The Zip22 is a fascinating gun because the creator intended for it to be an incredibly safe gun and accidentally made an Incredibly Unsafe gun. Forgotten Weapons has a great video on it.
I know it's Forgotten Weapons but watching that episode makes me think of that clip Scott uses in Kentucky Ballistics, playing on repeat: 'You got jammed', 'You got jammed', 'You got jammed', 'You got jammed', 'You got jammed'...
well, what really kneecapped it was that it misfires on every third shot, which H3VR sadly cannot reproduce, because it does not have weapon malfunctions.
@@AntonHandAnton! What a surprise to see you in comments of the video lol. I loved that .410 level action from Meatmas! How's work on the next update going?
If you read the marketing material for the gun it was supposed to be underslung on an AR then to be used as a last ditch or New York Reload. The owner of the company just wanted a gun under his gun so he didn't have to reload so much. I'm still not convinced it wasn't some sort of tax dodge scheme.
@@narr0wm1nd49 According to the Forgotten Weapons video, the owner ran his firearms company as basically a hobby, always willing to indulge his eccentric whims. They were known for making the best single action army replicas, until they sold the toolings for SAAs in order to make the Zip. Then they were going to make a ton of money, then buy better toolings. Instead they went under.
@@bookreaderman6715 He has been recording the H3 footage since last year's April's Fool episode, where he debuted the Shadow in the dev log the same day, with apologies to Jonathan.
7:10 "The whole thing retracts when you stab somebody which is off-putting" A guy getting stabbed: "Okay the bayonet is bad enough but the barrel moving is just weirding me out."
IIRC from Ian's video, non-rotary magazines simply don't feed fast enough to keep up with the bolt. After every round he fired from an extended magazine, it jammed the next round into its own casing.
He'd be geeking out and let the sosigs surround him, and be telling them all about the guns he's holding, before he puts mustard on everything...and eats his way out of trouble.
@@ArifRWinandar That would be awesome, I live near Royal Armouries and my college is like a 5 minute walk from it so if they did do that, I would LOVE to go there again
Please Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries museum in the UK, break down the weapons from *METAL GEAR SOLID 3* before the remake comes out. So many weapons in MGS3 to react and comment on like the Patriot's infinite ammo magazine, the EZ tranq gun, Snake's customized officer M1911A1, Snake whittling the pistol grip to use a knife for CQC, Ocelot's SAA juggling skills, The End's paratrooper tranquilizer Mosin Nagant, the Davey Crockett recoil-less nuclear launcher and Eva's chinese mauser clone. There are so many more other interesting trivias and weapons in MGS3 so please gamespot and Johnathan make a video for the game.
.45 huh? Hrgh... Incredible. The feeding ramp is polished to a mirror sheen... The slide's been reinforced, and the interlock with the frame is tightened for added precision. The sight system is original, too. The thumb safety is extended to make it easier on the finger... a long type trigger with non-slip grooves... A ring hammer... The base of the trigger guard's been filed down for a higher grip. And not only that, nearly every part of this gun is expertly crafted and customized.
@@KingLich451 Actually yeah, I'm more curious with his reactions towards the Frankenstein'd guns made for it, and what influences he can see and pick apart from those.
The M1941 Johnson looks like something I'd see in a diesel punk setting. I kinda dig it. Also, putting a zip 22 as an under barrel attachment to a zip 22 is the worst thing ever, and I cannot be happier it exists.
There's a mod that lets you control multiple undervarrels from a single trigger, and ive seen someone use that plus a ton of rail adaptersto make a truly cursed .22 volleygun
I'm praying that one day the Valkyria Chronicles gets a feature. Such an interesting anime-esque series of WW2-adjacent games. It could be really funny seeing Jonathan react to the lancer weapons.
I hope they also have Dr Capwell, who previously did reactions to armors from other games to take a gander at the uniforms too, be it Gallian, Imperial, Federation or even those Calamity Ravens geezers. I'm sure he'll have plenty to say, for the Gallians, there are uniforms of the militia, the army, the elite troops, the cadets and also the Nameless, which I think really stand out due to how unconventional their dress codes tend to be.
For those who would like to see the inside of a G11, look up Forgotten Weapons video on the gun. He takes an excellent in depth look at how the gun works, including a teardown!
Has John ever been in VR? It's such a different experience actually seeing the weapons in front of you. You should definitely put him in a headset for one of these videos
Wouldn’t even be that difficult. I’ve even went around with my full Vive and desktop setup and it’s quite doable with a nice suitcase. Would be a lot of fun, especially if Anton were on a discord call at the same time to explain stuff if needed.
I'm glad y'all are giving this game more and more attention. It's one of my favorite vr games and maybe even games ever made. Anton has put his heart and soul into this game and it shows
I only have 8 hours in the game (my second most played vr after Alyx game since i only recently got VR) and i can really tell theres so much effort that goes into the guns in the game, it makes me excited for future additions
I’m Swedish and the Johnson LMG holds such a special place in Swedish pop culture. It’s the gun used by the killer in Bo Widerberg’s Man on the Roof, a Swedish action thriller from 1976, heralded as one of the best Swedish movies ever made (a view I also hold). In the film, a crazed man sits on a roof and uses it (together with other weapons) to shoot police officers. It’s a great ‘70s thriller and if you’re fine with subtitles, I highly recommend seeking it out! And a tidbit, the gun used in the movie is an FAL mocked up to look like the Johnson.
