video, so i can properly say my reply
@@avatale8612 Man is a simple comment.
THIS
3:46 Even though the presence of a bar might seem counter productive it actually serves a purpose. Reqruits of the hotel can share their problem to the bartender, in this case Husk. Telling your problems to someone can be therapeutic in a way, this is heavily implied in the 4th episode. I just feel like the bar is mandatory to this hotel. It's a place to talk, to socialise, to create relationships with others. Small steps, but good start towards redemption. This is my interpretation.
yeah While a therapy is definetly a better idea.... its scary, because to go to therapy is to admit you have a problem, and thats difficult in real life, and in the show they just dont want to start the procces of healing
I assume it's also a stipulation of Alastor helping with the hotel, and he can use Husk as an ear on the ground floor
@@WikterRor2807 also how JUDGEMENTAL ppl are of other ppl going to therapy. "oh whats wrong with you? are you just a sad person? just think positive, your being sad because you want to" shit my and other families say to each other and younger kids. the whole "just deal with it" mentality.
@@darkdest6664 tbh it's quite opposite where I live... people are aware of depressed people, and they are prepared to absolutely drown you in kindness... trying to take care of you, while you might need just some normal human interactions...
People want to help, they just don't know how.
Its still miles better than people not getting it, but people still tend to not tell anyone that they go to therapy, here.
No clue if its on purpose or not, but having a bar makes sense for alastor as well, in the sense that he's an old timey demon, and bars really were the perfect venue. plus it's good to have a safe space to ween people off of bad habits in an environment thats meant to keep you out of harm's way."I'd rather you get it from me than somewhere dangerous" essentially
While I don't really have an issue with people shipping them, I feel like Angel really deserves a close relationship to someone that isn't romantic/sexual. Like, i think it would do so much good for his character development to end the show not in a romantic relationship
I agree a lot
i mean, i think what he needs is a relationship that isnt ONLY about sex, if any, really. he seems like he's replaced the concept of love entirely with being used and forced to submit, and in my eyes, someone that shows him the difference between being valued and being used would be extremely important for him.
he doesnt seem at all like he's asexual or aromantic, so being in a legitimate relationship he also values i think could be really special & healing for him
i'll still be rooting for them both no matter what ♡
@@roombie. 👏😊 (idk what else to say)
If there is a relationship. I hope it’s a nice healthy one between them. Also I want to see them both grow to know each other and help each other with anything before they get into a romantic relationship.
They’re confirmed to be in a relationship later on. I would prefer to see them become friends first, then to get much closer and then ofc be in love. Their love should be sincere and slow. In the sense that they shouldn’t be crazy with sex but be patient and caring towards together.
I think Husk and Angel Dust's interactions and growth together embody HOW Charlie's dream will come true. As you've pointed out, so far she's working on Good Intentions and Summer Camp logic. Where she'll actually succeed is simply creating a safe space where sinners can escape the rat race that is Hell, where they can become an actual community, where demons like Carmilla don't have to hide how much they love their children or worried that someone/everyone is out to tear them down. THAT is how she'll redeem sinners, more than anything. That and maybe throwing her power around just enough to show the guests in her care are NOT TO BE MESSED WITH.
I like that! Not just the basic, vague idea of "vulnerability" that Charlie was going for in the trust exercises, but bonding with others over emotional common ground and being proud (ironically hehe) of what they are/are becoming.
I agree. Angel needs more platonic relationships. And I'm a sucker for the found family trope.
I think that either could work the only thing that matters is the execution if the execution is bad the whole thing falls apart
No shit sherlock.
This is the problem, not every character needs to be in a romantic relationship. Why not just be close friends or Husk is there for angel like he was in the episode? That's how shows are ruined because the audience wants to ship every body and then realizes how it doesn't work. Good writing or not, it just doesn't fit in the story. They are great friends, but lovers? Keep that shit out.
Angel Dust getting a boyfriend could potentially be interesting. I mean, Valentino was already ready to attack the hotel simply because Angel was living there. If he finds out that Angel is in a relationship, I don't think Vox would be able to stop Val anymore. Tho I guess this idea could also work if Angel and Husk stay close friends, Valentino would definitely get jealous regardless
There’s an ancient live stream that said Angel will get a boyfriend, but it’s not one of the main cast.
Idk, Wasnt Husk made by Vivzie's younger sister after Viv asked her to make someone specifically for angel?? I guess the relationship wasnt specific, but I think it was? The writing def makes it seem different than was prob originally intended lol
I don't like the idea of them dating but I like the bond they have
Same
ABSOLUTE SAME.
True doh, there’s not much they have romantically since the hotel is more like a found family and I like that.
Honestly i think they should just be friends, Angel needs more people to understand him and help him
Same. They're better as Homies or Vitriolic Best Buds
What Angel needs is friends and people who love him platonically or familially, not romantic partners. I love romantic Huskerdust when they've both gone through some character development and are better to themselves and others. Until then, I'd prefer they stay as mentor/mentee and friends
Agreed!
For now, they seem to be friends than before as Husk wasn’t into how Angel kept pushing his boundaries. I already know they’ll be in a relationship because it’s obvious from the hints that the creator dropped.
Slow burn relationship between the two would be nice to see. They already kind of friends, then it can be friends, next close friends, later start to develop feelings, lastly confession and then a romantic relationship. I would believe that their relationship won’t be sexual asf. It would be a cute genuine one.
Like, they won’t kiss immediately on the lips. I feel like they’ll hold hands or husk kisses Angel hand to show that they’ll take things slow.
I can’t wait to see the outcome. If it’s not a romantic relationship then I’m happy to see that they’re going to be close friends ❤
People being sexually abused and becoming over sexual is a real thing. Angel specifically is pretty clearly being overly sexual as a coping mechanism. I think it's more strange that the shows none stop, "angle is gross", jokes from the cast isn't great. Husk is the only one that has feel of upset at boundry crossing and not, "ew, gross" energy. Which is weird for a show that's taking on a lot of sexual topics. Niffty is the only other exception that's that ride or die friend that seems indifferent about everything that's going on around her.
Yea it is, I experience this. I'm guilty of being way too pushy with men, I realize it.
While it is pretty ironic that a rehabilitation facility has a bar and you'd think that would cause more harm than good, Husk might be the only one who can at least start getting guests interested in rehabilitating themselves. Since he's been able to read people so well (he even has Charlie trying to deny her own issues), he's better than anyone else at getting to the root of the problem and maybe can help think of a solution. Maybe that's why Alastor keeps him a bartender and not part of the main staff, because he knows the hotel won't fail if Husk is in charge.
Fr. I for sure think that Husk cares a lot more than he appears to, like yes people ramble when they're drunk, but if he truly didn't care than he wouldn't even tell them or go through the effort to remember, and in such specific detail too.
