Yay! A tower guide! Please bring back this series. You used to make ultimate guides on towers but so much has changed and lots of things have hidden stats. Please bring it back
@@bunkwavi well i know im not saying that isnt the case im just pointing out even for me with my at least reasonably strong signal and connection its still fairly laggy a lot of times
Man, if it wasn't for the locked function, i wasn't going to use him very much. I hate micromanagement. I don't keep track of my mouse very often and i tend to keep track of towers upgrades very often.
I agree. That movement upgrade is just wasted. Doesn't do anything at all since the bloodns are big, move fast and you don't place them in the middle of the map because that's dumb. And the middle one is op at with the ability, even more with more accuracy.
@@yusukerizuno9442 032 gets an extra explosion, accuracy helps but dps increase is better almost always. also alch buff gives more explosions so get that as well
5-0-0 is really good for taking care of bloons, 0-5-0 is really good for Moab class bloons, and 0-0-5 is average for all. That's how I think of it. I used all of them in my own games too. It's my fav tower.
I have to admit, in BTD5 my favorite strategy was using the Dart monkey Specialty tower because of the explosive darts, then spamming the shit out of the triple darts and placing a fan club monkey every so often so I could constantly have super monkey buffs. Then the Juggernauts I used on any tough ceramics. Its a very cheap and effective strategy. Especially when you get a free dart monkey at the start and every ten rounds after.
Mad is slightly viable in chimps mode, ray of doom is completely non viable just like sun temple. It looks cool, but you will almost never use it except in freeplay
I think it is also good to note that faster swivel speed is entirely useless if you’re using the plasma accelerator because it follows the cursor automatically.
About your assessment of the cross path for the Buckshot, BADS, and BEZ upgrades, I tested this and found the top path better-popping power at a longer range while the faster shooting can deal with multiple close targets more easily as long as they're not very wide-spread. Neither path is generally better, but the top path BEZ takes out the DDTs from a BAD much more efficiently than the middle path. I tested this on easy difficulty sandbox circles map and gave each a 2-3-0 monkey village to keep it fair with a round 1 BAD with both DGs set to target independent. Also, I tested them separately to keep all variables the same.
I wish faster swivel gave it some way to direct itself (that’s not as strong as its tier 4 auto attack) Maybe something like a 30/45° angle where you could move it to catch two lanes instead of locking it onto 1
One thing I'm seeing a lot of people not mention about the rocket storm middle path (0-4-0) is that the ability actually stuns moab class balloons. the only one that doesn't get stunned is a bad. So with 2 of them, and an energizer, or 3, you could effectively keep any moabs, bfbs, ddts, and zomgs in the same place until they become balloons. Just thought I would share this little tid bit of info.
one thing to add to laser shock, is that it can stack on blimps(or i assume ceramics). im not 100% confident on how it works, but testing on Monkey Medow, a 1-0-1 dartling gets about 650ish damage on a BFB, while a 2-0-1 pops it sooner and gets about 1k if we only acount for a laser pop every second it doesnt add up to that much extra damage, yet it also is not double , so i am unsure of what exactly is going on.
Each has a weakness Ray of doom. Late game high health bloons and ddts, especially late game M.A.D. non MOAB class bloons Bloon Exclusion Zone. Leads and ddts (easily fixed)
I reaally wish the gunner wouldnt follow the mouse without any additional input. Upgrading towers not being possible without redirecting its line of fire can be really annoying imo... But ngl i was super excited to see this tower make a return. Revisited Bloon chipper next, ninja kiwi? Please?
