"Broken Opportunity" Pt. 1 Eliminate Snare Buzz?

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  • @mpcoleman
    @mpcoleman 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much, Bob. Because of this video, I have moved my snare drum set ups to have 12 to 16 snares at most. I will never go back to anything else. This video changed my sound so much.

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Us "old folks" are still in there waiting for you guys to take over!
    You really made laugh out loud!!
    Thanks

  • @DanielIbarcenaDrummer
    @DanielIbarcenaDrummer 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you very much, Bob. You got me out of problems with all these videos!

  • @kuebert
    @kuebert 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is easily one of the better, more informative videos on youtube....thx alot, i really like what you showed with the broken snare wires, i had no idea, im gonna go try to fix my snare right now.....

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, nothing like a early morning jolt of Inspo from a fellow drummer, especially on New Years eve. Same to you Juan.

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Kev for your heartfelt message. With the arts under fire and without sounding corny... my mission is to keep drummers drumming. It's crucial that we all put back into our industry. Thanks again!

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm really happy to hear that. Keeping drummers drumming is my philosophy. Messages like yours keep me motivated.
    Thank you! happy New Year!

  • @kuebert
    @kuebert 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    well i did what you said, originally i had a 1 broken snare wire, and all i did was pull it off and played with it again....it was a 20 strand....long story short i did what you showed in the video and she is now a beautiful 14 strand snare and no more buzz AT ALL thank you so much i recomend his method to anyone, snare buzz was making me go crazy and there is so many different methods on youtube, im glad i found the best one thanks so much you helped a ton....

  • @steven12345gerrard
    @steven12345gerrard 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Mr. Gatzen!
    This video has helped a LOT!!! I live in the Philippines and my TAMA snare was sounding terrible!!
    After watching this video, I reduced my snare wires to 16 and it sounds AMAZING!!!
    Thank You! and I am only !4 :)

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great to hear that the video series is helping drummers drum. You're very welocme 03... my pleasure

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ahhhh.... success stories make my day. Thanks for sharing that with us Matt!

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're welcome... my pleasure!
    Big thanks back to you for experimenting, sharing and posting your results on the channel. Everybody wins when we embrace this process.

  • @Strangeadio
    @Strangeadio 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @bobgatzen how can i put the snare wires and get a nice sound? i have the snare (5x14 sound percussion) tunned with a drum dial perfectly but i don't know to to put the snare wires well, what i do ?

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @yoshiskato 1. Loosen both throw-off and butt ends, but not entirely."pressure" on the straps".
    2. Place pressure to throw-off side clip while pulling the strap downwards on the butt end until the 2 clips are centered on each side of the head. Tighten butt end.
    3. Set strainer in "off" position, unscrew the tension knob until it's fully extended. Pull strap downwards into the hold-down plate, secure it with "light" tension & engage the throw-off. Release the strainer, tighten the strap down.

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's hard to put into words the feeling I experience when receiving a message like yours... thank you!
    Happy and Healthy 2010 to you Martin!

  • @jeremyandtiffany82
    @jeremyandtiffany82 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can't stand snare buzz! Ugh!! THERE IS A GOD!! WHOO HOO!! Good information for the soul Mr. Gatzen! I would've never thought about cutting my snare wires down to produce a different/better sound. Very informative! I love your tutorials here on TH-cam. I've learned so much tuning wise and just being more innovative! Thanks!

  • @Strangeadio
    @Strangeadio 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is what always i was waiting for and finally someone teach me something bob gatzen is the man

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @bamfreak249 The idea to is to increase the width of the snares without adding more wires. It works in a way depending on the length of the snare bed. Supposedly, it generates more buzz/spread than definition in sound. What brand snares and snare drum are you using?

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks J! It's good and important to know the time & energy is well spent.

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @Lazetar Thanks for passing on the info

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, the highest of all compliments... thanks Alan!

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool...great to hear that Josh... "Mistakes are ideas in Disguise"!

  • @FoxandWolfStudios
    @FoxandWolfStudios 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    soooo can i cut off some wires from my 20's? and i will not alter anything rite?

  • @03isub
    @03isub 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just started recording my kit and the buzz was making me CRAZY!! but Im super glad Im watching this 2 part video now I know what to do THANK YOU SIR

  • @drejadrums
    @drejadrums 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, Bob.
    Happy New Year!
    I wanna ask you something about snare clips. Does the different snare clips have to do with accommodating different snare beds?
    Thank you so much!

