@@Alphoric There isn't a single reliable narrator in the entire thing, we have two vending machine maintenance operatives, a "senile" computer who's files if they ever contained the information may have been corrupted since, a salvaged sanitation droid from another ship and the cat .. none of them might naturally be expected to have the education, training or background to be reliably expected to necessarily have (ever) had any of the science behind any of the ships systems etc or even entirely accurate information on the ships general specs accept Holly who's specifically stated to be 'senile' and repeatedly demonstrated to be an unreliable source of information .. and they are our only informants in the show which makes the writers job in this respect really easy, they can have the characters tell us anything and never have to (really) "retcon" anything as such because nothing they say to each other or tell us about any of that can really be assumed be to be 100% true or accurate 😁 if they say anything that doesn't make sense and it gets pointed out they can just shrug and say "well he doesn't know does he, he got it wrong, you expect a soup dispenser repair man to know that?" 😁
Yep, makes sense the back of the ship would be 'down'.. We don't ever see the ship spinning to provide centrifugal force so presumably there is supposed to be some other sort of artificial gravity in use .. yes it's big enough to have 'a little' gravity of its own but that would be pretty negligible so they have something providing the gravity allowing everyone to walk around normally just like they would if they're on earth.. Whatever it is is going to require power and adjustment against other forces like acceleration and those adjustments and the power requirements will necessarily be less if the gravity is aligned with the back of the ship being 'down'. This assumes their observed gravity isn't meant to be entirely due to acceleration of course .. which would mean they are constantly at 1G acceleration throughout the entire series .. which also makes the back of the ship 'down' of course. And then there's my favourite theory, they just said lets just make the damn thing and ignore the gravity (if they even thought about it all before any viewers started asking about it), if anyone asks we can just say it's artificial gravity and not worry about explaining how it works, Lister and Rimmer wouldn't know, Holly is 'senile' and has forgotten the 'science' behind it (if it was ever in his files to start with) so there's no one in the show who can reasonably be expected to be able to explain it to the audience so we don't have to 😁 .. 5 miles divided by a more normal seven foot 6 inches room and corridor height gives us up to 3520 floors.
@@Tao_Tology Yes, but I already functionally said that didn't I > "And then there's my favourite theory, they just said lets just make the damn thing and ignore the gravity"
This is an amazing channel. So glad I found it. RD brings me back to late Friday nights as a kid. Lived in Ireland but had all the UK channels. Red Dwarf. Films like London Kills Me and Naked. TV shows like Eurotrash, Bottom, Never Mind the Buzzcocks. Mtv Europe Beavis and Butthead, Aeon Flux and the Maxx...luckily I had a TV for my Mega Drive(then Saturn and PSX) and the 'pipe' we called it ran into my room for Rte1, Rte2, (TV3 in 99!), BBC 1&2, UTV(itv but Ulster variant. Essentially the same), Channel 4, MTV, TCC, Sky 1 and finally Eurosport. That was 'Cablelink' in Ireland at the time. Red Dwarf has such a strong place in my memories from 8-15, so 92-99. I love how your present the videos, your enthusiasm, your excellent research, your encyclopedic knowledge of the show, your editing...its all flawless 👌
Amazing video. This is a fantastic channel. Whenever I see the opening for series 1 and 2 I can’t help but ponder the size of Lister compared to the letters ‘RED DWARF’ let alone the ship entirely. Lister’s height seems roughly to be half of the font’s thickness. I’m sure there’s some clever mathematics which could be done to try and figure out the size of the ship just using the visual clues of Lister painting. Of course, it’d further be really quite interesting to know how it compares to the size which you have figured out in this video. What do you think?
Yeah I did think of doing it from that point of view, but the scale gets even more skewed as Lister is too big for the ship to be 5miles! The remastered blu ray opening has Lister at a better scale if memory serves.
Have you done a video covering the interior sets during Series 1-5? Like the sleeping quarters, drive room, science lab, medical unit, corridors, refectory etc.? Always wondered if the Series 3-5 interiors are meant to be the same as Series 1-2 heavily refurbished or if the guys moved out of their old quarters as they had free access to the whole ship. I like to think the latter since Red Dwarf is meant to be large with so many floors.