The rocket storm ability is buffed by attack speed increases. I counted around 19 waves of rockets for the M.A.D at normal and ~44 with Alchemist and Homeland Defense. I don't have overclock/ultraboost atm since I had to make a new account, so I couldn't test that, but this is a major increase, especially next to a sub he annihilates everything. (ps. It's kinda fast so I may be off a bit, but the calculated result is close so somewhere around there. And this is at 5 pst 12/04 so it may change)
With the middle tower I find the top cross path is better than the bottom especially ability wise I tested both in the new easy ice map water Pat maxed with energized P brew, Overclock and homeland when using all abilities and then using the MAD ability it easily takes out 25 BAD balloons
Long message with my notes after testing incoming: "100=" and so on refers to the path, "->" refers to it's bonuses/mechanics after testing 100= -> +accuracy 200= -> grants shock that pops bloon after 1sec once after being hit. Shocks can be reapplied during affection for constant 1 dmg p/s -> Hitting shocked bloons with shock projectiles increase their dmg on hit by 1 (information tested and showed by Rohan S.A.) 300= -> +3 pierce/total 4 popping power -> +1 dmg -> can also pop frozen bloons now -> Shock lasts for 2 seconds now 400= -> 50 popping power and 1 damage against bloons/MOAB-class in the laser's way -> only the concentrated tip inflicts the shock, but for 5 seconds now, heavily increasing potential bloon poppage -> concentrated tip itself has a base damage of 2 against bloons, with a bonus against MOAB-class of 10 (total 12 per second without shock) -> INFO: the reason behind getting weird numbers against invincible bloons in sandbox (like using 100 or 999) is that by moving the laser around, you inflict shock onto new invincible bloons, hence getting much higher dps numbers sometimes. By using more than 50 such bloons you hit the laser's general pierce cap which seems to make the laser most of the time not count as hitting with the tip, hence only getting 50 dmg per hit without moving around (whilst using 50 or less test bloons, you get the expected 100 dmg on tip hit and 50dps from shock) :) 500= -> seems to deal 15 dmg per hit -> shock deals 5 dmg p/s now (information tested and showed by Rohan S.A.) -> has a piere cap of 1000 (testing revealed it could only hit 1000 bloons in a row with shock, but the bloon number 1001 was not affected) -> The only viable crosspath is 520, as extra pierce is just not necessary, but the atkspeed does a ton, this also counts for 4th Tier! x00 Crosspathing= -> Always go x20! 010= -> Camo Detection 020= -> 50% inc. atkspeed 030= -> rockets have 2 pierce/3 popping power per dart without dmg dealt, with mini explosions having basically 2 popping power each (in testing one rocket could only deal 6 dmg to 3 clumped bloons in 1 rocket and the dmg of 1 per explosions is guaranteed from testing too!) -> ONLY the explosion actually deals 1 dmg, the darts do not deal any dmg, however all explosions can hit the same target, even from just a single rocket 040= -> +1 pierce/+1 popping power per dart (resulting in an extra explosion) -> Grants Rocket Storm Ability, shooting extra rocket salvos for a duration (which have a stun effect with Monkey Knowledge) 050= -> harshly slowed fire rate, but deals 753 dmg against MOAB-class, however also only deals 3 damage per explosion against normal bloons -> seems to have up to 4 popping power against MOAB-class and seemingly similar bloon popping power -> Projectiles do not get used up by shooting too many normal bloons 0x0 Crosspathing: -> both crosspaths are viable, 2x0 for control and shock on dart hit, 0x2 for popping power (+1 explosion) and swivel speed -> Tier 5 does not benefit from crosspaths in terms of dps, only in terms of control 001= -> Doubles Swivel Speed 002= -> +2 pierce/popping power 003= -> heavily reduced atkspeed -> 4 dmg per bullet -> 6 bullets per shot -> 4 Popping Power per bullet 004= -> 4x atkspeed through 4 individual cannons now -> auto targeting option (first, last, close and strong automatically targeting bloons) -> having the mouse/targeting close to the tower can make each individual cannon from it aim at a different spot 005= -> 2 additional towers -> auto targeting targets an additional strong and an additional first with the new 2 cannons -> bullet count doubled (6->12) -> dmg per bullet doubled -> popping power per bullet increased by 2 (4->6) 00x Crosspathing= -> Always go 02x Testing was done in as reliable ways to get correct/precise numbers as possible (I think), but are not guaranteed to be exactly correct as mistakes can always be made from sheer testing.
The problem with your comparison of the 4-2-0 and 4-0-2 dartling guns is, that they essentially have the same popping power (as seen vs the invisible bloons) but since one has a faster tick speed it just gets to damage the bloons which come out of the Moabs earlier and therefore has higher pop count even though they have the same strength.