Would love to see an interview between Jonathon and Anton to talk through the rigorous amounts of detail in H3VR, it really is a game that never stops giving. If you're a UK based citizen like me, without a home firing range or access to any real firearms this is just such a treat, As a gamer for the last few decades there really is nothing that compares - Anton really needs the recognition he deserves, and I think this channel is really starting to do H3VR justice with all the content so far.
One of my favourite mods for H3VR adds the ability to introduce feed failures, weapon jams, and light strikes-you can even modify the behaviours of specific guns. Not only does having slightly unrealistically high failure rates make the action-packed game modes far more engaging, but it can make the Zip22 extra realistic by giving it it's notorious 50% success rate when pulling the trigger.
While I agree that Metal Gear Solid 3 would be a great episode and it should come before the remake is out, I'm once again asking to see Jonathan react to the more often than not cursed weapons from Criterion Games' "Black".
This game has the Mk22 hushpuppy. A super silent pistol that actual locks the slide back to not recycle so you don't even hear the sounds of metal going back and forwards. I wonder how realistic that is in real life. Would love to hear Jonathan's take on it.
There are bolt lock mechanisms available for other guns too, including the M9, Mk23, Glock, M&P, plus various .22 pistols and rifles (especially Ruger models). Plenty of service rifles with rifle-grenade launching capabilities also have a gas-shutoff device that's functionally equivalent (Yugo SKS and AKs for example have this). Generally, it DOES result in a slightly quieter shot, but it isn't particularly useful outside of special forces and recon purposes. The reason is that on a normal battlefield, even an inefficient suppressor is generally good enough, especially when combined with "keyhole shooting" (meaning shooting from behind/between cover). The other reason slide/bolt-lock mechanics aren't more common is because sub-sonic ammo generally won't cycle most autoloading rifles unless you modify the recoil springs or gas system. So, just using sub-sonic ammo often gives you the same functionality as a specialized bolt-lock device. That's why you generally only see locking mechanisms on pistols or blowback operation firearms.
@@n_tas I'm aware that HK removed that functionality from the production versions. There are a couple of gunsmiths that have successfully added it back to individual pistols as a personal project, though. There was an old thread on either HKPro or Silencertalk about the process one guy used, and a few more folks iterated on that work to make slightly better versions as well (that automatically unlock when the slide is manually cycled). Sadly, it was basically only ever an advanced DIY type thing, so there's only a tiny handful of these lockable Mk23s around. Nobody really offered it as a professional custom service because it requires permanent modification of the frame. Which severely damages the traditional collector's value of the pistol since it's a non-standard/aftermarket mod. Plenty of folks thought it was neat &/or useful, while certain other posters reacted like it was the worst bubba-heresy they'd ever seen.
Absolutely LOVE the H3VR videos, always my fav episodes of the series! Would still love to see Johnathan's reactions to the guns of the Killzone series some day as well, absolutely fantastic and interesting weapon designs in that game
I've had the pleasure of shooting the M6 Survival Rifle. I was 12yo and a family friend had one. It was a really cool firearm. He had a class 3 license in the 90s, so he had a large collection of firearms. Including some full auto guns and suppressors
Having read the report on the ACR project, I am very tempted to say that the ACR project did come to something, and what it came to is the realization that the control group of an M16A2 with an optic on it was a genuinely good option to get about as much progress towards the project's goals as would be had with a much more complicated weapon.
The zip22 should have been jamming every other shot. It had infamous functionality problems across the board, but as it turns out if you have a plastic bolt with no ejector, no extractor, and a giant rectangular chamber, the casings get stuck in there. Often. And in ways that sometimes require complete disassembly. Which was a laborious process on its own.
7:30 I'm honestly thankful that more and more of the obscure, prototype, and one-off guns from both World Wars are getting put into games because it means people can learn about them and their existence and then they will hopefully research them and appreciate them and other weapons or vehicles or other equipment. I am also thankful guns of other eras are getting such treatment too.
I clicked on this video so fast at just seeing the M6 Survival on the thumbnail I am honestly shocked at its appearance in game let alone it being talked about here! My father had one for many many years and it was basically the gun I grew up with that I associated with him since we spent almost all of our time in the deep woods together roving and camping and this was his rifle that he would carry and when I was old enough the one I carried myself....and then 2 years ago he traded it for a small double barrel 410 pistol despite the M6 being so rare and never having seen another one or heard of them being talked about or known to even exist before in my life. And then we get this gem of a video letting thousands of people see it and it's fun quirkiness. I hope to someday have one for myself if not the original one of my childhood since I know the guy it was traded to still.
13:28 - Neat to hear him compliment the eye relief simulation, when they've since reworked scopes to be even more accurate to real life in terms of optics and eye relief.
I heard some manual for the Zip 22 mentioned attaching it to an AR15 for use as an underbarrel weapon. For if say police wanted a less powerful cartridge ready
I'd love to see Jonathan react to the wonder weapons from the Call Of Duty Zombies games, from the futuristic sci-fi weapons to the DIY weapons, and even literally just a crossbow
If I recall correctly, the Zip 22 can actually be fitted under the barrel of an assault rifle, with a special adapter. Assuming I do remember that correctly, I cannot fathom why anyone would think that's a good idea.
theres not much to react. the guns just shoot. they're not very intricately designed from a game perspective, even if they are recreations of various rejected experminental guns.
