@@onojioboardwalk9748 The video and this comment tree is talking about John Carpenter in relation to the Halloween series. Only you brought up movies he didn't create.
The sad part is it wasn't even meant to be his magnum opus. Imagine what he could have made if it succeeded and he got to make movies with even bigger budgets with full creative control. He would have kept revolutionizing horror films, I've no doubt at all.
@@oophorror2251 You're joking, right? I mean, yes, everything which came prior to a filmmaker's work usually holds influence, but what Carpenter achieved with essentially zero resources is nothing short of a miracle. Beyond that, his music alone trumps the fact that other directors don't do that because they can't. It is what it is.
I love this channel so much, especially the way you discuss filmmakers flaws and failures in a way that's respectful and hopeful for their future success. Thanks for all the amazing videos and keep up the great work!
I'd love to see a Genghis Khan film done right. He's one of the most iconic historical figures in history, and yet Hollywood has done nothing to adapt that legacy. So if the guy who wrote Apocalypse Now and directed Conan the Barbarian wants to make it, Hollywood should definitely allow him to do so. Either way, I hope Milius is recovering and doing well. 👍
A Genghis Khan movie is also something I've wanted to see for a while. I enjoyed Marco Polo and got something of a fix from that, but that's obviously post-Genghis. If anyone can get it right in the US, it's gonna be Milius.
The Thing got released at the wrong time. If it was released after Alien, I think it would have more success, but after ET and 3° encounters, it was a bad ideia. Reminds me of Peter Jackson The Frighteners, an amazing movie released in the wrong time. It was clearly an October movie, not a summer blockbuster.
Yup. It was released on the same day as Blade Runner and sandwiched between multiple movies that summer in 1982 like ET, the Wrath of Khan, and Tron. It was a perfect storm of terrible timing. If it was released maybe a year earlier, it could've done solid business.
Aside from Dogma and Chasing Amy, I’m not the hugest fan of Kevin Smith’s work, but I could listen to him talk all day. He is wildly charismatic and has some fantastic stories and opinions.
@@williamj.dovejr.8613Literally only the first show was bad and it wasn't even his fault the newest one he just did revolution is not only rated extremely well critically and with audiences but it's shorter. The reason revelation sucked was the fault of Netflix. I don't think it's ok he blamed the fandom but the difference is he ended up acknowledging it sucked later and told people not to clap for him because he knew it was bad and so did the fans when fans clapped for him at comic-con he also has written some absolutely phenomenal comic book runs like some of the best like his Daredevil run and bionic man and woman
How about making a list of underrated/lesser known good movies? You've mentioned a couple like Blow Out and Gattaca that I didn't know about, that I am now planning on watching!
Excellent idea, and it's underway! Ideally, I'd like to have one for each decade going back to the 60s or so. Working on the 2010s one right now, mostly movies that: 1. Didn't make much at the box office. 2. Didn't get much awards appreciation (I figure if a movie got nominated for Best Picture or something, it's not very underrated).
Gattaca is a cool movie. I've watched it two or three times over the years and have always found it an interesting watch. If you like intelligent sci-fi, it's definitely recommended.
Holy Molly, just discovered Andrew Nicoll is the director of some of my favorite movies, my fav director of this list now. Have you considered making videos about directors' styles?
That's an interesting suggestion, and I would consider it. How would you envision it? Like going into commonalities between a directors movies i.e. what kind of auteur they are?
As usual, I appreciate the different topics in your videos and how they highlight certain films or directors I'm unfamiliar with. The John Carpenter situation is a real shame, as he's talented in multiple areas of the creative field. I would've loved to see what his filmography would have been in the 2000s and 2010s if The Thing had a better initial reception and box office. Also, shout out to Gattaca. I haven't seen that film in years since college, but to this day, it is one of the most compelling and thought-provoking sci-fi films I've ever seen.
I'm not sure his output in the 2000s and 2010s had much to do with The Thing underperforming. He made some of his best films after The Thing, especially Big Trouble in Little China and They Live. If anything, what killed his output in the 21st century was the failure of Ghosts of Mars.
