Update: "Wind Waker" Without the Ocean

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  • @warlandheroes6394
    @warlandheroes6394 ปีที่แล้ว +3347

    Kakariko under windfall works really well, great idea

    • @firionkaiser8291
      @firionkaiser8291 ปีที่แล้ว +207

      It's been commonly theorized to the point that everyone assumes so that Windfall was once Kakariko Village before Hyrule flooded.
      Reasons being how close it is to Dragon Roost Island which is seen as Death Mountain, the windmill and the theme of Windfall is a sped up (I think remixed if I remember right) version of Kakariko's theme. Always made sense to me because of these reasons.
      Later on the Encyclopedia would confirm Windfall Island is Kakariko Village (though it also says Zora's Domain is Dragon Roost Island).

    • @warlandheroes6394
      @warlandheroes6394 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@firionkaiser8291 I just sort of figured that windfall was the hero of wind's kakariko, like botw kakariko and oot kakariko aren't the same kakariko even though they're both kakariko. I would have assumed that kakariko would be by fire isle or dragon roost or it would be the kakriko from a different game. It just looks good connected to windfall like that

    • @patrickshaw411
      @patrickshaw411 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@firionkaiser8291 Zora's Domain I can kind of see since the Rito came from the Zoras. (I think the Gods changed them so they wouldn't swim to Hyrule) Zora's Domain was right next to death mountain in OoT, but it certainly wasn't on the mountain. Wonder if it was a mistranslation

    • @firionkaiser8291
      @firionkaiser8291 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@patrickshaw411 I just assumed that they migrated over when the flood happened. Though the map used for this project and my novel for instance, though not canon, we know Zora's Domain did exist thanks to Laruto. I always assumed the domain wasn't high enough so they fled to Death Mountain where the Gorons live.
      It may be mistranslation though the book also stated that Death Mountain is Fire Island in Wind Waker (Fire Mountain in the map used in the unflooded hyrule map). Of course this is all fan interpretation so it's debatable.

    • @RustyNips
      @RustyNips ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I do t remember position but I feel ice island would be a good fit for zoras domain if it didn't get to completely thaw out

  • @sirtexthesilly
    @sirtexthesilly ปีที่แล้ว +3993

    rip whoever had to drink all that water

    • @ElainaLycan
      @ElainaLycan ปีที่แล้ว +762

      BadlandsChugs has our backs!

    • @witchofweast3101
      @witchofweast3101 ปีที่แล้ว +287

      Ganondorf (it's how he got rehydrated)

    • @zacwhite1913
      @zacwhite1913 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      @@ElainaLycan Enough talk......

    • @daimao5184
      @daimao5184 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      ​@@zacwhite1913*slow, yet deep exhale*

    • @themindeclectic9821
      @themindeclectic9821 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Drinked You Guy from tumblr

  • @CZsWorld
    @CZsWorld ปีที่แล้ว +2411

    Imagine if you drained it and it was just the Breath of the Wild map

    • @danielblaga6137
      @danielblaga6137 ปีที่แล้ว +103

      I mean, from the way it looked, it didn't seem too far

    • @crystalalumina
      @crystalalumina ปีที่แล้ว +67

      Wouldn't be surprised, I mean even the Twilight Princess map has some resemble to it

    • @newtybot
      @newtybot ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Thats how Legend of Zelda works, yes-

    • @WavyHabbits777
      @WavyHabbits777 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@danielblaga6137You make an OG Zelda fan cry…..its more like Ocarina Of Time….

    • @Zellonous
      @Zellonous ปีที่แล้ว +54

      ​@@WavyHabbits777as it should as it is canonically the OoT Hyrule under the water.

  • @lukestarkiller1470
    @lukestarkiller1470 ปีที่แล้ว +918

    Seeing Kakariko village in the Wind Waker style is surreal, but really cool

  • @FeliksOnline
    @FeliksOnline ปีที่แล้ว +31

    This is what Ganondorf wanted and we have killed him for it...
    What a martyr, truly...

    • @wanderingmarshadow
      @wanderingmarshadow ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Well, considering this *is* Ganondorf we're talking about, he also miiiight have wanted to rule over the freshly unearthed Hyrule with an iron fist, so...

  • @MariaSky7579
    @MariaSky7579 ปีที่แล้ว +387

    I was not expecting something so complex, this is straight genius😊
    Outset Island and Windfall Island captivated me the most and I love how you used the idea that Windfall was once apart of Kakariko Village💕

    • @StanleyNumber427
      @StanleyNumber427 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That explains why Windfall's theme is just sped up Kakariko Village theme.