Having done some competitive air carbine shooting in the past, I can tell you that not being able to close 1 eye does not at all impede your possibility to become an assassin. We were even taught to keep both eyes open to not strain the muscles around the eye.
It seems that Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries museum in the UK, has gotten better and has been brought back to his usual spot.
I remember hearing that, while the Zip .22 can take Ruger 10-22 mags, like the 10 round rotary mag and whatever extended mag is available, you kinda need the rotary mag because the bolt moved way too quickly for the larger magazines to push the bullet up quickly enough. The bolt was made mostly out of plastic and it’s a blowback. The bolt’s speed was ridiculous.
I enjoy that Dave is in the newer videos. The old style where it was just Johnathan talking was good, but I like the discussions between Dave and Johnathan so much more. The little bit of banter really makes these videos for me, especially since Dave is much like us viewers. He's a gamer and a bit of a firearms enthusiast, and he often gets to ask the questions that many of us would have for Johnathan. It's a good dynamic
First off, when Johnathan says that "theoretically, the tiny 10/22 ten-round rotary magazine can fit on this," he's both extremely correct and slightly off. Watching the Forgotten Weapons videos, you'll see Ian discover that these guns are EXPLICITLY designed to work with the ten-round rotary magazine. Because the Zip's bolt is polymer, all the other Ruger magazines cycle too slowly to feed reliably. Also, Johnathan should review the FEAR guns.
As someone who is lucky enough to have a VR system, the work and dedication put into HHH is really neat. On the surface the game is very silly, and its clearly a bit of a WIP in terms of some of the game modes. But in terms of the accuracy, and just the sheer amount of firearms and weapons is so cool.
I would love to see a video of Jonathan going through the tarkov gunsmith just making his own weapons. would love to see what he does with all those options.
Perfect Dark!!! Perfect Dark had some really fun amalgamations of real guns, and some really interesting fictional guns as well. I think Jonathan would enjoy talking about them!
Always a pleasure seeing the WA2000. Not sure why I like the design so much it's so unique, but it's a fond memory of the original Hitman 2 for me, quite iconic.
I usually do it with both eyes open. I've used that to use modded IR scopes that weren't working correctly in the game. Looked at the crosshair with my right eye, target with my left. When the two images cross, pull the trigger.
I used to close one eye using sights in H3VR but found that contracting the muscles in my face to close my eye shifted my headset over to one side so my open eye would just get a blurry picture. I'm too embarrassed to disclose how long it took me to realise I could just not close my eye... It wasn't immediate, let's leave it at that
I’ve never shot in VR, but in real life you are supposed to have both eyes open. The principle you explained where the two images cross over is exactly how it works.
If they haven't already, I really want someone to show him the welrod in H3VR, specifically how the rubber seal can be removed and replaced, and it even shows wear and tear the more you shoot through it.
Ok so this entire series has basically been Johnathan seeing the outside of weapons. I think its time to truly put him to the test and see his skills with the inside of weapons with the game Gunsmith Simulator where you can take weapons apart down to their individual components. Definitely more new than just making him see the Sturmgewehr for the 44th time
In regards to eyes when aiming in H3VR, Ive found i can easily keep both open. It combines the sight picture and free peripheral vision, as the signals from our eyes get layered over each other.
Chiappa makes a new version of the M6 Survival Rifle in any combo of either 22LR or 22 Magnum, and 20 or 12 gauge. Not only that, but they sell a version that comes with inserts for the shotgun barrel that allow you to fire just about any popular commercial cartridge you'd want from it. A bit pointless, but the idea of having a gun in the apocalypse that can fire just about anything you can find in the wild is interesting
The Zip22 in H3VR is also miles more reliable than the real article, if the FW video is demonstrative of the trend. Ian couldn't get three rounds without some catastrophic feed or ejection failure.
Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries museum in the UK is holding a johnson with two hands! What a big johnson, Mr Ferguson.
Pushing as always for you guys to have Jonathan cover Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter and to cover the M8 and MRI Caseless specifically as well. I have been posting for you to do this in every video a year back now.
Definitely+1 for Warframe. While they're mostly super fantastical, there's enough guns to get a good few episodes out of it. Might need to reach out to a fan with a well progressed account though for the footage (I volunteer happily)
I don’t know how it would be marketed or presented, but a episode focusing on a lot of games with a few guns each might be nice. The first thing that comes to mind is the arkane games that haven’t been shown yet. Redfall and Deathloop have a wide rage of weapons each, but prey and the entitle dishonored franchise only really have two guns in them each. Four guns isn’t enough for a whole episode. But maybe with a couple other games and or some of the stranger weapons in either game could help pad that out.
Please Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armories Museum in the UK which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history. PLEASE DO ENLISTED!!!!! I think you would be surprised by the accuracy of the guns in the game.
