Tony Drives An SF90 & I Learn About Hydrogen [S5, E47]
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Ben’s on holiday this week so first person to submit time stamps wins a gold star
Who needs time stamps I just press play and watch to the end.
26:53 - Tony starts talking about the SF90, but with a lengthy backstory first, including a brief drive in the 296GTB.
38:41 - Tony actually starting to talk about the SF90
I often use the time stamps, so they are much appreciated!
2:30 Sam explaining hydrogen fuel cell cars
6:40 Sam explaining hydrogen static fuel cell system
8:10 Sam explaining hydrogen combustion
12:30 Trip to Graz with the new F-Type
19:25 Sam's drive of the 05' Ford GT as an imvestment
27:00 Tony drives the SF90
1:07:05 SPA 24hrs
2:30 Sam explaining hydrogen fuel cell cars
6:40 Sam explaining hydrogen static fuel cell system
8:10 Sam explaining hydrogen combustion
12:30 Trip to Graz with the new F-Type
19:25 Sam's drive of the 05' Ford GT as an imvestment
27:00 Tony drives the SF90
1:07:05 SPA 24hrs
What happened to the time stamps 😢
I know, I still watch the entire thing but I wanna know what subjects there talking about
Probably took to long to do
its like 1 video hes bothered then the next hes not
00:38 Talking about cars
I bet he got rid of them so we would watch the whole thing instead of just skipping to the part we want to hear about
Please get Phil on the podcast, he’s a legend
Agreed, seems like a top guy and they'd definitely have no shortage of things to talk about
One of the most insightful reviews of the SF90 delivered by Tony and for the first time, I feel like I just came closer to understanding the SF90 without ever having been near one. Been watching quite a few reviews but "knowing" him and his preferences a fair bit mostly thx to your podcast made me understand it a lot better than most of the reviews out there.
Tony: This thing “sods off” (SF90 performance)… 😂👍
I think that's one of the best explanations I've ever heard 🤣🤣🤣
Don’t forget the hand gesture and head nod as he says “sods off” 😂😂
Tony is right about the brakes fading - upgrade the brake fluids (to some type of racing brake fluid) and you should be allright.
I second this. Get some higher temp brake fluid and flush out the old one
How long do you want to continue this introduction ? Abarth and 996 are old souvenirs. 😉
For sure better fluid might help, but don’t forget the F-Type R P575 is a 1,780kg car - plus driver on top. The GT3 on the other hand is 1,418kg - a massive 362kg less.
True 1400-1500kgs is a sweet spot for the best modern sports cars . Can’t avoid the extra weight these days but that’s the number .
@@aviator-kn8zq Yep. I think people expect additional weight for a modern saloon or estate car, but this F-Type coupé is still 250kg heavier than a Porsche 992 GTS - that is a huge amount of extra weight for a 2 door sports car.
Tony really makes me question my view on reality.
He's like something someone made up.
Like a cartoon character. But he's real. Does not compute.
Tony only cares about how fast his cars are. The guy at the petrol station is correct, modern Ferraris are drab in comparison with how they used to be. I think Tony enjoys showing off how new and fast his cars are over actual driving. His opinions are always completely at odds with everyone else in the motor media, that should tell you all you need to know. The Pista is known for having dead steering which is a complete no-go for any petrolhead. He does NOT have the ability to maximise the potential of a 430 let alone a Pista, especially on a road. But Pista go fast so yay!
Guy on gas station neither right nor wrong, it’s a personal preference. Modern Ferraris, naturally, aren’t the same as Ferraris from 90s and early 00s in the same way 90s and 00s aren’t the same as 80s and 70s, and so on. However, that might not be true when Ferrari goes full on EV due to fundamental changes
Ford GT is a special car. Remember seeing a silver one with white stripes, was beautiful 😍. They're very wide and have a great presence, like a Lamborghini.
Haven't seen the Ford GT in person but was lucky to get up close with a Superformance GT40. The stance of the thing is fantastic!