The TOS Enterprise was ~450m, so about two Titanics, so would also disappear against the Dwarf. With that in mind, I was thinking about the size of ships for my own Sci-fi stories a few years back, when I walked to work amongst some warehouses and truck stops. Some of the 3-4 storey warehouses (those are storeys for big crates, too, not people!) could do backflips in the internal volume of a 1500m long chisel-like ship. In Red Dwarf you could get 22 of them to play a footy match!
It would be interesting to compare real-life spaceships and fictional space ships. The Saturn V would be a good starting point. And the ISS of course. Compare that to the most iconic fictional space ships, like the TOS Enterprise, the TNG Enterprise, DS9, the Star Destroyers from Star Wars, the Battlestar Galactica, and several ships from Perry Rhodan, starting with the Marco Polo and the Sol. Red Dwarf is not as long as the Sol, but bulkier, so would top it in volume.
If you Google Space Ship Size comparison, there is an image that includes Red Dwarf, but there are some even bigger ships out there! RD looks small by comparison!
@02:34 6.52ft for a room height is extremely low. The measurements I've seen online say the ship is 6 miles (10 km) long, 5 miles (8 km) tall, and 4 miles (6 km) wide. If you divide 5 miles by 3000 floors, which it also says there is, you get an average room height of 8.8ft which is much closer to the scenes in the show and a realistic room height. The references in the TV show suggest the ship length is 5 miles long, but if you take out the areas where crew cant get too easily e.g. the engine/afterburners, then this would also make sense for them to say it was 5 miles instead of 6. :) Love your channel btw! :)
It's been at least 20 years since I read the books, but if I recall it was 3x2 miles there, too. And are we sure the decks are built across the ship and not vertically, as that would allow plenty of room for those several thousand floors.
the size of the Dwarf makes sense, it is a mining ship, if you couldn't mine more than a couple of buckets, it would not be profitable: Now, hauling an entire Mt. Everest home in your belly... Now that is opportunity
Glad you enjoyed it! Yeah, I thought it would make a good comparison, now if only I could figure out why the bridge has been down to one lane for over a year that would be helpful! :-)
@@RedDwarfNerd By the way - did you figure out how big Starbug is? Seems to grow quite a bit between 'Backwards' and 'Tikka to Ride' Remastered. Might max out at 120 ft, say, even 150.
@@chrissonofpear1384 I believe they said that the the time drive caused a singularity inside the bug, causing it's interior to be much larger than how it was originally built. In real life, this was because the writers wanted more to work with than just the fairly titchy Starbug. In the show, they do use the space for a lot of different things. Think of it like the TARDIS. The exterior of Starbug remained the same, but the time drive caused a sort of pocket dimension that was much larger on the interior of Starbug. I forget the exact numbers used in the show, but it's something like 200% larger than originally built.
Has it occurred to you that in space, "up" can be in any direction you wish, hence the floors could conceivably run from the front to the rear of the ship ? Obviously, there is some kind of artificial gravity at work, so it could be aligned in whichever direction made most sense to the ship's operation.
Interesting how you did the maths there, it makes me think that the stated 5 mile length of Babylon 5 may also be just the habitable part which rotates, not the stations entire framework. I always found it interesting that both things were so similar in size. As for Ben Nevis fitting inside, wasn't that kind of the idea? It is a mining ship after all.
Very fair point! I have recently watched a couple of vids about ships and realised there is a difference for ships built to withstand crossing oceans! well spotted!
Minor point you might have missed: There are a lot less decks than floors, with a huge part of the ship being the cargo or support decks each of which can span hundreds of floors. Since we know for sure there's an Aand Z deck it makes sense to say there's 26 decks, each at least 100 floors for 2,600 floors minimum. According to the books it's 6 miles long, 5 miles high, and 4 miles wide, without counting the observational areas(the bits that stick out). This isn't cannon, but I thought I'd mention it since it's the closest anyone has come to giving a cannon answer.
It's much smaller if you scale it by lister being about a third of the height of the width of the line of the F he's painting on the ship in the intro.
this is exactly what I thought, the space-painter would be massively out of proportion with regards to these calculations. I guess they hadn't decided on the size of the ship when they made that intro
In a Sci-fi series I'm working on, I came up with a vessel, well it is eight individual ships connected together, with each one about 50 kilometers long and 10 kilometers in diameter.
