I think you have just made every major lighting manufacturer shat themselves, honestly what you have created is flawless, i didn't expect this long awaited update video to be so major i was expecting it to be similar to the version one but with a diffrent voltage, pixel mapping and a little more compact. But you have easily outdone yourself, congrats! I'm going to share this video with everyone I know who might show any signs of being remotely interested. The possibilities are endless!
AHHHH. Dude. As an electrical engineer and self proclaimed lighting designer myself, this is EXACTLY what I’ve wanted and looked to build myself. This is so so cool and am kind of mad that I finally got approved for budget to make V1 and now I definitely have to go back and ask for more to make this thing. So cool, and good luck with this!!
The project's really coming along! The aluminum spool sides being cut from the same sheet is genius! Saves money and waste, and no loss in performance! Looks cool, too! Glad you're working with the addressable LEDs. Just adds to it! Keep up the great work!!!
As an independent DJ, I absolutely love this!! Especially the part where you use Touch Designer, if a DJ can just use his music as an input and have the DMX react to it, that sounds ideal for any music!
You just earned a lifetime subscriber. I’m blown away by the concept and implementation but your presentation is spot on. I see huge impact coming to the underground/renegade scene! Tremendously inspiring and a top job well done - thank you!
As a musician and former lighting designer turned electrical engineering student, this is awesome and tickles all of my fancies. I've been working on designs for something that is basically one of these, but I've been struggling with a couple of aspects of what I need it to do. I think that I can adapt some of your design here to make my project work, as well as a couple of other projects I've got planned but haven't been able to get around to yet.
i think you just changed the industry. cant wait to see the full kit in production.. your website should have the same aesthetic as the 13:10 "choose your configuation" section. that looks so slick.
Thanks so much! Aha I had a fun time making that part of the video. We're still working on the site so we might be able to incorporate some of that aesthetic!
Holy freakin whut!! This video has so many levels of mindblowingness. Everything seems incredibly well thought out to actual, practical situations of creative individuals. I’m speechless
As a performer who hacked together a light set up that gets the job done but is VERY inefficient to put together (taking anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour to set up), I am so glad I was able to find this page so I can upgrade to something so efficient. Now EVERY performance I have can be set up with lights, instead of only a select few where I have time. Thank you so much for this work and looking forward to this product.
Ah I'm glad i could maybe give you some ideas to help with your setup! This was the main driving force when I designed the original system especially since some of the changeovers between bands were like 5 minutes and I had to set up a drum kit as well so this was an absolute necessity for the groups I was playing with! We often got compliments from stage hands about how we were the fastest show theyve ever seen set up by a long shot
As someone looking at a DIY lighting solution for my current musical projects, I just want to say thank you for this whole series in general! Your explanation is in depth and completely thought out, and you have genuinely thought all of the kinks!
This is AMAZING work. Really super super cool man. I'm here to support and encourage this journey as our band has recently started looking into DIY lighting kits to up our live shows. Very impressive work
ok! I came here from the version 1 video and already commented on that one that you should start up a manufacturing company, and so this was a real treat to see that you're already doing that!!!! And so far from what I can see this is going to be a HUGE hit!!! The simplicity of setup and sheer power of the effect blows away most ground systems I've seen. The design of the spool is genius to save on materials but still look amazing! And I've already mentioned in the other video but I'll say it again....Canadians rock!
Wow, this is Perfekt! Thanks alot, this changes everything. It is a perfection of the system i wanted to do for my new band Project!Talking as a Light Operator doing Stage lighting with "Professional Manufactured" Fixtures for many Years now, this Is way more Thought through as most super Expensive Fixtures on the Market. And the Look is just beautiful! Thanks so much !!!
I'm just here to try to make this work for D&D sessions. I've been using WLED for a while, so this would be idea and I could pack up the lights in a box after sessions.
This is AWESOME. As a sound and lighting guy I’m in love with it. As an employee at a metal fab shop who uses Fusion all day, those bases are perfection.
Well, this is just amazing. That project went from clever DIY to professional revolution. I'm slowly getting into the world of stage lighting and this is simply inspiring!
