A Look at The Way of the Warrior (Deep Space Nine)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- Opinionated DS9 Episode Guide looks at the relaunch, it's The Way of the Warrior. The Klingons show up and start getting rowdy, so Sisko brings in Worf to try to prevent trouble. This ends with the Klingons attacking the station.
Garak isn't the kind to press charges. He is the kind to resolve the situation himself. And make it look like an accident.
Hmm now that you mention it, considering how important Martok would be in the show, we never do see his son again after this episode…
@@myriadmediamusings Not technically canon, but he did appear in the books. IIRC he was killed by the Kinshaya, forcing General Klag of the Gorkon to lead a retaliatory strike for honor.
@@lynngreen7978 Any chance the Kinshaya happened to get a bunch of free well-tailored clothes shortly before they killed him...?
you must admit, this is way more civilized! ;)
@@dupersuper1938 Probably not. Though they did get some Romulan Cloaking Devices and Breen weapons systems.
"The Klingon calls Sisko's bluff" - he made the mistake of believing a man who poisons planets bluffs.
Love that rootbeer scene. It also plays into the comparison between the borg and the federation
Classic, arguably peak Trek of this era. It's a great look of how the UFP & its Starfleet are seen by individuals outside of it.
Additionally, as the UFP and its Starfleet has largely been written as an allegory of the United States 🇺🇸, it can be argued that this scene could be seen as a reflection of how the nation saw itself in the post-20th Century Cold War, pre-GWoT/911, era; and by extension how those outside of the United States saw the unipolar status of that era.
@@Jalu3 And shows how stupid a stance it is, edgy I'm 14 and this is deep, is the Federation/USA evil? No it isn't perfect but better than Russia/China/Aliens that will eat your children and enslave you
Breaks my immersion. I can’t accept that any advanced society would ever have root beer as it’s preferred beverage.
That stuff tastes like fizzy mouthwash. Terrible.
@@zephyr8072New head cannon: people on 24th century earth drink root beer sometimes because its unique unpleasantness is a novelty to them.
@@zephyr8072 Well I think Quark only called it a human drink, not a drink of the Federation or Starfleet. It just represented how they felt about it. Vile, too sweet, and addictive.
The "5000 Torpedoes" exchange is a call back to the Pilot, where Kira claims the station is heavily armed, using [Treknobabble] to fake it. Here, Sisko claims they are heavily armed and the Klingons think he's bluffing, using the same Treknobabble to fake it. Only... DS9 really had been upgraded and can stand off the Klingon fleet.
Michael Dorn liked how Worf is characterized in this episode commenting: "With the destruction of the Enterprise, Worf's world is gone. That's an interesting acting choice for any actor. You've got to play a guy who's just lost. Before, he had his comrades around him, at least he was on the best ship in the galaxy, and he had the opportunity to fight and be honorable. But DS9 is like a station in Alaska or something. He doesn't consider it a punishment, but it's not the choicest assignment, either. I think he brings a lot of different things we definitely haven't seen yet. It's all very exciting."
Something interesting that colors the rest of the entire series: They keep using blood screenings to test for changlings. No blood screening ever catches an actual changeling at any point in the entire series - they're all false positives and later confirmed changelings are not identified even when tested. And it all starts right here, with Martok introducing Sisko and Kira to the idea of a blood screening - cut your hand, see if the blood stays blood.
So in this scene, Martok is a changeling...
brilliant.
Exactly, i wondered the same thing. The test failed.
Kind of makes you wonder why the Dominion bothered with open war in the first place. Their infiltration ability was clearly something the Alpha Quadrant powers had no counter for, so why not try and bring them down from within?
@@magnusprime962 They originally planned for that, but the wormhole granting across to the Alpha Quadrant early changed their timeline.
Sounds like a subtle reference to John Carpenter's THE THING.
Whatever the real world reason for Brooks’ haircut, it inadvertently works for the character and his change in style parallels Sisko’s growth. He started sporting the goatee around when it was clear Sisko had become comfortable and in control over his role on the station and the surrounding politics, and by the time he takes on the full Hawk look he’s moved from a sometimes passive reactor to the situation around him to someone capable of driving events forwards instead. Season 1 Sisko would have waited for orders before confronting the Klingons, season 4 Sisko wouldn’t hesitate to go charging to the rescue even knowing it could lead to a war.