Low key its a high iq play to put a bartender there.
Its a therapist that somoene damaged wont be afraid to talk to
@@bluebird1914 Or now that he works in an environment that's at least meant to encourage caring about others, he might start making more of an effort
@WikterRor2807 wow a free therapist! Actually the price you pay for that kind of therapy is you get therapized while still having your alcoholism enabled
You know bar isn't that far fetched, now I'm not someone who's been through addiction but usually cutting it cold turkey is pretty freaking hard and can very much effect you mentally. So having a bar so they work on drinking less over time rather then all at once could be helpful-at least I think so but I'm not a professional.
I definitely think it is important for Angel to start to harbor a healthier relationship, platonic or romantic. If they were to date, I feel like sexual insecurity and boundaries, Angel learning to be intimate without it just being a show for someone else, would be a really interesting character point to develop
This is a good way to look at it, I feel like I'm just looking at a bunch of straight men complaining about how fandoms can't see 2 men as friends.
This is what I want, you're actually using your head.
Finally someone who thinks exactly like me
Thank u
A show I recommend that kind of explores this with a MLM couple is the Heartbreak High remake on Netflix. Although it actually is related to both characters Arcs and sexualities considering one of them is ace. Well if your looking for that kind of exploration of it but your comment just made me think of how the show explored it recently in its 2nd Season
@@maple.wishie And it's so funny because they don't realize that basically every single character in this show has been confirmed to be queer in some way except Nifty. It's like when straight people go to gay clubs and get shaken to their core when a gay person flirts with them. Like, don't you realize where you are??
And I think this is the very reason they think that "No one can just have friends anymore" when they see queer ships becoming canon. They don't pick up on queues bc they don't expect queerness to show up, since they are so accustomed to everyone being straight as a ruler, that their minds get blown when 2 characters of the same sex get together. They are also not familiar with gay-specific tropes in media, so there's that.
They are just completely oblivious to queer culture and it shows. Like, no Jake, the 2 gay characters who have been confirmed to be a romantic pairing are NOT going to "just be homies" and drink bear together as bros. They are going to drink hard liquor and say "yes homo".
I would honestly like seeing them as a platonic relationship more, but Vivzie herself said that Husk was kinda created specifically to be Angel’s love interest so idk.
Oh no. I really don't get why any good connection needs to end up in a romantic relationship. :/
Yeah I don't follow Vivzie anymore but I remember her saying that. Maybe she changed her mind but it's probably a planned couple
@@foxychan7880Same- but its her show, so ya can't help it 😔
@@foxychan7880 That was my problem with Blitzo's relationship with basically every character. They're either his crush, his ex, his sex partner, he teases them with flirty jokes or _they_ have a crush on him.
she said that?? Not to be annoying but thatd personally be great news to me. But, I've not heard anywhere that husk was for that, before... so howd you hear that?
One thing that's original with Vivziepop - and arguably _heretical_ - is that her Hell is full of love. Agonized, dysfunctional, operatic love, as befits Hell, but it's genuine love. Moxie and Millie, Vaggie and Charlie, Angel and Husk; and we can foresee that Stolis will heroically sacrifice himself for Blitz and Octavia. Vivziepop preaches a wholesome theme: redemption through love.
Naw, other than MillieXmoxxie (in which Millie is just boring and doesnt exist without Mox) she cannot make a relationship that isnt toxic... This going any other way than friends is just the cherry on that cake
I really, honestly, wholeheartedly hope that Stolas doesn't end up killed and can actually have the relationship with Blitz that he clearly so desperately wants. And Blitz really needs it too.
@@WikterRor2807actually i think about half of her canon ships so far r healthy. Millie x moxie, charlie x vaggie, fizzy x ozzy. Obviously stolis x blitz r toxic and angel x husk if they do become a ship started off rocky, but i dont see the latter being too toxic if toxic at all. So i really dont know what ur talking about when it comes to toxic relationships.
Now that i think about it if vaggie cant see her life without charlie i can understand that being unhealthy for sure and definitely is something she needs to deal with. Other than that theyre really supportive of each other.
@@yazzyari9746 so yeah... on this comment chair i might have forgotten to say that she makes usually relationships in two ways...
Boring or toxic.
Milli x moxie?
Boring, Millie doesn't exist outside of Moxie, despite there already being two seasons for her to grow... it's general agreed that this is one of the biggest problems of "helluva boss"
Charlie x vaggie is again, quite Boring.
I said it before. Puppy loving optimist x harass with a soft Inside is not only very stereotypical, but also Stephanie Beatriz played this role in like (now) 3 tv shows in the 2010?
Fizzy x ozzy is kinda cool I guess, I liked the way it was made, that there was this little scene where they sang about Lust yet when Fizz fell down, Osmodeus clearly cared.
Still tho, power difference so one could probably do some unhealthy arguments from that, but I won't...
Now Stolitz... obviously I don't need to say anything.
@@WikterRor2807i mean first dude, it's.... it's hell. Why would a relationship in hell be completely healthy and functional. and second it's like, almost like that's her like genre. You don't go to the opera and complain that nobody is talking, her stories are about hurt people struggling to get better with each other. You want a healthy love story i mean, there are stories about that. Go watch the original addams family, literally the healthiest funniest relationship in history! But even moxie and millie while there ARE INTENSE writing problems with Millie, their relationship isn't unhealthy. They love each other, millie in universe isn't unhappy. What you are upset about is millie's screen time and writing, not their relationship. Which is very strong and supportive.
Their relationship in the show comes across as them being friends, not lovers. There's nothing wrong with two dudes supporting each other, and in their situation, with Husk having seen so much, this makes sense.
Brothers not buttpirates
They are a slowburn. Besides, how often do friends become romantic partners later on?
@@talesofgore9424 I'm afraid Husk was quite literally made to be Angel's love interest so...gay gay homosexual gays.
I think huskerdust is fine where it is for the moment, but I am definitely interested to see how they make the transition into them actually displaying any sort of romantic attraction toward each other.
i think itll be one of the more interesting things worth the wait out of all the dynamics, romantic or otherwise. But I do 🤞 hope
AngelHusk is literally the free-est ship name ever. How did you fuck that up
@@fool1044 AngelHusk doesn't have the same ring to it as huskerdust it's just not as catchy
i pray to god they just stay friends it works so much better
@@fool1044 EXACTLY what i was thinking wtf😭
I personally think that this dynamic can be used to help Angel realise that there is more to his worth than just sex appeal.
I hope so. That would probably be the thing to do him the most good.