Just wanted to talk about something. (Semantics really) But the reason the invis bloons were so close in pop count for the 4-2-0 and the 4-0-2 is because it was 999 bloons. The actual dps in that case is the same for both (1.5 times attack speed vs 1.5 times pierce) If you are talking about neither having a maxed pierce cap (test with actual bloons) then the faster firing is better as it will damage bloons faster rather than damage more bloons (if that makes sense). The 4-0-2 couldn't reach its full dps. As for the 2-3-0 vs the 0-3-2, it seemed like the laser shocks only affected the first bloon which for blues means that each rocket will hit 3 bloons + 1 so 4 pops (per missile if the lasered bloon doesn't die before hand) which is a 33% increase in this case but could be more if considering how zebras pop into 4 bloons for example which are all shocked. As for the powerful darts, it pierced an extra bloon so 3 + 1 again which is 33% better again, however it doesn't have the laser shock ability to go through layers. as for which is better? Idk how the explosions of the Hydra work so the pierce could be better.
2/4/0 is my go to cuz it can demolish every single type of bloon 19:51 also i think only the direct hit applies the shock and not the explosion itself, thats why some dont get shocked
Fun fact: firerate buffs effect rocket storm. So if you were to true sun god buff, ultraboost, permabrew, and homeland it would spray an insane amount of rockets
21:26 This happenned during my black border chimps I did right before this video... The good thing is that it broke once I got 5th tier upgrade and I got an okayish spot that it aimed. I was able to slavage it.
i discovered the rocket storm glitch when i was xp farming gunners. I had 2 rocket storms and thought that was the issue, but i now see powerful darts make rocket storm less powerful
get 420 alch over 402 because reapply duration still takes forever and a dartling will run through 40 shots before a rebuff in no time, keep it away if you need acidic because it also gobbles that up
I think it’d be better to test things on a shorter map because you make people think towers are better than they actually are because the tracks you use are super long and even on the long tracks a lot of the towers you say are amazing actually still struggle a lot even on easy maps
@@philp3786 I’m completely fine with that I just don’t like that he kinda markets his strategies as really good strategies when they’re usually just gimmicks with lots of farms and stuff
@@TrueBliss_ yeah but that’s the thing, you have to expect that someone who only plays on long maps would claim a strategy is really good even if it only works on long maps, because that’s all the experience they have with it. Is the main reason I don’t watch much of the content, because if I watch someone play a game, I want to see them be extremely good at it
just 1 thing, the 2-x-0 is better than 0-x-2. The accuracy is so much better than just one more pierce. Either you miss like 50% of the shots and get 1 more pierce or you git 90% of the shots if not more with one less pierce
Idk kinda like 2-0-3 and 2-0-4, the spread is so big that it's hard to hit anything that isn't point blank, so you can make it's effective range a bit longer
@@Epicfellsans the tier 5 one shots moabs and kills bfbs in seconds and zomgs don't even last for 2 minutes and bads can't even get half way through the map without at getting rekt. The 2-5-0 darling is god for moab and above. 5-2-0 is good for both just not as quick but it destroys the bloons in 1 second
19:50 I think it might be because the surviving reds are being hit by the splash of the explosion and not directly by the rockets Edit: Spelling mistake
Heres all the best tier 5 paths: 5-2-0 (5-0-2 does nothing to the popping power tbh) 0-5-2 (although 2-5-0 is better at long range, but 0-5-2 is more powerful) 0-2-5 (2-0-5 has less popping power)
L is for lasers, for straight lines and camping M is for missiles, for difficulty ramping B is for Buckshot, 6 barrels stack high For you they’re a blessing, while Bloons ends are nigh
That’s what I don’t get. It seems like he doesn’t actually try to learn as much as possible before making these videos. He just looks at the basics that anybody who would use the towers for a game or two would notice and then just puts that into words
Is maxing out the last path any good? I think it is, but my friends always say I'm wasting money. If I get it right, it has higher DPS than the first path, but less range and pierce. Seems worth it imo.
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Yay! A tower guide! Please bring back this series. You used to make ultimate guides on towers but so much has changed and lots of things have hidden stats. Please bring it back
yes
I understand stats change, but at least a 2020 guide would be a bit more accurate.
@@jfkdownt could you explain? I’m not following
The series never died tbh
25:56 those yellows just ran by the buckshot perfectly. It was amazing.
*anxiety inducing
Yes lol
I was wondering if anyone else noticed 😂
it hurt me when i watched this
I didn’t know anyone else knew😂
2/4 dart gunner is cheap, OP and wrecks moabs and the ability stuns everything if you have the monkey knowledge
Ya I agree
024 or 240
@@sandesser8064 240 can destroy almost everything
@@sandesser8064 240
2 and 4 where
Quick video guide for people who want info on a specific tower tree.
