As a lanky (6' 4", with long arms and legs) I just love the new type of geometry. These bikes are the first bikes I've owned that actually fit me properly.
I just realized last night that I’ve been riding my 19 evo s3 in the low position for the last three months since I bought it. I’ve never owned a bike with a flip chip, and wasn’t given a manual when I bought it. I even asked the salesman what position it was in and he said high. It’s not super obvious and it did actually look like the marks indicated the high setting. I thought the bike handled great and climbed well ect all along but it was a bit low, I live in Pennsylvania with (a lot) of climbing. I only really noticed when crossing logs ect or riding really tech climbing. After flipping the chip around it feels like a totally different bike, it handles much better and sits much higher ect. It climbs better and is all around much better for tight singletrack. The high setting addressed any little annoyance I had with it, and improved things I didn’t realize could be better. The terrain I ride in pa and wv is very similar to what they have in the northwest, and this bike definitely fits the bill when faced with steep rock drops or hills you can barley walk down all without being to much machine for regular trail duty. I don’t care much for plowing trough high speed rock gardens so have 150/140 is perfect for me, I’ve taken it off of some pretty big 6-8ft drops and it lands smoother than a house cat.
I think it's just about your riding style - if you like to go fast, no matter on what trail and precisely catch the race lines - a more aggressive geometry is the way to go. But if you like to pop, jump, manual, jibb, flick, whip and just be creative on the bike and the feature - not saying 'the trail' - (or maybe you're just riding mellower stuff) nothing beats the feeling of a (reasonable) steep and short bike. Most people seem to prefer the first version which influences the market. That makes it harder for people who like the second version better and many of these people ride bikes that are more aggressive than they'd need. Therefore I think it's great to see brands like Cannondale provide a more 'fun' and flickable bike with their Habit. Levy: You have my vote!
Dude this is you and you are right. It's all about what you enjoy. I like to jump, pop off rocks and generally dick around. I'm happy with a moderate modern geometry.
I took it one step further. I have owned both these bikes. Medium Carbon LT SJ with ohlins coil, 51mm 160mm lyrik and enves in low. Bought an S2 evo alloy frame and put the same components on it, I do run it in high . I like the evo better for sure. And I even think it climbs better than the standard bike because of the longer chainstays. I also dont believe that the evo is any less poppy because the linkage is (or feels) even more progressive than the standard stumpy. Furthermore the steeper seat tube compensates for the longer reach of the evo. It dosent feel crazy it doesn't do anything weird. I just feels like a better version of the standard bike. And I trail ride it locally in New England and frequent highland mountain bike park and pedal up. Rant over.
I’ve got the first Evo Carbon on the North Shore and it rocks my world. I can’t wait to try it on every trail I have ever ridden; it’s the best skill compensator I’ve ever ridden.
As Doddy says on GMBN, everyone these days has too much travel and too slack of a bike. People are over-biked and not having as much as fun they could be
100% agree. I used to own an antidote which had 170mm travel. Was like a rocket on the steep alpine downs and really poppy.........however. I dont actually live in the alps. My local rides are in the UK Derbyshire peak district where theres killer climbs full of massive rocks and roots with rocky, techy vertical decents. Back at home the antidote climbed and bobbed like a pig. Pedal strikes where every 20 seconds on the rocky climbs and I was always way behind when eventually reaching the top of the hills. Now I ride a kona process 111 (29er) with 130mm front and 110mm rear travel. Climbs decent, no petal strikes. Still goes quick on the decents and rolls over nearly everything. Much more of an all round bike and much more fun because of it. I've even taken it on uplift days on DH black runs. Yes I'm not as fast as a DH bike but I have loads of fun on it and surely having fun is the whole point of riding?
Agree. I actually bought a Stumpjumper comp carbon 2019 cause I liked the feel and the look of it. But its too much travel even with its 150/140 (29er version). Im def going for something like the Tallboy 4 next bike.
Eddy ride a bicycle curious to hear. I have been looking at the process 153, jeffsy Comp Pro and the Evo comp carbon. Does the evo feel better than the process even though the process has more travel?
I think it all comes down on your definition of fun: if you like to goof around, pop off of things, choose lines at slower speeds with pin point accuracy, then get the shorter bike. If your fun consists of plowing, feeling more stable and planted and not getting airborne that much, go with the longer bike. In an ideal world, you could ride both styles of bikes on different trails with customizable geo (flip chip, rear drop outs, anglesets, etc)
I agree with Levy. Or I’m somewhere in between the two. Most people’s bikes are way more aggressive than they could ever ride, that just means they aren’t getting the full experience. It’s like a Miata vs a 911. Miata you can run to its limit everyday
That makes no sense, and whats up with the "full experience" argument? Take your Miata vs 911 example for instance. Yes, most can run a Miata on its limit and some of them can't run a 911 on its limit BUT even if people only can use 70% of a 911 capability, the 911 is still faster, more fun, more exiting, more and better EVERYTHING than the Miata. Also, if you are at the limit with a Miata, you have no where to improve, your limit becomes the car itself, not YOU, whereas if you currently only can use 70% of the capability of the 911, you will learn and improve and eventually work your way up to 100% on the 911, and then the 911 is a shit-ton more fun than a crappy Miata. Same with bikes and thats why people end up with 10 bikes, because they "grow out" of them since if you are as good as your bike, you cant improve anymore, then people have to buy a bigger, faster and better bike, wasting money and resources.
How about 250 2-stroke vs 450 4-stroke for woods riding? Picking the right tool for the majority of the ride. Why buy a bike for fast straight lines? When there are more corners and tech sections ?
Definitely prefer the older geometry. It’s gone way too far. Unless you’re racing Enduro, which I do, but still ride a 65.5 HA and 445 reach and I’m 6’2”. The length of some of these bikes makes them actually hard to turn. It’s a bicycle, it needs to turn!
Both bikes are awesome but it completely depends on what terrain you’re on and what type of rider you are. I own the Stumpjumper Comp Carbon 29 and I love it. It’s poppy, playful and has nimble handling. When I go on really steep terrain I feel like I could do with a slacker bike but most of the terrain I ride is single track or less intense downhill so for me it’s perfect. One thing to note is that people with a bad lower back could have trouble with longer bikes. I always get horrific lower back ache when I ride a long bike so the conservative geometry of the regular Stumpjumper is perfect for me.
Great comparison guys!! Both are right I think, everyone likes different things. I do have the Carbon Stumpy 29er in medium, I bought it as a ST then converted it to LT. Just doing that transformed the bike, now I'm way more inclined to hit things that were hard for me before. I do miss the ST sometimes for long ride/xc days. But I try and find things that are more challenging now, LT shines there. That's why I bought the Stumpjumper, two bikes in one. Keep up the great work Mike's 👍
Owned both in comp. Love my EVO with the low bars and far reach. EVO is much more forgiving. It’s a simple choice, if you do more all mountain and climb a lot of technical trails then get the regular, but if you have easier climbs and love going downhill then pick the EVO. If you’re in southeast, EVO is great for Bakers/windrock Knoxville, windy gap in chatt, oak mtn in Birmingham, hope park Nashville
Slap some 165 mm cranks on the evo and the ground clearance really isn't all that bad. It's insane that a majority of bike companies still spec 175mm cranks on their enduro rigs. Shorter cranks let you run taller droppers too and are better for descending.
