Well said regarding the drop in turbocharger conundrum. The people that say not to use a drop in turbocharger are the same people who say not to use an S475 because it's too laggy. The reality is 99% of our customers are, as much as they may think otherwise, naive. So how do we educate our customers about the relationship between IMAP and EMAP, the relationship between SOI timing, pulsewidth and the how the amount of degrees of crankshaft angle surpassed during an injection event increases as RPM increases aka the angular frequency. And finally how all of that relates to turbine shaft speed, cylinder pressure, EGT, or anything. We have simply lost them by this point and it's one of the hardest things I think we face as calibrators or whatever we want to call ourselves; how do we educate our customers? Any tips guys?
Gale Banks has taken on a couple of these topics in recent videos but the science perhaps escapes many. I like Lavon's method of creating a context which is critical in this case. Most people are inclined to accept anecdotal evidence because it doesn't require the rigor of analysis(kind of like opinions expressed on the internet). The education end of it is a bit of a catch-22; an uneducated but impulsive customer's money spends just as well as that of someone who has done his research(maybe better) so in many instances it's more expedient to just sell the guy what he thinks he wants today than shine a light on how deep the rabbit hole goes.
Completely unbiased opinion, As a whole, the diesel community has seen more damage from tater built turbos as opposed to other manufacturers stock appearing chargers, and all the broken shafts and over speeds in the world don't make for better customer service.
I have austins 63.5/67 and its been good for almost 10k miles and stock fuel. Next year i get fuel upgrades and ill bring it down to these guys for a proper tune.
I love these guys. I've learned quite a bit watching their videos. I would love to do business with them one day. Possibly beginning with a built 68RFE and then maybe a nice turbo upgrade with some bigger injectors and then some true custom tuning.
You didn’t mention it in the video, but is Austin monitoring shaft speed and drive pressure while doing testing? Cause if not how is he learning anything useful on how to make his chargers better? If you don’t have good data you’re just guessing.
Bigger the turbo, the slower it spins. Not sure how what your saying makes sense. I agree the shafts are smaller and are more prone to rev limit or turbo "bark" but anyone can look at a Borgwarner compressor map and see that a 50mm compressor wheel can spin 167k rpm and a 73mm compressor wheel only spins 117k rpm. Its physics, cannot exceed the speed of sound by very much at the tip of the wheel, its super sonic and wont compress air any more.
As I watch these dyno vids I wish just one time I could get dyno tuning for my 6.7 I want your knowledge and experience in my tunes on my truck unfortunately now that is a dream I’ll never be able to achieve..... but I don’t want to get rid of my 6.7 for a 5.9 too attached oh the struggle !
@@jacobschillig7290 yup. Rolling coal is for assholes. That bullshit just gives the ecoterrorists known as the EPA more ammo against motorsports, and cars/trucks of all varietys.
So is it still running a t3? Stock manifold? I just got a smeding sxe369 with a t3 n my goal b4 summer is 700 750. On the 1 video I seen u guys say the t3 was holding that truck back around 600ish. I'm going to b calling u guys soon cause i got a tow master trans with billet input n wanted to see what I'll call later. But if u can answer the t3 ? I'd appreciate
@@FirepunkDiesel I’ve had good conversations with Austin Tate but he’s been building a bad rep over the years with customer service. And handling negative feedback very poorly. Funny how there is a lot of negative reviews on the fleece turbos but you never here a rep from fleece bad mouthing a customer or lashing out on Facebook to a customer. You guys don’t do it either and yet this guy will get into arguments on Facebook with customers. Says a lot about a person.
I went with the fleece drop in turbo in my 2015 Cummins and I honestly notice no different over stock. I wish I would have done a second gen swap. What do you guy recommend I do to notice something different in the turbo.
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Great info and explanation. I like the fact that you say it’s a total package that makes things work.
Some really interesting and useful info here, thanks!!
Well said regarding the drop in turbocharger conundrum. The people that say not to use a drop in turbocharger are the same people who say not to use an S475 because it's too laggy. The reality is 99% of our customers are, as much as they may think otherwise, naive. So how do we educate our customers about the relationship between IMAP and EMAP, the relationship between SOI timing, pulsewidth and the how the amount of degrees of crankshaft angle surpassed during an injection event increases as RPM increases aka the angular frequency. And finally how all of that relates to turbine shaft speed, cylinder pressure, EGT, or anything. We have simply lost them by this point and it's one of the hardest things I think we face as calibrators or whatever we want to call ourselves; how do we educate our customers? Any tips guys?
Gale Banks has taken on a couple of these topics in recent videos but the science perhaps escapes many. I like Lavon's method of creating a context which is critical in this case. Most people are inclined to accept anecdotal evidence because it doesn't require the rigor of analysis(kind of like opinions expressed on the internet). The education end of it is a bit of a catch-22; an uneducated but impulsive customer's money spends just as well as that of someone who has done his research(maybe better) so in many instances it's more expedient to just sell the guy what he thinks he wants today than shine a light on how deep the rabbit hole goes.