Another intresting example is John Woo, after coming to hollywood in the 90s he made some really big hits but since he has made either bombs or straight to streaming movies. It’s kinda a shame tbh because he has made some pretty great stuff and I hope he makes a comeback
Face/Off was an amazing action movie that did well in all respects, critically and commercially. It's a shame he was never able to replicate that success. His Mission: Impossible film is the most divisive in the entire franchise and Paycheck was just bland. More recently, I did enjoy Silent Night fairly well but it was too insubstantial to be called a return to form.
@@parth5k I can't say that I saw that one. I do know that he returned to China after pretty much washing out of Hollywood but I haven't seen any of his films since then. I have heard Red Cliff is good.
The Thing was easily John Carpenter's best and a personal favorite of mine while Friedkin's Sorcerer is a masterpiece that is on my personal top 3. It's insane to think those two films were critically panned upon their initial release.
The times change very quickly, don't they? If The Thing was released a year or two earlier, I think it could've done very well. Sorcerer, maybe, should've been named something else, especially after The Exorcist.
@@Syntopikon Sorcerer should have definitely been named something else. I think that's part of the issue. The other part was that the 1st third of the film was in subtitles which also threw off American audiences. Personally i felt it added to the realism of the film. Another thing that probably deterred American audiences was that the main protagonists were either career criminals or terrorists, again something I loved but I can see how people were put off by it. All in all like the Thing and Heaven's Gate, Sorcerer is finally getting the respect and audience it deserves. As said it is in my top 3 of all time and that's not changing anytime soon.
It pains me that Francis Ford Coppola is (rightfully) mentioned in this video. The Godfather is my favorite movie ever. I wish he could capture lightning in a bottle just one more time.
I remember seeing The Thing the first week it was released. I thought it was the best sci-fi horror film I'd ever seen. Then the critical hammering began and all I could think was, "Did you see the same film I did?"
I can't believe it. I always recommend john carpenters "The Thing" to anyone who mentions horror films. I saw it as an adult and had a nightmare that night because of how well the effects were.
The Thing stood out to me as a future classic as I gripped the arms of my seat at the cinema back in 1982. To this day I consider it an almost perfect film. Meanwhile the worst motion picture to grace the silver screen has gone on to be rewarded with riches. One was accused of being vomit inducing, the other genuinely brought me to the brink of a schmaltzy, saccharine induced stomach purge.
I guarantee Beau is Afraid (2023) is another film that'll receive a cult following 20 years into the future, it was a masterpiece that tragically underperformed and was met with a lot of cinematic illiterates calling it "boring"
If The Thing was released a little earlier - maybe a year - I think it could've done decent business. But that summer was wickedly packed with sci-fi classics. Blade Runner came out the same day and it fell on its face, too.
@@RussellB I think he's referring to E.T. (1982) which I agree is a sloppy, boring cheesy schmaltz fest, scared the hell out of me when I was a kid too.
Milius also made the excellent TV movie/mini series ROUGH RIDERS. It's terrific. Dillinger and The Wind and the Lion are also vastly underrated. Carpenter did some great work after The Thing: Christine, Starman, Big Trouble in Little China, They Live and Prince of Darkness are all great. Michael Cimino's Heaven's Gate, the 3.75 hour version, is a flawed masterpiece. Year of the Dragon is a fantastic gangster movie. Billy Friedkin's To Live and Die in LA is terrific. De Palma made some great movies that bombed: Blow Out, Casualties of War, Carlito's Way.
I personally think John Carpenter's career only ran its course by the end of the 80s, after They Live. Up until that point, he's still putting out interesting stuff, even though they may not have been commercially successful, Starman (which I prefer to E.T.) and Big Trouble in Little China being prime examples.
I think part of it might've been a confidence thing, which some of us might underestimate. He tried hard to make it in Hollywood and when he was on the cusp, it jut kind of slipped away. Still, I think he might have one or two flicks left in him.
Bogdanovich's film version of Noises Off was really fun even with the cop out ending. Sure, it makes the most sense as a play for obvious reasons, but it's a solid little comedy.
Milius might complain that his political beliefs got him banned. But then again, Clint Eastwood, not exactly a liberal icon, is still making movies, two of which won Oscars for Best Picture.
One thing Eastwood did that Milius never did was establish a long term relationship with a studio - in this case, Warner Bros. I think their relationship goes back like 50 years, and that goes a long way in the business. Also, Eastwood is less iconoclastic, which Milius seems to have no issue with being.