Leif Ostrum all the longer travel Spesh bikes come with 170mm cranks in all sizes now. Definitely notice the difference over my last two bikes that had 175mm
Ben Bothman imo a cool feels a lot more planted and has a better response over chattery/repeated big hits, air shocks have ramp and rebound tuning which makes it really nice for flowy and pumpy trails
You are both right, no winner. I think a hard tail is more "fun" than both options, but what about (safety)? I'm getting the evo comp alloy even though I live in lower MI. But if I ever plan to travel up north or down the appellation mountains, Ill be happy I did for the primary reason that a longer, slacker bike is more SAFE on technical trails.
Orlando Greer I’ve had the SJ LT in large, S2 Evo, and now S3. The S2 is easy to manual and wheelie IMO its a better version of the standard SJ, climbs and descends better. S3 feels much different but is more stable at speed. I keep the Evo in high mode btw.
I'm thinking EVO!!!! I ride normal trails and have to drive a few hours to get to some elevation but still prefer the slacker angles. I might even long stroke the EVO to get even more travel.
Personally I prefer a short travel bike with modern geometry, which is why I own an aggressive hardtail. You can push the suspension (or lack there of) to it's absolute limit but the geometry still asks for more. This creates a very fun bike but it's probably not very safe because of that.
I think its great that you start a conversation about it! I got the new Remedy witch is more similar to the regular stumpy and I love it! I think you have more fun on a bike that feels like a big BMX!
I have a evo and I love it, here in WNC you’re a short drive away from windrock and the trails are plenty steep, big wheels on big roots and rocks work out nicely
I've ridden my stumpy on all the blue/black trails at Whistler and all over the trails in Alberta and even the flattest trails ever in the Prairies... It pretty much does it all for me.
Hey guys! Thanks for the video. It is cool to see a discussion....a dialogue about new and old geo. What is not so cool is again it is based on subjective feel. There are many distinct reasons for a longer slacker bike. Because it is based on physics. And can't argue physics. It is a fact. To get the the knowledge out to the people on witch they can decide wether or not they buy new or an traditional geo. That would be very helpful. i mean...let´s talk about it....!
It's understandable that many people would say that nimbler bikes are more fun, however some people might actually find it more fun to be able to comfortably charge a bigger bike down rougher lines whereas the shorter bike would be less composed. I don't know that ones more fun than the other, they are different kinds of fun.
I had a bike with more normal geometry and test rode the Evo. I immediately realized what I was missing. I wound up on a transition patrol which has similar Geo but 20mm more suspension and a much better spec. Couldn't be happier
After going from a 'lower longer slacker' at the time of release Reign in L to a Bird AM9 in XL and gaining 7 cm in wheelbase, i can honestly say longer is better. Okay, the seat tube angle is much steeper, which immensely helps the climbs, i have a longer dropper and i got a 29er, but the bike is both a frickin train rolling over everything compared to the Reign, but on the other hand i pop much more things than i did before. So i'm a much more lively rider now. And the change has occured with the bike.
Coming from a DH bike and having easy accessibility to bike parks in Colorado I’d chose the EVO I think it would make a pretty awesome park bike but I’d prefer a little more travel
You know what I want to hear more about: Performance with the seat up. Hear me out here. I went to a modern geometry bike a year ago with a dropper post and at first I kinda thought the bike sucked. It way understeered and did some weird things in the corners. I soon found out I wasn't using the dropper enough. Drop the post, suck into the bike and it rides like a dream on the downhills. However, what about the in between times, not climbing but riding fast and flowy flatter stuff? The times I want the post up and I don't want to be constantly raising an lowering the seat. In the industries effort to make the ultimate all around bike and all the criteria bikes are judged by these days, why isn't anyone talking about ride feel with the post up? Cause as a long time high poster, I feel like long low and slack geometries make bikes ride crappy with the seat up, and you gotta have that thing up sometimes.
Have to say I agree. With the rise of enduro, pedaling performance is significantly undervalued. Why else would we have 50t cogs!? Not every bike needs to be an enduro slayer. On rolling trails, like you, I find them to be less fun and kind of a pain.
Both right. It's a dumb thing to even argue about. This is good as a comparison video letting people know what each bike excells at because of its geometry but should not be debated on what bike fits most people best because what's "fun" is going to be different for everyone. Some people only care about going fast and plowing down a trail as quick as possible and other like bikes to poppy and playful even if it means taking your time a little to choose the best line. Both people though are having their own fun. Doesnt matter if one climbs better or descends better. Doesnt Matter if you think one is overkill or not enough. What matters is that person is having fun on their bike and your having fun on yours.
I'm 6'1", and ride a 445mm reach bike.... Sometimes it feels too long, even though I 'should' be riding a 470-480 reach bike.... I don't go fast, but I love to hold manuals as long as possible whenever I can. I also front wheel 180 around switchback whenever possible.
I have a solid 140mm trail hardtail to handle all my local trails and isn't afraid of the odd bike park day. My FS will probably be a Status 160 for bike parks and big western descents
I have the 2022 EVO Comp on order. I was going to go with the Stumpy Comp, but I live in the PNW as well, and there are logs of chunky trails here that prefer the slacker ride with more travel.
Yeah good choice I think . Me too. Just collected the bike yesterday , 2022 EVO Expert and have not ridden it yes since the winter is back again (weather got shitted). But I am super curious and excited how that would be . I am a trail rider mainly with some attempts to try on DH sections that are available not far.. Did many enduro runs and I felt my outgoing old regular Stumpy was a limiting factor . But the geometry was from 2006, 26", so you know, I expect night and day difference.
@@PatrickFortunatoJr Glad to hear that . Now I need to figure all the susspention settings . Which is best for my weight and liking. Did you have problems to figure yours ?
@@MortalThe I went with the settings from the site. They only show the 2021, but the settings worked well. I am going to convert to tubeless soon so I can lower my tire pressure. That should make the ride a little more cushy. As for the geometry, I left it stock in the high position and center head tube. I might change that later to get a little more slacker.
I went from the standard SJ (L) to the S2 Evo and now on the S3, I’m 5’10”. If you’re used to “standard geo” and you’re judging by the numbers or a quick parking lot ride on a new Geo bike it’s going to seem awkward. Debatable, but I think most agree that a steeper seat tube angle is better for climbing and once that is factored in you need a slightly longer reach to keep the same seat to handle bar distance. So now that you’re more forward on the bike with more pressure on your bars it only makes sense to slacken out the head angle to keep everything centered. Of course a longer wheelbase makes the bike a little less nimble but honestly I can barely tell after a few rides and I actually prefer the gain in stability up and down. I get the argument for those who equate agility and response of a steeper HA to fun on the trail but I’d say go watch a couple of bike fail videos and see how much fun it is endoing into rocks and trees. On the S3 it’s just an equal but different kind of fun blasting through rock gardens and sketchy terrain at high speed without the fear of going OTB. Just my experience and $.02.