Kind of impressive that the deck height calculation worked out to such a reasonable number, when you wouldn't imagine that it was thought through at all, and those were probably numbers plucked out of the air for maximum comic effect.
5:40 i’m not British, and it’s probably been 15 years if not more since I’ve seen EastEnders. And yet, to my own surprise, I can still hum the tune, I even remember where the claps are. 😂
If you’re interested... Using the measurements on Red Dwarf wiki, and assuming the width as the season 8 ship is the same width as the original, using the Corgi model as a basis... I calculated the length of the long version of the ship as 29.4km or 18.3 miles. I got bored one evening...
Alternatively, the decks could go front-to-back. Gravity in space is flexible, after all. 5 miles long, roughly 3000 floors, that gives us more than 8.5 feet per floor. That's easily doable - average UK ceiling height is less than that. I can see plenty of other commenters have mentioned it already too :)
@@RedDwarfNerd it'll never happen but id love them to have to go back to say their series 3 quarters for an episode to find something they left there or to hide from an intruder or something
@@RedDwarfNerdthe books are amazing, and the audiobooks are even better because they're read by Chris Barrie and he does voices for all the characters, really flexing his impersonator muscles. Assuming you haven't already done vids covering them, I'd love to see that.
Is it ever established in cannon that the decks run along the ship? I always thought they mightve been stacked vertically from engine to ram scoop. That way the engine's thrust could simulate gravity.
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If the floors were stacked on top of each other from the ram scoop to the engine then you could get the floors in without cheating a little.. Although we do see the floors level with the horizontal portion in the opening credits.
Yeah, this is an idea I've seen floated about quite a bit, it kinda turns red dwarf into a more conventional stacked rocket shape. TBH it is a possible one, although I think the wording would then shift to be 'a spaceship 5 miles TALL' rather than long.
One way to compare the size might be to use the image of the guy painting the F in Red Dwarf in the first intro, and comparing it then to the guy you see in one of the Babylon 5 intros on the front of the station, as we know Babylon 5 is 5 miles long canonically.
6.5ft per floor, that seems quite small. You know the average standard door height ist 6.6ft right? None of the rooms in Red Dwarf appear to have ceilings this low
@@RedDwarfNerd Aye, that is how ram scoops work, drawing in stellar matter and compressing it into a useful form, I just didn't think that was was one on front of the small rouge one given the gaps in the sides.
To be fair, cat isn’t that clever so he could have just been making a point or just wrong. I’d say a better measure is lister painting the letters at the start of the intro
Surely the best way to actually measure it, is from the part where the letters are being painted. Using 6ft for the size of the person, you should be able to get a rough estimate.
Yeah, that would be a good way. The trouble is that the person (usually presumed to be Lister) had to be filmed/framed in a way that makes them far to tall, making the ship really small.
@MaxDecimus13 the problem with the opening titles ship painting, is that it actually makes the ship way too small. It would wind up being nowhere near any measurement ever quoted onscreen.
Ah that's interesting. Although, on my old BBC dvd's the subtitles are terribly written and barely match the dialogue, which makes me question if the translations had much effort put in either!?
@@RedDwarfNerd I can tell you from experience that the Japanese dubb is very accurate. Although NHK did cut the episodes a lot. I wrote two whole pages about it on the tongue tied wiki. Thanks very much for the very informative video! Subscribed!
So you are starting with a likely-hyperbolic description from Cat as your basis? We can see how big a fella is compared to the lettering, and should start there. Then we don't need to "divide two point free six" anything.
I have just begun rewatching red dwarf for the first time since I was a child in the 90s, love it! This link is a vid comparing various starship sizes th-cam.com/video/tG8uC24Gbos/w-d-xo.html
Most of the scenes show a much higher ceiling. There are areas much smaller like tunnels they have been trapped in but, also absolutely huge areas where a cat can get his groove on.. No one told me there would be math.😜
Red Dwarf can not be 5 miles long no matter HOW you measure it. In the opening credits of Series 1, Dave Lister is seen outside the ship with a broom painting the F of 'Dwarf'. He is shown (including the spacesuit) to be about half the size of the cross-line halfway up the F. Comparing the height of Lister to the length of the ship, it can NOT be more than 2,0000 FEET long and 1,100 FEET high. No matter what mathematics you use, you cannot get anywhere ONE mile never mind five. Also, IF Lister is the last human in the Universe, WHY did the ship keep changing appearance? WHO made the changes and where? None of it adds up. Still, it is a classic show and needs to brought back, How about a PROPER feature film?