2:30 "Given that most firearms in the 20th century operated on essentially Victorian principles. The self-contained metallic cartridge, blowback operated, gas operated, recoil operated, this was all technology the Victorians were capable of even if they didn't fully realise it." This is a fascinating take that I've never heard before. I understood that since the rotating workpiece lathe enabled precision machined parts, it enabled both powerful steam engines - thus the industrial revolution - and the fine machining required to make breech-loading weapons that enabled automatics to really take off. Now that invention did happen before the Victorian era, so I suppose it is possible they could've invented all these weapons earlier than they did, but I understood that it was a gradual process of refining and building up supporting technologies that led to these weapons, which is why we had hand-operated repeaters like the Gatling or lever actions before we had truly self-loading automatics, because you need much tighter tolerances to reliably direct the power of the cartridge into cycling the weapon. I believe the designers of the day understood the possibility of self-loaders but weren't able to realise it because they had to iterate and refine before they really took off. I'd be interested to know more about this, I'm not saying Jonathan's wrong - I'd bet on him knowing more about this than me - but I'd love to know what research there is into this, and whether it's as uncontroversially true as he seems to imply.
For a future episode, I’d recommend the 200 vs. 200, team based American Civil War FPS “War Of Rights.” It has a great variety of detailed weapons, ranging from muskets, to revolvers, to swords, and manned artillery. Additionally, players use actual Civil War tactics such as forming ranks, volley fire, and skirmish lines.
I'd like to see Jonathan review the guns of Prey (2017), Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare, Call of Duty: Black Ops Campaign, Classic Tomb Raider, The Callisto Protocol and/or Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth 👽🪖🔥💀🚀🐙
One of these experts react to H3VR has to have Jonathan in vr eventually, it’d be a crime not to have him experience the game in person and try them in the game
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The Zip22 is a fascinating gun because the creator intended for it to be an incredibly safe gun and accidentally made an Incredibly Unsafe gun. Forgotten Weapons has a great video on it.
Putting your hand close to the barrel to prime it sounds quite scary
honestly it looks like a chunkier derringer
I know it's Forgotten Weapons but watching that episode makes me think of that clip Scott uses in Kentucky Ballistics, playing on repeat: 'You got jammed', 'You got jammed', 'You got jammed', 'You got jammed', 'You got jammed'...
@@ranjela455the difference is derringer actually works, unlike Zip22
well, what really kneecapped it was that it misfires on every third shot, which H3VR sadly cannot reproduce, because it does not have weapon malfunctions.
I made the Zip .22 model for H3! Absolutely humbled to see Jonathan react to it! :D
Thanks again for the wonderful models dude :-)
@@AntonHandAnton! What a surprise to see you in comments of the video lol. I loved that .410 level action from Meatmas! How's work on the next update going?
If you read the marketing material for the gun it was supposed to be underslung on an AR then to be used as a last ditch or New York Reload. The owner of the company just wanted a gun under his gun so he didn't have to reload so much. I'm still not convinced it wasn't some sort of tax dodge scheme.
@@narr0wm1nd49 According to the Forgotten Weapons video, the owner ran his firearms company as basically a hobby, always willing to indulge his eccentric whims. They were known for making the best single action army replicas, until they sold the toolings for SAAs in order to make the Zip. Then they were going to make a ton of money, then buy better toolings. Instead they went under.
Also according to the marketing materials, they made a SBR shoulder stock. Which needs to be in H3VR.
What a WONDERFUL thing to wake up to on a Saturday morning :-)
Thanks for all your hard work Anton! H3 has come so far and is still one of my fav VR games.
I'm glad all of this time of Jonathan covering your game has led up to "Don't throw your Johnson on the floor"
Thank you for helping to preserve firearms in such a fantastic medium. Very glad to see your success!
Assuming it was genuinely Anton that captured the footage, I can just hear his giggling when he attached that Zip 22 to the rifle.
It was, and I did. :-p
@@AntonHandYou must've been cackling like a Saturday cartoon villain when you attached the Zip 22 to another Zip 22.
@@MakusinMeringue It's now a Zip 44 :o
Combine five of them and yell "GATTAI!" to reach the final combined mecha Zip
Shout out to Anton for the gameplay. The man who should know H3 best, getting to hand pick what to show Jonathan.
I saw the gesture when he attached the zip to the ar and was like, "wait did anton record this?" and sure enough he did
@@bookreaderman6715 He has been recording the H3 footage since last year's April's Fool episode, where he debuted the Shadow in the dev log the same day, with apologies to Jonathan.
Truly the greatest developer ❤
@@bookreaderman6715 I saw that too but I didn't realise it was Anton! Now that you mention I can totally hear him saying "tada!" at 3:34
H3VR has a toxic community
7:10 "The whole thing retracts when you stab somebody which is off-putting"
A guy getting stabbed: "Okay the bayonet is bad enough but the barrel moving is just weirding me out."
Well, Ruger mags are awesome for Zip22 if you want your gun to jam 25 times instead of normal 10 times
Oh don't be pessimistic, anyone who has handled a real zip 22 can tell you that it's fully capable of jamming multiple times on the same round
IIRC from Ian's video, non-rotary magazines simply don't feed fast enough to keep up with the bolt. After every round he fired from an extended magazine, it jammed the next round into its own casing.
The most unrealistic part of the Zip 22 in this game is that you can fire it more than once without having to clear a jam.
Yeah, the ZiP is basically a single shot with a magazine
“Not as off-putting as being stabbed with 7 inches of steel” Never change, Jonathan
Hey, at least if you survive, you can say "I got stabbed by a Johnson"
👀👀👀👀👀👀@@mgrn1990
i’d love to see john play this game in vr, it’s so good
He'd be geeking out and let the sosigs surround him, and be telling them all about the guns he's holding, before he puts mustard on everything...and eats his way out of trouble.