I'm still on a 2015 Trek Fuel EX 9.8 27.5 with "old school" geometry and I my face is beaming from ear to ear every time I hit the trails...Just ride, it doesn't matter what bike you're on...having said that I'll have green stumpy :)
i was a total newby when i bought a used 2014? stumpjumper evo and certainly the first thing i noticed was how long it was, which made tight turns really dicey or impossible to the point that i would fall on low speed tight turns. but i would agree makes it comfortable and stable in straight line speed. i also have occasional pedal strikes and am sometimes concerned about strikes to the bottom bracket. i have never ridden the more normal geometry to compare it. once i got used to my bike, i do feel like you can easily make it pop off the ground if you desire particularly with clip pedals. goes without saying, but would recommend trying each of course before a purchase.
I'm with levy. There's places for the Evo but everyone thinks they need it and buys one. Seen way to many people suffer on mellow trails with full enduro bro bikes. And they aren't as much fun YMMV. Having said that my choice is at least 2 bikes even if I sacrifice component spec. One enduro bike and a hardtail. Single bike stable it would be a trail bike with 130mm. Riding area is Vancouver island for reference.
i think it comes down to the debate whether to be underbiked or overbiked. A lot of the arguments that where mentioned here would also apply to a trailbike vs enduro bike discussion.
Dude I’m rocking the 2019 stumpy evo 27.5 170/150 coil fork / coil rear shock. And holy poop dude. This bike does it all. The climbing is a tad bit noticeable, but that’s where having the right gear ratio is pretty key. I’d say the bike is meant for people who are ripping. It made me faster as a rider forsure, the feeling of being planted on the ground and confident was awesome. I’ve ridden in Ashland, Moab, mammoth, Tahoe And shredding with josh bender on gnarly ohv dirt bike trails. And this bike has stoked me out so much I honestly might buy a second 27.5 frame because this thing is the love of my life Went from a carbon enduro 170/170 to a carbon stumpy evo swapped components. As well this bike is meant to be over forked 100%
Been an XC rider since the early 90s and just got into the trail bike thing. Man what a great place bikes are in these days LOL! I bought the 2022 SJ expert and man is that bike fantastic. If you are a skilled XC rider that thing rides like the fastest couch you have ever sat on ha ha! The reason for my post is I would like to tell others my experience with the SJ. I live in an area with 3 to 4 foot drops (also as big as I am willing to go) the Stumpy will do all of this just fine. The regular stumpy can play the XC game surprisingly well too. I was shocked how well this bike climbed to be honest. I hate pedal strikes about more than anything while riding and I am happy to say in the high setting after 2 months I have had ZERO pedal strikes. I think unless you ride a lot of downhill the EVO would not be needed. After all I am riding in the high setting and this thing is glued to the trail and I could still go slacker so food for thought I guess. I still want to throw a leg over the evo and try it ASAP though. Stumpjumpers are super sorted bikes straight out of the box. Great review Pinkbike.
that trail in bellingham is perfect for the evo version of the stumpy. straight lines open nice drops with smooth landings the regular stump would be much more fun to ride uphill or up and over tree roots to a tight corner that type of thing. plus the green one would still be kick ass on the trail they were doing ! but i would go for the evo because the green color just sucks so hard ha ha
I think I'd go for the normal Stumpy or for the Epic Evo... ;-) As my body is getting to old and to broken for proper DH I like to spend nice long days on the bike!!!
Can you explain those BB measurements please... 333mm vs 328mm? They seem to be only 5 millimeters apart, so small as to be insignificant? Or am I missing something?
I think both bikes are awesome! I live in TN, there's allot of SO-CALLED bike parks being built but around here AND in the surrounding area there's way more peddly stuff to have a super slacked out bike. To have the same travel, I'd shred that green bike all day AND probably have more fun!
I rented a Sentinel and went riding down at Weaver Bend (Paint Creek DH and a couple other trails) last spring, and it was one of the most miserable times on a mountain bike ever. Way too heavy and a mushy pedaller like most of the fsr type bikes. Had it been a more typical trail bike I would've had a lot more energy to have fun on the downs instead of white knuckling it as much as I did. Of course that trail wasn't really technical at all...
I agree with Levy, I do love a more playful bike that you have more fun on. I do think companies are getting a bit carried away with geo and focusing on race bikes that are great fir racing and going fast but not as good for fun.
I'm 195 cm tall and ride a Nicolai G13 in XL. That 530 mm of reach and 64,5 degree slack HTA simply opened up a new world of freedom of movement on the bike for me. #geolution
Longer bikes, longer reach....lesser need to arch your back....lesser chances of getting tired when u decide to push (sprint) in races in high gears while standing. Many people ignore this point in cycling but alot of body balance is lost when you don't keep your backbone straight. I think the Evo Mike is right....if am not wrong, the lower BB can be sorted by having a 29 in the front 27.5 in the back, crank it a 165 and may be increase the travel abit and there you go.....party is on again. And who said you ain't having fun if you are going faster??? The definition of FUN....is unique to all riders. Cheers. Very interesting video to watch 🙂👍
MO...I have two stumpjumpers HTs, and the longer one (by only about an inch or so) def feels much more stable overall...the shorter one however is easier to pop, sometimes I pop it by accident lol and the longer HT never wants to wheelie unless I want it to. Definitely understand the ideas here on Geo...I "feel" faster on the longer HT on descents, but on the shorter one feels more sketchy depending on terrain. Love both the same however, one feels like it takes more experience, but at a risk if going full throttle.
Why would I trade high speed stability for low speed climbing agility? 10 years ago I was looking at bikes and the salesman pointed me at a trek with a 69 degree head angle. I wanted something slacker but the salesman told me that 69 degrees would handle better. I told him that slack head angles handle great if you just ride faster. Ten years later and the bike industry is finally reading my mind and starting to make the products I've always wanted. I can't wait to see what 2025 brings!
motron tron As stated by standard Mike, many of us in many situations are already catered for with the market having listened to us. But as you say, there are styles and trails that evolution will be continued to for.
I ride a Pole - it's fast... it's fun...however I miss smaller geo bikes....it's agile...it's also fun... at the end of the day, comes down to what fun means to the rider......super fast and plow, or fast and poppy? On a unmentioned note - EVO would be easier to learn on due to the more "confidence inspiring" geo.
My Warden... Not the longest, or the slackest on the Shore. I chose the bike because it'll bail me out of some tight spots, but not all of them. I enjoy doing some of the work to.