Ray of doom path: 3:15
M.A.D path: 18:03
Bloon Exclusion Zone path: 25:35
Thanks
3:20 is where it starts
thank you for doing god's work.
@@JustDT851 "it ain't much but it's honest work"
BLOON. NOT BALLOON.
19:55 I know why some of the balloons aren't being shocked, when the rocket hits a balloon it shocks it but the explosion doesn't shock the balloon
What a shit upgrade
@@krowpan799 its not that its shit, its just doesn't work well with the rockets and most of the time you don't cross laser shock with rockets
co-op advice: lock or auto target your dartlings, the lag is too strong
@@bunkwavi coop is based on the host's internet and stuff
@@bunkwavi nah it just lags, i have pretty strong internet and even then it always loves to lag to shit
@@bunkwavi well i know im not saying that isnt the case im just pointing out even for me with my at least reasonably strong signal and connection its still fairly laggy a lot of times
how do you auto target
@@josh_youngboi1741 only bottom path can auto target, tier 3 i think?
You have to remember that the M.A.D is basically the 2-5-0 bomb tower but better. The M.A.D is used for MOABs only, not for regular bloons Chris,
which is really weird because the 040 dartling is pretty much the opposite
Ik and 5-2-0 does the same except long but it destroys bloons in 1 second so they are legit erased from the existence of bloons
Mad is basically 6th tier moab assasin
Man, if it wasn't for the locked function, i wasn't going to use him very much. I hate micromanagement. I don't keep track of my mouse very often and i tend to keep track of towers upgrades very often.
I agree. That movement upgrade is just wasted. Doesn't do anything at all since the bloodns are big, move fast and you don't place them in the middle of the map because that's dumb. And the middle one is op at with the ability, even more with more accuracy.
In btd5 you need to get the Ray of Doom.
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why do i want to see someone make a cake based of the bloon exclusion zone
*My next birthday was gonna be that lol*
“Bloons monkey city is the only one with lock” “Cries in BTD5 special buildings”
cri
Darling ammo dump I think I always used either that or mortar encampment
Pretty obvious that all of them benefit from Focused Firing, that increased accuracy is invaluable
Not of they are hitting the bloons sideways.
ya want 042 dartling the pierce is better than accuracy, more pierce means more explosions
@@bruh-eq1fe yeah, generally it's better. Unless you are shooting through narrower areas, pierce is a better choice.
@@yusukerizuno9442 032 gets an extra explosion, accuracy helps but dps increase is better almost always.
also alch buff gives more explosions so get that as well
Not really
The actual demographic for btd6: "cough syrup fanatics"
Did he just call his young audience lean addicts? lmao
@@iMThatOnlyBeast13 lol
@@iMThatOnlyBeast13 codeines not the only thing in cough syrup - this post was made by DXM gang
5-0-0 is really good for taking care of bloons, 0-5-0 is really good for Moab class bloons, and 0-0-5 is average for all.
That's how I think of it. I used all of them in my own games too. It's my fav tower.
The rocket storm also does more damage to MOABS as 5th tier so it's actually way more than double
I was gonna say! he should have tested it with moab bloons lol
Ya
I have to admit, in BTD5 my favorite strategy was using the Dart monkey Specialty tower because of the explosive darts, then spamming the shit out of the triple darts and placing a fan club monkey every so often so I could constantly have super monkey buffs. Then the Juggernauts I used on any tough ceramics. Its a very cheap and effective strategy. Especially when you get a free dart monkey at the start and every ten rounds after.
mad and ray of doom together just completely melts every type of bloon
btw early
Yeah
ray of doom + any good moad pop power op
Mad is slightly viable in chimps mode, ray of doom is completely non viable just like sun temple. It looks cool, but you will almost never use it except in freeplay
I have rod (ray of doom) but not the mad
Ray of doom is not nearly worth the price
I think it is also good to note that faster swivel speed is entirely useless if you’re using the plasma accelerator because it follows the cursor automatically.
But not of you plan on buying the powerful darts right afterwards.
@@flyingdutchman8371 but faster barrel spin ends up being objectively better because it’s cheaper and gives camo detection
@@Edgeperor not to mention it literally does more damage with plasma accelerator lol
in BTD 5 you could buy something for money cash that allowed you to have locked target on Dartling gunner
Yeah, In BTD5 the dartling’s specialty building upgraded to level 3 allowed you to lock it in place.
money cash?
ah yes, x2 cash multiplier
@@nox_luna Moneten
ROD does 40 damage a tick, 1000 pierce, and it's DOT does 15 damage every time it goes off.