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @z2thaanko Beautiful... that's a great attitude. If every drummer embraced it there would be no SYMPATHETIC SNR BUZZ to complain about!!! Spread the word z2!!!

  • @SuperGilbs
    @SuperGilbs 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    i just want to say thank you bob i used these techniques and i completely eliminated every bit of snare drum buzz on every drum including the school concert snares my teacher thanked me profusely so i said don't thank me THANK BOB GATZEN!

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely, "Puresound" offer a 16-wire unit from the "Custom Line. I just received a message from this gentleman...
    Bob,
    "As one of your suggestions, I tried the Genera-Reso on my 13" tom which I had a lot of trouble tuning to sound, tone-wise, like the 10" and 12". Boy, am I sold on good resonant heads! It made all the difference in the world combined with the EC2 SST batters. Thanks again for your help and your great videos!"

  • @TheRealAxelFury
    @TheRealAxelFury 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    i said then and i say this again: thank you for your incredibly useful advices.

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool! The best is yet to come. We just completed a revolutionary snare design for Puresound. It will out in the first quarter of 2010. Keep you eyes open for it!

  • @huongduong2066
    @huongduong2066 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good and funny videos bring a great sense of entertainment!

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @PPanzerr Try the Guitar Centers...they ordered a ton of em!
    Hmmm....tha's unusual...are your toms mounted on the bass drum or a separate stand. Try the stand if they are BD mounted.
    Bob

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome Croatia! You very welcome. With all the bad charma we're all dealing with these days we need to hold on tightly to things that matter to us .Drums...Passion...it's a good starting point

  • @fireems343
    @fireems343 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    again as usual nice post bob, but should you not use the stock nylon strap that comes with the snares?

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's soooo good to hear today...t hanks for the pick me up!!

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the early morning inspiration best, Bob

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing your experience and info zash

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good to receive success stories...thanks M!

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for educating and enlightening us!

  • @007gumshoe
    @007gumshoe 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    subscribed...your videos are invalubable! do you know why the practice pad jo jo mayher used in his hand tec dvd is not in production? it has a rim and snare vibration but is quiet whith normal pad responce??

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    need a bit more info. What type and size snare drum and drum heads are you using?

  • @lalleflab
    @lalleflab 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is just great Bob! Thx alot!!

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could be a # of things. Without seeing the drum, does this problem persist regardless of changing the head? Have you been able to tune it correctly in the past? Can't give you a remedy without this information . I suggest replacing the head with a pre-damped head like the Evans PowerCenter-RD.

  • @just4thelolz
    @just4thelolz 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good videos Bob, I saw some brands making some unusual snare wires like straight wires and the likes and I would love to see some videos of them being tested :)

  • @Gorica2009
    @Gorica2009 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey bob. I wonder what difference would it make if you took the snare cord (cable) or whatever and running it thru the sideholes and then pulling the two ends of the cord thru the strap hole....
    Maybe the best of both worlds...
    I'm trying it out tomorrow...

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Individual cables will provide more adjustability for
    "evenness" in tension across the snare wire array. However, it is more difficult to adjust. Also, be certain to use as thin a cable as you can find.
    I just completed a innovative snare design for Puresound based on this very topic. It will be released in the 1st quarter of 2010. We just showed it at PASIC.

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    AMEN! Thanks for writing...really appreciate it Gold!

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @SimonVicFirth Thanks Simon!! In general, yes... better to spread them out in the IIIIII IIIIII pattern. A small, short snare-bed would be the only reason for the single grouping.

  • @tikidrummerpoi
    @tikidrummerpoi 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Mr. Gatzen!
    I really appreciate your videos on here and I'm currently looking at buying some of your tuning videos. I do have a question though...
    Power size toms...like...from the 80's...where they're really deep...like...does that effect the tuning method or is it about the same as todays standard toms?
    Thanks a ton for what you do so well and best wishes...

  • @Tristanrgreene11
    @Tristanrgreene11 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    your the man! keep being you!

  • @Jungleritter
    @Jungleritter 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    That´s great advice, Bob! Thanks a lot for posting this :-)

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    It varies depending on the drum and head combination. Generally 14 & 16 strand snares.

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Snare Buzz is an age old problem... I need more information... What brand snare drum, size and heads? Sending a picture of the bottom with snares mounted would be helpful.
    bob

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, I highly recommend Puresound. The 20-wire "Blasters" are great all-around choice. I'm showing them on the opening of this video.