This episode is a great reminder about how awesome of a character Worf is, how greeat of an actor Dorn is, and how great of a show DS9 was.
Dorn doesn't get the credit he deserves. Because a lot of the time he's playing the comic relief character or his character is in fish out of water humorous scenes. To be able to be funny while being intimidating and a warrior character must be very difficult to pull off
@@laurarules3642 I'd say Shaxx pulls it off, but he's a character whose writers are acutely aware of Trek. Its behind the scenes history, its stories, and its tropes. Also, while still funny, they've been leaning more towards him as a serious character. Sure, he's in comedic situations, and he's got a real freaky love interest, but it feels like they play him straight as a badass more than use him directly as a punchline. And basically never as a punching bag.
Little did we know that the real reason Worf returned to DS9 is because he couldn’t get enough of the liquid polymer-tasting pasta al fiorella from last time.
ROFL🤣
And then was disappointed that Chief O'Brien finally fixed the replicator
It’s fine he settled for the cellular peptide cake with mint frosting.
I guess Riker never made any more of those nasty eggs.
@@Nickelodeon81 Probably not. Culinary Prime Directive and all. Good thing Neelix was way over in the Delta Quadrant. 😛
"The Sisko has come....choose the form of your destructor"
"Executed in diagrace for cowardice, or ... the Sisko?
Yeah... Ill be back after I change my underwear"
"Make Cardassia Grey Again" - So BAD! I'm laughing so hard!
Debris' commentary in his videos does not get enough direct credit honestly 😂 just great script writing, many a top notch one-liner. Deserves more views , no doubt about it.
Side note 'Make Cardassia Great Again' caps would be a hit ST merch item hahahaha
@@joshydarrochgrey again. ;)
34:49 : Strangely enough, in Picard Season 3, Worf helps support why Klingons like to fight with pointy sharp metal instead of guns with one phrase: "Swords are fun!" 😂
I don't think that we ever heard about Martok's son again. It is difficult to imagine the real Martok raising such a jackass
Depends on how much they interacted vs how much influence his mother had. I can absolutely see her raising a son like this.
@@magnusprime962I agree as Martok's wife was a total snob who as Jadzia pointed out was related to people who just adopted the titles rather than the ones who originally held them.
So I can totally see her raising a son who would bank on his father's reputation and position to intimidate opponents rather than his own skills since Worf kicks his ass fairly easily with little effort.
Speaking of that scene.
The Klingon that Worf intimidates after picking up Drex's D'k tahg looks abit like Rene aka Odo in Klingon makeup.
Granted we she that later in the show and while it's most likely another actor.
It would be cool if Rene decided to do it for fun.
Scrunching up his face so it looks grizzled and worn to see if anyone recognises him.
What would be more fun is if he did it for fun and no one told the rest of the cast.
As I said, it's no doubt someone else.
But just something in the face made me double take.
Rewatched DS9 a few years ago and I took psychic damage when Dukat spoke of the alliance with the Dominion “making Cardassia strong again.”
Dukat 2024
@@zephyr8072 One thing Dukat has over Dump Truck, he’s dead.
M.A.S.A.
Paramount initially didn't want Sisko to go bald because they didn't want two Star Trek leads to be bald. That was why he got to go bald after TNG ended.
Where'd you hear that? Multiple sources have said it was because they didn't want him looking like Hawk. In the DS9 documentary "What We Left Behind" the president of Paramount TV at the time DS9 was on said they didn't want their captain looking too "street".
I always found it amusing how Green Lantern John Stewart did the same thing, and just like Sisko, his character got a lot cooler afterward.
@@KairuHakubiquestion is who did it first character wise.
Granted the change in the JLU cartoon happened a long time after.
But what about in the comics?
We know Avery had been pushing for it and the show runners didn't want him looking like a previous character he played in another show.
But I'm wondering if John Stewart aka Green Lantern made the change in the comic before Paramount finally gave in on the show.
Also because there is already a very well known bald captain.
This is the Root Beer episode? Interesting.
That was an interesting episode. Really like the prune juice analogy. However when it comes to the changeling blood stuff I instantly had doubts about changelings not being able to weasel their way around this test by storing fake blood in their blob and bleeding that for the show...
It would be hilarious if they tested changeling Martok's blood and found it to be concentrated prune juice.