Rocket storm is really really good as while it has a large spread, that's really good as the ability can stun moabs, bfbs, ddts, and even zombs.
"Faster Spin Barrel"...
Sounds similar to
"Buy and re-sell."
No
What do you mean?
Not at all
Think he meant how both mix up words from the phrase that makes it roll off the tongue
About your assessment of the cross path for the Buckshot, BADS, and BEZ upgrades, I tested this and found the top path better-popping power at a longer range while the faster shooting can deal with multiple close targets more easily as long as they're not very wide-spread. Neither path is generally better, but the top path BEZ takes out the DDTs from a BAD much more efficiently than the middle path. I tested this on easy difficulty sandbox circles map and gave each a 2-3-0 monkey village to keep it fair with a round 1 BAD with both DGs set to target independent. Also, I tested them separately to keep all variables the same.
i feel like rocket storm is one of the best t4 towers in the game for its cost, i've already completed a 2tc with it
I wish faster swivel gave it some way to direct itself (that’s not as strong as its tier 4 auto attack)
Maybe something like a 30/45° angle where you could move it to catch two lanes instead of locking it onto 1
One thing I'm seeing a lot of people not mention about the rocket storm middle path (0-4-0) is that the ability actually stuns moab class balloons. the only one that doesn't get stunned is a bad. So with 2 of them, and an energizer, or 3, you could effectively keep any moabs, bfbs, ddts, and zomgs in the same place until they become balloons. Just thought I would share this little tid bit of info.
one thing to add to laser shock, is that it can stack on blimps(or i assume ceramics). im not 100% confident on how it works, but testing on Monkey Medow, a 1-0-1 dartling gets about 650ish damage on a BFB, while a 2-0-1 pops it sooner and gets about 1k if we only acount for a laser pop every second it doesnt add up to that much extra damage, yet it also is not double , so i am unsure of what exactly is going on.
The extra damage per shot while the laser shock is active is going to be huge
hello chris, excited to watch this video
Very cool
Nice
at 19:53 the reason some of the red balloons dont have the effect is because only the darts apply the laser effect not the explosions
MAD and RAY OF DOOM are an Insane Combo
You could call it the "M.A.D. R.O.D."
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at 20:00 I think when the rocket hits the bloon, it laser shocks, but the explosion damage doesn't.
My favorite tower is finally back, now if only they find a way to bring bloonchipper back
NinjaKiwi Said they wouldn't
Sadly it's never coming back, they said it was too unbalanced and they regret Making the bloonchipper
@@HamudHabibi23 imagine tier 5 bloonchipper holding 3 bfbs at once lol
@@dabasil HOLY CRAP THAT WOULD BE INSANE!!!!!
Bruhhh I want bloonchipper
Each has a weakness
Ray of doom. Late game high health bloons and ddts, especially late game
M.A.D. non MOAB class bloons
Bloon Exclusion Zone. Leads and ddts (easily fixed)
I reaally wish the gunner wouldnt follow the mouse without any additional input. Upgrading towers not being possible without redirecting its line of fire can be really annoying imo...
But ngl i was super excited to see this tower make a return. Revisited Bloon chipper next, ninja kiwi? Please?
But, that would remove the entire point of the tower
Rod: good for everything, extra good on a straight line
Mad: good for Moabs
Bad: good for cleanup
The rocket storm ability is buffed by attack speed increases. I counted around 19 waves of rockets for the M.A.D at normal and ~44 with Alchemist and Homeland Defense. I don't have overclock/ultraboost atm since I had to make a new account, so I couldn't test that, but this is a major increase, especially next to a sub he annihilates everything. (ps. It's kinda fast so I may be off a bit, but the calculated result is close so somewhere around there. And this is at 5 pst 12/04 so it may change)
It may be late, but it's faster turning that breaks the rocket storm, as it gets stuck in the place the bipod faces
the laser shock not activating with the hydra rocket pods is because it doesn’t activate with the explosion, only when the middle goes through bloons
With the middle tower I find the top cross path is better than the bottom especially ability wise I tested both in the new easy ice map water Pat maxed with energized P brew, Overclock and homeland when using all abilities and then using the MAD ability it easily takes out 25 BAD balloons
Long message with my notes after testing incoming:
"100=" and so on refers to the path, "->" refers to it's bonuses/mechanics after testing
100=
-> +accuracy
200=
-> grants shock that pops bloon after 1sec once after being hit. Shocks can be reapplied during affection for constant 1 dmg p/s
-> Hitting shocked bloons with shock projectiles increase their dmg on hit by 1 (information tested and showed by Rohan S.A.)