As someone who’s been through very similar trauma as Angel (being prostituted without much of a say, having my addiction fueled to keep me obedient, DV) hypersexuality is something that’s apparently common and something I experienced. It was never to the point of harassing someone, I wouldn’t do that. But I was a 4 hookups a night person for a while. A healthy relationship and therapy really helped. I also had my Husky, which really helped. That person wasn’t my partner, so that’s one of the reasons I love the dynamic but don’t care for the ship
Thank you so much for your insight and input. While I respect your opinion I would still rather see Angel in a platonic relationship first and only. If not let it be grounded in a solid bond of brotherhood and comraderie at least as strong foundation for something more
@@Xerroc22 Totally get it. I don’t mind it if they get together (because if it makes Angel happy he deserves that). But first and foremost he needs a friend and a mentor, so I hope it goes there even though I know viv it probably won’t
@@entirelypsycho2810are you ok? did you feel better? you can cry as mush you can:) so sorry to hear that I hope you get well soon and visit therapist often I want you to feel better and take care yourself//give a warm burrito blanket hug 🤗
I completely understand why people would ship these two, but I much prefer them being friends. What Angel needs right now are friends, not a love interest.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
Agreed
This is why Cherri bomb needs to beat Val’s ass. Friends are so much better imo. And I can’t wait to see Cherri and Angel back in action and I wonder how she’ll be like towards Val and angel together
@CipherRage-tp5ql yeah, but he will prbably jump straight into a relatiobnship in the show and sudenly everythiung will be "great:"
@@animdoodle yes, absolutely
This is exactly what I thought. It doesn't really feel like romance to me, but I can see them heading to that direction but I'm kind of praying they don't.
Yeah, I'm hoping they don't become romantic but between all the teasing from the Twitter + Viz love of MLM, I expect it to happen (hot take, Fizz x Asmodeous is the only good MlM ship in the show)
@pedanticat9479 that's the correct take 😂 it's the only one that didn't start off with constant sexual harrasment
@@pedanticat9479frankly?..I have to agree, i was on board with stolitz until season 2 happened, that ship got weirder and weirder, and the more i think about the societal implications the more i hate it and how much spotlight it takes from that show, fizz and asmodeus is just them but better, which i get is the point but, they're better in a way i dont think they intended
It's going to happen, I'm afraid.
I don’t really mind the Angel x Husk ship so long as their romance doesn’t feel forced, friends or lovers I really enjoy their dynamic
Not to mention Husk might be the connection Angel needs at the moment, platonic or romantic - Husk won’t make him feel pressured or uncomfortable, and respects him for who he is, which is really wholesome
I agree that Stolitz kind of lost me in Season 2, so I can only hope they execute this ship well as opposed to not wanting it to happen at all
When Husk says "It seems like... you might need a bartender to talk to," it sounds like a stand-in for "parent." Helped by the fact he's hoisting his suspenders. Also helped that anyone voiced by Keith David sounds much, much older than what Blake Roman is doing. That same vocal contrast is why I never got into Fluttershy x Discord.
Nice voice, but imo he sounds like such an old man currently, feels weird with Angel. Since it is heavily implied that they're going to get together unless the creator is just baiting *hard* with everything she's said in interviews, I hope the VA can try to make it less awkward...less like a father or even grandpa lol. I'd like to hear his flirty voice or something.
Also I hate they're technically giving a spoiler, so there is not going to be an element of surprise if it happens. They're platonic now but I am unable to watch their wholesome platonic moments blindly because of this context in the back of my mind of how they're going to eventually get together. So that kinda ruined it a little for me
@@Okk681 fr bro, I agree w u a lot.
@@Okk681husk is a deeper voice because he died when he was old. Although angel dust died early in his age but he was born way before husk. So Angel is older than husk for a couple of years
@@Player-pr2zy Yeah I know the age thing doesn't matter and it's hell, I was just saying why they seem awkward together at first but I've been warming up to it.
Bartenders aren't parents.
0:52 - Something that I feel a lot of people haven't realized is.. Angel's behaviour, the hypersexualization and projecting it onto others via borderline sexual harassment is actually an incredibly accurate depiction of a trauma response to ongoing sexual abuse. It's the equivalent of a child witnessing domestic violence amongst their parents and punching their sibling - It's the only way they know how to release their own frustrations, and feel a sense of control in a situation where they do not have any control.. "If I strike first, I cannot be harmed."
It's weird in a way where it's supposed to make you kinda uncomfortable, but it's actually incredibly realistic.
(I havent read the whole paragraph yet, and I'm only 06:52 into the video, but I just assumed that was a known thing
Every 1x4 reaction ive seen so far knows bc the bar moment also makes it obvious if people didnt already know
I think people know this but again it’s not really an excuse for his behavior and it definitely is sexual harassment ;’) I love Angel but I recognize he is flawed and the fact his trauma has been unresolved has made him also do some awful things
Didn't say it was an excuse for his behaviour, just an explaination & reassurance that it is unfortunately a pretty typical response to ongoing SA :( I imagine as the series progresses and Angel confronts Val & starts to deal with his trauma, we will see him drop the hypersexualization and act more himself!@@Lottessence
I don't care they are lovers or friends.I just know they are a really good duo and i love thiss
I actually like that Moxxie and Angel have such similar backstories. Really showcases how different the results on the human psyche can be from person to person.
I remember seeing old art on Viv’s tumblr of Snowy Husk and All-Six-Arms-All-the-Time Angel that called them best friends. I really do hope they stay just friends, because I can only imagine them continuing to bond if Angel backs off. The whole point of “Masquerade” is that not only is Angel in a horrible situation, his coping mechanism is really unhealthy and masking isn’t the answer either. Plus, Husk made it abundantly clear this episode that Angel’s advances are _extremely_ unwelcome (that *“STOP!”* came from his soul), and I don’t think someone as cagey and antisocial as Husk would be all that eager to get with someone who genuinely did sexually harass him for over a week, even if he can otherwise learn to be Angel’s friend.
That and the shipdom is kinda scary sometimes. Seriously, my RP partner can’t go on Pony Town as Husk anymore without any Angel Dusts jumping him.
Not on-topic at all but i didn't expect someone to talk about Pony Town here of all places.
@@lucaselchidoris4637 You can blame Blitzo for this, actually, he used to post about it back when the Hellaverse Instas were still active and I think it was what spurred some people to sign up. It was for me at least.
@@lucaselchidoris4637neither did i
With how much Angel says Daddy, it’s about time he gets a good father figure
Absolutely. I hope Viv doesn't just completely change Husk's character to force a romance.
@@anitaremenarova6662 She ships them, so it's 100% going to take that turn, fortunately, or unfortunately depending on whose asking.
Sorry this is about womens perspective though...as stated by Viv. Edited Look up Josei.
@@Featheryfaith7 huh?
@@Featheryfaith7 What is that supposed to mean lmao
Ever since I saw the pilot I saw potential in these two becoming a couple but when you realize that Angel needs a friend to talk to more than a romantic interest it’s understandable they end up being platonic. Either way I don’t mind them being platonic or not, they still have a really great dynamic.