I didn't like that they put Michael Dorn's name in the opening credits ... in the first episode of the new season. It really was a spoiler both for this episode, and for the new season as a whole!
of all the dumbass things modern shows do, skipping the intro on new shows / seasons where it would be a spoiler is one improvement.
I agree on that one as it spoils the surprise.
Though what I hate more is when a show doesn't list the actors names based on the characters importance in the show.
Like if Gates McFadden aka Dr Crusher had her name shown ahead of Jonathan Frakes despite less important than Riker since he's is way more scenes in the show.
Atleast Star Trek shows always listed the cast based on the positions with Kira following Sisko and Chakotay following Janeway.
This is such a great episode. The build-up and the payoff. Amongst all the strengths this episode had, there were some notable guests and regular guests. It gives it a sense of continuity rather than the 'alien of the week' of the ship shows. As well as having a great sense of humour you really have a creative and enlightening way of looking at things. When you explained the concept of honour, I couldn't help but think about Lennier from Babylon 5. How would the two men compare?
As someone who drinks a lot of root beer, I have to agree with Quark's assessment of it. 🤣
As someone who has tasted root beer I fully agree with Weyoun that Earth should be sterilised for the good of all.
brand of choice?
Usually I'd call out any scene where they need blood and slice their palms to get it (don't do that in real life; it hurts like a bitch, takes forever to heal, and hobbles a very necessary part of human function); but they have borderline magic healing light thingies, so I'll let it slide.
palms are a pain to heal but they still heal faster than like 90% of the body, I could think of worse places.
@@KairuHakubiI think the hobbling part comes from the fact it would be very difficult to hold something due to the expanding and contracting of the skin when you open and close your hand making it as useless as a broken arm leaving you one handed while it heals.
This two-parter is where DS9 peaked for me 😊
As someone who only saw the actor in DS9 as Sisko I always thought he looked better bald with a beard, similar how I thought about John Stewart in the Justice League cartoon.
As I mentioned in another post.
I wonder which character did it first as we know the JL cartoon came out long after DS9 had finished.
But what about the JL comics?
@@DarkLordDiablos Good question indeed. Looked around but so far came up with nothing.
"One of these men is happy go lucky, and the other is counting the number of ways he can kill you using only his pen... AND SCIENCE!"
LOL!
7:30 "Star power is almost never a negative"
*clutches her Andromeda reviews in her fist and cries*
In your defence, Kevin Sorbet fell off when he started leaning HARD into his faith.
@@BobNinjaCat In partial defense of Mr Sherbet, he did have a couple strokes in the late 90s and neurological damage sometimes never heals.
@@Arikayx13 This is true. Hell, Mike Tyson spent a career getting punched in the head and the guy is clearly struggling some days to keep his brain on-track.
@@Arikayx13 reports from the sets are that he was already absolutely insufferable by the end of Hercules.
Sorbo was always insufferably arrogant but something did change after his strokes, he became far more mean spirited and vicious according to some former friends.
Of course it's Jamie Heinemann who is the happy go lucky chappie.
This episode was great when it first aired, and is still great.
A Galaxy class ship that fires Defiants? What is the ships name? I wanna know
Ultra Defiant?
@@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 was thinking Sisko's pimp hand
Starbase 84.
The idea reminds me of a picture I saw a while back of a SW ISD that was built around a Death Star that had hangers large enough to launch normal ISD's like fighters.
Granted the Starfleet vessel wouldn't be as large since the Defiant is way smaller than a ISD.
But the sight of such a massive vessel would be immense as it would be anywhere between 2000-5000m in length, width and height.
Granted atleast in the Star Trek universe.
Something that size would be classified as a warp capable mobile base rather than a starship.
Where as in Star Wars it wouldn't be out of the ordinary.
At the time, i felt that they were setting up Yates to be a changeling.
I've been told that what Dax says to Worf in Klingon when they first met roughly translates to "Yes, but I have better legs."
I wonder how the changeling Martok passed the blood test. Maybe like Sisko's father once suggested?
A galaxy class ship that fires Defiants? How awesome would that be? 😅
Our time has come, get ready fight
Sisters and brothers in metal unite
The dreams that you had are about to come true
The voice of the warrior is calling for you
Turn your own deeds to his gracious glory
And he will make you see
we want it to be
(This is the way) of the warrior
(This is the way) we want it to be
(Walking the way) the honest will see
(Walking the way) of the warrior
(Walking the way) the way of the warrior
Yes it sounds better in the original Klingon
Probably sound more metal in Mando’a.