    • @MariaSky7579
      @MariaSky7579 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@StanleyNumber427 More like an upbeat version of Kakariko Village's theme. Between the music and the windmill that now doubles as a lighthouse due to the game's ocean gimmick, it's clear what Nintendo was trying to hint at🙂

  • @ianjones6w
    @ianjones6w ปีที่แล้ว +405

    I've always thought about what the temples looked like under the water since it's implied in the games that they are on the peaks of mountains. This is a super cool project!

  • @VoiceActorYourNameHere
    @VoiceActorYourNameHere ปีที่แล้ว +20

    That redead statue under stone watcher isle looks amazing!!

  • @xdragoonzero0
    @xdragoonzero0 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Seeing this makes me realize that WW definitely should've had larger islands.
    It could've also really used Great Fish Isle being intact with a dungeon, both for game pacing reasons and to have another hub area (like Castle Town and Kakariko in OoT and TP).

    • @-liomus-8197
      @-liomus-8197 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      it def was supposed to have two lore dungeons, but those damn cuts huh

    • @xdragoonzero0
      @xdragoonzero0 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@-liomus-8197
      It's an even bigger shame since the Great Fish dungeon probably would've been the Water one, and with how water works in Wind Waker it would've been the first instance of a 2d-style water dungeon in a 3d Zelda game.

  • @TheObsessiveGamer
    @TheObsessiveGamer ปีที่แล้ว +446

    Love seeing this progress! Hope to see you release this too one day. Would love to play this! What amazes me is how much it starts to resemble BOTW.

    • @AeroAngel111
      @AeroAngel111 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I MUST play in this entire world

    • @firionkaiser8291
      @firionkaiser8291 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      The guy who created the map this overworld to be is actually based on admitted that he took some inspirations from BotW when he made it so you'll see why it does resemble BotW. He's a really chill guy, he even let me use his map as a basis for my Hero of the Flood novel that I've been working on since 2018.
      I think he does Zelda theories now.

    • @hylianro
      @hylianro ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Nah it resembles ocarina of time's map at a larger scale

    • @DogsRNice
      @DogsRNice ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@hylianroto be fair so does botw

    • @julienossola
      @julienossola ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@firionkaiser8291 Im interested on your Hero of the Flood novel! Where can I get updates? Thank you!

  • @carnatron
    @carnatron ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a perfect Mighty Thirsty commercial. Phenomenal job.

  • @jacobo.6744
    @jacobo.6744 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "It's all Hyrule?" "Always has been."

  • @gamerzan953
    @gamerzan953 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Water sinking from each island "wow that's really cool."
    Angry statue man emerges from beneath the waves "GOOD HEAVENS THE HELL IS THAT!?"

  • @zeldahero5990
    @zeldahero5990 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    Dude... This is so cool! Keep up the great work, I can't wait to see the finished project!

  • @AlvarHanso84
    @AlvarHanso84 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the sequel we need! The Legend of Zelda: The Forgotten Lands

  • @LordLemmysLabs
    @LordLemmysLabs ปีที่แล้ว +120

    I love the idea of Kakariko being under windfall... My only gripe is that it's so close to the surface of the ocean. I would imagine it should be closer in depth to Hyrule Castle is. And based on the cut scene of Link traveling to the castle for the first time, it seems much deeper.

    • @Tito151
      @Tito151 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      Kakariko is a mountain village so it makes sense to not be too deep.

    • @JBLZFTW
      @JBLZFTW ปีที่แล้ว +17

      suspend disbelief for this feeble childs game

    • @Lysvsyl
      @Lysvsyl ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JBLZFTW I'm sure the creators appreciate that you don't think the quality of their work matters because it's a children's game.

    • @Logicalleaping
      @Logicalleaping ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the tower of the gods is above hyrule castle but doesn't touch the surface, clearly windwaker got it wrong as well. I always thought that the ocean in WW was just a barrier anyway and not as deep as indicated by the floating under the water cutscene.

    • @TD0150
      @TD0150 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I always assumed the gods terraformed the land to have high enough peaks to sustain human civilization during the flood

  • @brendensmith3083
    @brendensmith3083 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Some of those places I'm thinking "no way is it that close to the surface", but... yeah wow in Wind Waker's style, that's probably accurate.

    • @HzizsVynryn
      @HzizsVynryn ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I had the same thought, but sometimes the grapple hook will find ground within a second of using it so I get the impression that the Great Sea isn't very deep.