Rimmer's line to Kryten "Scrub the diesel deck, all 5 miles!" supports only the habitable area counting.
Absolutly, plus, if I remember correctly, doesn't the cat looking for toilet paper say he's 'damn near walked 5miles'?
Plus rimmer isn’t always right so that could be miles off
@@Alphoric There isn't a single reliable narrator in the entire thing, we have two vending machine maintenance operatives, a "senile" computer who's files if they ever contained the information may have been corrupted since, a salvaged sanitation droid from another ship and the cat .. none of them might naturally be expected to have the education, training or background to be reliably expected to necessarily have (ever) had any of the science behind any of the ships systems etc or even entirely accurate information on the ships general specs accept Holly who's specifically stated to be 'senile' and repeatedly demonstrated to be an unreliable source of information .. and they are our only informants in the show which makes the writers job in this respect really easy, they can have the characters tell us anything and never have to (really) "retcon" anything as such because nothing they say to each other or tell us about any of that can really be assumed be to be 100% true or accurate 😁 if they say anything that doesn't make sense and it gets pointed out they can just shrug and say "well he doesn't know does he, he got it wrong, you expect a soup dispenser repair man to know that?" 😁
The little guy painting the name on the ship must have been king Kong by this scale.
I think that's supposed to be Lister you see painting the ship's name in the Intro sequence.
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No, in order for the ship to be 5 miles long Lister would have to be the size of a mouse
The size of the small crimson one was what i loved about watching red dwarf. I loved the idea of wandering around a city sized deserted space ship.
I think the same, the size really fuels your imagination for what life on board must have been like
They are in space so the 'bottom' may be the end with the engine so the average floor height would be 3.11m
I've had a few people suggest this now, I'll have to look into the possibility!
Yep, makes sense the back of the ship would be 'down'..
We don't ever see the ship spinning to provide centrifugal force so presumably there is supposed to be some other sort of artificial gravity in use .. yes it's big enough to have 'a little' gravity of its own but that would be pretty negligible so they have something providing the gravity allowing everyone to walk around normally just like they would if they're on earth..
Whatever it is is going to require power and adjustment against other forces like acceleration and those adjustments and the power requirements will necessarily be less if the gravity is aligned with the back of the ship being 'down'.
This assumes their observed gravity isn't meant to be entirely due to acceleration of course .. which would mean they are constantly at 1G acceleration throughout the entire series .. which also makes the back of the ship 'down' of course.
And then there's my favourite theory, they just said lets just make the damn thing and ignore the gravity (if they even thought about it all before any viewers started asking about it), if anyone asks we can just say it's artificial gravity and not worry about explaining how it works, Lister and Rimmer wouldn't know, Holly is 'senile' and has forgotten the 'science' behind it (if it was ever in his files to start with) so there's no one in the show who can reasonably be expected to be able to explain it to the audience so we don't have to 😁
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5 miles divided by a more normal seven foot 6 inches room and corridor height gives us up to 3520 floors.
Thats how the ships in The Expanse simulate gravity, with a constant accrleration of 1g.
@@pelinoregeryon6593 Or just go with the BSG line: there just is gravity inside the ships, don't think about it. 😏
@@Tao_Tology Yes, but I already functionally said that didn't I > "And then there's my favourite theory, they just said lets just make the damn thing and ignore the gravity"
This is an amazing channel. So glad I found it. RD brings me back to late Friday nights as a kid. Lived in Ireland but had all the UK channels. Red Dwarf. Films like London Kills Me and Naked. TV shows like Eurotrash, Bottom, Never Mind the Buzzcocks. Mtv Europe Beavis and Butthead, Aeon Flux and the Maxx...luckily I had a TV for my Mega Drive(then Saturn and PSX) and the 'pipe' we called it ran into my room for Rte1, Rte2, (TV3 in 99!), BBC 1&2, UTV(itv but Ulster variant. Essentially the same), Channel 4, MTV, TCC, Sky 1 and finally Eurosport. That was 'Cablelink' in Ireland at the time.
Red Dwarf has such a strong place in my memories from 8-15, so 92-99.