Looking for feedback, just getting back into MB after about 10 years off. Right now I’m testing out bikes. So I like to have two wheels on the ground, not much into air unless the trail requires it. Love hitting chunk and riding over it and dealing with some technical stuff. Are they saying a bike like the EVO is for me?
Don’t say that, I ride my dads full squish but I wanted to step up the notch, I bought a £1750 bike and put DH components on it and it’s more playful and better for freeride
really should have had a 27.5 stumpy as well. the geo of the regular 27.5 is very different from the regular 29. all the reviewers skipped the 27.5 and haven't noticed that its geo is actually slacker and longer than the 29 without coming too close to the evo.
haven't ridden either of those, but generally i tend to agree with Levy. long n slack has a penalty on fun factor, and although on some sections i find myself pacing myself, its a penalty im willing to pay for a bike that feels poppy and fun on mellower stuff.
I was one od those who reacted like Levy when saw the Evo geometry. I was wondering who is going to buy it, who will need it? And you answered that question with this video, it depends on your local trails. But then there's another thing: specialized enduro. Could you compare stumpjumper evo against spec enduro?
Even though it is always interesting to hear tech specs and so, when you are down to compare bikes I feel you always need to show some actual riding...
For a trail bike, definitely I would choose regular one - got one already and I love it - otherwise I would choose Spez Enduro than Stumpy Evo which is a more capable bike for downhill. It looks like Specialized try to capture light enduro market with Evo?
I think it's a good point that more speed isn't always the key to more fun. Geometry wise I think it's possible to get used to different geos and once comfortable the geo isn't such a big factor
I have a Cube stereo 160 mil front/rear travel with a 66 degrees head angle and i just bought the stumpy evo which like you guys said its 63.5 degree head angle and the difference is HUGE...i bought this bike without reading about it or even testing it (like it should..i just rode it for like a minute ) And now when i saw ur video u could say that i've made a bad choice... Its too slack and too low for my taste and the terrain i ride...if only i saw this video earlier :D
I've been riding in the North East for the past couple of years. Allot of rocks, steep, very steep short uphill climbs. I ride a stumpy. I swear that North East PA is made of boulders. However, if I lived and worked someplace that had lot's of long runs of steep down hill, I may change my mind.
I live in Alberta, ride Bragg Creek area most often. Even though the slacker bike would be better going down some areas the green bike is likely best overall. Even with the aggressive down trails here the fun and climbing ability of the green seems more suited. I have an "enduro" bike, Mega Tower and I wonder what the better "second" bike would be??? What do you think? What would be my best second bike? Transition Spur or Tall Boy? J
I wonder which would be better for a novice who rides easier trails? On one hand, the Evo would be more forgiving and easier for keeping up with friends (when pointing downhill anyway.) On the other hand, the green bike would be better for learning lines and hops. What do you guys think?
Definitely the regular Stumpy. Riding a super long, slack bike can actually feel a bit awkward if you're not used to it especially on flatter terrain (even if it's downhill). The regular Stumpy is going to be easier to ride pretty much every where you describe and it's more forgiving when it comes to pedal strikes and tight corners too.
Wild Outdoor Living - Thanks! I’ve got a steep, hardtail, XC bike. I’m a climber, not a descender. But part of me wants a soft, 27.5+, forgiving bike so I can plow down, rather than having to pick my line so carefully.
I just got the Evo in the S3 29er size a couple of days ago. It doesn't feel too big, even at about 5'7". It feels very forgiving when I choose the wrong line and it is so fast when I choose the right one. It climbs like a dream, I notice almost no pedal bob in the saddle. However, the stock saddle is very uncomfortable and I will most likely get a WTB soon.
@@Ratchetdave I assume you got the new carbon evo, which has been updated quite a bit. I enjoyed my Evo while I had it but it was just not a great climber so I got a better all round trail bike (Yt Izzo). The new one seems to climb better and has a ton of adjustability. I definitely don't regret getting a 29er, I'll probably stick with them for the rest of my riding days, maybe try a mullet at some point
Great video to watch 😀 Evo suits that trail a lot more considering there are no tree logs to pedal over back to the top 😂😂 Should do a vid on POLE bike vs the Scott Ransom in same format 👍
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Its hard to say but I definitely agree with mike here
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@@ericdmochowski6079 the one on the bike dum idot!!!!!
Both bikes are rad! Who cares how you ride and what trails you ride. Buy the bike that puts a smile on your face and keeps you pedaling!
That bike just so happens to be the stump jumper comp carbon 27.5 for me =)
Just picked one up yesterday for $3600 cause its a 2019
Well said
Shhh its capitalism taking your money.
As a lanky (6' 4", with long arms and legs) I just love the new type of geometry. These bikes are the first bikes I've owned that actually fit me properly.
Agree i am 6.5 can ride for shit though, but finally they make adult bike sizes.
That's great!
Agreed. I’m 6’6” and my XXL Hightower LT feels perfect
@@beanburnham01 and that seems to me a steeper head angle bike too right
Justin Davis it’s a good middle ground geometry it seems. It’s long but not super slack.
I just realized last night that I’ve been riding my 19 evo s3 in the low position for the last three months since I bought it. I’ve never owned a bike with a flip chip, and wasn’t given a manual when I bought it. I even asked the salesman what position it was in and he said high. It’s not super obvious and it did actually look like the marks indicated the high setting. I thought the bike handled great and climbed well ect all along but it was a bit low, I live in Pennsylvania with (a lot) of climbing. I only really noticed when crossing logs ect or riding really tech climbing. After flipping the chip around it feels like a totally different bike, it handles much better and sits much higher ect. It climbs better and is all around much better for tight singletrack. The high setting addressed any little annoyance I had with it, and improved things I didn’t realize could be better. The terrain I ride in pa and wv is very similar to what they have in the northwest, and this bike definitely fits the bill when faced with steep rock drops or hills you can barley walk down all without being to much machine for regular trail duty. I don’t care much for plowing trough high speed rock gardens so have 150/140 is perfect for me, I’ve taken it off of some pretty big 6-8ft drops and it lands smoother than a house cat.
I think it's just about your riding style - if you like to go fast, no matter on what trail and precisely catch the race lines - a more aggressive geometry is the way to go. But if you like to pop, jump, manual, jibb, flick, whip and just be creative on the bike and the feature - not saying 'the trail' - (or maybe you're just riding mellower stuff) nothing beats the feeling of a (reasonable) steep and short bike.
Most people seem to prefer the first version which influences the market. That makes it harder for people who like the second version better and many of these people ride bikes that are more aggressive than they'd need.
Therefore I think it's great to see brands like Cannondale provide a more 'fun' and flickable bike with their Habit.
Levy: You have my vote!
Dude this is you and you are right. It's all about what you enjoy. I like to jump, pop off rocks and generally dick around. I'm happy with a moderate modern geometry.