  • @ContentsMayDiffer
    @ContentsMayDiffer 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and as always, very helpful! On a side note, I remember seeing Billy Ward saying "how do I deal with snare buzz? I make room for it." Different points of view are always good. With regards to snares in a kit setting, where do you stand on using cable instead of wire?

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks so much JP...just doing my best to keep drummers drumming!

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Practicle24 Just about every stick manufacturer matches sticks by pitch. Generally, the higher the pitch (striking a non-vibrational surface and listening the the pitch the stick itself generates) the "denser" the stick.

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Same to you dreja! Yes. I find the "curved" style clip generally making better intimate contact with the head. Like Puresound "Blasters" and Gibraltor snares. My preference are the Blasters, I like the uncoated (no chrome) snare wires

  • @JohnnyAppleBag6
    @JohnnyAppleBag6 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ahhhh. But, between the step clip and the curve clip, which will generate less snare buzz?

  • @ButteredToast32
    @ButteredToast32 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been having some problems with my snare drum for the past week or so, I'd noticed one of the snare wires had snapped off so I cut off the other end with some pliers and now it just sounds like a tin can. I dunno, one of the outer wires is kinda bent, I've tried all kinds of different tuning, it can still get a good snare sound, just with massive overtones that are far louder than the 'pop' that the snare drum makes. I need help!

  • @zash008
    @zash008 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ive been playing more than 25 years. have never had a wire break. Have noticed over time though, after a while the snares dont sound as well. When I take them off to replace them they still look ok, no obvious wire stretched more than the others, that sort of thing.Have always tended to tune my heads and snare wire tension more on the looser side than most people. I believe this also lessens the UNneeded stress on shells, lugs, heads, and the snare wires. great sound and things last longer.

  • @drejadrums
    @drejadrums 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    And, can you suggest one type of the clip for one specific design of snare bed? If the snare bed is in the shape of arc, what clip would you suggest?

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, we provide several versions of 12" snares. Best to visit the Puresound site located on Evans Drumheads on-line.

  • @z2thaanko
    @z2thaanko 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @restatetheobvious that's exactly how i feel. It's kindof cunchy without it. The buzz makes it much smoother.

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're welcome... happy to hear it helped out

  • @sp3ci4lkpo
    @sp3ci4lkpo 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Lazetar Not sure what you did in that "without" recording, but I'd recommend mic'ing the TOP of the snare drum. :)

  • @JohnnyAppleBag6
    @JohnnyAppleBag6 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    For those new Puresound snare wires, what is it that makes it different from maybe...... the blasters series snares? But if that info is on the down low i'll understand.

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Happy to help out...thanks for the comment

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're welcome...always happy to help out

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're are very welcome! Don't forget to let us know how your experiments work out.

  • @bamfreak249
    @bamfreak249 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi Bob, i am curently fixing up an old, off brand, cheap snare drum and im buying new snare wires as well as new heads and i saw a set of 20 wires that have a gap in the middle. 10 on one side 10 on the other, i was thinking about buying them .what would your opinion be on how they would sound? good? bad? would they have alot of buz? i need a profesionals opinion. thanks

  • @reallybigphilly
    @reallybigphilly 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great videos on snare wires! I recently got a custom snare but the builder gave me the wrong snare wires (I wanted puresound EQ 12 strand and he gave me a no-name 20-strand) and refused to correct his mistake. So I took the 6 middle snares out as I found 20 strands to be a little too harsh. Works like a charm... I got lots more tone this way.

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks D... my hand is rolling off my forehead,saluting you!

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good news.
    Back in the late 80's into the 90's I was hooked on e-drums. I worked for Simmons and then Dynacord doing clinics and teching for first time users on tours. Bill Bruford and were often in contact, even did some clinics together. Ground breaking stuff..It was great times!

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    To a degree, yes. When the snare head is tuned too low or too high, it will encourage snare buzz. The best all-around settings are G, Ab and A pitches.

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for writing, always a pleasure to chat

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's great to hear Dave
    We will be releasing an innovative snare design in the first quarter of 2010 that will flip you out.
    Stay tuned!! Happy new Year!

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @HolyDeth Actually that's normal... the "ringy" sustain emulates from the edges of the head that in turn excite the snare wires. The new Puresound "Custom Pro" snares are designed to decrease edge vibration to the snare wires. Best to check out the new "Snare-Ware" video.

  • @jkmino
    @jkmino 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Bob, Great video!