Just going back to what you said about your main channel video, I really enjoy seeing you drive on roads and smiling away to yourself and enjoying the scenery… etc. I love all that! I really enjoy videos of you having fun 👍🏻
That’s what I tune in for every week
Would love to see you both review a car together. Not sat in the studio but in and out the car. The arguments would be beautiful to watch!
I could listen to you guys talk hypercars and/or ferraris for days
Having driven the Ford GT, Sam's take is bang on what my experience in it was.
Great podcast as always.
All diesel in the uk has been bio diesel for the last 10 years.
The diesel replacement for trucks is called HVO and is a bit more expensive than diesel at the moment because it is a crops based fuel and the price of crops is high.
Filling a hydrogen tank in a vehicle isn’t as simple as you’d think. It can take 5 minutes it can take an hour. The trouble is both the delivery tank and customer tank have to be at the same pressure for delivery to take place.
Pardon my French but, I fucking love the crack between you two. Its just two mates cracking on in a pub without the beers or the pub! You can tell Tony is excited about the SF90 without even showing any facial emotion. I would be very surprised if he didn't buy one next. If not then definitely the car after next
The title of this video is very old style Top Gear, tonight Tony drives an SF90 and I learn about hydrogen 🤣
Made my day when tony drove past me in 123 TOY, the sf90 tony had for the weekend.
Grammar and speaking properly seems a concern so.... You buy things from people, not off them. And you do things on the back of other events, not off the back of them. OFF overly used these days
Stop cutting Tony off so much. The brake fluid boils as its hydroscopic, be surprised if you have this on such a new car. However brakes dont work the hotter they get they they have an operating range above and below which they lose performance.
Tony with the Reiss clobber
Behind the glass podcast Time Stamps
Time Stamps
0:40 introduction
2:32 driving to Gratz
3:00 hydrogen fuel cells and hydrogen combustion
3:30 how hydrogen fuel cell works
7:19 how formula E use the fuel cell
8:12 hydrogen combustion
9:40 what industries can hydrogen be used in
10:25 Sam talks about his presenting
12:40 NEW F type R Driving road (truffle)
13:23 One of the best driving roads Sam has ever driven
16:03 ceramic brakes and how they compare to the standard brakes which are Steel
17:02 Break fluid chat and how that can affect the brake pedal feel
19:04 Sam talks about his experience at the Porsche Museum
19:18 Ford GT 2005
19:35 values of cars of 2005 Ford GT
20:54 Tony talks about Carrera GT values
27:25 Tony drives the Ferrari SF90
1:07:05 SPA 24hrs
that's some dodgy science but I appreciate the effort🤣🤣
Where is the after the chequered flag for Hungary gp?
About the SF90 Fiorano, Novitec make a lift for it and don't need the Novitec suspension if you don't wanted , you using sites not real data, in a 1/4 mile real time the SF90 beat the Chiron all times in a drag race last month there is videos
What difference does it make if the problem is with the fluid or the actual brakes or the lines?! The carbon ceramics option should take all of these into consideration! To be honest, not seeing a lot of F-Types with carbon ceramics is a sign that maybe they are not worth it…
To answer your question, both the 296 and the SF90 needs to be equipped with the Assetto Fiorano pack to get the livery. In addition, there are two new liveries for the 296. Where did I get the info? I ordered and specced the car (296 GTB) in April 2022.
We need a show about Tony's bitcoin conspiracy theory!
Well done guys, love your content
Electric cars are in reality worse for the environment than petrol cars when taking everything into account, the future definitely has to be hydrogen or synthetic fuels
Hi Sam, the brakes on the F Type are probably not bedding in properly. You will get alot of fade if this is the case as the pads need de gassing.