Leeta (from B5) showed up to smack Leeta (from DS9) around but didn't get her chance cause she got all blowed up.
I always felt the end result would be the Klingons joining the Federation and the rebirth of the MACOs for most of the Klingons to serve in.
*Blowing up Bajor for instance.*
“Who’s idea is this? It’s terrible.”
“It was Abrahms’”
“Abrahms! You’re fired! Let’s hope that guy never gets in a position of power over Star Trek.”
You're wrong about the thing with Lancelot. The entire Lancelot-Gwenyvere romance was from the Arabic notion of courtly love, with the Crusaders brought back with them. Part of it is that courtly love is love that cannot be consummated, but still survive. Lancelot and Gwenyvere were in love, but their honor meant they could not consummate that love.
People consider season 4 to be the high water mark for the show? The show got continually better towards the end as it got more serialized IMO. I can't see how the Klingon-Cardassian War was better than the Dominion War which dominated the later seasons of the show.
I somewhat see where you're coming from because why season 4 was hold so high was a question I used to ask. The answer is simple: Season 4 doesn’t have any truly bad episodes.
Season 7 did fall off greatly with too miuch emphasis on fakey Bajoran religion, fire demons, Dukat degenerating into a cartoon character and an obnoxiously bad Frank Sinatra impersonator.
So yes it did peak long before.
Interesting look at Klingon honor... I have to re-watch this episode. As funny it may sound it remind me of current political situation in the world. And I always liked Worf who is written better on DS9 that he was written on TNG.
8:45 I am choosing to believe that Jamie is the happy-go-lucky one.
At 18:50 you say that this Martok is the changeling. But... this is the first time that the Klingons head into the Gamma quadrant to take on the Dominion, right?
So the Martok in this episode is the real one, and this action by the Klingons is when he gets captured. The Martok that comes _back_ from this is the Changeling.
What makes you think the Changlings had to wait for Klingons to come to the Delta Quadrant? They could replace him at any time. Also the real Martok when we meet him confirms he’s never met Worf, so this one is definitely the shape shifter.
Benjamin “mine’s bigger” Sisko
Great episode.
If DS9 is akin to the Foreign Legion then Star Fleet in general is akin to the 1800s British military.
Actually, must disagree about the bald Sisko. Hawk was an iconic character, and his bald head and goatee were a part of that. Even three years later, I found it distracting, kind of like "Look! Hawk joined Starfleet!" So yes, I think the decision to have Sisko look different at first made sense. But I'm glad they finally let him look the way he wanted to. I'm not normally fond of shaved heads, but Avery Brooks really made it work.
The spiel about directions of honors was difficult for me to follow. I kept thinking about what diagonal honor would look like.
I see SFDebris concurs on the idea of making the Galaxy into a carrier.
Just replace the saucer with a hanger and attached essentials. Maybe park a few lightyears back form the battle.
I wonder if part of it was so folks didn’t think baldness was a requirement following Jean Luc
As few and far between the Quark and Garak scenes were, I can count the number of times Worf and Kira directly interacted on one hand. That feels like wasted potential. I remember Nana Visitor fearing Kira might be written out of the show when Worf came on, but that's no reason the two of them couldn't have had more screen time. She's his superior officer, how would Worf feel about serving under a terrorist?
Where did you get the background you are using in the video?
One reason why the rateing were low was the Internet was getting big at the time.
Actually the son of martok would probably feel better with worf as his brother. An older brother after all is meant to keep the younger one's in their place.
Since Martok made Worf his blood brother by having him join his House, he would be like an uncle. An uncle who beat the tar out of Martok's son in a fight, so it would be apropos. Especially among Klingons.
Maybe they didn't want another bald Captain.
I have always wondered if this Martok was the changeling why did his blood did not revert to a gelatinous state when he did the blood letting in front of Sisko and Kira.
Sisko's father refused a blood test offering that a Changeling could just keep a bottle of real blood up his sleeve and produce it on demand. This Martok could have done something similar.
Prune juice. Lots of prune juice.