H3VR should have educational version for the Royal Armouries. Visitors can't shoot the real guns, but they can shoot the virtual guns!
@@ArifRWinandar That would be awesome, I live near Royal Armouries and my college is like a 5 minute walk from it so if they did do that, I would LOVE to go there again
Please Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries museum in the UK, break down the weapons from *METAL GEAR SOLID 3* before the remake comes out.
So many weapons in MGS3 to react and comment on like the Patriot's infinite ammo magazine, the EZ tranq gun, Snake's customized officer M1911A1, Snake whittling the pistol grip to use a knife for CQC, Ocelot's SAA juggling skills, The End's paratrooper tranquilizer Mosin Nagant, the Davey Crockett recoil-less nuclear launcher and Eva's chinese mauser clone.
There are so many more other interesting trivias and weapons in MGS3 so please gamespot and Johnathan make a video for the game.
.45 huh? Hrgh... Incredible. The feeding ramp is polished to a mirror sheen... The slide's been reinforced, and the interlock with the frame is tightened for added precision. The sight system is original, too. The thumb safety is extended to make it easier on the finger... a long type trigger with non-slip grooves... A ring hammer... The base of the trigger guard's been filed down for a higher grip. And not only that, nearly every part of this gun is expertly crafted and customized.
i'd prefer an mgs 5 showcase
@@KingLich451 Actually yeah, I'm more curious with his reactions towards the Frankenstein'd guns made for it, and what influences he can see and pick apart from those.
He already reacted to them @@KingLich451
I am also intrigued by Jonathan's take on the MGS4 Weapons.
It's the first game I ever saw where the character puts the safety on in a cutscene
The M1941 Johnson looks like something I'd see in a diesel punk setting. I kinda dig it. Also, putting a zip 22 as an under barrel attachment to a zip 22 is the worst thing ever, and I cannot be happier it exists.
There's a mod that lets you control multiple undervarrels from a single trigger, and ive seen someone use that plus a ton of rail adaptersto make a truly cursed .22 volleygun
@@callsignapollo_ Ooh boy he'd have a field day about the phantom forces zip 22 especially the admin only variant
I'm praying that one day the Valkyria Chronicles gets a feature. Such an interesting anime-esque series of WW2-adjacent games. It could be really funny seeing Jonathan react to the lancer weapons.
I hope they also have Dr Capwell, who previously did reactions to armors from other games to take a gander at the uniforms too, be it Gallian, Imperial, Federation or even those Calamity Ravens geezers. I'm sure he'll have plenty to say, for the Gallians, there are uniforms of the militia, the army, the elite troops, the cadets and also the Nameless, which I think really stand out due to how unconventional their dress codes tend to be.
For those who would like to see the inside of a G11, look up Forgotten Weapons video on the gun. He takes an excellent in depth look at how the gun works, including a teardown!
And while you're there also watch his video on the Zip22 and how much of a disaster it is
Has John ever been in VR? It's such a different experience actually seeing the weapons in front of you. You should definitely put him in a headset for one of these videos
Seconded - Do a stream - a few hours of just playing around with the spawner.
Wouldn’t even be that difficult. I’ve even went around with my full Vive and desktop setup and it’s quite doable with a nice suitcase. Would be a lot of fun, especially if Anton were on a discord call at the same time to explain stuff if needed.
I'm glad y'all are giving this game more and more attention. It's one of my favorite vr games and maybe even games ever made. Anton has put his heart and soul into this game and it shows
I only have 8 hours in the game (my second most played vr after Alyx game since i only recently got VR) and i can really tell theres so much effort that goes into the guns in the game, it makes me excited for future additions
I’m Swedish and the Johnson LMG holds such a special place in Swedish pop culture. It’s the gun used by the killer in Bo Widerberg’s Man on the Roof, a Swedish action thriller from 1976, heralded as one of the best Swedish movies ever made (a view I also hold). In the film, a crazed man sits on a roof and uses it (together with other weapons) to shoot police officers. It’s a great ‘70s thriller and if you’re fine with subtitles, I highly recommend seeking it out!
And a tidbit, the gun used in the movie is an FAL mocked up to look like the Johnson.
Would love to see an interview between Jonathon and Anton to talk through the rigorous amounts of detail in H3VR, it really is a game that never stops giving. If you're a UK based citizen like me, without a home firing range or access to any real firearms this is just such a treat, As a gamer for the last few decades there really is nothing that compares - Anton really needs the recognition he deserves, and I think this channel is really starting to do H3VR justice with all the content so far.
Putting a drum mag, or any high capacity magazine, on a Zip22 is a great way to get more jams between reloads. 👍
I think it's unfair to assume the mag would have anything to do with the Zip22's shortcomings lol
One of my favourite mods for H3VR adds the ability to introduce feed failures, weapon jams, and light strikes-you can even modify the behaviours of specific guns.
Not only does having slightly unrealistically high failure rates make the action-packed game modes far more engaging, but it can make the Zip22 extra realistic by giving it it's notorious 50% success rate when pulling the trigger.
While I agree that Metal Gear Solid 3 would be a great episode and it should come before the remake is out, I'm once again asking to see Jonathan react to the more often than not cursed weapons from Criterion Games' "Black".