I love the "new" Ford GT (having never driven it of course). Saw the mule driving around outside Dearborn not long ago 👀
Hey Sam! Why not learning about our Carbon Neutral Fuel? We supply allready the FIA WTCR, FIA WRC and work together with Sebastian Vettel refueling his Nigel Mansell car and in Paul Ricard F1 a 100 year old Aston Martin! Our fuel is 100 percent non fossil and carbon neutral und can be used by every race car and road car today! Without technical changes 😌
Didn’t top gear make/grow bio fuel….. definitely an Avenue that should be explored over batteries
Sam, drink less coffee before the next episode. Please let Tony finish a sentence…
You defenitly can opt the stripes without the AF package. I know it as i went trough the speccing procces with my car. And Toni is right, a VS version of the SF90 isnt confirmed by Ferrari, pur speculation and wishfull thinking. The mules were all with a lot if stickers from different company wich is unusual for a camouflage VS version of Ferrari. As well the mull was around Germandy near Bosch, so leads to the speculation that the mule is a powertrain developement for either the new FXX or Laferrari succesor. At the end where would a VS version of the Sf90 fits. Probably to close to the La ferrari succesor. At the time when the Sf90 was launched we were told by Maranello there is no VS version coming. (But at the end this are just words who can be easily overruled the next day). Anyway the Sf90 AF is the one to have, i dont car to not have a lifter, the dampers ar so much better than the non AF car
Excellent podcast guys...enjoyed every minute. Thank you
Tonys got a little gold bracelet on like you give a baby at a Christening...whats doing Tdog??
The 488 pista is the first car I’d buy if I had money, such a beautiful design with great performance
Sam, long time fan of your channel. You and Tony are doing a great show.
FYI, I believe wearing racing harnesses without a HANS device to fix your helmet to the seat is actually very dangerous if you were to crash. The lap belt would allow your head to decelerate whereas harnesses would not allow as much room for deceleration, and thereby your head would snap forward and potentially be deadly. It’s called a c1-c2 cervical spine fracture. Aka internal decapitation. Just a surgeon’s opinion - stay safe and keep making the amazing content.
Cheers!
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Hey Sam, not sure if you had any interest in “De winging” your incoming GT3RS But i happened to come across this video, which a guy effectively takes his wing off in like 15 minutes with a few socket wrenches. I know you’re a fan of touring spec GT3’s so at the very least it would be an interesting watch 😅 th-cam.com/video/22IIRVk0Z-M/w-d-xo.html
Only thing to note though is it may mess up the fine tuned suspension settings that take the wing into account so essentially affects handling etc on track. Im no Porsche engineer so don’t take my word for it lol
So it seems that Mr. "You don't need to test drive a car!" Has changed his tune
I know, what a hypocrite!
@@dommo9056 I'm not quite at slagging him off as a hypocrite, but what I'll say is that just because i can't spend SF90 money doesn't mean I'm not looking for particular characteristics in a car that I can only find in a test drive. Be it a Mazda, Honda, Merc, Porsche, or beyond
Nevermind. It's Tony. He'd be calling me an hypocrite!
This damned hypocrite!
@@BakersTaste I totally agree!! Either you think people need to test drive a car before buying one or you don’t! He can’t have it both ways so he’s a hypocrite!
Just watched Shmee’s video on it. Managed to use about 30% of the power, maybe 40% on the wet track. Amazing machine, but too powerful and surely not as much fun as a much lower powered car.
Have to admit: listening to a 1000bhp Ferrari discussion, which I cannot afford, is putting me to sleep. Get Ben on the remote working and bring back time stamps. Poor.
Sam’s explanation of how a fuel cell works.. is something else:))
Great podcast, really enjoyed Tony's experience in the SF 90. 👍
Tony's right, Martin Browsers who deliver for McDonald's, do collect the used oil and it's processed into Biofuels for their trucks
I think you have to go back to chemistry classes. H atom is composed of a proton and an electron. 2 H atoms and 1 Oxygen atom for 1 h2o molecule.
The "soul" thing is purely about the noise, the NA engines have what people call "soul"
"electrolytes" hahaha
I've driven a Roma, I think it's pretty soulless.
I'll give you a review, one word, Brilliant!
didja 'ave to explain what hydrogen is to tone
tell him that it's not about the hindenburg, and that things have moved on since
All this time I thought Tonys secret car was an Audi R8…..