I think for that you can just buy the old top of the line bikes, they depreciate fast thanks for the new trend
I took it one step further. I have owned both these bikes. Medium Carbon LT SJ with ohlins coil, 51mm 160mm lyrik and enves in low. Bought an S2 evo alloy frame and put the same components on it, I do run it in high . I like the evo better for sure. And I even think it climbs better than the standard bike because of the longer chainstays. I also dont believe that the evo is any less poppy because the linkage is (or feels) even more progressive than the standard stumpy. Furthermore the steeper seat tube compensates for the longer reach of the evo. It dosent feel crazy it doesn't do anything weird. I just feels like a better version of the standard bike. And I trail ride it locally in New England and frequent highland mountain bike park and pedal up. Rant over.
LiveFreeandShred I want to ride an Evo at Highland! Pick me, pick me!
@@jctrails well.....we can make that happen just bring a 210x50 shock
I’ve got the first Evo Carbon on the North Shore and it rocks my world. I can’t wait to try it on every trail I have ever ridden; it’s the best skill compensator I’ve ever ridden.
I trust you
Got the s3 evo. Slightly longer stem. Bb set on high is plenty of height
I poured my cereal into a cup while i was watching this
Eating out the box as i read this lol
o_O you guys don’t put the cereal in the milk carton? Weird.
BIG BRAIN
dude same lol
As Doddy says on GMBN, everyone these days has too much travel and too slack of a bike. People are over-biked and not having as much as fun they could be
100% agree. I used to own an antidote which had 170mm travel. Was like a rocket on the steep alpine downs and really poppy.........however. I dont actually live in the alps. My local rides are in the UK Derbyshire peak district where theres killer climbs full of massive rocks and roots with rocky, techy vertical decents. Back at home the antidote climbed and bobbed like a pig. Pedal strikes where every 20 seconds on the rocky climbs and I was always way behind when eventually reaching the top of the hills. Now I ride a kona process 111 (29er) with 130mm front and 110mm rear travel. Climbs decent, no petal strikes. Still goes quick on the decents and rolls over nearly everything. Much more of an all round bike and much more fun because of it. I've even taken it on uplift days on DH black runs. Yes I'm not as fast as a DH bike but I have loads of fun on it and surely having fun is the whole point of riding?
@@davidleighton5873 that's sick man! 100% agree and great choice of bike!
Agree. I actually bought a Stumpjumper comp carbon 2019 cause I liked the feel and the look of it. But its too much travel even with its 150/140 (29er version). Im def going for something like the Tallboy 4 next bike.
I came from a quite conservative Kona Process 153 to a stumpy evo and its a machine. I am way faster and having way more fun
Eddy ride a bicycle curious to hear. I have been looking at the process 153, jeffsy Comp Pro and the Evo comp carbon.
Does the evo feel better than the process even though the process has more travel?
I think it all comes down on your definition of fun: if you like to goof around, pop off of things, choose lines at slower speeds with pin point accuracy, then get the shorter bike.
If your fun consists of plowing, feeling more stable and planted and not getting airborne that much, go with the longer bike.
In an ideal world, you could ride both styles of bikes on different trails with customizable geo (flip chip, rear drop outs, anglesets, etc)
The EVO is what dreams are made of 😍😍😍
@Pinkbike Can we get a 2021 version of this video?!?
I agree with Levy. Or I’m somewhere in between the two. Most people’s bikes are way more aggressive than they could ever ride, that just means they aren’t getting the full experience.
It’s like a Miata vs a 911.
Miata you can run to its limit everyday
That makes no sense, and whats up with the "full experience" argument? Take your Miata vs 911 example for instance. Yes, most can run a Miata on its limit and some of them can't run a 911 on its limit BUT even if people only can use 70% of a 911 capability, the 911 is still faster, more fun, more exiting, more and better EVERYTHING than the Miata. Also, if you are at the limit with a Miata, you have no where to improve, your limit becomes the car itself, not YOU, whereas if you currently only can use 70% of the capability of the 911, you will learn and improve and eventually work your way up to 100% on the 911, and then the 911 is a shit-ton more fun than a crappy Miata. Same with bikes and thats why people end up with 10 bikes, because they "grow out" of them since if you are as good as your bike, you cant improve anymore, then people have to buy a bigger, faster and better bike, wasting money and resources.
How about 250 2-stroke vs 450 4-stroke for woods riding?
Picking the right tool for the majority of the ride. Why buy a bike for fast straight lines? When there are more corners and tech sections ?
@@alexthemtbr evo 29 and 250 2 stroke for fun factor
Levy yee
Definitely prefer the older geometry. It’s gone way too far. Unless you’re racing Enduro, which I do, but still ride a 65.5 HA and 445 reach and I’m 6’2”. The length of some of these bikes makes them actually hard to turn. It’s a bicycle, it needs to turn!
Both bikes are awesome but it completely depends on what terrain you’re on and what type of rider you are. I own the Stumpjumper Comp Carbon 29 and I love it. It’s poppy, playful and has nimble handling. When I go on really steep terrain I feel like I could do with a slacker bike but most of the terrain I ride is single track or less intense downhill so for me it’s perfect. One thing to note is that people with a bad lower back could have trouble with longer bikes. I always get horrific lower back ache when I ride a long bike so the conservative geometry of the regular Stumpjumper is perfect for me.
Great comparison guys!! Both are right I think, everyone likes different things. I do have the Carbon Stumpy 29er in medium, I bought it as a ST then converted it to LT. Just doing that transformed the bike, now I'm way more inclined to hit things that were hard for me before. I do miss the ST sometimes for long ride/xc days. But I try and find things that are more challenging now, LT shines there. That's why I bought the Stumpjumper, two bikes in one. Keep up the great work Mike's 👍
I would get an evo and run it in the high setting. I like a confidence inspiring bike and I like riding fast. Evo is the answer.
Owned both in comp. Love my EVO with the low bars and far reach. EVO is much more forgiving. It’s a simple choice, if you do more all mountain and climb a lot of technical trails then get the regular, but if you have easier climbs and love going downhill then pick the EVO. If you’re in southeast, EVO is great for Bakers/windrock Knoxville, windy gap in chatt, oak mtn in Birmingham, hope park Nashville
what are they like to manual?
Orlando Greer not too bad but they ain’t no bmx
I think you’re both right it’s whatever bike you feel most comfortable riding and how you ride it!
Slap some 165 mm cranks on the evo and the ground clearance really isn't all that bad. It's insane that a majority of bike companies still spec 175mm cranks on their enduro rigs. Shorter cranks let you run taller droppers too and are better for descending.
Leif Ostrum all the longer travel Spesh bikes come with 170mm cranks in all sizes now. Definitely notice the difference over my last two bikes that had 175mm
175 tends to be more comfortable going dh
How much of the difference is the air shock vs coil? It seems like a lot of the planted vs fun and poppy would come from the shock choice and tune.