300=
-> +3 pierce/total 4 popping power
-> +1 dmg
-> can also pop frozen bloons now
-> Shock lasts for 2 seconds now
400=
-> 50 popping power and 1 damage against bloons/MOAB-class in the laser's way
-> only the concentrated tip inflicts the shock, but for 5 seconds now, heavily increasing potential bloon poppage
-> concentrated tip itself has a base damage of 2 against bloons, with a bonus against MOAB-class of 10 (total 12 per second without shock)
-> INFO: the reason behind getting weird numbers against invincible bloons in sandbox (like using 100 or 999) is that by moving the laser
around, you inflict shock onto new invincible bloons, hence getting much higher dps numbers sometimes. By using more than 50 such bloons
you hit the laser's general pierce cap which seems to make the laser most of the time not count as hitting with the tip, hence only getting
50 dmg per hit without moving around (whilst using 50 or less test bloons, you get the expected 100 dmg on tip hit and 50dps from shock) :)
500=
-> seems to deal 15 dmg per hit
-> shock deals 5 dmg p/s now (information tested and showed by Rohan S.A.)
-> has a piere cap of 1000 (testing revealed it could only hit 1000 bloons in a row with shock, but the bloon number 1001 was not affected)
-> The only viable crosspath is 520, as extra pierce is just not necessary, but the atkspeed does a ton, this also counts for 4th Tier!
x00 Crosspathing=
-> Always go x20!
010=
-> Camo Detection
020=
-> 50% inc. atkspeed
030=
-> rockets have 2 pierce/3 popping power per dart without dmg dealt, with mini explosions having basically 2 popping power each (in testing
one rocket could only deal 6 dmg to 3 clumped bloons in 1 rocket and the dmg of 1 per explosions is guaranteed from testing too!)
-> ONLY the explosion actually deals 1 dmg, the darts do not deal any dmg, however all explosions can hit the same target, even from just
a single rocket
040=
-> +1 pierce/+1 popping power per dart (resulting in an extra explosion)
-> Grants Rocket Storm Ability, shooting extra rocket salvos for a duration (which have a stun effect with Monkey Knowledge)
050=
-> harshly slowed fire rate, but deals 753 dmg against MOAB-class, however also only deals 3 damage per explosion against normal bloons
-> seems to have up to 4 popping power against MOAB-class and seemingly similar bloon popping power
-> Projectiles do not get used up by shooting too many normal bloons
0x0 Crosspathing:
-> both crosspaths are viable, 2x0 for control and shock on dart hit, 0x2 for popping power (+1 explosion) and swivel speed
-> Tier 5 does not benefit from crosspaths in terms of dps, only in terms of control
001=
-> Doubles Swivel Speed
002=
-> +2 pierce/popping power
003=
-> heavily reduced atkspeed
-> 4 dmg per bullet
-> 6 bullets per shot
-> 4 Popping Power per bullet
004=
-> 4x atkspeed through 4 individual cannons now
-> auto targeting option (first, last, close and strong automatically targeting bloons)
-> having the mouse/targeting close to the tower can make each individual cannon from it aim at a different spot
005=
-> 2 additional towers
-> auto targeting targets an additional strong and an additional first with the new 2 cannons
-> bullet count doubled (6->12)
-> dmg per bullet doubled
-> popping power per bullet increased by 2 (4->6)
00x Crosspathing=
-> Always go 02x
Testing was done in as reliable ways to get correct/precise numbers as possible (I think), but are not guaranteed to be exactly correct as mistakes can always be made from sheer testing.
can you cover the weird plasma pile thingy from 2 lasers intersecting
It's Monkey Knowledge, all it does is apply the Plasma Accelerator's version of Laser Shock to Bloons passing over it
@@red5t653 that’s a good wisdom
2/3/0 doesnt laser shock if the explosions hit the bloons it only affects the ones that got hit by the DARTS
The problem with your comparison of the 4-2-0 and 4-0-2 dartling guns is, that they essentially have the same popping power (as seen vs the invisible bloons) but since one has a faster tick speed it just gets to damage the bloons which come out of the Moabs earlier and therefore has higher pop count even though they have the same strength.