So in regards to Angel displaying hypersexual behaviors while also being a victim of sexual abuse is really true to life for some victims. A common coping mechanism for some victims is turning to hypersexuality as a way of reclaiming their sexual autonomy, however it’s rarely if ever a healthy or constructive way of coping. We see this with Angel pushing Husk’s boundaries and realizing that he’s being just like Val by doing so, which ends with Husk and Angel finding genuine companionship with each other. The cycle of abuse is very real and Angel very well could fall down that pitfall, but with real genuine friends at his side and a support system backing him up, he can save himself from succumbing.
I myself see Husk as the wise old man teaching the youngsters about life
Exactly how I see it too.
And the two being Just Bros at some point
genuinely, he’s like a different version of uncle iroh in my eyes
@@thealmightybucket5930 I would agree
If they ever do become canon, I hope they stay friends for a long long time. Angel deserves to have close friends that love him! So they should be friends for a while so he can learn to love again.
I agree. They need to be friends first, then get closer, next starting feel something for the other, and eventually can confess and love each other. Their love should be slow and genuine. I don’t wanna see them get into sex quickly or share a room because it would make no sense. Husk is a respectful guy and Angel by that point, would feel uncomfortable to take things quickly.
It should be small things, like writing letters or bringing flowers to each other, go on meaningful dates, hold hands, small hugs and maybe a kiss on the forehead or cheek. Most of all, that they support , respect and trust each other.
They will be canon btw. And Viv wants it to be a slow burn, so yes, they will be friends for a long time 😊
Dating feels off to me too. The dynamic as family just feels so much more wholesome in a way. Especially bc Angel dust is sexualizing everyone, and husk has this 'leave me alone' attitude. Two people who somehow treat each other differently than they treat everyone else in moments of vulnerability is just the most wholesome shit ever and family nails it for sure.
Exactly, especially since Angel was rejected by his father and most of his family due to his sexuality it'd be that much more sweet to have Husk be his found father figure.
I agree Angel could have found in Husk a real friendly partner, who shows him that his "real self" is not only linked to making love and that he has other qualities, the episode us showed it a bit and I wish they would really go that way. Even at the beginning, Angel makes advances towards Husk in a quite forceful way and he wants Husk to accept and like him, but Husk doesn't like it and ends up helping him when Angel no longer sees him as just a boy friend but someone he can confide in. But yeah, the way Angel acted might make me a little uncomfortable if their relationship comes to reality, which at this point is pretty sure
I don't mind Husk and Angel being Endgame, I just wished both the fandom and the show itself allowed Angel and Husk to be JUST friends for a bit. The official Hazbin sm accounts keep talking about them as a ship and the fandom just eats it up. I loved their song and this dynamic because they're FRIENDS, and it's honestly to only two characters who've developed a friendship naturally. Their fights in this ep felt natural because of the reasons you mentioned. We've seen their base inital interactions for 3 eps now, and ep 4 moves on past that and DEVELOPS THEIR FRIENDSHIP IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE. I really REALLY hope the show allows Husk and Angel to be friends for a bit before any romantic arc happens because their friendship is actually really sweet. But judging by the way the official sm accounts talk about them and the way Helluva treats Stolitz, I'm really uneasy about the future of their development. Not even Charlie and Vaggie have had this type of relationship development yet and Charlie is the MAIN CHARACTERS (and honestly I think we can all guess why that it)
I'm genuinely curious about what fans you're interacting with because the ones I've seen are all ecstatic that Viv confirmed the ship was going to be more of a slowburn, leaving them as friends for a while 😅
@@47ratsinahoodie Yeah, most/all of the ones I've seen are really happy for a slowburn friends-to-lovers situation (I'm one of them)
@@Nellyaa (same)
@47ratsinahoodie what I mean is, at least the fans that I've seen
(I refuse to touch Twitter or tiktok I've been off those platforms for years and will never go back)
Are happy it's a slowburn but with the mentality of it becoming a romance. It's all tropey Ao3 stuff. People like the slowburn stuff in "enemies to friends to lovers" way and not a "oh this is a nice development for both of these characters I can't wait to see what happens next". Everyone expects Husk and Angel to get together so their friendship is being viewed as a step towards the "Owo gaybies shippy fanfic" stuff. I just wish the official SM didn't talk about it so much so that viewers could speculate and theorize more rather just wait for the inevitable
@@ChelCM03 Understandable that you wouldn't go on Twitter but like, that's where the sane fans seem to be. I don't use TikTok but according to the fans who do, it's pretty messy there, mainly a lot of children involved and people in general misunderstanding characters and whatnot. So while Twitter's definitely got some over the top people, from my experience it also has the most normal fans, and that's where I see actually both people being excited for the romantic relationship but also theorizing how Husk and Angel may help or comfort each other. It's friendly fluff, I'm gonna call it, where you could see something as romantic but it's literally just something you might see in a healthy friendship. It's mostly stuff similar to what we'd already seen in Masquerade (admittedly leaning more toward physical contact such as dancing but like, dancing isn't just reserved for lovers lol), or just the same dynamic as previous episodes with the adding understanding of being losers and this more friendly. People like where they are right now. We're happy that they'll be a couple but we're excited for what they're doing on the way, too. Even if they'd just stayed friends, they'd still get to or be at a point where Huskerdust fans are happy cause we just really want to see Angel and Husk get to better places ✨
I may be biased because huskerdust got me into this fandom, but I love love love them together romantically. I can totally understand that people think itd be good narratively for a sexually traumatized character to have a solid platonic relationship (he has that with cherri!) but i think them being together romantically can achieve the same goal. Viv is making it slow burn on purpose, angel needs someone to truly take it slow with him, treat him gently and let a genuine relationship help him heal some scars he has. He needs a lover that is first and foremost his best friend and i think thats exactly what theyre doing with huskerdust! And trust me, every huskerduster out there is alll about this slow burn, we want these two to take their time falling in love (i have doubts since hazbin seems to have to rush its story but at least we got 1 season of it!)
I honestly don’t see romantic chemistry , they are more enjoyable when Angel Dusk is not bothering Husk
Angel needs a friend more than he needs another lover. Angel is a victim so he dont know boundaries, Husk is showing his love by not fucking him.
I don’t mind whatever happens, I just hope if they are gonna be a romantic thing, that they build up to it slowly through a strong friendship first
Build it up slowly? Dont lie to yourself, that aint happening.
@CipherRage-tp5ql Ehem. Season 2?