I think another substantial one is roger avary. He co-wrote and worked with a lot of tarantino films, and they still are very good friends, but following rules of attraction and killing Zoe he was incarcerated. His latest film, lucky day is described as a post pulp fiction trashy flick. Weird how someone can be on the same track as their co-workers but then just absolutely fumble what they were building in the industry
Yeah, Avary is an interesting case. I think part of it is because Tarantino - at least what I got from the book "Rebels on the Backlot" - preferred to keep the attention on him, so Avary got lost in the mix. I think if he had more significant co-credits - and the crash hadn't happened - things could've gone his way.
The thing with KS i fell is that he was just a guy from Jersey with something to say. After moving to LA with time he became just a holywood fake person with nothing . Just a shadows of the past.
It's not uncommon that extremely successful directors scale back and have less hits because they just direct less, because financially they don't need to. I think Milius was always a much better writer than director, and Cimino was never a great director, though he was a great cinematographer. In John Carpenter's case, , it was always going to be almost impossible to top Halloween. Looking back at reviews of The Thing, it's hard to believe these people got paid to review movies, because they seemed absolutely clueless. The Thing is one of the best films ever made.
All of Carpenter's films were successful. It just so happens that Halloween was exceptionally successful. Measuring everything else against that movie skews the curve.
De Palma is perhaps the most striking example to me. A few years ago I watched his most recent film Domino and it was shockingly bad. It was so hard to believe that that film was made by the same guy who made films like Scarface, The Untouchables and Mission: Impossible. I just can't make sense of it. It's like sometimes very skilled directors just forget how to make a movie. There is no clear explanation for it, as far as I can tell. As for Carpenter, The Thing may not have been a critical or commercial hit, but it was a great movie and he actually made my two favorite films of his after that: Big Trouble in Little China and They Live. Really, for Carpenter, if there was one film that was the career killer it was Ghosts of Mars.
According to Del Palma, the producers of the film didn't leave him alone during the entire production and, during the post production, he wasn't allow to make his own cut. So I don't believe he should be blame for the end result. Let's hope that he gets another shot to show his talent.
@jimgarcia9824 I can certainly believe that there was some studio interference there, which is unfortunate, but I can't believe that the studio is entirely to blame for the results. There is so much about that film that is just bad.
@@oophorror2251 People bring up the "disastrous" rough cut screening of _Star Wars_ (1977) and how he criticised it so. What they always leave out is what the criticisms he made were. They were things like "What's all this 'Force' shit; and where's the blood when people get shot?".
Carpenter's Prince of Darkness was a real stinker. Hard to believe it made money but Starman, Big Trouble, They Live and especially The Thing did not. After Kevin Smith's lying about the massive bait and switch in his rebooted He Man series, will anyone trust him again?
The thing has was a cult classic and had a remake too. During the 1980s, alien films were generally more lighthearted, so it didn't stand a chance at the box office with Steven Spielberg movies. However, after its home release on VHS, it began to gain recognition and is now considered a masterpiece. Unfortunately, John Carpenter movie was release at the wrong time... I would watch the Thing a least once a year either on TV or streaming
4:11 I watched Nyby's The Thing from Another World (1951) for Halloween 2024 and it was a really boring, mediocre creature feature with no substance behind it, he's probably jealous that The Thing (1982) actually has something to say about the human condition, it's characters are well written and despite the film's slow pace, it's never boring. there's a reason nobody remembers Nyby's The Thing.
Carpenter's work on "Skin Deep" alone deserves more attention and respect from moviegoers, "critics", and artists in general. And yeah... what OTHER director does their own music, writing, and has a huge hand in the EFX? Cameron's work is close, but he had no hand in music and far larger budgets.
Cameron's way deep on the tech side, though, so I think it kind of equals out. Very few Renaissance men like Carpenter, though. And not just doing the music, but putting out perhaps one of the most memorable musical themes ever with Halloween.
@@Syntopikon There's absolutely no question that Cameron had access to BONKLOADS more money than did Carpenter. That's the primary difference; it always is. Only the wealthy can win. There are few to no exceptions. And to be clear, I freakin' enjoyed Cameron's work on T1, T2, The Abyss (one of my favorite films), Titanic, etc. I'm not dogging him. I'm simply stating that Carpenter was (clearly) dealt a negative hand on 90% or more of his projects. But that's how it is when you're someone like Carpenter. And I won't elaborate, because I feel PRECISELY the same as he does about corporate boolsheet.