I love how your present the videos, your enthusiasm, your excellent research, your encyclopedic knowledge of the show, your editing...its all flawless 👌
Really glad you enjoyed it, hoping to get some more theory vids out soon!
Great video, the heights of the floor could be even bigger if the elevator runs down the length of the ship.
Amazing video. This is a fantastic channel. Whenever I see the opening for series 1 and 2 I can’t help but ponder the size of Lister compared to the letters ‘RED DWARF’ let alone the ship entirely. Lister’s height seems roughly to be half of the font’s thickness. I’m sure there’s some clever mathematics which could be done to try and figure out the size of the ship just using the visual clues of Lister painting. Of course, it’d further be really quite interesting to know how it compares to the size which you have figured out in this video. What do you think?
Yeah I did think of doing it from that point of view, but the scale gets even more skewed as Lister is too big for the ship to be 5miles! The remastered blu ray opening has Lister at a better scale if memory serves.
@@RedDwarfNerd The sign is also much smaller on the remastered model, so that further tilts the scales.
Have you done a video covering the interior sets during Series 1-5? Like the sleeping quarters, drive room, science lab, medical unit, corridors, refectory etc.? Always wondered if the Series 3-5 interiors are meant to be the same as Series 1-2 heavily refurbished or if the guys moved out of their old quarters as they had free access to the whole ship. I like to think the latter since Red Dwarf is meant to be large with so many floors.
I've not done that as a video, but I should! Spoiler: its supposed to be that they moved themselves up market into the officers quarters 😊
@@RedDwarfNerd Ah okay, I figured that. Thanks.
It’d be interesting to see red dwarf compared to other ship’s from Sci fi series, such as the enterprise 😁
Yeah, that would be cool... although most other things would like tiny compared to the dwarf!
The TOS Enterprise was ~450m, so about two Titanics, so would also disappear against the Dwarf.
With that in mind, I was thinking about the size of ships for my own Sci-fi stories a few years back, when I walked to work amongst some warehouses and truck stops. Some of the 3-4 storey warehouses (those are storeys for big crates, too, not people!) could do backflips in the internal volume of a 1500m long chisel-like ship. In Red Dwarf you could get 22 of them to play a footy match!
It would be interesting to compare real-life spaceships and fictional space ships.
The Saturn V would be a good starting point. And the ISS of course. Compare that to the most iconic fictional space ships, like the TOS Enterprise, the TNG Enterprise, DS9, the Star Destroyers from Star Wars, the Battlestar Galactica, and several ships from Perry Rhodan, starting with the Marco Polo and the Sol. Red Dwarf is not as long as the Sol, but bulkier, so would top it in volume.
If you Google Space Ship Size comparison, there is an image that includes Red Dwarf, but there are some even bigger ships out there! RD looks small by comparison!
@@worldcomicsreview354 TOS Enterprise actually more like 947 to 1085 feet, by most estimates. So from 288 to 327 or so meters.
In the novel they have golf carts or something to get around on the ship with, which makes sense with this size of ship.
@02:34 6.52ft for a room height is extremely low. The measurements I've seen online say the ship is 6 miles (10 km) long, 5 miles (8 km) tall, and 4 miles (6 km) wide. If you divide 5 miles by 3000 floors, which it also says there is, you get an average room height of 8.8ft which is much closer to the scenes in the show and a realistic room height. The references in the TV show suggest the ship length is 5 miles long, but if you take out the areas where crew cant get too easily e.g. the engine/afterburners, then this would also make sense for them to say it was 5 miles instead of 6. :) Love your channel btw! :)
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It's been at least 20 years since I read the books, but if I recall it was 3x2 miles there, too. And are we sure the decks are built across the ship and not vertically, as that would allow plenty of room for those several thousand floors.
Yeah, the vertical floor idea has been suggested a few times, I'll have to do an episode looking at this one.
the size of the Dwarf makes sense, it is a mining ship, if you couldn't mine more than a couple of buckets, it would not be profitable:
Now, hauling an entire Mt. Everest home in your belly... Now that is opportunity
Ha, I actually have a video in the pipeline looking at how massive the ship is compared to its tiny crew size and why its so darn huge!
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IIRC the crew has a huge crew...Granted most of them are scutters.
Well it did have an asteroid sticking out of it's belly being mined.