@CipherRage-tp5ql it have a confirmed season two since the first teaser trailer and have planned at least 4 seasons for what I know
im scared that this 5 month jump will make the ship go fast to us
Yes. At least make the relationship organic and not hookup oneitis. There way too much of that. If the relationship must delvop sexually I'd rather it be grounded in a solid commraderie than pure lust. Angle already has lust enough for the two of them and it is rampant enough through the setting. Can't this relationship be built slowly enough that they love each other more than just through physical lust?
I really see why you'd think of it this way, but I disagree. I think that Angel's behavior towards husk is (like other users might've pointed out) related to his trauma and problems. Everything he went through with Valantino fucked up his conception of intimacy and boundries, his hatred for himself makes him think he doesn't deserve someone who'd love him, so he's pushing Husk away intentionally before anything romantic happens. He doesn't feel like he'd deserve that, and he doesn't wanna be hurt by being rejected when he makes a serious attempt, and he doesn't wanna go through the guilt that comes with unintentionally ruining the relationship.
I want Huskerdust to happen because Angel deserves and needs someone who'd understand and love him, especially after everything he's been through. I'd still be okay with them being friends if that's how the show goes
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks they're fine with just being friends
Yeah, and also I think that Husk would actually be a good father figure to Angel since he died in his 60s os smth like that. A little querulous, but still supportive and understanding, able to give an advice etc. It would also work because Angel is hypersexual and severely needs a good platonic relationship. I just can't see them dating, honestly.
Yeah, i see them as best friends and even family. I hope Viv doesn't make them together because i think due to the sexual relationship abuse Angel has been through, what he needs is a platonic partner not a romantic or sexual one.
@@Annie-wy5mc I think a romantic one could work. Since he hasn't rlly gotten in a healthy, genuine romantic relationship it would be a big contrast between the almost strictly sexual and abusive behaviour of Valentino against Angel vs the strictly romantic and healthy relationship with Husk. They are confirmed to be a slow burn romance anyway so I think that my scenario fits what Viv has said abt what's gonna happen in the show.
Honestly this is one of the few ships so far where I'd love them as besties and as romantic partners. Both is good, both makes me happy. I Just love their dynamic
hear me out, romantic but not sexual. God it would feed my traumatised little soul to see a relationship where a hypersexual person is allowed to recover in a safe space with someone who cares about them for more than their body.
I completely agree
i feel like after ep 4 angel will be less sxxual with husk (and prob others too)
no one has called him out for it (as in no one told him off for being so sxxual) except for husk. so angel will prob learn from husk calling him out on it iykwim
YES I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS IDEA
YES THANK YOU
@@pippinforrest66 MY EXACT THOUGHTS!!!! For a person such as Angel, who is so desensitized to sex as a form of intimacy bc it has not been that way for him in AGES, being open about his feelings and being intimate in a more emotional way is gonna be a much more intimate thing for him than sexual acts!
One of the common trauma responses to sexual abuse is hypersexuality... so it fits Angel for him to be over the top with the flirting. But I see your point.
I actually think there handling his storyline pretty well. Its not shown in media as often because its controversial and hard to do properly but making a ton of off color jokes about it is an incredibly believable way for a victim of abuse to act. The important thing is how its framed and they quite clearly got that right. Hes a victem of abuse, not copeing well, and making everyone uncomfortable in the process. Thats real that happens.
From what I've read, apparently Angel Dust shows an aspect of an SA victim where they cope with their lack of self-worth by acting hyper sexualized.
I honestly would much rather see them grow as a platonic relationship. I think they match millions times better that way than romantically. I love seeing strong platonic relationships with characters anyways, instead of them always having to be romantic or sexual.
I view them as very close friends, close but still good friends
I can already tell that the creators will want this ship to be romantic, they already have the enemies-to-lovers banter, the annoyed, snarky b!tch x flirty and overpowering diva complex going on, so it's no surprise...however, I couldn't have been the only one that read this as an older brother/ younger brother dynamic? Husk went out of his way to comfort Angel , still actively avoids his s3xual advances, but cares enough to do that for him because he can recognize himself in Angel. Angel, as experienced as he is, doesn't know any better and needs that sort of elderly guidance and familial care so he can feel safe and loved. I hope the creators choose that and let the Angel x Husk ship become wholesomely platonic and sweet. This show, in particular, NEEDS at least ONE platonic relationship that is wholly sweet and endearing. Any others barely count because Charlie and Vaggie barely have anything going on, Alastor is in a relationship with danger itself. The villains of the show aren't as close as how we see those in Helluva Boss. Even if they kept the flirting to keep the fandom in a "will they won't they" guessing game, I'd rather have that than have them sleeping with each other. And to note, if the creators are smart - they should keep Helluva Boss as the show with the emphasis on romantic/sexual relationships. Hazbin Hotel has the essence of family. Let's keep them as a family in the making.
I mean I see it goes both ways! As someone who sees a lot of older gay men with younger gay men and that type of dynamic it clicked for me right away into the possibility of being romantic. Especially with Loser Baby just the sort of sarcastic term of endearment is cute.
Idk it just depends on your personal experience which way you might see it go. I know lots of people not in the community get so confused by the age gap relationship especially between men but it’s very common and not bad.
That doesn’t mean you have to ship them though! I’ve also had ships like that where I just don’t see it at all even super obvious canon ones but for this one I def see it!
Perfectly worded!
Fully agreed, what Angel needs is a mentor father figure not a forced rebound.
This is is the vibe I get with Hazbin Hotel since Charlie of it is the lead or icon for it. Best we decided something really wholesome and platonic
honestly yeah, I'm a little disappointed that the marketing is already spoiling the relationship that Angel and Husk will develop in the future. I'm not a fan of the Angel and Husk ship, but if they developed their story enough I could accept it, but the fact that they often repeat it to us before it even becomes real on the show affects the way I view this relationship as if they were saying “this ship is awesome!” as if to persuade before even proving it to me
After I watched the series, I didn't realize how big of a ship HuskerDust was until I went online and started consuming more Hazbin Hotel fan content. I get the appeal (their duet was incredible), but it certainly doesn't do it for me, and I'm honestly kinda disappointed that them becoming canon is the worst kept secret from the creators/producers of the show. I definitely see them as a more mentor/mentee pairing than a romantic/sexual pairing, for two main reasons:
1) Angel really needs platonic love in his life. For the situation and the mental state he's in, platonic love would do him a world of good - and he's already on the path for that at the end of season 1 with the rest of the hotel gang. I'm honestly really tired of platonic love not being recognized in media as the powerful thing it is; it's constantly sidelined for romantic/sexual relationships or friends-to-lovers relationships, when platonic love can be just as redeeming, powerful, and empowering. That may be why RadioDust as a ship is slightly appealing to me - or at the very least, thought provoking. Alastor being asexual and Angel being hypersexual as a coping mechanism could lead to some really interesting developments - though I highly doubt that would actually ever happen in canon, nor would I necessarily want it to happen. At the end of the day, I really don't ship Angel with anybody in the series so far, at least not romantically. The boy needs all the love he can get, and I don't think romantic/sexual love would be as helpful to him as a character as true platonic bonds would.