Ben Bothman imo a cool feels a lot more planted and has a better response over chattery/repeated big hits, air shocks have ramp and rebound tuning which makes it really nice for flowy and pumpy trails
You are both right, no winner. I think a hard tail is more "fun" than both options, but what about (safety)? I'm getting the evo comp alloy even though I live in lower MI. But if I ever plan to travel up north or down the appellation mountains, Ill be happy I did for the primary reason that a longer, slacker bike is more SAFE on technical trails.
Love the EVO for the fact that I can take it to the bike park and still feel comfortable. Then another weekend hit my local trails!
whats it like to manual and wheelie?
Orlando Greer I’ve had the SJ LT in large, S2 Evo, and now S3. The S2 is easy to manual and wheelie IMO its a better version of the standard SJ, climbs and descends better. S3 feels much different but is more stable at speed. I keep the Evo in high mode btw.
I'm thinking EVO!!!! I ride normal trails and have to drive a few hours to get to some elevation but still prefer the slacker angles. I might even long stroke the EVO to get even more travel.
Personally I prefer a short travel bike with modern geometry, which is why I own an aggressive hardtail. You can push the suspension (or lack there of) to it's absolute limit but the geometry still asks for more. This creates a very fun bike but it's probably not very safe because of that.
The bottom line is we all need at least 2 bikes...
N+1 (N being the number of bikes you already own)
Kermit foogey 😂 I like that approach
Winner!
@@vannick4813
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I think its great that you start a conversation about it! I got the new Remedy witch is more similar to the regular stumpy and I love it! I think you have more fun on a bike that feels like a big BMX!
I have a evo and I love it, here in WNC you’re a short drive away from windrock and the trails are plenty steep, big wheels on big roots and rocks work out nicely
You horseface it yet?
I've ridden my stumpy on all the blue/black trails at Whistler and all over the trails in Alberta and even the flattest trails ever in the Prairies... It pretty much does it all for me.
Hey guys! Thanks for the video. It is cool to see a discussion....a dialogue about new and old geo. What is not so cool is again it is based on subjective feel. There are many distinct reasons for a longer slacker bike. Because it is based on physics. And can't argue physics. It is a fact.
To get the the knowledge out to the people on witch they can decide wether or not they buy new or an traditional geo. That would be very helpful. i mean...let´s talk about it....!
It's understandable that many people would say that nimbler bikes are more fun, however some people might actually find it more fun to be able to comfortably charge a bigger bike down rougher lines whereas the shorter bike would be less composed. I don't know that ones more fun than the other, they are different kinds of fun.
True. Not everyone is looking to ride on the limit of their bike, so hAving a high margin of error is really good for a lot of people.
I had a bike with more normal geometry and test rode the Evo. I immediately realized what I was missing. I wound up on a transition patrol which has similar Geo but 20mm more suspension and a much better spec. Couldn't be happier
After going from a 'lower longer slacker' at the time of release Reign in L to a Bird AM9 in XL and gaining 7 cm in wheelbase, i can honestly say longer is better. Okay, the seat tube angle is much steeper, which immensely helps the climbs, i have a longer dropper and i got a 29er, but the bike is both a frickin train rolling over everything compared to the Reign, but on the other hand i pop much more things than i did before. So i'm a much more lively rider now. And the change has occured with the bike.
Coming from a DH bike and having easy accessibility to bike parks in Colorado I’d chose the EVO I think it would make a pretty awesome park bike but I’d prefer a little more travel
I think Mike is right
You know what I want to hear more about: Performance with the seat up. Hear me out here. I went to a modern geometry bike a year ago with a dropper post and at first I kinda thought the bike sucked. It way understeered and did some weird things in the corners. I soon found out I wasn't using the dropper enough. Drop the post, suck into the bike and it rides like a dream on the downhills. However, what about the in between times, not climbing but riding fast and flowy flatter stuff? The times I want the post up and I don't want to be constantly raising an lowering the seat. In the industries effort to make the ultimate all around bike and all the criteria bikes are judged by these days, why isn't anyone talking about ride feel with the post up? Cause as a long time high poster, I feel like long low and slack geometries make bikes ride crappy with the seat up, and you gotta have that thing up sometimes.
Have to say I agree. With the rise of enduro, pedaling performance is significantly undervalued. Why else would we have 50t cogs!? Not every bike needs to be an enduro slayer. On rolling trails, like you, I find them to be less fun and kind of a pain.
So, tell us here what you want then - not only what you don’t want 😆
Funny stuff fellas. I live in Arizona, need to get up punchy climbs with tight switchbacks, I went with the standard Stumpy 29!
Both right. It's a dumb thing to even argue about. This is good as a comparison video letting people know what each bike excells at because of its geometry but should not be debated on what bike fits most people best because what's "fun" is going to be different for everyone. Some people only care about going fast and plowing down a trail as quick as possible and other like bikes to poppy and playful even if it means taking your time a little to choose the best line. Both people though are having their own fun. Doesnt matter if one climbs better or descends better. Doesnt Matter if you think one is overkill or not enough. What matters is that person is having fun on their bike and your having fun on yours.
I'm 6'1", and ride a 445mm reach bike.... Sometimes it feels too long, even though I 'should' be riding a 470-480 reach bike.... I don't go fast, but I love to hold manuals as long as possible whenever I can. I also front wheel 180 around switchback whenever possible.
Wow I don't know how you do it, I'm 176cm (I'm comparison you're like 186cm I just don't know feet) and I ride a 465 reach
"Umm, you go to those trails" - Damn right Kazimer!
I have a solid 140mm trail hardtail to handle all my local trails and isn't afraid of the odd bike park day. My FS will probably be a Status 160 for bike parks and big western descents
I have the 2022 EVO Comp on order. I was going to go with the Stumpy Comp, but I live in the PNW as well, and there are logs of chunky trails here that prefer the slacker ride with more travel.
Yeah good choice I think . Me too. Just collected the bike yesterday , 2022 EVO Expert and have not ridden it yes since the winter is back again (weather got shitted). But I am super curious and excited how that would be . I am a trail rider mainly with some attempts to try on DH sections that are available not far.. Did many enduro runs and I felt my outgoing old regular Stumpy was a limiting factor . But the geometry was from 2006, 26", so you know, I expect night and day difference.
@@MortalThe I got mine at the beginning of March. With all the rain, riding is limited, but I absolutely love it!
@@PatrickFortunatoJr Glad to hear that . Now I need to figure all the susspention settings . Which is best for my weight and liking. Did you have problems to figure yours ?
@@MortalThe I went with the settings from the site. They only show the 2021, but the settings worked well. I am going to convert to tubeless soon so I can lower my tire pressure. That should make the ride a little more cushy.
As for the geometry, I left it stock in the high position and center head tube. I might change that later to get a little more slacker.