Ohh yes. Black was something special.
how about Armed and Dangerous?
shark cannon review pls
I second this
I second the recommendation from the original comment.
I would love to see Jonathan actually playing the game in VR and trying out the guns.
This game has the Mk22 hushpuppy. A super silent pistol that actual locks the slide back to not recycle so you don't even hear the sounds of metal going back and forwards. I wonder how realistic that is in real life. Would love to hear Jonathan's take on it.
Did exist, there's a forgotten weapons video on it
There are bolt lock mechanisms available for other guns too, including the M9, Mk23, Glock, M&P, plus various .22 pistols and rifles (especially Ruger models). Plenty of service rifles with rifle-grenade launching capabilities also have a gas-shutoff device that's functionally equivalent (Yugo SKS and AKs for example have this).
Generally, it DOES result in a slightly quieter shot, but it isn't particularly useful outside of special forces and recon purposes. The reason is that on a normal battlefield, even an inefficient suppressor is generally good enough, especially when combined with "keyhole shooting" (meaning shooting from behind/between cover). The other reason slide/bolt-lock mechanics aren't more common is because sub-sonic ammo generally won't cycle most autoloading rifles unless you modify the recoil springs or gas system. So, just using sub-sonic ammo often gives you the same functionality as a specialized bolt-lock device. That's why you generally only see locking mechanisms on pistols or blowback operation firearms.
@@dark2023-1lovesoni only the prototypes of the Mk.23 had the slide lock, the production version didn't. Just sayin'
@@n_tasWhich was a mistake. They should have kept it on there. It was so cool and added to the gun more.
@@n_tas I'm aware that HK removed that functionality from the production versions. There are a couple of gunsmiths that have successfully added it back to individual pistols as a personal project, though. There was an old thread on either HKPro or Silencertalk about the process one guy used, and a few more folks iterated on that work to make slightly better versions as well (that automatically unlock when the slide is manually cycled). Sadly, it was basically only ever an advanced DIY type thing, so there's only a tiny handful of these lockable Mk23s around. Nobody really offered it as a professional custom service because it requires permanent modification of the frame. Which severely damages the traditional collector's value of the pistol since it's a non-standard/aftermarket mod. Plenty of folks thought it was neat &/or useful, while certain other posters reacted like it was the worst bubba-heresy they'd ever seen.
Woah I had no clue Anton provided the footage, that man is a blessing.
My dads cousin has a Johnson rifle. He was surprised I knew about it. They aren’t super common. He also had two safes full of Garands.
That M6 Survival Rifle reminded me a bit of M30 Drilling. Uses 2 different calibers and designed to be used by pilots as a hunting weapon.
Absolutely LOVE the H3VR videos, always my fav episodes of the series!
Would still love to see Johnathan's reactions to the guns of the Killzone series some day as well, absolutely fantastic and interesting weapon designs in that game
RIP Killzone... 😔
I've had the pleasure of shooting the M6 Survival Rifle. I was 12yo and a family friend had one. It was a really cool firearm. He had a class 3 license in the 90s, so he had a large collection of firearms. Including some full auto guns and suppressors
Having read the report on the ACR project, I am very tempted to say that the ACR project did come to something, and what it came to is the realization that the control group of an M16A2 with an optic on it was a genuinely good option to get about as much progress towards the project's goals as would be had with a much more complicated weapon.
The zip22 should have been jamming every other shot.
It had infamous functionality problems across the board, but as it turns out if you have a plastic bolt with no ejector, no extractor, and a giant rectangular chamber, the casings get stuck in there.
Often.
And in ways that sometimes require complete disassembly. Which was a laborious process on its own.
Always nice seeing Jonathan handle a Johnson.
7:30 I'm honestly thankful that more and more of the obscure, prototype, and one-off guns from both World Wars are getting put into games because it means people can learn about them and their existence and then they will hopefully research them and appreciate them and other weapons or vehicles or other equipment.
I am also thankful guns of other eras are getting such treatment too.
I clicked on this video so fast at just seeing the M6 Survival on the thumbnail I am honestly shocked at its appearance in game let alone it being talked about here! My father had one for many many years and it was basically the gun I grew up with that I associated with him since we spent almost all of our time in the deep woods together roving and camping and this was his rifle that he would carry and when I was old enough the one I carried myself....and then 2 years ago he traded it for a small double barrel 410 pistol despite the M6 being so rare and never having seen another one or heard of them being talked about or known to even exist before in my life. And then we get this gem of a video letting thousands of people see it and it's fun quirkiness. I hope to someday have one for myself if not the original one of my childhood since I know the guy it was traded to still.
13:28 - Neat to hear him compliment the eye relief simulation, when they've since reworked scopes to be even more accurate to real life in terms of optics and eye relief.
6:37 Never thought I'd see Johnathan handling an old Johnson!
I would do just about anything to watch a stream of Jonathan playing h3vr for a few hours
Always good to see Jonathan.
Would hate for Jonathan, Dave, Adam, or David to announce their departure from TH-cam like everybody else the last four weeks
Nice! Even more H3VR content. One day you guys really need to stick Jonathan in a VR headset!
I heard some manual for the Zip 22 mentioned attaching it to an AR15 for use as an underbarrel weapon. For if say police wanted a less powerful cartridge ready
Ian from forgotten weapons explained the internals of G11 in more detail. But anyways, you made a nice description of the gun!