    • @digiquo8143
      @digiquo8143 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HzizsVynryn well it needs to be pretty deep at least in most of it in order for large vessels like the pirate ship to even be able to traverse it without running aground. The fact there's as many "mountain peaks" in Hyrule that would make wind wakers topography possible implies that the gods also threw a metric fuck ton of plate tectonic movement/earthquakes at them as well, because most of these locales are far removed from their original locations or at much too high an elevation. The sunken Hyrule theory would've been proven long ago even by just casual divers and swimmers in this scenario.
      Also, we even get a cutscene showing just how far beneath the surface most of Hyrule is.

  • @papermario4789
    @papermario4789 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Very cool. This is also lore accurate, from what I've read on the Hyrule Enciclopedia!

  • @iusedtomakefandubswheniwas3052
    @iusedtomakefandubswheniwas3052 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagine that the water starts to drain after defeating Ganon, and start a new adventure with new temples and new locations.

  • @nebulous9280
    @nebulous9280 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagine if someone made this model into a full fledged rom hack for WW. New Quests, story, animations, dungeons, puzzles, etc. I'd play the heck out of that.

  • @JosephShemelewski
    @JosephShemelewski ปีที่แล้ว +61

    This is incredible imagine it playable and populated with stuff to do but even just seeing it like this is amazing

  • @TheGoblinsWithin
    @TheGoblinsWithin ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Seeing my favorite game of all time transformed like this is so amazing. Kakariko under windfall is SO sick (though it makes death mountain being dragon roost impossible but I digress). I'm loving this project and I'd love to be able to one day play a romhack using these versions of the islands. Keep up the great work!!

    • @narutosbelievin
      @narutosbelievin ปีที่แล้ว

      It still can. Wind Waker’s map is bigger than OoTs so it makes sense that things are different.

  • @Webberjo
    @Webberjo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First I saw the water going down, then I saw the land coming up. Optical illusions are great.

    • @windwakerhyrule
      @windwakerhyrule  ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting. Makes sense, since the water is just a flat color, it offers no context clues for distance

  • @ilikestuff9250
    @ilikestuff9250 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thats incredible. Its like the sketches of Hyrule unflooded that I used to make. Hyrule Hystoria has a pre flooding image as well.

    • @windwakerhyrule
      @windwakerhyrule  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      that’s sick - are your sketches public?

    • @ilikestuff9250
      @ilikestuff9250 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@windwakerhyrule Amateurish as hell so no. They were mostly based on The Hyrule Historia sketches anyway

  • @Sera12105
    @Sera12105 ปีที่แล้ว

    jaw? dropped the whole time. this looks freaking AMAZING???

  • @Instafail
    @Instafail ปีที่แล้ว

    I love Wind Waker a lot.
    And it seems to me that you do too.
    Thanks for making this.

  • @HarmonyMoonbeam024
    @HarmonyMoonbeam024 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ok, Kakariko underneath Windfall straight up blew my mind for how well that worked out

  • @Lampaluile
    @Lampaluile ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Omg this is crazy! Wind Waker DLC in 2023. Incredible

  • @TrashZora
    @TrashZora ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This looks actually incredible, would love to see a rom hack using the final version

  • @noaag
    @noaag ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Hadn't heard of this project before, and guessed from the title that this would be a Boundary Break type video. Pleasantly surprised! This looks awesome and I am excited to see more developments.

  • @TheGasMan666
    @TheGasMan666 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    _What sorcery is this!?_
    Seriously though this is insanely cool! Ive beaten WW so many times so to see the world transform like that is incredible.

  • @princeapoopoo5787
    @princeapoopoo5787 ปีที่แล้ว

    So very nice of you to grant Ganondorf's wish for him

  • @lunarkomet
    @lunarkomet ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Goosebumps... this feels like such an epic undertaking

  • @nevercanyoucant
    @nevercanyoucant ปีที่แล้ว

    wicked cool and captivating project. Kakariko under windfall.... magic...

  • @DarrienGlasser
    @DarrienGlasser ปีที่แล้ว

    My man becoming Ganon and restoring Hyrule to its previous glory

  • @Atlasamsung
    @Atlasamsung ปีที่แล้ว

    I know I’m late but I’m in love with this already

  • @wizardwhen
    @wizardwhen ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wow id never even think of this but this is cool, keep it up!