I went from the standard SJ (L) to the S2 Evo and now on the S3, I’m 5’10”. If you’re used to “standard geo” and you’re judging by the numbers or a quick parking lot ride on a new Geo bike it’s going to seem awkward. Debatable, but I think most agree that a steeper seat tube angle is better for climbing and once that is factored in you need a slightly longer reach to keep the same seat to handle bar distance. So now that you’re more forward on the bike with more pressure on your bars it only makes sense to slacken out the head angle to keep everything centered. Of course a longer wheelbase makes the bike a little less nimble but honestly I can barely tell after a few rides and I actually prefer the gain in stability up and down.
I get the argument for those who equate agility and response of a steeper HA to fun on the trail but I’d say go watch a couple of bike fail videos and see how much fun it is endoing into rocks and trees. On the S3 it’s just an equal but different kind of fun blasting through rock gardens and sketchy terrain at high speed without the fear of going OTB. Just my experience and $.02.
why did you go from s2 to s3?
Also at that 5’10-11 mark. You recommend the S3 for size?
I'm still on a 2015 Trek Fuel EX 9.8 27.5 with "old school" geometry and I my face is beaming from ear to ear every time I hit the trails...Just ride, it doesn't matter what bike you're on...having said that I'll have green stumpy :)
i was a total newby when i bought a used 2014? stumpjumper evo and certainly the first thing i noticed was how long it was, which made tight turns really dicey or impossible to the point that i would fall on low speed tight turns. but i would agree makes it comfortable and stable in straight line speed. i also have occasional pedal strikes and am sometimes concerned about strikes to the bottom bracket. i have never ridden the more normal geometry to compare it. once i got used to my bike, i do feel like you can easily make it pop off the ground if you desire particularly with clip pedals. goes without saying, but would recommend trying each of course before a purchase.
Long bikes for racing, shorter bikes for everything else. It all comes down to fun, and a shorter bike is easier to have fun on.
I'm with levy. There's places for the Evo but everyone thinks they need it and buys one. Seen way to many people suffer on mellow trails with full enduro bro bikes. And they aren't as much fun YMMV. Having said that my choice is at least 2 bikes even if I sacrifice component spec. One enduro bike and a hardtail. Single bike stable it would be a trail bike with 130mm. Riding area is Vancouver island for reference.
i think it comes down to the debate whether to be underbiked or overbiked. A lot of the arguments that where mentioned here would also apply to a trailbike vs enduro bike discussion.
Dude I’m rocking the 2019 stumpy evo 27.5 170/150 coil fork / coil rear shock. And holy poop dude. This bike does it all. The climbing is a tad bit noticeable, but that’s where having the right gear ratio is pretty key. I’d say the bike is meant for people who are ripping. It made me faster as a rider forsure, the feeling of being planted on the ground and confident was awesome. I’ve ridden in Ashland, Moab, mammoth, Tahoe And shredding with josh bender on gnarly ohv dirt bike trails. And this bike has stoked me out so much I honestly might buy a second 27.5 frame because this thing is the love of my life
Went from a carbon enduro 170/170 to a carbon stumpy evo swapped components. As well this bike is meant to be over forked 100%
Been an XC rider since the early 90s and just got into the trail bike thing. Man what a great place bikes are in these days LOL! I bought the 2022 SJ expert and man is that bike fantastic. If you are a skilled XC rider that thing rides like the fastest couch you have ever sat on ha ha! The reason for my post is I would like to tell others my experience with the SJ. I live in an area with 3 to 4 foot drops (also as big as I am willing to go) the Stumpy will do all of this just fine. The regular stumpy can play the XC game surprisingly well too. I was shocked how well this bike climbed to be honest. I hate pedal strikes about more than anything while riding and I am happy to say in the high setting after 2 months I have had ZERO pedal strikes. I think unless you ride a lot of downhill the EVO would not be needed. After all I am riding in the high setting and this thing is glued to the trail and I could still go slacker so food for thought I guess. I still want to throw a leg over the evo and try it ASAP though. Stumpjumpers are super sorted bikes straight out of the box. Great review Pinkbike.
that trail in bellingham is perfect for the evo version of the stumpy. straight lines open nice drops with smooth landings the regular stump would be much more fun to ride uphill or up and over tree roots to a tight corner that type of thing. plus the green one would still be kick ass on the trail they were doing ! but i would go for the evo because the green color just sucks so hard ha ha
Did you guys consider the different geo setups in the Evo and try them on the demo? The versatility might be worth considering…?
I think I'd go for the normal Stumpy or for the Epic Evo... ;-) As my body is getting to old and to broken for proper DH I like to spend nice long days on the bike!!!
Can you explain those BB measurements please... 333mm vs 328mm? They seem to be only 5 millimeters apart, so small as to be insignificant? Or am I missing something?
Enjoyed this format to compare bikes rather than a usual review thanks guys :-)
I think both bikes are awesome! I live in TN, there's allot of SO-CALLED bike parks being built but around here AND in the surrounding area there's way more peddly stuff to have a super slacked out bike. To have the same travel, I'd shred that green bike all day AND probably have more fun!
I rented a Sentinel and went riding down at Weaver Bend (Paint Creek DH and a couple other trails) last spring, and it was one of the most miserable times on a mountain bike ever. Way too heavy and a mushy pedaller like most of the fsr type bikes. Had it been a more typical trail bike I would've had a lot more energy to have fun on the downs instead of white knuckling it as much as I did. Of course that trail wasn't really technical at all...
I agree with Levy, I do love a more playful bike that you have more fun on. I do think companies are getting a bit carried away with geo and focusing on race bikes that are great fir racing and going fast but not as good for fun.
Obviously both are correct in your own assertions as you both have different riding styles.
Me personally, the EVO!!
Regardless, cool, fun video.
Canyon Spectral 29 is the perfect blend of those two. Fun and stable and easy uphill peddling
Definitely the EVO 🤘
Keep shredding dudes 😎
Regular stumpy, riding beyond your comfort zone is the absolute most fun you'll have, and its easier to on this bike!
I'm 195 cm tall and ride a Nicolai G13 in XL. That 530 mm of reach and 64,5 degree slack HTA simply opened up a new world of freedom of movement on the bike for me. #geolution
All depends on location
Longer bikes, longer reach....lesser need to arch your back....lesser chances of getting tired when u decide to push (sprint) in races in high gears while standing. Many people ignore this point in cycling but alot of body balance is lost when you don't keep your backbone straight. I think the Evo Mike is right....if am not wrong, the lower BB can be sorted by having a 29 in the front 27.5 in the back, crank it a 165 and may be increase the travel abit and there you go.....party is on again. And who said you ain't having fun if you are going faster??? The definition of FUN....is unique to all riders. Cheers. Very interesting video to watch 🙂👍
MO...I have two stumpjumpers HTs, and the longer one (by only about an inch or so) def feels much more stable overall...the shorter one however is easier to pop, sometimes I pop it by accident lol and the longer HT never wants to wheelie unless I want it to. Definitely understand the ideas here on Geo...I "feel" faster on the longer HT on descents, but on the shorter one feels more sketchy depending on terrain. Love both the same however, one feels like it takes more experience, but at a risk if going full throttle.