Between this and Zachs discussion of it on MikeBurnsFire, feels like the G11 is being mentioned a lot in recent months
I'd love to see Jonathan react to the wonder weapons from the Call Of Duty Zombies games, from the futuristic sci-fi weapons to the DIY weapons, and even literally just a crossbow
I've not actually heard of the .22 Hornet before. Love learning new things from Jonathan :)
If I recall correctly, the Zip 22 can actually be fitted under the barrel of an assault rifle, with a special adapter.
Assuming I do remember that correctly, I cannot fathom why anyone would think that's a good idea.
I would love Jonathan to react to the interesting guns in the insane world of Cruelty Squad
Me too
theres not much to react. the guns just shoot. they're not very intricately designed from a game perspective, even if they are recreations of various rejected experminental guns.
Lol I was thinking that too when I saw the G-11
@@humanharddrive1do you know what guns are made to do? That's right, shoot.
Besides the guns vary quite a bit with each one functioning differently
Having done some competitive air carbine shooting in the past, I can tell you that not being able to close 1 eye does not at all impede your possibility to become an assassin.
We were even taught to keep both eyes open to not strain the muscles around the eye.
It seems that Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries museum in the UK, has gotten better and has been brought back to his usual spot.
I remember hearing that, while the Zip .22 can take Ruger 10-22 mags, like the 10 round rotary mag and whatever extended mag is available, you kinda need the rotary mag because the bolt moved way too quickly for the larger magazines to push the bullet up quickly enough. The bolt was made mostly out of plastic and it’s a blowback. The bolt’s speed was ridiculous.
I enjoy that Dave is in the newer videos. The old style where it was just Johnathan talking was good, but I like the discussions between Dave and Johnathan so much more.
The little bit of banter really makes these videos for me, especially since Dave is much like us viewers. He's a gamer and a bit of a firearms enthusiast, and he often gets to ask the questions that many of us would have for Johnathan.
It's a good dynamic
Fun fact: Both the G11 and the Zip 22 are featured in cruelty squad which, to be fair, could make an amazing video to cover with johnathan
First off, when Johnathan says that "theoretically, the tiny 10/22 ten-round rotary magazine can fit on this," he's both extremely correct and slightly off. Watching the Forgotten Weapons videos, you'll see Ian discover that these guns are EXPLICITLY designed to work with the ten-round rotary magazine. Because the Zip's bolt is polymer, all the other Ruger magazines cycle too slowly to feed reliably.
Also, Johnathan should review the FEAR guns.
anton has one of the most INSANE attentions to detail, even in his cursed or fictional things
As someone who is lucky enough to have a VR system, the work and dedication put into HHH is really neat. On the surface the game is very silly, and its clearly a bit of a WIP in terms of some of the game modes. But in terms of the accuracy, and just the sheer amount of firearms and weapons is so cool.
I would love to see a video of Jonathan going through the tarkov gunsmith just making his own weapons. would love to see what he does with all those options.
I pray to god that this series will go back to what it once was (Dave not talking in the video)
Shooting with s scoped rifle is taught now with both eyes open for improved spatial awareness, Dave can still be a professional hit man
Perfect Dark!!! Perfect Dark had some really fun amalgamations of real guns, and some really interesting fictional guns as well. I think Jonathan would enjoy talking about them!
"being stabbed by seven inches of Johnson" was right there, Jonathan...
Jonathan needs to have a look at the weapons from the Killzone games. I think those would be fun ones.
I would also love to watch that.
Agreed, I'd like to hear his take on the widespread use of helical magazines in Helghast weaponry
Always a pleasure seeing the WA2000. Not sure why I like the design so much it's so unique, but it's a fond memory of the original Hitman 2 for me, quite iconic.
I usually do it with both eyes open. I've used that to use modded IR scopes that weren't working correctly in the game. Looked at the crosshair with my right eye, target with my left. When the two images cross, pull the trigger.
I used to close one eye using sights in H3VR but found that contracting the muscles in my face to close my eye shifted my headset over to one side so my open eye would just get a blurry picture. I'm too embarrassed to disclose how long it took me to realise I could just not close my eye... It wasn't immediate, let's leave it at that
I’ve never shot in VR, but in real life you are supposed to have both eyes open. The principle you explained where the two images cross over is exactly how it works.
If they haven't already, I really want someone to show him the welrod in H3VR, specifically how the rubber seal can be removed and replaced, and it even shows wear and tear the more you shoot through it.
for me closing an eye depend son the situation. i usually keep both eyes open if i can for situational awareness, but some scopes require just one
The only other context you could use the phrase "Don't throw the Johnson on the floor" would be if you're talking to Lorena Bobbitt
Ok so this entire series has basically been Johnathan seeing the outside of weapons. I think its time to truly put him to the test and see his skills with the inside of weapons with the game Gunsmith Simulator where you can take weapons apart down to their individual components. Definitely more new than just making him see the Sturmgewehr for the 44th time
In regards to eyes when aiming in H3VR, Ive found i can easily keep both open. It combines the sight picture and free peripheral vision, as the signals from our eyes get layered over each other.