2) Husk is so old-man coded for me. It feels kinda icky to romantically ship him with Angel, who is coded as much younger. I know age doesn't matter in the afterlife (not to mention, they're a spider and a cat...), but it still kinda gives me the ick. He seems like a great mentor and friend for Angel (even father figure-y), but thinking of them together romantically... I dunno. I kinda just wish they'd introduce a new character for Angel to vibe with (perhaps once he's in a better place mentally...) because I honestly don't really like any of the possible (romantic) ship options for him as the roster currently stands. I just feel like I'm gonna be less than satisfied with HuskerDust becoming endgame (if the hints we keep getting from the crew are anything to go by, it's gonna happen - it's just a matter of when).
The crossover that really needs to happen is Angel meeting Fizz (and maybe even Ozzie). THAT is the mentor(s) Angel really needs. I think that would be an incredibly wholesome friendship to watch unfold, not to mention Fizz and Ozzie would be able to give Angel so much empowerment in his own healing journey and for getting out from under Val's thumb. I honestly crave Angel and Fizzozzie interactions so damn much, but I highly doubt we'd ever get it (despite the fact that that friendship would be INCREDIBLY healing for Angel).
PS: Is anyone else bothered by Husk's massive eyebrows? It just makes me think of Husk in human form with insane ear and nose hair... Which kinda kills his romantic "shippability" for me, to be honest, especially with someone like Angel.
I still think it’s kind of surprising they kept a secret for so long but revealed the ship name on their official Twitter I think they’re playing us but I could be wrong. It will be a very bad secret if that was the case
I want to see Charlie and Vaggie bond, I know they don’t have to prove they’re in love but I feel like they lack something. Some back story would really hit the spot tbh!
@CipherRage-tp5ql write your own female characters then.
I agree. I do find them cute together! But I would also like if there was more to show for it than just saying they’re a couple. Like maybe why were both attracted to the other in the first place. (Emotionally speaking)
Kinda have the same thoughts about Ellie and Dina but that’s a different thing.
Edit: Ok I just wanted to say the new episode added a _little_ bit more context on how they met and some more so that helps!
@@grimsonforce7504 That's like two people at a gas station, one saying that the fuel is low quality and the other telling them to make their own fuel then. Pretty braindead.
I get Angel always hitting on Husk and not having proper boundaries, its not a good thing but it does make sense. The guy has never known proper boundaries from anyone else and keeps up the hyper sexual front to the point he doesn't even know when or how to turn it off. This is how he has been treat this whole time, unwanted sexual advances on him so he's never known how to approach it in a healthy way only a learned way. And I think he's going extra hard on Husk not just because he's probably one of the few people Angel genuinely likes but he doesn't know how to express that in any healthy way, the lines have been completely blurred in his mind. He also probably wants to drive Husk away because he is good for him and deep down he knows he cares about him and he hates himself so much he doesn't want him to care about him. He pushes his buttons and boundaries not to really make a joke but push him away, make Husk so angry he'll give up on him in an attempt to protect himself and Husk from being involved with him. Angel is probably really annoyed deep down that Husk doesn't just abandon him in the dirt or use him like everyone else because it doesn't make any sense with everything he's lived so far. Its better to intentionally ruin something good and drive a person who cares away before you can ruin it unintentionally.
Honestly its a little upsetting seeing the mass reactions on twitter be so negative towards it calling it a gross joke, when watching I didn't see it as the show making light or making a joke out of abuse and coping mechanisms or self destruction especially considering all the scenes around it. In fact it hits way too close to home and I don't see it often portrayed so honest. I really don't get the reactions to the song saying its saying suck it up abuse victim you're a pathetic loser like its some mean hateful victim blaming song. I know peoples experience and views are all different but it seems all very one sided, that its a bad representation all round of these topics despite other people finding it quite honest and real. I was drowning in self loathing and had an attitude that I not only deserved it but nothing can fix it and anyone who tries or even says its possible is a stupid idiot who just doesn't know.
You want people to say "You're not a loser!" so you can shut them down and put up a higher wall, so you can know how wrong they are and reinforce just how right you are about how pointless trying to get out of your spiral and situation is. So when someone close to me spun it on its head and was like "Ok so you're a loser then. So am I, so what now" and opened up about their own life did I start to drop the walls and feel like they are someone who not only understood but actually fixed their situation, maybe it wasn't impossible. Its easy to reject someone trying to fix your problems when you think they can't understand or are better off than you but having someone who knows what its like to be a self declared ''loser'' in life like you on your side its different. So I was disheartened to see so many calling the song gross and victim blaming objectively. When its one of the few shows to dare be raw about it and not constantly coddle the victim, I despised coddling when I was at my lowest because it felt like pity. What Husk did would have reached me like it did Angel whilst someone hyper positive like Charlie wouldn't have.
Thank you for this great comment. I've been thinking the same thing and you put it into words well.
I agree with most of what you said I but I think people think its a gross joke because Helluvaboss also has a lot of characters who just casually sexually harass others and its played for laughs a lot.
If Angeldust was the only one doing it but Blitzo, Stoliz, Chad, Fitz & stolas with Striker, etc so it seems like creators just think its funny. And its difficult to not think that while Angel Dust's actions do make sense its not just another ha-ha pervert gag. Since the hazbin universe overuse it.
@@alorapendrak9752 Great point. This is why I think we should think of the Hazbin and Helluva shows as separate. Yes, they're in the same universe, but the writing and story they tell is totally different.
As a survivor of SA and CSA, I find a lot of group talks and therapist and doctors expect me to have shied away from sex as a whole. Like to the point one person even expressed how “should you run away in terror at the thought of intercourse?” No, I mean, yes that can happen. Yes that is a valid expression of trauma. But it’s not everyone’s. CSA can lead to in fact the exact opposite and trauma is expressed with over sexuality. Use sex, drugs, anger, any number of things as a way to guard and protect ourselves. I see angel dust with characteristics of myself and even others whose survived. Some addiction, some casual sex and jumping into dangerous situations/ abusive relationships, etc.
I love their dynamic, and I will just like to see how it grows.
Also; Charlie and vags
I'm like you, CSA, strictly since I'm still a minor. I also see myself in Angel Dust, though Husk is my favorite character, he reminds me of the guys that really made me snap out of my BS and get me really humbled. I am glad there is someone who isn't just looking at this simple-mindedly because they're angry a gay couple is being made.
sorry to hear about it i hope you get better//give a hug
I think Angel harassing Husk is just his way to test Husk, because he believes that every male would treat him the same and even if he despite that it's self destruction habits like he did with the sharks, so that's why it hit so deep that Husk doesn't fall for it and shows him that someone can care about the real you without wanting anything else. I think Husk is exactly what people with daddy issues need, but most of the time they sadly get Valentino 😢
Damn, I can see this. I've tested people like that, I totally agree.