What about taking the height of Lister when he’s painting the RedDwarf logo and scaling that to find the true size of the ship?
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Great video! Loved your example of the Humber Bridge; as a fellow commuter to the North Bank every day certainly puts it into perspective!
Glad you enjoyed it! Yeah, I thought it would make a good comparison, now if only I could figure out why the bridge has been down to one lane for over a year that would be helpful! :-)
@@RedDwarfNerd Oh I wish I knew why it was one lane too! I wouldn’t mind if you could actually see people working there! I’d understand it more! Lol.
Now I'm interested in seeing the sizes of the other Red Dwarfs
That could be very interesting, the series 8 version either has to be massively longer, or far less tall!
@@RedDwarfNerd By the way - did you figure out how big Starbug is?
Seems to grow quite a bit between 'Backwards' and 'Tikka to Ride' Remastered.
Might max out at 120 ft, say, even 150.
@@chrissonofpear1384 I believe they said that the the time drive caused a singularity inside the bug, causing it's interior to be much larger than how it was originally built. In real life, this was because the writers wanted more to work with than just the fairly titchy Starbug. In the show, they do use the space for a lot of different things.
Think of it like the TARDIS. The exterior of Starbug remained the same, but the time drive caused a sort of pocket dimension that was much larger on the interior of Starbug. I forget the exact numbers used in the show, but it's something like 200% larger than originally built.
Has it occurred to you that in space, "up" can be in any direction you wish, hence the floors could conceivably run from the front to the rear of the ship ?
Obviously, there is some kind of artificial gravity at work, so it could be aligned in whichever direction made most sense to the ship's operation.
Interesting how you did the maths there, it makes me think that the stated 5 mile length of Babylon 5 may also be just the habitable part which rotates, not the stations entire framework. I always found it interesting that both things were so similar in size. As for Ben Nevis fitting inside, wasn't that kind of the idea? It is a mining ship after all.
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Great video!
Just one note, technically the Titanic was an ocean liner, not a cruise ship.
Very fair point! I have recently watched a couple of vids about ships and realised there is a difference for ships built to withstand crossing oceans! well spotted!
1:48 rotate the decks 90° clockwise and you'll get you correct deck height.
Yeah, I've seen a diagrams people have made suggesting that, I'll have to look into that one more closely!
Minor point you might have missed:
There are a lot less decks than floors, with a huge part of the ship being the cargo or support decks each of which can span hundreds of floors.
Since we know for sure there's an Aand Z deck it makes sense to say there's 26 decks, each at least 100 floors for 2,600 floors minimum.
According to the books it's 6 miles long, 5 miles high, and 4 miles wide, without counting the observational areas(the bits that stick out). This isn't cannon, but I thought I'd mention it since it's the closest anyone has come to giving a cannon answer.
It also says in the red dwarf season 1 documentary they say it a huge 5 mile long ship
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Christ, i didn't realise how big it was , trying comparing with star wars ships to show awesome scale
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That's a crazy good video!
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It's much smaller if you scale it by lister being about a third of the height of the width of the line of the F he's painting on the ship in the intro.
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this is exactly what I thought, the space-painter would be massively out of proportion with regards to these calculations. I guess they hadn't decided on the size of the ship when they made that intro
No, the trick is to scale Lister based on the ship being 5 miles, I never realized that Lister was 300 feet tall, but math is math🤷♂️
That's how I measured it back when the VHS tapes came out, the ship was only a couple miles long if I recall!
In a Sci-fi series I'm working on, I came up with a vessel, well it is eight individual ships connected together, with each one about 50 kilometers long and 10 kilometers in diameter.
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Noice video nice work I see you put time and effort into this stuff keep it up
Thanks so much, tbh, compared to the rigmoral of having to film guitars, vids on this channel are comparitivly low effort! 😂
Kind of impressive that the deck height calculation worked out to such a reasonable number, when you wouldn't imagine that it was thought through at all, and those were probably numbers plucked out of the air for maximum comic effect.
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Brilliant!
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6:41 provided that the camera's pov is stationary
That's very true, the camera could be said to be a on a craft traveling away from red dwarf.
the paint needed for the ship must be super heavier
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5:40 i’m not British, and it’s probably been 15 years if not more since I’ve seen EastEnders. And yet, to my own surprise, I can still hum the tune, I even remember where the claps are. 😂
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Something that always kind of bugged me is they remained roommates when each of them could have gotten a luxury suite.