I was unaware of that - I apologies for my tone. I was honestly only trying to help - but if people are confused than I understand. 🎉 thank you - not sure why you keep blocking my comments though?!
so feel showing and saying it, you then need to highlight it again by saying “quote?” “And quote” - I guess you do think we are morons then? …But hey, I was just trying to help. Thanks for the clarification. - and you stopped me replying? Wow - I’m outta here.
No he didn’t. John Milius wrote him a ten or fifteen page monologue and Shaw cut it down because he told Spielberg there’s no way he’d be able to memorize it all. Of course not, he was always drunk. Spielberg and Milius both verified this in the John Milius documentary available on TH-cam for free.
Most of the time you say “quote” “end quote” you dont need to say that as you show the written quote or you actually say “so and so said” then you say “Quote” if you’ve actually shown us the quote, or told us someone siad something,to then start and finish a quote by saying “Quiote/End Qote” is slightly demeaning, and to hear it 20 times in an ep, is slightly of annoying. Please trust that we the viewers are pretty savvy. Thanks again for the episode - I’m really enjoying the channel. 🎉🎉
It's responsible to clearly delineate your quotes verbally, regardless of whether you show the quote on the screen or not. This is Journalism 101 kind of stuff.
so feel showing and saying it, you then need to highlight it again by saying “quote?” “And quote” - I guess you do think we are morons then? …But hey, I was just trying to help. Thanks for the clarification. - and you stopped me replying? Wow - I’m outta here.
The quote/end-quote is more because people sometimes comment they can't understand what I'm saying and if going to be quoting someone, I'd like others to be able to read the words so it doesn't seem like I'm misquoting or misinterpreting them.
The Thing ruining his career is crazy. An actual masterpiece
Yup. But at the time, people wanted sci-fi in the vein of ET/Star Wars.
@@Syntopikon 'Halloween' outside of the first movie is GARBAGE. ALL of those sequels, dont even kid or lie to yourself. +
@@onojioboardwalk9748 John Carpenter only directed the first Halloween movie genius.
@@caldera11 .. The other movies were a w f u l, and i pointed that out already. Lord knows what else your unable to see or unaware of, kiddo. +
@@onojioboardwalk9748 The video and this comment tree is talking about John Carpenter in relation to the Halloween series. Only you brought up movies he didn't create.
John Carpenter hits the hardest for me. He revolutionized horror, and it’s just tragic how his magnum opus is what killed his prominence.
The sad part is it wasn't even meant to be his magnum opus. Imagine what he could have made if it succeeded and he got to make movies with even bigger budgets with full creative control. He would have kept revolutionizing horror films, I've no doubt at all.
How did he revolutionize horror? Texas Chainsaw Massacre influenced Halloween, Friday the 13th, and Evil Dead.
@@oophorror2251 You're joking, right? I mean, yes, everything which came prior to a filmmaker's work usually holds influence, but what Carpenter achieved with essentially zero resources is nothing short of a miracle. Beyond that, his music alone trumps the fact that other directors don't do that because they can't. It is what it is.
I hate to say it but it's siskel and eberts fault. I miss those guys but they had more power than they intentionally wielded.
I love this channel so much, especially the way you discuss filmmakers flaws and failures in a way that's respectful and hopeful for their future success. Thanks for all the amazing videos and keep up the great work!
I appreciate the kind words! Thanks for pointing out the respectful part - I’ve made a concentrated effort to do that and I’m glad you noticed it.
I truly admire your videos, can you make more about the modern Hollywood directors and screenwriters please? Like from 2000s and above, Thank you
Superb, as always
I'd love to see a Genghis Khan film done right. He's one of the most iconic historical figures in history, and yet Hollywood has done nothing to adapt that legacy. So if the guy who wrote Apocalypse Now and directed Conan the Barbarian wants to make it, Hollywood should definitely allow him to do so. Either way, I hope Milius is recovering and doing well. 👍
There is a good one but not from Hollywood and only covers the beginning of Gengis Kahn tale.