Great podcast . Glade see tony having fun.
The company Sam talks about sounds like Magna :)
The pista is the president for all other cars, this is the word that is needed for Tony.
Tony in the sf90 in chislehurst last sat.? Registration toy123
Tony, you have it right....this is utter madness in the name of being green. The extreme E 'container' is laughable.....how does the container get moved from venue to venue....diesel, Jet A1? Not so green then, plus all the race vehicles teams and their kit....all the hangers on or spectators - its a joke. It is impossible to justify any form of motorsport with a 'green' agenda. Just realise this and get on with it is my advice.
The Hydrogen fuelled combustion engine is the route that JCB are chasing as electricity will never work in industrial sized vehicles.
As Tony says....don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, hang onto ICE and divert resources into affordable synthetic fuels....thereby avoiding all the outrageously dirty excavation of battery minerals.
Odds on Sam is out of this Jag asap once he gets the GT3.
100%
Nope. Different car for different purposes.
Hope not
Merc literally sold a small run of the B-Class as a fuel cell hydrogen car in 2010s, BMW also had a hydrogen 7 series around back then… Toyota still sells the Mirai in second gen now - it‘s crazy that you haven’t heard about any of it yet hahah
The tech has been ready for some time, the bottle neck still is the lack of technology to mass produce „green hydrogen“, currently it is a really electricity-intensive process and we just do not have enough green electricity yet
The weight related benefit that you were searching for would be the lack of a 500kg battery you need to carry around in comparison to a traditional EV, which is awesome for efficiency
I remember seeing Hydrogen and LPG at some fuel stations.
Kia is already selling the fourth generation hydrogen cars.
Chemical industry produces a lot of hydrogen as a waste product, but it will of course never be enough for mass transport. At least in Germany there are a lot of stations selling hydrogen.
No one likes the Pista?! c'mon Sam. you'd LOVE a Pista. lets be honest haha. thanks for the great content!
Love to see an episode on Tonys view on bitcoin!
Gotta agree with Sam on the Spa 24hrs, that's a truly special event it really is, seeing the headlights shining into the sky like spotlights as they go around at night is amazing. I'd recommend going to any petrol head, such a beautiful place too. If you can go with a team too then you're in for a treat!
Love Tony and “his”
Conspiracy about Bitcoin, not sure that’s your theory my old mate haha.
But I don’t disagree with it!
Wow, SF90’s are selling £100k under list at the moment.
The thing is, the 296 GTB with the asseto fiorano package might add a bit of the Pista flair without costing the price of a special edition Ferrari and without Ferrari deciding if you deserve to buy one.
I didn’t scream at the moment where Tony compared a pista against a 296. No, I screamed when the stripe option chat went on for about a year when it really really didn’t need to.
I like that you can make the SF90 more like a ferrari new style Veyron with the lux and stradale, or the track package with Carbon etc. Now, where's that Magnitude finance number,...
Everyone knows youre talking about Bosch Sam 🤣
I don‘t think he is, Bosch is from Stuttgart - he is talking about Magna Steyr which is based in Graz
Is this a podcast or a science lesson this week? 😂😂😂😂😂
Judging by Sam's attempt at explaining hydrogen fuel cells, it's definitely not a decent science lesson.
definitly not a good sience lesson, the explanation of the fuel cell was in short rubbish.
@@betaich Yeah I notice no mention of hydrogen's terrible efficiency, unless you enjoy wasting 60% of the energy, hydrogen for passenger vehicles looks DOA, even Toyota seems to have realised this.
Playground banter
Remember kids smoking is bad for you! 😉
Love the banter each week. I know your always looking at subscriber numbers, but views vs subscribers has got to be one of the best automotive Channels out there. Some top Channels have millions of subs and only a 10th tune in. Says allot about the content you keep putting out each week. Keep it up
Tony would get along great with Mike Ritland from Uninfluenced
Brilliant episode guys and how nice listening to Tony talk about his SF90 demo.