  • @BanjoDave
    @BanjoDave ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the way i actually gasped

  • @CapricornGilbert
    @CapricornGilbert 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is how I pictured Wind Waker to be as a kid honestly but if they made a sequel they could use an idea like this

  • @AlexxxMYLSince2013
    @AlexxxMYLSince2013 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its crazy that Kakarico's buildings are in perfect shape after thousands of years underwater xD

  • @jacobbest8533
    @jacobbest8533 ปีที่แล้ว

    when i saw the title i thought "oh that leaves so much space to add in new content I should go give a suggestion" and then pogged so fucking hard when i saw the extra houses outside of outset isle

  • @markskirby
    @markskirby ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This makes me want to explore wind waker again so badly! Well done!!

  • @ghostlywinds5334
    @ghostlywinds5334 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Someone wished for the world to now longer be under the sea.

  • @shadowarchon7964
    @shadowarchon7964 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So, essentially, this is what would happen if Ganondorf got his wish.

  • @HDitzzDH
    @HDitzzDH ปีที่แล้ว +1

    BadlandsChug back at it again with a new challenge…

  • @hellandruby
    @hellandruby ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "uhhhh... papyrus, i burnt the water..."

  • @axelindigo1399
    @axelindigo1399 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is amazing. Wind Waker is def in my top 5 favorite games, so seeing a project like this is exciting.

  • @CalmingChris
    @CalmingChris ปีที่แล้ว +1

    if they made a second wind Waker based on this concept, I think that would be pretty awesome

  • @CarsonWolford
    @CarsonWolford ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagine if Kakariko Village really was just sitting underneath Windfall.

  • @sledgen.
    @sledgen. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this is incredble!

  • @Raylightsen
    @Raylightsen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagen how great this would be without water.

  • @dynogamergurl
    @dynogamergurl ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow a drain the ocean video of windwaker?! I need more!

  • @jimmullins1270
    @jimmullins1270 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is bloody fantastic

  • @Dash123456789Brawl
    @Dash123456789Brawl ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I clicked on this thinking it was just going to be something relatively simple, like just deleting the water so you can see what little is actually beneath it in-game.
    This is so cool!

    • @Dash123456789Brawl
      @Dash123456789Brawl ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ObscureGun Yeah, that’s what I had imagined.

  • @tStevester83
    @tStevester83 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for drinking all of that water, someone had to take one for the team eventually

  • @maho3744
    @maho3744 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow amazing job this looks phenomenal can't wait for the finished product!

  • @Skunkmonkk
    @Skunkmonkk ปีที่แล้ว

    Hell yeah! I wasn't sure about the concept at first, but the execution looks amazing. Keep at it, can't wait to play!

  • @augustday9483
    @augustday9483 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is an awesome idea. Subscribed!

  • @mechatec2992
    @mechatec2992 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I imagine that some parts of the old Hyrule must have been a bit more visible after all that space of Hyrule castle and Ganon’s fortress got flooded. Like, that definitely would’ve lowered the sea level at least a little.

  • @jotadirect6372
    @jotadirect6372 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wind Waker Ganondorf: "Finally, someone who understands my goals"

  • @ThatHippyDuck
    @ThatHippyDuck ปีที่แล้ว

    this just tickled my tingle senses.

  • @TheZiiFamily
    @TheZiiFamily ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i think its about time to start playing wind waker :D
    (never left the forsaken fortress cuz siblings got ahead and i just watched them play and never bothered to myself)

  • @RealityRogue
    @RealityRogue ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The inner child of me is screaming rn.
    I always wanted to explore the full hyrule under the water

  • @ThePinkOne
    @ThePinkOne ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can't believe you guys got BadlandsChugs to chug the ocean for this project, outstanding work.

  • @joffles6516
    @joffles6516 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Badlandschugs is getting more ambitious

  • @Mauricio0973
    @Mauricio0973 ปีที่แล้ว

    The korok trees really did work!

  • @lorettarosy63
    @lorettarosy63 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Imagine this being an actual mod for wind waker, that'll be awesome to explore an unflooded great sea.

  • @levialy8244
    @levialy8244 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This could have been such a cool idea for post game content

    • @dragonbornexpress5650
      @dragonbornexpress5650 ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly, considering how rushed Wind Waker was during development, having this kind of post-game content in 2003 would be impossible.

  • @Xonz102
    @Xonz102 ปีที่แล้ว

    That gave me goosebumps.

  • @corel7966
    @corel7966 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    this is soo damn cool, i didn't want this video to end

  • @jack_bench
    @jack_bench ปีที่แล้ว

    He finally did it. BadlandsChugs finally drank the ocean.