@samuelcrows Really! What's it called?
A Genghis Khan movie is also something I've wanted to see for a while. I enjoyed Marco Polo and got something of a fix from that, but that's obviously post-Genghis. If anyone can get it right in the US, it's gonna be Milius.
@Skaiser_Wilhelm7938 Mongol, is from 2008 by Sergei Bodrov.
He was a monster.
The Thing got released at the wrong time. If it was released after Alien, I think it would have more success, but after ET and 3° encounters, it was a bad ideia. Reminds me of Peter Jackson The Frighteners, an amazing movie released in the wrong time. It was clearly an October movie, not a summer blockbuster.
Yup. It was released on the same day as Blade Runner and sandwiched between multiple movies that summer in 1982 like ET, the Wrath of Khan, and Tron. It was a perfect storm of terrible timing. If it was released maybe a year earlier, it could've done solid business.
I use to feel bad for Kevin Smith, but in recent years, after getting to see his more annoying personality, my sympathy for him has waned.
I guess this is a case-by-case thing. I've listened to every episode of Smodcast, so I guess his personality kind of jives with me.
Aside from Dogma and Chasing Amy, I’m not the hugest fan of Kevin Smith’s work, but I could listen to him talk all day. He is wildly charismatic and has some fantastic stories and opinions.
He drank the woke Kool aid, ruined the He Man mythology and then insulted the fandom... not a big league move.
@@williamj.dovejr.8613Literally only the first show was bad and it wasn't even his fault the newest one he just did revolution is not only rated extremely well critically and with audiences but it's shorter. The reason revelation sucked was the fault of Netflix. I don't think it's ok he blamed the fandom but the difference is he ended up acknowledging it sucked later and told people not to clap for him because he knew it was bad and so did the fans when fans clapped for him at comic-con he also has written some absolutely phenomenal comic book runs like some of the best like his Daredevil run and bionic man and woman
How about making a list of underrated/lesser known good movies? You've mentioned a couple like Blow Out and Gattaca that I didn't know about, that I am now planning on watching!
Excellent idea, and it's underway! Ideally, I'd like to have one for each decade going back to the 60s or so. Working on the 2010s one right now, mostly movies that:
1. Didn't make much at the box office.
2. Didn't get much awards appreciation (I figure if a movie got nominated for Best Picture or something, it's not very underrated).
Gattaca is a cool movie. I've watched it two or three times over the years and have always found it an interesting watch. If you like intelligent sci-fi, it's definitely recommended.
Holy Molly, just discovered Andrew Nicoll is the director of some of my favorite movies, my fav director of this list now. Have you considered making videos about directors' styles?
That's an interesting suggestion, and I would consider it. How would you envision it? Like going into commonalities between a directors movies i.e. what kind of auteur they are?
@Syntopikon exactly, elements common to their movies, being narrative, camera angles, tones, themes, etc. to see what kind of art is of them.
As usual, I appreciate the different topics in your videos and how they highlight certain films or directors I'm unfamiliar with.
The John Carpenter situation is a real shame, as he's talented in multiple areas of the creative field. I would've loved to see what his filmography would have been in the 2000s and 2010s if The Thing had a better initial reception and box office. Also, shout out to Gattaca. I haven't seen that film in years since college, but to this day, it is one of the most compelling and thought-provoking sci-fi films I've ever seen.
I'm not sure his output in the 2000s and 2010s had much to do with The Thing underperforming. He made some of his best films after The Thing, especially Big Trouble in Little China and They Live. If anything, what killed his output in the 21st century was the failure of Ghosts of Mars.
Another intresting example is John Woo, after coming to hollywood in the 90s he made some really big hits but since he has made either bombs or straight to streaming movies. It’s kinda a shame tbh because he has made some pretty great stuff and I hope he makes a comeback
Face/Off was an amazing action movie that did well in all respects, critically and commercially. It's a shame he was never able to replicate that success. His Mission: Impossible film is the most divisive in the entire franchise and Paycheck was just bland. More recently, I did enjoy Silent Night fairly well but it was too insubstantial to be called a return to form.
@ I also really liked silent night, but his new remake of his old movie the killer was pretty disappointing
@@parth5k I can't say that I saw that one. I do know that he returned to China after pretty much washing out of Hollywood but I haven't seen any of his films since then. I have heard Red Cliff is good.