I have to admit, I do get very humbled when they're not into it, I do realize it's not the best thing to do. I love Husks and Angel Dusts relationship, SO MUCH.
This is kinda reminding me of the Huntlow debate, of whether Hunter should be just willows friend cuz he’s too emotionally damaged, or if Hunter and Willow should date, and the whole community being split. It reminds me of this
i dont think they're will be spicy romantic lovers but casual asexual situationship and i love it
Absolutely agree, always thought Husk and Angel Dust would be a good brotherly duo.
More like father-son, Husk is canonically in his 60s-70s.
@@anitaremenarova6662Oh lord, I can hear the shippers getting mad.
Have you people forgotten what a friend is or does everything have to fit a nuclear family structure?
@@anitaremenarova6662 More like grandson - grandfather lol
@@anitaremenarova6662Angel was 30 when he died in 1940
Husk was 60 when he died in 1970
They were *both* born in 1910 or so
But if that make you uncomfortable ok its understandable I guess
The Pilot did show Husky and Nifty together with the other Overlords, so his Backstory wasn't really a surprise
Angels whole character is about sexual stuff, so i like the idea of him finally getting close to another guy in a FULLY platonic way. i feel like itll be refreshing for the audience and maybe even Angel himself.
Same husk and angels dynamic as it is currently gives both characters alot of depth, I feel shipping them ruins this, as it tends to do with most characters
I was waiting for someone to say this! Angel really needs a person who values him for more than what he can offer in a sexual/romantic relationship, since he has a lot of trauma related to those things
While I agree, Angel's situation is purely sexual nothing romantic about it
@@Autumn-xs1bt came here to say this. I second this comment. Angel dust isn't romantic at all, but sexual/ hypersexual (not without reason, of course).
Amazing
Watching this video really changed the way I looked at their relationship. I was one of the ones that wanted them to be a couple, but hearing the reasoning that you had behind not wanting that, it makes me take a step back and realize what they could be without the intimacy. I think there needs to be more relationships like this where it's just friendship and nothing more. I also like the idea of them dating but at the same time, I feel like it would be better without it.
As a shipper of them, I love to see ppl with other opinions talk about them! These little blorbos as friends is just as cute.
Every time i see Hazbin characters i remember that one guy that roleplayed as the Doom Guy on a Hazbin Hotel RPG on character ai, and he spent the the whole time killing every single character and traumatizing them
It just lives rent free on my head. Like i'm wondering how he is now
Link to video?
well?? share with the class
Yeah, cmon mate, lets see the video
I can tolerate the ship but people keep forcing me to like the ship and constantly be rude to me because I don’t ship it
I personally never thought of Angel and Husk's relationship as romantic. Not that I'll necessarily judge the people who see it that way, but I see it as more of a mentorship/supportive friendship. They "get" each other's situation, and can relate to eachother on that level. It's really sweet.
Going on pure vibes I'd ship it, but I think Husk is more impactful as 'the guy in Angel's corner' while Angel is 'the guy making Husk's day better'. But regardless of how they wing it, I just wanna see more of these together. After clearing the air there's just a warmth to them.
Honestly, Angel harassing Husk at first is very telling. I was abused by my ex of 9 years and once we were separated i became very hyper sexual and hit on any man I seen, I also had experimented with hard drugs and drank a lot of alcohol to the point where I did become toxic. But it was just a phase of breaking a trauma bond, I realized that I was destroying what was left of myself and I had to stop.
I know it’s early in the series but something that bothers me is that you can tell that Vivzie is more passionate about angeldust compared to Charlie (the main character) so of course angel is gonna have more interesting relationships. Charlie and Vaggie are literally DATING yet their relationship is not interesting (which is bad since shipping is a huge aspect in the fandom) even in the pilot people didn’t know they were dating and shipped Charlie with Alastor. Instead of them already dating, Vivz should have created a slow burn for Charlie and Vaggie
To be fair, the whole concept of the show revolves around redeeming sinners, and since Angel Dust is the first sinner the hotel took in, it makes sense that we’d see his dark reality and reason for redemption get plenty of focus early on.
@@gigachad3925yeah that’s fair! I just hope that Vivz will handle the female characters (especially Charlie) better compared to Helluva Boss…
@CipherRage-tp5ql except that Alastor thinks she's delusional and has not show much interest in any sorts of romantic affairs. He also happens to be a cannibal serial killer demon so I'm not sure Charlotte likes that. Plus, he seems to almost view her as a young, silly girl given their age difference, beliefs and whatnot.
I find it funny that just this morning I was thinking of the exact same argument you had about angel harassing Husk.
The four episodes we got were building up to it tho and I do think it works. Some people were saying Husk was being an ass but look at what he deals with on the daily.
He's been forced to work on a bar in close proximity to the guy who literally owns him. Hes being sexually harassed on the daily and has to be forced into a rehab like setting he never asked to join.
The first part of joining rehab is wanting to go to vetter yourself. Husk had no choice.
Now every time we see him and Angel interact hes constantly being harrased and Husk has already said in episode 4 its not gonna work on him, he isnt interested in Angel or at least his extreme attempts to get his attention.
And when Angel angrilly tries to storm off after saying why should he listen to Husk after hes trested him like shit all day we finally hear Husk clap back with "I would treat you better if you weren't pushing my boundaries!" He's perfectly fine talking to Angel but when he oversteps his boundaries, he gives back what he got which is the lack of basic respect for his bodily autonomy, the same thing Angel so desperately wants so he can stop drowning in his poisonous vices to just get through the day.
I love that Husk does continue to call Angel's extreme ways out as at the end of the day it did get through to Angel and allowed him to open up and be vulnerable and what does Husk do right after? Return the energy and let his walls down too. And of course relate by telling Angel they are all in the same shit sandwhich might as well share it.
Its why Husk has become my favorite as he isnt a bad dude, he's just tired of the bad hands he dealt for himself and just wants to be left alone. But just like Angel if you take just a little bit of time to show him consideration and try to get to know him at his pace, he's more than willing to lend a fluffy ear to hear you out.
i like both options
A platonic relationship can be a safe space for Angel away from his usual coping mechanisms and give him a meaningful bond outside of sex. He finally gets close to someone else, simply because they like being around him.
A romantic relationship could show him what romance is *supposed* to look like. It's about trust, intimaticy and not just about him giving, giving and giving without ever receiving anything back. Man deserves to wake to a warm cuddle and safety in bed.