Damn man! That's awesome! I was trying to build my own addressable tube lights, actually I built some prototypes with wooden bases last year fairly inspired by your old videos about diffusion and basically a version 1, but for my setup I couldn't afford the DMX as I was using WS2812 led strips for that, 60 pixels per meter (180 channels per 1 meter tube). So I came up with the ridiculous idea that I can do that using Arduino as I also want to connect that to Ableton Live. So I programmed this whole thing from scratch in Arduino but I also had to make my own plugin in MAX to have a connection via Live. I'm now finishing up rebuilding the lights using your v1 idea with this home depot made bases etc. But I see now it won't be that versatile as Petal. From this place I want to congratulate you man! You are an inspiration, you have to know that!
I just found your channel, and as a musician, computer science student, and tinkerer, you got me watching your videos at 12:30am knowing I have a 8am in the morning
this version 2 is awesome, i can understand and it seems very helpful such as a beginner like me. I can’t wait to follow your instructions to get more awesome lighting in our band room
Thanks so much! I am starting to upload more in depth videos on the petal lighting TH-cam channel linked in the description of you want some more info!
I've been building this same thing in my head for years. If you have the potential I'd recommend designing in a pipe clamp attachment to the spool so you could mount them upside down on a lighting rig. Great work!!!
Since he start to explain V1, I was researching project like this. This dude change my mind about the project which I want to build and add some vision to me. Thanks man!
Great idea. You're a kindred spirit. I'm exited for the spools and plan to order some to support you; but I'm also unbelievably excited about the software/controller as I've beaten a large flat spot onto my forehead over the last 15 years or so trying to find the right software to realize my ideas for my current DMX stage lighting rig.
Very nice design! I would like to know more in depth about connecting everything together and electrical side. I was also wondering what is the TH-cam channel of Andrew and Austin for touchdesinger stuff? :/
Thats an awesome idea, just got the video from a colleague. We already have our own idea to control LED Stripes with DMX, but your idea to make it all transportable is great.
This is so friggin cool! As a self taught lighting designer for musical preferences and dj’s I really want to try something like this. What really caught my eye is the touch designer pixel control which is really confusing me and I can’t find anything about it online. 😢 could you make a programming tutorial and teach us how to dig octa? I found you while searching for ways to control custom LED fixtures in cells (pixel groups) and I can’t find anything this cool! You are on another level of genius ❤
These look amazing! I’m going to be doing a Star Wars themed Halloween and most of this will be perfect for my setup, except I’ll be setting them up as lightsabers! At 16:44 you show the ability to stack the tubes. Have you done more with that? And can you provide any more details on what parts you used?
Wowwww, I'm been only 6 months and I still feel late to the party! Mindblowing proposition, generous and intelligent work. Thank you, I will be buying a kit for sure!
Dude you are a genius , I love your design and the thought that has gone into building versions one and two and are amazing especially version two with the new spools , I mean to come up with the idea of using the spools as the light bases is inspired , I would definitely buy the entire light rig if it became available for widespread sale , I would love to make my own but i am only just getting into lighting and don't have that much knowledge yet so yeah would definitely buy them , all in all your design is very awesome and seriously impressive , subscribed straight away and look forwards to more videos , nice work dude 🤘
Thanks so much! That means a lot 🥹. We are just about to start shipping the diy kits which can be assembled with very little experience required, if that’s something you might be interested in. Come join the discord channel linked in the description though if you wanted to chat more!
Brilliant. I have been gathering parts to make my version of your V1 and this has thrown the cat amongst the pigeons! Amazing build, well-done, great design
RGB LED lighting has always had one problem for me, resolution. Slow color fades are really noticeable with the standard 8 Bit resolution especially at low brightness. I would love to see a addressable 16 Bit RGB Controller for LED strips. Of cause you can't address individual LEDs just the whole strip.
Thanks a lot for all your posts. Wonderful to see how you upgraded the original analog lights. You inspired me to build my own version of mobil light strips. Since I couldn´t get cheap plastic tubes I used metal rails with mat plexi covers. It looks very slim and smooth. I might also build a pixel version of them at some stage! Keep it going and all the best!
woaw this is so cool. I already started on building V1 but this is so much better. I gues im gonna start building this now. Thanks for making the spools purchasable, I was already thinking: how am I gonna make that haha
you are a genius, I was looking to build some led pixel bars since a while but wasn't sure how, too many options, thank you made it more clear in my head now just need to express creativity Any idea on how I could do a similar setup but with truss clamps instead of ground stacking ?