@@sorenpxJohn Woo’s Hong Kong Films are better than his American ones
Imagine being punished for making a masterpiece. That sucks man.
The Thing was easily John Carpenter's best and a personal favorite of mine while Friedkin's Sorcerer is a masterpiece that is on my personal top 3. It's insane to think those two films were critically panned upon their initial release.
The times change very quickly, don't they? If The Thing was released a year or two earlier, I think it could've done very well. Sorcerer, maybe, should've been named something else, especially after The Exorcist.
@@Syntopikon Sorcerer should have definitely been named something else. I think that's part of the issue. The other part was that the 1st third of the film was in subtitles which also threw off American audiences. Personally i felt it added to the realism of the film. Another thing that probably deterred American audiences was that the main protagonists were either career criminals or terrorists, again something I loved but I can see how people were put off by it. All in all like the Thing and Heaven's Gate, Sorcerer is finally getting the respect and audience it deserves. As said it is in my top 3 of all time and that's not changing anytime soon.
John Milius and John Carpenter are The Man
It pains me that Francis Ford Coppola is (rightfully) mentioned in this video. The Godfather is my favorite movie ever. I wish he could capture lightning in a bottle just one more time.
@@steve.santiago well now that megalopolis is released and his final film, yeah that’s never going happen haha movie was terrible
He said he wants to do one more, so who knows lol
I remember seeing The Thing the first week it was released. I thought it was the best sci-fi horror film I'd ever seen. Then the critical hammering began and all I could think was, "Did you see the same film I did?"
I can't believe it. I always recommend john carpenters "The Thing" to anyone who mentions horror films. I saw it as an adult and had a nightmare that night because of how well the effects were.
It's insane how John Carpenter's The Thing was a box office bomb and critically panned.
Happens to many great films (some of Kubrick's works, The Night of the Hunter, Fight Club, etc.)
The fact that The Thing, one of the greatest sci-fi horror blends of all time, was a major flop is insane.
Same with Blade Runner, which I vastly prefer by the way, but I love both!!
Yup. ET, released just a few weeks prior, really changed the prevailing tune.
The Thing stood out to me as a future classic as I gripped the arms of my seat at the cinema back in 1982. To this day I consider it an almost perfect film. Meanwhile the worst motion picture to grace the silver screen has gone on to be rewarded with riches. One was accused of being vomit inducing, the other genuinely brought me to the brink of a schmaltzy, saccharine induced stomach purge.
I guarantee Beau is Afraid (2023) is another film that'll receive a cult following 20 years into the future, it was a masterpiece that tragically underperformed and was met with a lot of cinematic illiterates calling it "boring"
If The Thing was released a little earlier - maybe a year - I think it could've done decent business. But that summer was wickedly packed with sci-fi classics. Blade Runner came out the same day and it fell on its face, too.
so what movie are you talking about?
@@RussellB I think he's referring to E.T. (1982) which I agree is a sloppy, boring cheesy schmaltz fest, scared the hell out of me when I was a kid too.
@@RussellB Probably ET. Came out the same year, and "saccharine" has been used to describe it.
0:35 John Carpenter's filmography is celebrated. Even if he never makes another movie again, he has still attained LEGEND's status.
Yup. Dude pumped out classic after classic.
I still think Christine is a lot better than people give it credit for. Best King adaptation all time.
It’s a shame Sorcerer wasn’t a success one of the single greatest films I’ve seen.
Thats why its important for directors to give the general public what they want if they dont they don't have any business having a career in showbiz
So directors should keep releasing complete slop?
I know it’s a business but cmon take some risks
Milius also made the excellent TV movie/mini series ROUGH RIDERS. It's terrific. Dillinger and The Wind and the Lion are also vastly underrated.
Carpenter did some great work after The Thing: Christine, Starman, Big Trouble in Little China, They Live and Prince of Darkness are all great.
Michael Cimino's Heaven's Gate, the 3.75 hour version, is a flawed masterpiece. Year of the Dragon is a fantastic gangster movie.
Billy Friedkin's To Live and Die in LA is terrific.
De Palma made some great movies that bombed: Blow Out, Casualties of War, Carlito's Way.