  • @pokkiheart
    @pokkiheart ปีที่แล้ว

    they had a bucket and were very very determined.
    Jokes aside, awesome job so far! This game was a favorite of mine as a kid and seeing people work so hard because of their appreciation for it... it's just unbelievable. Good luck with the project!

  • @WhatAreYouBuyen
    @WhatAreYouBuyen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wow that's awesome

  • @austinkoontz2845
    @austinkoontz2845 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome. Cool. Keep up the good work.

  • @gamewizard2008
    @gamewizard2008 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    0:10 WOW, I didn't even think of Windfall's windmill being Kakariko's!

  • @tylerbivins9807
    @tylerbivins9807 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If Gannon got his wish

  • @xthriteenx
    @xthriteenx ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gerudo town is gonna be sick

  • @_Lyan_
    @_Lyan_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As someone who has WWHD as their favorite game of all time, I absolutely love what you've done here! I've always wondered how islands like Greatfish Isle look like before the flood. Angular Isles in particular because it's where the Great Fairies and Salvage Corps. were born despite being incredibly small

  • @nubbyboah
    @nubbyboah ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a really fascinating idea, thank you TH-cam for showing me this!

  • @Gabriel_Micah
    @Gabriel_Micah ปีที่แล้ว +1

    seein kakariko appear scared tf outta me idk why

  • @dr.shakib9961
    @dr.shakib9961 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is worth waiting for.

  • @TheRobzX
    @TheRobzX 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is now a whole new game!

  • @ClassicBentobox
    @ClassicBentobox ปีที่แล้ว +17

    This is genuinely incredible. I’m baffled.

  • @mareklonestar7053
    @mareklonestar7053 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the scene you get, when Ganondorf gets his wish

  • @narutosbelievin
    @narutosbelievin ปีที่แล้ว

    Everything is perfect! Except for that Redead statue that’s terrifying! Thank you so much for doing this!! ❤

  • @scrat3695
    @scrat3695 ปีที่แล้ว

    Badlands chugs did it, he chugged the entire ocean.

  • @KenMasters.
    @KenMasters. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Alternative title:
    Leaked footage of Wind Waker 2 Beta

  • @funkyfreshwilliam2707
    @funkyfreshwilliam2707 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought this was just gonna be Windwaker but with the water texture removed but I’m pleasantly surprised

  • @johnquach8821
    @johnquach8821 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ganondorf's Wish, Colorized

    • @RustyNips
      @RustyNips ปีที่แล้ว

      Another timeline split you say
      I'm down
      Better then the complete retcon separate universe thing that botw an totk are

  • @ZekromAndYugiAndDrago123
    @ZekromAndYugiAndDrago123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Alternate Universe where the King of Red Lions wasn't a prick to Ganondorf for no reason and let him get rid of the Great Sea:

  • @bucket9144
    @bucket9144 ปีที่แล้ว

    It looks so good!

  • @january3rd293
    @january3rd293 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kakariko suddenly there made my eyes widen

  • @TheGoldenJay637
    @TheGoldenJay637 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    that is fucking nuts. keep it up please!

  • @HoggleToggler
    @HoggleToggler ปีที่แล้ว

    Holy crap, that is so cool!

  • @blaze9525
    @blaze9525 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome project!

  • @peyton4719
    @peyton4719 ปีที่แล้ว

    Commenting for the algorithm, this looks amazing

  • @samantha_t99
    @samantha_t99 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This should be called Wind Walker

  • @richardavelino7383
    @richardavelino7383 ปีที่แล้ว

    Previs combines.... Previs combines everywhere.

  • @JaredtheRabbit
    @JaredtheRabbit ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would LOVE to play on this map!

  • @Lessembarrassingman
    @Lessembarrassingman ปีที่แล้ว +2

    WHAT? WHAT IS THIS PROJECT?! This could be the most impressive fan made thing I know of I mean jeez like im pumped now

    • @StoneTheCr0w
      @StoneTheCr0w ปีที่แล้ว

      Removing a water volume from a map is the most impressive thing you've seen 🤣

    • @Lessembarrassingman
      @Lessembarrassingman ปีที่แล้ว

      @@StoneTheCr0w yes that is true!

    • @Yohoat
      @Yohoat ปีที่แล้ว

      @@StoneTheCr0w I hope this is sarcasm, they're making an entire map here.

    • @StoneTheCr0w
      @StoneTheCr0w ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Yohoat Nothing quite as comical as being Zoomer-splained how map making works

    • @Yohoat
      @Yohoat ปีที่แล้ว

      @@StoneTheCr0w ?