Thanks for the guide! Was very confused on what to add to my 4th and 3rd tier farthing guns
Tier 5 sun god being the god of moke
:not able to hit camos,lead, and frozen balloons
MAD + POD is a great combo MAD for moab popping power, and prince for bloon clean up
MAD + Bloon Solver, even better
Just wanted to talk about something. (Semantics really) But the reason the invis bloons were so close in pop count for the 4-2-0 and the 4-0-2 is because it was 999 bloons. The actual dps in that case is the same for both (1.5 times attack speed vs 1.5 times pierce) If you are talking about neither having a maxed pierce cap (test with actual bloons) then the faster firing is better as it will damage bloons faster rather than damage more bloons (if that makes sense). The 4-0-2 couldn't reach its full dps.
As for the 2-3-0 vs the 0-3-2, it seemed like the laser shocks only affected the first bloon which for blues means that each rocket will hit 3 bloons + 1 so 4 pops (per missile if the lasered bloon doesn't die before hand) which is a 33% increase in this case but could be more if considering how zebras pop into 4 bloons for example which are all shocked. As for the powerful darts, it pierced an extra bloon so 3 + 1 again which is 33% better again, however it doesn't have the laser shock ability to go through layers. as for which is better? Idk how the explosions of the Hydra work so the pierce could be better.
2/4/0 is my go to cuz it can demolish every single type of bloon
19:51 also i think only the direct hit applies the shock and not the explosion itself, thats why some dont get shocked
Y’all sleep on 0:2:5 it’s amazing
Now you will experience the full power of the dart side
And here I thought I knew everything, thx chris
Fun fact: firerate buffs effect rocket storm. So if you were to true sun god buff, ultraboost, permabrew, and homeland it would spray an insane amount of rockets
21:26
This happenned during my black border chimps I did right before this video... The good thing is that it broke once I got 5th tier upgrade and I got an okayish spot that it aimed. I was able to slavage it.
i discovered the rocket storm glitch when i was xp farming gunners. I had 2 rocket storms and thought that was the issue, but i now see powerful darts make rocket storm less powerful
Glad to see the Ray of Doom get a MASSIVE UPGRADE
Can you do a 5-5-5 dartling gunner with mods?
6 lazers of MOAB destroying rockets with infinite pierce? Sign me up
YES
get 420 alch over 402 because reapply duration still takes forever and a dartling will run through 40 shots before a rebuff in no time, keep it away if you need acidic because it also gobbles that up
I think it’d be better to test things on a shorter map because you make people think towers are better than they actually are because the tracks you use are super long and even on the long tracks a lot of the towers you say are amazing actually still struggle a lot even on easy maps
Yeah but chris tends to mostly play on long, easy maps in general. He doesn’t tend to do challenges like hard maps chimps and stuff like that
@@philp3786 I’m completely fine with that I just don’t like that he kinda markets his strategies as really good strategies when they’re usually just gimmicks with lots of farms and stuff
@@TrueBliss_ yeah but that’s the thing, you have to expect that someone who only plays on long maps would claim a strategy is really good even if it only works on long maps, because that’s all the experience they have with it. Is the main reason I don’t watch much of the content, because if I watch someone play a game, I want to see them be extremely good at it
just 1 thing, the 2-x-0 is better than 0-x-2. The accuracy is so much better than just one more pierce. Either you miss like 50% of the shots and get 1 more pierce or you git 90% of the shots if not more with one less pierce
Found you channel recently... love the content keep it coming!!!!!
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It’s weird that we are so accustomed to BTD6 that focused firing isn’t like needed in most cases but back in btd5 and battles it was NECESSARY
Kinda like the upgrade that increases the mortar's accuracy.
All this time I thought it was a glitch with the Rocket Storm ability as a whole, not just when you got Powerful Darts as well.
I love your videos man. Keep up the great work!
the BAD looks like a final boss with the BEZ and the RoD as his two lackeys
fun fact in btd5 the laser cannon had 60 pierce i remember but had no frozen popping power
I tested it, and it turns out that Bloon Exclusion Zone can (almost, excluding DDTs) solo a BAD, almost as fast as MAD can.