I personally think John Carpenter's career only ran its course by the end of the 80s, after They Live. Up until that point, he's still putting out interesting stuff, even though they may not have been commercially successful, Starman (which I prefer to E.T.) and Big Trouble in Little China being prime examples.
I think part of it might've been a confidence thing, which some of us might underestimate. He tried hard to make it in Hollywood and when he was on the cusp, it jut kind of slipped away. Still, I think he might have one or two flicks left in him.
Bogdanovich's film version of Noises Off was really fun even with the cop out ending. Sure, it makes the most sense as a play for obvious reasons, but it's a solid little comedy.
Always loved the use of Genghis Khan's quote in Conan, Milius could've made a awesome Genghis Khan movie
Yup. I hope he gets it made.
Milius might complain that his political beliefs got him banned. But then again, Clint Eastwood, not exactly a liberal icon, is still making movies, two of which won Oscars for Best Picture.
One thing Eastwood did that Milius never did was establish a long term relationship with a studio - in this case, Warner Bros. I think their relationship goes back like 50 years, and that goes a long way in the business. Also, Eastwood is less iconoclastic, which Milius seems to have no issue with being.
You totally skipped over Peter Bogdanovich finishing The Other Side of the Wind (2018) from Orson Wells.
I think another substantial one is roger avary. He co-wrote and worked with a lot of tarantino films, and they still are very good friends, but following rules of attraction and killing Zoe he was incarcerated. His latest film, lucky day is described as a post pulp fiction trashy flick.
Weird how someone can be on the same track as their co-workers but then just absolutely fumble what they were building in the industry
Yeah, Avary is an interesting case. I think part of it is because Tarantino - at least what I got from the book "Rebels on the Backlot" - preferred to keep the attention on him, so Avary got lost in the mix. I think if he had more significant co-credits - and the crash hadn't happened - things could've gone his way.
John Carpenter is an amazing director!
Kevin Smith was never meant for big crowd pleasing movies. I like that he makes unique stuff
The thing with KS i fell is that he was just a guy from Jersey with something to say. After moving to LA with time he became just a holywood fake person with nothing . Just a shadows of the past.
It's not uncommon that extremely successful directors scale back and have less hits because they just direct less, because financially they don't need to. I think Milius was always a much better writer than director, and Cimino was never a great director, though he was a great cinematographer. In John Carpenter's case, , it was always going to be almost impossible to top Halloween. Looking back at reviews of The Thing, it's hard to believe these people got paid to review movies, because they seemed absolutely clueless. The Thing is one of the best films ever made.
All of Carpenter's films were successful. It just so happens that Halloween was exceptionally successful. Measuring everything else against that movie skews the curve.
De Palma is perhaps the most striking example to me. A few years ago I watched his most recent film Domino and it was shockingly bad. It was so hard to believe that that film was made by the same guy who made films like Scarface, The Untouchables and Mission: Impossible. I just can't make sense of it. It's like sometimes very skilled directors just forget how to make a movie. There is no clear explanation for it, as far as I can tell.
As for Carpenter, The Thing may not have been a critical or commercial hit, but it was a great movie and he actually made my two favorite films of his after that: Big Trouble in Little China and They Live. Really, for Carpenter, if there was one film that was the career killer it was Ghosts of Mars.
According to Del Palma, the producers of the film didn't leave him alone during the entire production and, during the post production, he wasn't allow to make his own cut. So I don't believe he should be blame for the end result. Let's hope that he gets another shot to show his talent.
@jimgarcia9824 I can certainly believe that there was some studio interference there, which is unfortunate, but I can't believe that the studio is entirely to blame for the results. There is so much about that film that is just bad.
He’s always been like that. Raising Cane is atrocious. A lot of his original screenplay movies stink.
@@oophorror2251 People bring up the "disastrous" rough cut screening of _Star Wars_ (1977) and how he criticised it so. What they always leave out is what the criticisms he made were. They were things like "What's all this 'Force' shit; and where's the blood when people get shot?".
Yo the title is messed up man
What about Robert Altman and Martin Scorsese?
Scorsese, somehow, seems to be going apace. Altman could fit, though Gosford Park was a strong showing.
❤Gattaca
I wanted to be a director but I've given up on that dream does that count?