Both is good. I'm personally down for a slow burn.
Well a slow burn is cannon confirmed by Viv so you got your wish🤩
I am a Huskdust shipper and I am so happy that Husk was the one to offer Angel some normality to his life. So for me, even if platonic I do love Husk and Angel dynamic deeply. Could be romantic, could be just supportive or could be like a father figure protecting a younger version of himself. It's all good
Shipping them don't seem right. But when they bond it feels so right.
Friendship goals fr
I personally really like Huskerdust but I do think there’s a lot of good points in this video. Angel pushing Husk boundaries isn’t great and I can understand why people find that off putting. What makes it more tolerable for me is that Husk seems to understand why he does it. In episode 4, Husk points out Angel’s main flaw as being fake, not the constant harassment. I think this is because Husk understands why Angel is doing what he’s doing and he knows it’s to cope, not because he’s selfish. Plus anytime Angel does it, Husk comes across as less uncomfortable and more annoyed at the situation. He also does call him out on it in episode 4 so the show knows that Angel’s behavior needs to change.
As for the angle that Angel doesn’t need a relationship with sex, I can’t say I quite agree with it. I think it would actually be beautiful for Angel to form a more loving sexual relationship after all the sexual abuse he’s been through. It would be the ultimate sign of healing. For the record, I think it’s totally fine if they don’t go that route but I think it’s ok if they do.
I’m pretty sure Viv confirmed that this ship is going to be a slow burn, which I think is the right path for this kind of relationship. They can show these characters healing and becoming more comfortable with each other in a healthier way. We’ll have to see if this ship is handled right in later episodes but I personally think it will be.
I don’t mind either honestly, whether platonic or romantic they’re dynamic is amazing
I OBJECT 🗣️📢
Ok but why
Good for you, but why? Explain your opinion
0:56 THANK YOU! It feels like no one is talking about that and it is one of the biggest turn offs for Angeldusts character for me. I understand if its a coping mechanism, but the problem was especially prevalent when Angel kept making crude remarks and advances on husk, for husk to shut him down and then be labelled as the problem for making angel walk out. It truely baffles me.
It really makes me uncomfortable every time Angel tries to haras Husk. Love the song, and I really hope they won't default to disgusting sexual remarks in future episodes
THATS WHAT IM SAYING
I think the reason why some people would view them as more friends over lovers, is simply due to their ages. Though he died in the forties, Angel Dust died in his 20s, which explains his youthful and sarcastic disposition. Meanwhile, Husk in the 1970s and was in his 60s or 70s, explaining his more experience, if jaded, demeanor. Couples with large age gaps can work, but a lot of people tend to be uncomfortable with seeing a potentially big power dynamic take place. Regardless of their relationship status, Angel Dust and Husk have a very enjoyable dynamic that hopefully we get to see more of in the future.
BTW I feel that Husk's remark about the interregation scene being terrible was in refference to Keith David's roles as Spawn and Goliath, who did interregation extremely well.
At this point I am pretty positive huskerdust is canon because at (I believe it was the NY premiere?) they had a cocktail LITERALLY CALLED HUSKERDUST. Vivienne also said they were gonna give angel dust a love interest. So that’s where I stand.
Fr and I hope their romantic relationship is like their first time ever being in a serious relationship. Like going on picnic date, holding hands, kissing on the cheek, giving each other flowers or letters but most of all showing each other that there’s support and trust.
I shall respect your opinion but I do wholeheartedly disagree. Ain't here to start a war but simply stating my piece that I could see it work, if paced well enough
I like this relationship as non romantic. Platonic relationships are very good to me. Especially where its almost hard to explain with a simple term like friends. That could just be me and an AroAce but I always find relationships where its so loving but given no true way of describing it to be great. Doesn't have to be romantic, it can just be them.
THIS!! You just put into words something I've always thought but never worded properly, so thank you
@@mashoonsala Its just something Ive been told about a relationship I have with someone. We are just us and if I didnt clear that up, my friends wouldve thought we were still dating. Cuz a woman having a loving relationship with a man is perceived as romantic 100% of the time. I just get along with guys easily, I don't think gender should matter
@@pandemicprojections7169 It really shouldn't.. :/ Actually I feel like every deep relationship is perceived as romantic and that makes me go insane. As if, idk, friends couldn't be intimate.
But yeah, I also like those kind of relationships that you can't really describe with one simple term, it almost makes them feel more real and genuine for some reason
Glad to see another asexual who vouches for platonic friendship angle. They could be homoasexual romantic but not express their love purely though sex but comraderie. I would find that as the best of both worlds. A win win for both sides of the relatjonship
Holy shit dude you read my mind, I was worried I was the only one who thought they'd work better as friends than lovers. I love their bond, I see the chemistry, but, it's more like a friend chemistry? In my eyes at least. I just don't see the romance here.
2:05
Angel dust has a sister who is confirmed to not be in hell, so she's in heaven, which means only one of the family members got a rest in peace.
Them being great friends is enough for me. They are a great duo and i would love for things to just be a platonic relationship
personally i don't ship it i see it as them 2 having a bromance at best.
The way i see it is as Husk is there trying to guide Angle Dust into been true to himself and trying to get him to drop his mask because husk know Angle Dust is nice and deeply hurt deep down and wants him to quit his bs.
This is something I have been thinking about for awhile with media. Casual representation is always great. However, in a post shipping world, I think there needs to be an intervention about how sometimes it’s okay for two characters to bond in a platonic sense. It doesn’t always have to end in the same romantic sense. If you wanna ship these two for your fan fictions or whatever, then that’s fine. In my opinion, this platonic direction where Angel and Husk are having this best friends dynamic is already great enough.
Yeah I felt they should be mates, but Vizie is... weird, so I think we will get them as a relationship unfortunately.
She just cannot get healthy relationships hahah
Oh thank god it's not just me who isn't completely taken by the ship. I didn't want to say anything because everyone else LOVED it. I don't have anything against it, I'm just not rooting for it. YET.
Thank You!
Just because two characters care for each other doesn't mean their a thing after that
Also I like how angel isn't a perv with husk anymore after episode 4 showing they are becoming actual friends
Personally, "Loser, baby" made me come aboard HuskerDust. I don't think they'll be a couple (if they gonna be one) that comes together instantly; at this point, they feel more like they found a nice person they can be themselves with and are lowkey attracted to, which I believe they both know about. And I _love_ this sort of dynamics!
Agreed. For this to be a good ship, I hope it takes time to develop and doesn't happen instantly. Maybe a thing for the end of season two, at the earliest (depending on how long the show will run).
I honestly don’t care if their relationship turns romantic or not. I just want it to be developed well, because (between both Helluva and Hazbin) their relationship is the only one written decently.
i feel that it will feel *off the moment they start being together