Johnathan sounds so much better this week I'm glad he is better 😊❤
Chiappa makes a new version of the M6 Survival Rifle in any combo of either 22LR or 22 Magnum, and 20 or 12 gauge. Not only that, but they sell a version that comes with inserts for the shotgun barrel that allow you to fire just about any popular commercial cartridge you'd want from it. A bit pointless, but the idea of having a gun in the apocalypse that can fire just about anything you can find in the wild is interesting
The Zip22 in H3VR is also miles more reliable than the real article, if the FW video is demonstrative of the trend. Ian couldn't get three rounds without some catastrophic feed or ejection failure.
OK, we need a "Don't Throw The Johnson On The Floor!" T-Shirt!
Petition for Jonathan to review the Ww2 guns of Squad 44 / Post Scriptum, some interesting guns in that game.
I think GTFO's guns would make for an amazing episode because theyre all so unique
I'd love to see Jonathan react to Receiver 2, the attention to detail in that game is insane
Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries museum in the UK is holding a johnson with two hands! What a big johnson, Mr Ferguson.
Pushing as always for you guys to have Jonathan cover Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter and to cover the M8 and MRI Caseless specifically as well.
I have been posting for you to do this in every video a year back now.
1941 Johnson is my personal favorite firearm, will be getting one soon.
I would like to see Jonathan reacting to the funky guns of Warframe
Definitely+1 for Warframe. While they're mostly super fantastical, there's enough guns to get a good few episodes out of it.
Might need to reach out to a fan with a well progressed account though for the footage (I volunteer happily)
I love Warframe guns but they're generally not animated enough for it to be worth showing him. Only the Cyanex has a moving slide, even.
I don’t know how it would be marketed or presented, but a episode focusing on a lot of games with a few guns each might be nice. The first thing that comes to mind is the arkane games that haven’t been shown yet. Redfall and Deathloop have a wide rage of weapons each, but prey and the entitle dishonored franchise only really have two guns in them each. Four guns isn’t enough for a whole episode. But maybe with a couple other games and or some of the stranger weapons in either game could help pad that out.
+1 week pushing for a E.Y.E.: Divine Cybermancy, Resistance or Darkwatch video.....
And killzone, army of two (the first one)
I VOTE FOR DARKWATCH
+1 vote for EYE.
Wanna see Jonathan's reaction to Full auto and Fuller auto
yes please do E.Y.E
+1 for Resistance
Never give up on your dreams Dave. You can do anything.
I feel like don't throw the Johnson on the floor is a phrase that will follow Jonathan around for a long time now
I'm happy to see H3 being featured more and more on the series.
Please Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armories Museum in the UK which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history. PLEASE DO ENLISTED!!!!! I think you would be surprised by the accuracy of the guns in the game.
Jonathan should look at the guns of SAO Fatal Bullet and COD Advanced Warfare
Never thought I’d see Jonathan pull out his Johnson on camera but here we are
2:30 "Given that most firearms in the 20th century operated on essentially Victorian principles. The self-contained metallic cartridge, blowback operated, gas operated, recoil operated, this was all technology the Victorians were capable of even if they didn't fully realise it."
This is a fascinating take that I've never heard before. I understood that since the rotating workpiece lathe enabled precision machined parts, it enabled both powerful steam engines - thus the industrial revolution - and the fine machining required to make breech-loading weapons that enabled automatics to really take off. Now that invention did happen before the Victorian era, so I suppose it is possible they could've invented all these weapons earlier than they did, but I understood that it was a gradual process of refining and building up supporting technologies that led to these weapons, which is why we had hand-operated repeaters like the Gatling or lever actions before we had truly self-loading automatics, because you need much tighter tolerances to reliably direct the power of the cartridge into cycling the weapon. I believe the designers of the day understood the possibility of self-loaders but weren't able to realise it because they had to iterate and refine before they really took off.
I'd be interested to know more about this, I'm not saying Jonathan's wrong - I'd bet on him knowing more about this than me - but I'd love to know what research there is into this, and whether it's as uncontroversially true as he seems to imply.
Ian, from Forgotten Weapons, took a Zip .22 to the range, and, absolutely HATED it.
I can't believe nobody's commented yet on Jonathan's 'Xzibit gun' quip. I actually laughed out loud, though intoxication may have contributed there.
For a future episode, I’d recommend the 200 vs. 200, team based American Civil War FPS “War Of Rights.” It has a great variety of detailed weapons, ranging from muskets, to revolvers, to swords, and manned artillery. Additionally, players use actual Civil War tactics such as forming ranks, volley fire, and skirmish lines.
Oh! A gun I’ve actually fired! I’ve shot the M6 Survival Rifle.
I'd like to see Jonathan review the guns of Prey (2017), Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare, Call of Duty: Black Ops Campaign, Classic Tomb Raider, The Callisto Protocol and/or Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth 👽🪖🔥💀🚀🐙
I love the line about the Zip 22 being the bully's tiny mate.
I have never seen one of those break action weapons before. They are quite interesting.
Good, would love to see even more h3vr
Glad the M6 is finally getting some love. Picked up a Czech made stainless steel version last year.
More H3VR? That's an instant like from me!
One of these experts react to H3VR has to have Jonathan in vr eventually, it’d be a crime not to have him experience the game in person and try them in the game
first weapon G11, i love the spicy jack in the box gun!
One of the only unrealistic things in HH&H is the fact that these firearms, especially the zip .22, actually function well.
The G11 mechanism looks more like a watch movement than anything related to firearms
For those who want a g11 breakdown, Forgotten Weapons has one. Ian also is friends with our host here.