Oof
😬 Take James Cameron's advice: record something, slap your name on it as "Directed by:" and bam, you're a director. Dream achieved.
Carpenter's Prince of Darkness was a real stinker. Hard to believe it made money but Starman, Big Trouble, They Live and especially The Thing did not. After Kevin Smith's lying about the massive bait and switch in his rebooted He Man series, will anyone trust him again?
Carpenter makes one of the best movies ever made and career ends. That is bonkers. He was too ahead of his time.
There's a shocking number of careers that ended up not going the way actors/directors wanted after they hit it big.
The thing has was a cult classic and had a remake too. During the 1980s, alien films were generally more lighthearted, so it didn't stand a chance at the box office with Steven Spielberg movies. However, after its home release on VHS, it began to gain recognition and is now considered a masterpiece. Unfortunately, John Carpenter movie was release at the wrong time... I would watch the Thing a least once a year either on TV or streaming
4:11 I watched Nyby's The Thing from Another World (1951) for Halloween 2024 and it was a really boring, mediocre creature feature with no substance behind it, he's probably jealous that The Thing (1982) actually has something to say about the human condition, it's characters are well written and despite the film's slow pace, it's never boring. there's a reason nobody remembers Nyby's The Thing.
Carpenter's work on "Skin Deep" alone deserves more attention and respect from moviegoers, "critics", and artists in general.
And yeah... what OTHER director does their own music, writing, and has a huge hand in the EFX? Cameron's work is close, but he had no hand in music and far larger budgets.
Cameron's way deep on the tech side, though, so I think it kind of equals out. Very few Renaissance men like Carpenter, though. And not just doing the music, but putting out perhaps one of the most memorable musical themes ever with Halloween.
@@Syntopikon There's absolutely no question that Cameron had access to BONKLOADS more money than did Carpenter. That's the primary difference; it always is. Only the wealthy can win. There are few to no exceptions.
And to be clear, I freakin' enjoyed Cameron's work on T1, T2, The Abyss (one of my favorite films), Titanic, etc. I'm not dogging him. I'm simply stating that Carpenter was (clearly) dealt a negative hand on 90% or more of his projects. But that's how it is when you're someone like Carpenter. And I won't elaborate, because I feel PRECISELY the same as he does about corporate boolsheet.
it's a real shame Kevin Smith sold out, it's really put me off from watching his films.
I was unaware of that - I apologies for my tone. I was honestly only trying to help - but if people are confused than I understand. 🎉 thank you - not sure why you keep blocking my comments though?!
Dude you commented like 4 times maybe that why
@ I commented once, he replied I went to reply and he had blocked my reply. So if you look I posted again to reply.
You gotta add spoilers alert man
There weren’t any spoilers wdym
so feel showing and saying it, you then need to highlight it again by saying “quote?” “And quote” - I guess you do think we are morons then? …But hey, I was just trying to help. Thanks for the clarification. - and you stopped me replying? Wow - I’m outta here.
Ummm Robert Shaw wrote the Indianapolis monologue!!! This common knowledge.
No he didn’t. John Milius wrote him a ten or fifteen page monologue and Shaw cut it down because he told Spielberg there’s no way he’d be able to memorize it all. Of course not, he was always drunk. Spielberg and Milius both verified this in the John Milius documentary available on TH-cam for free.
Most of the time you say “quote” “end quote” you dont need to say that as you show the written quote or you actually say “so and so said” then you say “Quote” if you’ve actually shown us the quote, or told us someone siad something,to then start and finish a quote by saying “Quiote/End Qote” is slightly demeaning, and to hear it 20 times in an ep, is slightly of annoying. Please trust that we the viewers are pretty savvy. Thanks again for the episode - I’m really enjoying the channel. 🎉🎉
It's responsible to clearly delineate your quotes verbally, regardless of whether you show the quote on the screen or not. This is Journalism 101 kind of stuff.
so feel showing and saying it, you then need to highlight it again by saying “quote?” “And quote” - I guess you do think we are morons then? …But hey, I was just trying to help. Thanks for the clarification. - and you stopped me replying? Wow - I’m outta here.
The quote/end-quote is more because people sometimes comment they can't understand what I'm saying and if going to be quoting someone, I'd like others to be able to read the words so it doesn't seem like I'm misquoting or misinterpreting them.