Idk kinda like 2-0-3 and 2-0-4, the spread is so big that it's hard to hit anything that isn't point blank, so you can make it's effective range a bit longer
Also boosts damage a bit.
But, less than middle path. A bit of a shame.
MAD ability with the homeland defence buff is awesome
i love the way he uses words like beftastic
Love these in depth guides
Fun Fact: In Bloons td5 dart was my main and if you bought the house upgrades you could get lock
25:55 the fact that it missed the yellows is so impressive lmao
He forgot that each missile from the MAD's ability does 750 damage to Moab class bloons
In my opinion the hydra rockets is the best t3 ever considering power and cost
and It can pop any balloon type
@@Epicfellsans the tier 5 one shots moabs and kills bfbs in seconds and zomgs don't even last for 2 minutes and bads can't even get half way through the map without at getting rekt. The 2-5-0 darling is god for moab and above.
5-2-0 is good for both just not as quick but it destroys the bloons in 1 second
alch buff is crazy good on it as well
19:50 I think it might be because the surviving reds are being hit by the splash of the explosion and not directly by the rockets
Edit: Spelling mistake
Buckshot is better for point blank attacks because of how it shotguns out it can destroy ceramics at close range but at a far it does nothing
Fun fact the middle and bottom routes can solo round 100 on their own (but bottom route will need MIB with jungle drums)
Top can solo round 100 to ROD can solo 150
Jk but it can solo 130
Heres all the best tier 5 paths:
5-2-0 (5-0-2 does nothing to the popping power tbh)
0-5-2 (although 2-5-0 is better at long range, but 0-5-2 is more powerful)
0-2-5 (2-0-5 has less popping power)
Bottom path does nothing for damage. Adds like 150 to it's 1000 pierce in terms of ROD.
It also doesn't help middle path much from my testing.
It’s so funny at 27:05 he did a little kid voice lol
Yo jombombo you think you could make updated versions of all your other 5th tier tower videos?
Actually the reason only some Bloons get laser shocked for hydra rocket pods is because the explosion doesn't apply the effect
L is for lasers, for straight lines and camping
M is for missiles, for difficulty ramping
B is for Buckshot, 6 barrels stack high
For you they’re a blessing, while Bloons ends are nigh
When Chris doesn't realize laser shock increases damage by 1 when hitting the same target
That’s what I don’t get. It seems like he doesn’t actually try to learn as much as possible before making these videos. He just looks at the basics that anybody who would use the towers for a game or two would notice and then just puts that into words
rocket storm is broken if you have the monkey knowledge that has it stun and have five surrounding a level 14 pat
But that means it is not actually broken if it needs a bunch of support tower.
Super, on the map bazaar, gatling can for some reason shoot through the four palm trees without removing them. Please check if this is a bug?
I just got the dartling gunner today and i already have ALL of its 4th tier upgrades
Yeah, I did that too.
Yeah, I’ve been having problems with 0-4-2 rocket storm as well.
Tis a bug
The Bloon exclusion zone plus the M.A.D the exclusion get the ceramics and M.A.D recks the bfb and more
The laser shock upgrade does not stack on a bloom that’s already being affected by it so it is NOT 2x popping power it is less
Bloon exclusion zone also gets lead poping Power
congrats on 500k chris!
I just found out that the m.a.d is shooting moab eliminatior rocket
Is maxing out the last path any good? I think it is, but my friends always say I'm wasting money. If I get it right, it has higher DPS than the first path, but less range and pierce. Seems worth it imo.
Yeah if your talking about BEZ it’s glorious. I had 10mil pops in around 35-45 rounds (round 75 to whenever we died)
I use locked because it’s annoying when you’re just trying to upgrade a tower or something and he moves his attacking
32:10 He isnt turning cermaics to blues in 1 shot, its turning them into blues in 2 shots. You can tell by how some of the cermaics are damaged.
This dude has so many mistakes in his videos. Don't bother fixing him
Can't wait for the Bloon chipper to come back
You should go top path for dartling gunner as then it can pop blacks and zebras
Are you going to do a patch notes video for 22.0?
May I request hydra rocket spam for a chimps guide? It’s so strong
Dude 24k views in 8 hours!??! Stay on that grind man
Thanks! Will do!