Completely unbiased opinion, As a whole, the diesel community has seen more damage from tater built turbos as opposed to other manufacturers stock appearing chargers, and all the broken shafts and over speeds in the world don't make for better customer service.
I have austins 63.5/67 and its been good for almost 10k miles and stock fuel. Next year i get fuel upgrades and ill bring it down to these guys for a proper tune.
I love these guys. I've learned quite a bit watching their videos. I would love to do business with them one day. Possibly beginning with a built 68RFE and then maybe a nice turbo upgrade with some bigger injectors and then some true custom tuning.
Excellent video. The internet needs this info
I run a 67/67 with stock injectors and stock head bolts... I adjust my wastegate to 40 psi... no issues so far and the turbo spools awesome.
How does that turbo do for you towing
@@lakotashook3845 I was pretty happy with it. 100-200 degrees cooler and the lag was not bad at all. But I also had only 33” tires and 3.73 gears...
Had Austin’s 63.5/68 on my 6.7 for about 12k and no problems and runs great! About to do a 2nd Gen swap 468 though to try that out
You didn’t mention it in the video, but is Austin monitoring shaft speed and drive pressure while doing testing? Cause if not how is he learning anything useful on how to make his chargers better? If you don’t have good data you’re just guessing.
Ooooh this ones gonna be a good one!! 🍿🍿
ive grenaded 2 calibrated stealth 64 turbos . first turbo in 200 miles. second 5,000 miles
Bigger the turbo, the slower it spins. Not sure how what your saying makes sense. I agree the shafts are smaller and are more prone to rev limit or turbo "bark" but anyone can look at a Borgwarner compressor map and see that a 50mm compressor wheel can spin 167k rpm and a 73mm compressor wheel only spins 117k rpm. Its physics, cannot exceed the speed of sound by very much at the tip of the wheel, its super sonic and wont compress air any more.
Awesome video!!!! Running a taterbuilt turbo on my pig also. No complaints at all! Great guy
As I watch these dyno vids I wish just one time I could get dyno tuning for my 6.7 I want your knowledge and experience in my tunes on my truck unfortunately now that is a dream I’ll never be able to achieve..... but I don’t want to get rid of my 6.7 for a 5.9 too attached oh the struggle !
Well explained Lavon !
I'm still waiting for that fire punk with get him off the Dyno and send him on the way oops you better make one for women to
I have been running a Tater built 67 turbo for 2 years now with no problems. Spools up like stock and rolls the coal easily.
Sounds like you need some better tuning
@@jacobschillig7290 yup. Rolling coal is for assholes. That bullshit just gives the ecoterrorists known as the EPA more ammo against motorsports, and cars/trucks of all varietys.
@@ks_1111 couldn't agree more. It's been proven you can make good power and spool a big charger relatively cleanly
You mean I actually have to upgrade other things and not be a cheap idiot to make these live?!? That’s just ridiculous *cue intense sarcasm*
So is it still running a t3? Stock manifold? I just got a smeding sxe369 with a t3 n my goal b4 summer is 700 750. On the 1 video I seen u guys say the t3 was holding that truck back around 600ish. I'm going to b calling u guys soon cause i got a tow master trans with billet input n wanted to see what I'll call later. But if u can answer the t3 ? I'd appreciate
What happened to the taterbuilt or Teterboom video. I saw it earlier but it's gone now
Same video, different name, people ride the negative train too much
@@FirepunkDiesel ok lol, I was just curious. Thanks for the info
@@FirepunkDiesel I’ve had good conversations with Austin Tate but he’s been building a bad rep over the years with customer service. And handling negative feedback very poorly. Funny how there is a lot of negative reviews on the fleece turbos but you never here a rep from fleece bad mouthing a customer or lashing out on Facebook to a customer. You guys don’t do it either and yet this guy will get into arguments on Facebook with customers. Says a lot about a person.
I went with the fleece drop in turbo in my 2015 Cummins and I honestly notice no different over stock. I wish I would have done a second gen swap. What do you guy recommend I do to notice something different in the turbo.
You need custom tuning. you will notice a huge difference.
I do have it turned for the turbo
Moral of the story, don’t speed it up to the danger zone and control your waste gate. Have a good setup, and make sure your trans is built
As cylinder temps increases, egt decreases.
Tater turbo here no problem 3 years
Based on your fb page, and before watching the video (3 seconds in as I type this comment), definitely BOMB with terrible customer service.
Give them a chance to make it right instead of trolling him on YT. It is never the intent of any small business to have un-happy customers.
Says some knob gobbler 6.7 cummins fan boy that probably doesn't own anything
Who has the beat drop in turbo?
Taterbuilt
Ouch😂
Egts ?
Hot, you can only flow so much exhaust through a 9cm housing