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @AspiringRocker729
    Snare buzz- best to check out the "Broken Opportunities" Pt.1 & 2 on the channel.
    Snare Tuning- for a low, fat tone tune the snare (reso) head to a "G" and match the batter head to the same pitch.
    Once you done that try moving the snare batter up in small increments (1/2 steps). You might discover a sound in one of the settings that tickles your fancy.
    Always best to start from scratch. Replace the heads and snares. The Puresound Blasters or new CP's are good choices.
    Bob

  • @Piclemania
    @Piclemania 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey bob, i just bought a new head for my snare, it's a remo coated emperor, i like it, but my snare rings a lot, same happened with other heads, any tips on how i can reduce the ring?

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're welcome...please let us know how the "surgitized" work out

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're welcome...always good to get good news!

  • @ramonbunny69
    @ramonbunny69 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i did this it really helps !!!:)

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Happy to hear that... you're very welcocme... always my pleasure!

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you!
    The rule is the largest & smallest diameter drums have the least amount of tuning range. This suggests "finicky" tuning where a 1/4 turn on a singe t-rod can zero the drum in. My best advice is to tap the center of the head and move each t-rod up & down by a 1/2 step until you find that magic rod that does the trick. This hold s true for both batter & reso head. Also, pick up a set of MIN-Emad muffle strips, subtle muffling that can warm up the sound.

  • @ginnorulezd00d
    @ginnorulezd00d 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey bob. how could i reduce snare buzz by tuning the drums instead of cutting the snares or muffling the drums?

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing the info Tom

  • @ginnorulezd00d
    @ginnorulezd00d 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    so G, Ab, and A are the best all around pitches for the SNARE HEAD or the SNARE DRUM?

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    An effective method to locate your favorite sound is to tune both the snare batter and reso to an an "A". Then move the batter head up in half step increments while listening closely to each setting. You'll hear the nature of the snare drum sound change each time you raise the pitch of the batter. Like this ...
    Snare side@A
    Batter@ A>Bb>B>C>Db>D>Eb>E... etc
    This technique should prove helpful

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here are "Overall" tom pitches that will get you in the ballpark. Pitches can vary depending on head type and shell construction. Remember! "Specific" pitch is muting one head while tuning the other. Overall pitch is striking the tom while mounted on the kit. 16"> B-C, 14"> D-Eb, 12"> F-Ab, 10" > C-D and the 13 is generally happy around an "E". Also, you can tune in octaves between the 14"&10@ D and the 16-12@ C
    Octaves are powerfulI use them whenever I can.

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could go both ways. I've heard heavy hitters tune their snare drum low, "tom"-like sound with loose snares and vice versa very hi-tension. a lot of crack and pop. What are you after style wise? The basic recipe is...less snares more drum sound, more snare-wires less drum.

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Less snares will provide more "crack" but with the trade-off being more drum tone relative to snare response. Personally, I like 16-wires but there are times when 24's work as well. Depends on the genre or the mood I'm in! This is why the snare drum is such a great resource, central to the kit.

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @figi332 Forgot to mention...pick up a set of the new Puresound "Custom Proi" snares...they reduce snare buzz.

  • @Midas526
    @Midas526 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Bob, I'm having some snare issues. I have a Pearl Forum, 14 inch snare with a Remo Emperor X, which is a skin I'm thinking of replacing because of playability. Anyhow, when I tune it low, the snares are buzzing excessively, and I really can't fix it. I tried tightening to the point of it being almost impossible to flip the lever to tighten the snares, and it's still buzzing like crazy. Could you give me some tips?

  • @handidrummed
    @handidrummed 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wouldn't another good option to removing the wire to just be to desolder it from the clip?

  • @Brockington_
    @Brockington_ 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you this vid helped alot I chopped my 16 strand into a 10 strand and my snare sounds amazing thank you :)

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks M. Cymbals are not something you can adjust, manipulate, customize. So I've steered clear in making suggestions on cymbals. It's about personal choice where one mans food can be another's poison.
    But your idea is good one. I'll think about a way to suggest cymbal combinations without getting into brands. Thanks for the suggestion!

  • @ContentsMayDiffer
    @ContentsMayDiffer 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree on SB as a part of the overall sound. I worry more about my own playing and overall sound than SB from the bass guitar. Thanks for the reply, I will surely be checking the news snares out!

  • @bobgatzen
    @bobgatzen  15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Strike the head lightly in the center and as quickly as possible sing the pitch. If you having trouble matching the pitch (singing) use a metronome, piano, synth, etc. If you have an Apple "iTouch" there is a "Pitchpipe" app that provides accurate pitches that you can compare to.