The X and Z BMW models are built down there. The rail line that takes them back to Germany runs between the airport and the town.
Great video/contents!..
Imagine that! A car Tony actually likes!!
Oh no. I haven't even listened to this and I'm anticipating Tony and all the naysayers insisting that Hydrogen is the future and EVs are a fad. Snore.
"I haven't even listened" sums up EV activists quite aptly.
I suggested to car guys, the testarossa is a better investment than a carerra GT - on a net IRR basis (which is how you should measure an investment) to 2030.
I'm curious what spec Tony would go for on the SF90....
I've seen 2 '05 Ford GTs randomly running around recently. Nuts.
hindsight, foresight lmao 13:56
I live the glazed look on Tony’s face when Sam bangs in about splitting the atom 😵💫😵💫😅😅
Tony must be a picky eater.
I also feel like the 296 should tick the pista boxes since it’s a new Ferrari I mean isn’t the point of new technology a wider variety and scope
Has Tony accidentally revealed what car he has lol. I thought he didn’t want people to know
Why get rid of the pista ?
Enjoying you both great fun ! Come to Mexico City! Always welcome
What a episode. Really interesting opinions explained really well. Absolutely brilliant.
It's great to hear more people talking about the combustion engine not being the problem.
I love electric cars but the are not the sole way forward, great for cities but combustion engines will always be along side them I believe.
I hate all governments narratives pushing electric cars at the moment. If everyone got one tomorrow the electric grid would be completely overloaded and fail 😂
Combustion engines are less than half as efficient as a battery. How is that not a problem?
@@mitchellsteindler Less efficient than an electric motor you mean. Yes I know that, thats been known for a long time. Electricity production for batteries is also very inefficient. Its the fuel source for combustion thats the issue
@@OzzyM1998 no...I dont. A battery has 85% charge-discharge efficiency. The best piston engines are 35% efficient. 35x2=70 which is less than 85. Electric motors themselves are about 98% efficient.
@@mitchellsteindler A batteries discharge capability has nothing to do with how much energy will be used.
If it was only 50%, like lead acid batteries are it would still use the same energy to go a certain distance as a lithium battery would with 85%. That just helps get more range with the same capacity
@@OzzyM1998 so if you put 100 kwh into a battery and only get 35 kwh out rather than 85 kwh out, that won't affect how far your car can go? Obviously the battery that gives out 85% of the energy it took in instead of 35% is more efficient. That's the difference we are talking about here. Only up to 35% of the combustion energy from gasoline is converted into forward motion. Meanwhile, 85% of the electrical energy used to charge a battery is converted into forward motion. Because electric motors are almost 100% efficient, the overall efficiency is controlled by the charge-discharge (also known as round trip) efficiency.
Just recently Hyundai showed a hydrogen sportscar concept.
Actually also Harry's garage made a video some months ago about the hydrogen combustion engine at JCB.
I will leave the link here:
th-cam.com/video/19Q7nAYjAJY/w-d-xo.html
Cracking episode guys, and loving your work on the main channel, 👍
Please buy a 765LT
Bloody Selfish - you should work extra hard and get some podcasts banked for us. What am I gonna do on those Thursdays? Totally selfish 😂
Wow that conversation of how hydrogen fuel cells work was brutal. Good luck creating a spark with water Tony. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
to be honest sam is hardly an expert either… it was like a 10 yo explaining to a 9 yo. Was difficult to listen to.
Definitely not claiming to be an expert and think I made it quite clear I knew/know very little about the subject - please explain the process better here so that those interested can understand better
@@BehindTheGlass Easy Sam 😄 I wouldn't have sat through an hour of you guys just chatting if I wasn't on your side. It's probably a good case of tone being lost in the written word and I probably should have expanded further to be sure that you knew it was said in jest. We've all probably been there when you start explaining something and it starts to unravel and it would probably also be fair to say that Tony wasn't exactly helping the cause. Keep up the good work fella.
Thursday off so straight on it 💪