Covered by the reason Rimmer was even brought back- to stop Dave going mad from loneliness
@@lb9147 That wouldn't explain why they continued to be room mates. It doesn't matter, you can't take a comedy science fiction show seriously.
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@@RedDwarfNerd The 4 books are available here as audio books, just a FYI.
If you’re interested... Using the measurements on Red Dwarf wiki, and assuming the width as the season 8 ship is the same width as the original, using the Corgi model as a basis... I calculated the length of the long version of the ship as 29.4km or 18.3 miles. I got bored one evening...
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Alternatively, the decks could go front-to-back. Gravity in space is flexible, after all. 5 miles long, roughly 3000 floors, that gives us more than 8.5 feet per floor. That's easily doable - average UK ceiling height is less than that.
I can see plenty of other commenters have mentioned it already too :)
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I always knew it was city size but they chose to stick together...as you would.
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I want them to do a episode showing the gardens inside red dwarf
That would be cool, tbh I'd be happy with any extra detail beyond the usual quarters and the prison!
@@RedDwarfNerd it'll never happen but id love them to have to go back to say their series 3 quarters for an episode to find something they left there or to hide from an intruder or something
If you read the novels of red dwarf, they have the size and dimensions in one of the books.
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@@RedDwarfNerdthe books are amazing, and the audiobooks are even better because they're read by Chris Barrie and he does voices for all the characters, really flexing his impersonator muscles.
Assuming you haven't already done vids covering them, I'd love to see that.
Very interesting video, not sure the writers actually thought about this
I recon they would of had dimensions in their heads, but the miniature guys probably just made the ship however was most convenient!
The book has some calculations and comparisons about the size and volume, so the writers certainly thought about this.
Is it ever established in cannon that the decks run along the ship? I always thought they mightve been stacked vertically from engine to ram scoop. That way the engine's thrust could simulate gravity.
I was going to say this! maybe its like ships in The Expanse
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Another fantastic video I love the vids you upload that make the dwarf feels real and alive
You mean it's not real!?... 😂😂😂
@@RedDwarfNerd I suppose considering it is set in the future it’s more accurate to say not real yet 😂
@@jacobleetaylor phew! You had me worried there for a min! 😂
@@RedDwarfNerd Don’t worry bud I saw it in a future echo 😂
Great video, but I don't think you really ended up talking about the novels? 🤔
So, how big are Copenhagen and Helsingør, anyway? 🙂
Thanks for the video, I wonder what kind of area you’d be looking at for 2,000+ floors of 5 miles x 3 miles worth of floor space?
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Cat has lived inside the ship it's all life so 5 miles habitable area makes sense.
yeah, it needs to be really big for the cat race to be possible
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If the floors were stacked on top of each other from the ram scoop to the engine then you could get the floors in without cheating a little.. Although we do see the floors level with the horizontal portion in the opening credits.
Yeah, this is an idea I've seen floated about quite a bit, it kinda turns red dwarf into a more conventional stacked rocket shape. TBH it is a possible one, although I think the wording would then shift to be 'a spaceship 5 miles TALL' rather than long.
@@RedDwarfNerd 5 miles tall or long, and there still isn't enough sockets in the scanner room!
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One way to compare the size might be to use the image of the guy painting the F in Red Dwarf in the first intro, and comparing it then to the guy you see in one of the Babylon 5 intros on the front of the station, as we know Babylon 5 is 5 miles long canonically.
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I’m sure you could have calculated the size of the ship from the size of the person painting the letter in the name in the opening sequence
Don't forget the Paint.. painting the ship was soo bad, it was a punishment. 3 Weeks PD aka Painting Deck.
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Cool video. Nice one.
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6.5ft per floor, that seems quite small. You know the average standard door height ist 6.6ft right?
None of the rooms in Red Dwarf appear to have ceilings this low
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In Future Echoes Holly describes Red Dwarf as "the size of a city"
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Ram scoop? I thought that thing was to catch asteroids.
The books describe it as taking in particles from space to use for propulsion somehow. :-)
@@RedDwarfNerd Aye, that is how ram scoops work, drawing in stellar matter and compressing it into a useful form, I just didn't think that was was one on front of the small rouge one given the gaps in the sides.