Why would I trade high speed stability for low speed climbing agility? 10 years ago I was looking at bikes and the salesman pointed me at a trek with a 69 degree head angle. I wanted something slacker but the salesman told me that 69 degrees would handle better. I told him that slack head angles handle great if you just ride faster. Ten years later and the bike industry is finally reading my mind and starting to make the products I've always wanted. I can't wait to see what 2025 brings!
motron tron As stated by standard Mike, many of us in many situations are already catered for with the market having listened to us. But as you say, there are styles and trails that evolution will be continued to for.
All over the world, a Mike is a Mike
I think you guys should do an Intense, tracer or primer
I ride a Pole - it's fast... it's fun...however I miss smaller geo bikes....it's agile...it's also fun... at the end of the day, comes down to what fun means to the rider......super fast and plow, or fast and poppy?
On a unmentioned note - EVO would be easier to learn on due to the more "confidence inspiring" geo.
I agree with Levy but getting evo. I am 44 busy dad and you live only once! F.... K yeah!
My Warden... Not the longest, or the slackest on the Shore. I chose the bike because it'll bail me out of some tight spots, but not all of them. I enjoy doing some of the work to.
Lower, longer and slacker is the way!
The EVO is way too overkilled for a trail bike in my opinion!
Looking for feedback, just getting back into MB after about 10 years off. Right now I’m testing out bikes. So I like to have two wheels on the ground, not much into air unless the trail requires it. Love hitting chunk and riding over it and dealing with some technical stuff. Are they saying a bike like the EVO is for me?
That’s why I bought a Pivot Firebird 29. Best of both worlds.
Why am I watching this I only have a hardtail?
Don’t say that, I ride my dads full squish but I wanted to step up the notch, I bought a £1750 bike and put DH components on it and it’s more playful and better for freeride
really should have had a 27.5 stumpy as well. the geo of the regular 27.5 is very different from the regular 29. all the reviewers skipped the 27.5 and haven't noticed that its geo is actually slacker and longer than the 29 without coming too close to the evo.
haven't ridden either of those, but generally i tend to agree with Levy. long n slack has a penalty on fun factor, and although on some sections i find myself pacing myself, its a penalty im willing to pay for a bike that feels poppy and fun on mellower stuff.
Cool video, definitely gets the old noggin spinning a little.
U guys are the best ,excellent job!
I really liked the geometry of the original Enduro...2010-13?
Any advice??
Go back in time. Next question?
I was one od those who reacted like Levy when saw the Evo geometry. I was wondering who is going to buy it, who will need it? And you answered that question with this video, it depends on your local trails.
But then there's another thing: specialized enduro. Could you compare stumpjumper evo against spec enduro?
I thought the same thing. Then I built one and rode it. It does not ride how you think it would.
@@livefreeandshred9818 did you have specialized enduro before switching to stumpjumper evo?
Even though it is always interesting to hear tech specs and so, when you are down to compare bikes I feel you always need to show some actual riding...
How is the evo different from the enduro?? Theyre both slack amd very similar in geo.
66.5 vs. 63.5 head angle, not very similar.
For a trail bike, definitely I would choose regular one - got one already and I love it - otherwise I would choose Spez Enduro than Stumpy Evo which is a more capable bike for downhill. It looks like Specialized try to capture light enduro market with Evo?
You guys should do a video series where you pick a bike for an opponent and challenge them to a race!
I think that double black diamond is the most fun trail in washington
Evo with a 160 fork to fix the BB height, thats what I would do.
Thats exactly what I did. 160 fork and 165 cranks in high
I agree 100% with the guy in the white helmet. Balance is far better for the majority of us.
I think it's a good point that more speed isn't always the key to more fun. Geometry wise I think it's possible to get used to different geos and once comfortable the geo isn't such a big factor
I have a Cube stereo 160 mil front/rear travel with a 66 degrees head angle and i just bought the stumpy evo which like you guys said its 63.5 degree head angle and the difference is HUGE...i bought this bike without reading about it or even testing it (like it should..i just rode it for like a minute ) And now when i saw ur video u could say that i've made a bad choice...
Its too slack and too low for my taste and the terrain i ride...if only i saw this video earlier :D
I've been riding in the North East for the past couple of years. Allot of rocks, steep, very steep short uphill climbs. I ride a stumpy. I swear that North East PA is made of boulders. However, if I lived and worked someplace that had lot's of long runs of steep down hill, I may change my mind.
I live in Alberta, ride Bragg Creek area most often. Even though the slacker bike would be better going down some areas the green bike is likely best overall. Even with the aggressive down trails here the fun and climbing ability of the green seems more suited. I have an "enduro" bike, Mega Tower and I wonder what the better "second" bike would be??? What do you think? What would be my best second bike? Transition Spur or Tall Boy?
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Bought the 2022 expert couldn’t be happier but live near Houston pretty flat here
Mike and Mike are awesome! I'd go with the green goblin!
My local Trails are pretty gnarly but I still think I would go with the Trail bike
Really nice format. I really enjoyed that :)
Great stuff guys !!! haha made my laugh those two guys fighting !! well done Chriss too !! :)
Is it a possibility that the coil shock on the Evo plays a role in it's "dead" feel?
I wonder which would be better for a novice who rides easier trails?
On one hand, the Evo would be more forgiving and easier for keeping up with friends (when pointing downhill anyway.) On the other hand, the green bike would be better for learning lines and hops.
What do you guys think?
Definitely the regular Stumpy. Riding a super long, slack bike can actually feel a bit awkward if you're not used to it especially on flatter terrain (even if it's downhill). The regular Stumpy is going to be easier to ride pretty much every where you describe and it's more forgiving when it comes to pedal strikes and tight corners too.
Wild Outdoor Living - Thanks! I’ve got a steep, hardtail, XC bike. I’m a climber, not a descender. But part of me wants a soft, 27.5+, forgiving bike so I can plow down, rather than having to pick my line so carefully.
I just got the Evo in the S3 29er size a couple of days ago. It doesn't feel too big, even at about 5'7". It feels very forgiving when I choose the wrong line and it is so fast when I choose the right one. It climbs like a dream, I notice almost no pedal bob in the saddle. However, the stock saddle is very uncomfortable and I will most likely get a WTB soon.
Hey dude I’m just about to buy the carbon evo and was wondering if you still like the bike and have any regrets about the 29er?
@@Ratchetdave I assume you got the new carbon evo, which has been updated quite a bit. I enjoyed my Evo while I had it but it was just not a great climber so I got a better all round trail bike (Yt Izzo). The new one seems to climb better and has a ton of adjustability. I definitely don't regret getting a 29er, I'll probably stick with them for the rest of my riding days, maybe try a mullet at some point
Great video to watch 😀
Evo suits that trail a lot more considering there are no tree logs to pedal over back to the top 😂😂
Should do a vid on POLE bike vs the Scott Ransom in same format 👍