Because as mentioned elsewhere in these comments, the Changeling test suggested by a Changeling _doesn't work._
Honestly, given how the Klingon's behave I'm shocked this didn't happen sooner. It's like with the Mandalorians, it's kind of hard to maintain peace with barbarians whose culture is hardwired for war to the extent it is.
Except eventually, the non-warrior Mandalorians got sick of that and banished everyone who wanted to keep up the old ways to the moon.
And set into motion a chain of events that has reduced Mandalore to a pale shadow of what it once was.
Technically it did happen earlier in Yesterday’s Enterprise.
While that timeline was averted it does give the Klingons a bit of a “well what have you done for me lately?” type of personality.
I was wondering if this was the real Martok or not, and Chuck answered that. Which, with hindsight, gives some deeper meaning to his actions here.
Edit: I forgot to say, I LOVE the Root Beer Scene. It's funny and insightful to see how outsiders view the Federation. Just because Humans say and do nice things, doesn't mean other species see it that way.
Consider the Federation as presented in the first season of _TNG._ A more self-righteous bunch you could not find. One suspects that their commitment to the Klingon alliance is mostly an attempted challenge run; "Can we achieve a diplomatic victory while allied to the most warlike alien race in the galaxy?"
The United Federation of Planets: Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
@@boobah5643 that is quite true. Season 1 TNG Federation was quite the self righteous and pompous bunch
🤦🏻♂️ Avery Brooks was neither asked to cut his hair because of another role nor because he’s „to scary“ as a black man, he was asked because they didn’t want to have bald men in the leading role of both there concurrently running shows. Which he was allowed to shave his head the microsecond TNG wasn’t on the air any more and Voyager became to concurrently running show. 🙄 but of course is must be racism, mustn’t it?
In fairness I think the Bryan Cranston example (as well as the sesame street and mythbusters examples) were to show that it wasn't necessarily racism.
That being said my first thought was also "they didn't want two bald captains" or Commander in the case of Sisko when the show started.
Why on Earth would it matter in anyone's world would it matter if you had two shows with the leads being bald?! You genuinely think something as ridiculous as that is a more plausible explanation than racism?! What planet are you from?
@@NorybDrol82 Executives are stupid.
@@moffxanatos6376yeah. Making the leap that the video is claiming racism goes against what is actually said in the video. Regardless, goatee wearing Sisko, like bearded Riker, is an upgrade.
Note they way a fair bit of thought went into this story, they worried about viewer numbers and did what they could to improve things. Compare to modern trek where no one cares about the story and they put in obnoxious woke stuff so when people fall into the trap of complaining about that rather than the staggeringly poor characterisation and plotting they can be denounced as *ists and *phobes.
What drvgs were you on when you filmed this? You called season 1 of DS9 the best 1st season of 90's Trek when in reality it was hands down and without debate the WORST 1st season of a Trek show ever!!
TNGs first season is so infamous that fans trying to get into Star Trek are often advised to avoid it. You can’t get much worse than that.
@@starwarsnerd100I mean, yeah, the rep is terribly undeserved though, season 2 of TNG is a dumpster fire but season 1 is actually pretty good, it's still the 2nd weakest of the four 90's era shows (possibly tied with Enterprise) but nothing in th entire history of Star Trek is anywhere close to being as terrible as season 1 of DS9, and I say this both as a huge fan of DS9 overall and as someone who watched them all both when they came out AND recently (this year) rewatched all 4 of the 90's series
To each their own, of course, but most Star Trek fans, when comparing first seasons of Trek shows, will usually rank DS9's above all shows but Strange New Worlds and possibly TOS.
That being said, if you love TNG season one, good for you. It isn't as bad as people say, no, but it isn't nearly as good as the rest of the show. But that's also because the rest of the show was so great.
@@st.anselmsfire3547of course it's not as great as seasons 3-6 but season 1 of TNG is nowhere near as bad as s1 of DS9 which is so poorly written and poorly acted that it's basically unwatchable, and let me say it again: DS9 is my favorite of all Star Trek series overall but it only got good starting in season 4, there were like 2 good episodes in season 1 and a few good episodes in season 2 and season 3 but the majority of the first 3 seasons were terrible and season 1 is the worst Star Trek ever made
@@xp8969 I duuno... the yare all bad, but DS9 has a few good episodes that are lacking in the others. Duet on its own is beter than all TNG season 1 combined
You just earned a sub with that take on sisko's hair