Internally 5 miles long...but how thick is the hull, especially at the bow (front) and stern (back)? Would that make any difference
The height probably doesn't include the skyscrapers.
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To be fair, cat isn’t that clever so he could have just been making a point or just wrong. I’d say a better measure is lister painting the letters at the start of the intro
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Or use the man painting the the outside of the ship on the opening titles for scale
It’s five miles, it says in the book
Fair deal!
Surely the best way to actually measure it, is from the part where the letters are being painted. Using 6ft for the size of the person, you should be able to get a rough estimate.
Yeah, that would be a good way. The trouble is that the person (usually presumed to be Lister) had to be filmed/framed in a way that makes them far to tall, making the ship really small.
@@RedDwarfNerd That is just a maintenance hologram
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@MaxDecimus13 the problem with the opening titles ship painting, is that it actually makes the ship way too small. It would wind up being nowhere near any measurement ever quoted onscreen.
Um... What about Lister on p.d.? Paint detail? The scale of him and the ship's name?
I did think of that one, I think I'll have to look at that in its own video as from memory it's quite a different scale (listers far too big)!
@@RedDwarfNerd Thanks, Good work on the video...
6.5 feet per deck? Do the floors have no thickness?
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Random question, you wouldn't be able to tell me the name of that "fact file" font, would you? Thanks
5 mile is the elevator distance, its not the width. Imagine popping it on the engine exhaust bell housing and the ram scoop is the top deck.
No wonder they call you “Red Dwarf Nerd” you’re good at Math, better math then me..l
Ha, I had to use a calculator and a lot of help from Google! :-)
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You should just scale the ship by the dude painting the lettering in the intro sequence.
Boys from the Dwarf.
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Great video but in other languages cat says 10 kilometers instead of 5 miles. That would mean the ship is 15,98km.
And that's a long boi.
Ah that's interesting. Although, on my old BBC dvd's the subtitles are terribly written and barely match the dialogue, which makes me question if the translations had much effort put in either!?
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You would probably need about 800 years to build something like this.
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so red dwarf is slightly biggers than babylon 5?
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red dwarf is the size of a small city.
I'm genuinely curious due to the size of the ship. How much destruction it could make should it crash on the planet
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Would earth have enough metal for this or is the ore mined from elsewhere??
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So it's big then?
Ha, yeah, big, red and ugly! :-)
So you are starting with a likely-hyperbolic description from Cat as your basis? We can see how big a fella is compared to the lettering, and should start there. Then we don't need to "divide two point free six" anything.
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I have just begun rewatching red dwarf for the first time since I was a child in the 90s, love it! This link is a vid comparing various starship sizes
th-cam.com/video/tG8uC24Gbos/w-d-xo.html
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Most of the scenes show a much higher ceiling. There are areas much smaller like tunnels they have been trapped in but, also absolutely huge areas where a cat can get his groove on.. No one told me there would be math.😜
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I came here after watching top seven most durable ships in SF and they didn't even mention Red Dwarf. What a heretics.
It ain’t idiot proof. Case in point, Rimmer and Lister.
You are taking the CATS word as Gospel?
1 x Copenhagen
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Red Dwarf can not be 5 miles long no matter HOW you measure it. In the opening credits of Series 1, Dave Lister is seen outside the ship with a broom painting the F of 'Dwarf'. He is shown (including the spacesuit) to be about half the size of the cross-line halfway up the F. Comparing the height of Lister to the length of the ship, it can NOT be more than 2,0000 FEET long and 1,100 FEET high. No matter what mathematics you use, you cannot get anywhere ONE mile never mind five.
Also, IF Lister is the last human in the Universe, WHY did the ship keep changing appearance? WHO made the changes and where? None of it adds up.
Still, it is a classic show and needs to brought back, How about a PROPER feature film?
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You could take the number of decks seriously.. or you could treat it as BS.. Umm...
This video needs metric, granddad
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Unfortunately you fell at the first hurdle. You got your data from cat. Not exactly the most intelligent of the crew
That is bullshit; a lot of the rooms are taller than maybe 7 meters.
The Cat is not a smart person.
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Just think how much fun it'd be to explore. You'd never run out doors to force open or seldom used corridors to wander down.
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