There certainly are infinite possibilities with all these parts! I think a truss clamp set up will work great! I think you'd just need to use some sort of locking connector like xlr or nl4 to connect the fixtures instead of the spool socket system (Though i am currently brainstorming a hanging rig) but truss clamps should be able to attach easily to your fixtures! Feel free to message me on discord: discord.gg/9DrgG3NVAE
Big ups! I was immediately a fan of version 1 back when I first stumbled into your build and you've done a fantastic job with the upgrades. It sounds like I have been on a similar path as Andrew and Austin with the software side of things, especially with Touchdesigner becoming the central control for all on-stage visual fx, Do they have a channel?
Thanks so much for sticking around! Andy and Austin are going to start making videos on the Petal Lighting TH-cam Channel soon! If you join the Petal Discord Channel linked in the description, we keep everyone updated there and feel free to reach out as well!
Great project. I'm going to look into trying to build your design. I just finished my own, But it's not as robust for touring applications. You should definitely build daisy chaining into V3, each dig OCTA output can control 600 pixels, and most, if not all, pixel control software allows you to split each Pixel string into multiple fixtures.
Great stuff. We want to buy the spool and controller kit for a show in November. Any idea if we'd get it by then? And since there are no fixtures being sold on the website, is there an updated video to build the v2's?
We could certainly get you a spool and controller kit well before November provided you are located in North America! We are working hard on a fixture kit but I will be coming out with a fixture build video in the next week or so that might give you some ideas for fixtures you may want to make for your show! Shoot us an email at petallighting@gmail.com
Lighting isn't even relevant to me, but I've watched all your videos and have subbed. There's so much thought and care that goes into everything you build, it's very inspiring. I have no doubt you'll rapidly grow as a channel given the quality of the content and passion you have for what you do. Can't wait to see more!
Awsome design, reels and stands at the same time, it's genius! I would really like to know more about the touch designer, WLED settings and connecting the touch designer to the WLED
Thanks so much! I am going to start putting out more tutorial style videos on the Petal Lighting youtube channel where there will be some much more in depth Touch Designer and WLED videos soon!
bro shut up and take my money what da heeeeeeell🤯 great work! 💪looking forward for more content and updates! that's the future of event lightning for suuuuure! much love from UA🇺🇦☀
This is amazing. Watching this video inspired me with so many different ideas, both on a creative side and a logistics side. You are all designing an incredible product here that I am very interested in. I didn’t think I’d see someone else program lights using a DMXIS & Ableton, do you use all automation lanes to program or do you use the MIDI method?
I was using all automation lines originally but this new rig will go more the MIDI method and I may even start designing shows using videos and basic graphic design programs which then get uploaded into touchdesigner as a media file
@@SuperValidDesigns That is awesome! Bummer they stopped making the DMXIS, gotta make sure nothing happens to the one I have now lol. This is such a cool setup, the work you put in is really incredible. Definitely something that can change the DIY lighting game for smaller bands/musicians.
Thanks you so much for this vidéo. There is a thing I can't undestand : Do you use the ethernet port of the octa brainboard ? In fact I would like to understand how you connect the octa system to touch designer. I watched the vidéos of the octa system but didnt find an explication of how informations come into the system. Does the octasystem has a predefined number of channels like your previous DMX decoder ? How the octa system knows you send data for 17 pixels, is there a software ? Why dont you connect the octa system with artnet, so maybe you could have multiple universes inside each port (does it's possible ?) Thanks you again !
Thanks for the great questions! I'll try and address all of them here: The ethernet port is usable but I actually just used wifi in my video as it was already set up for that. I just had to go inside the WLED software which is on the actual DigOcta board to turn on Artnet Mode which lets Touch Designer Control it. WLED is also the software that lets you tell the controller how many pixels are in each fixture and what channel they are on. The dig octa can handle 2,500 pixels with up to 600 on any given channel i believe so it can certainly handle multiple universes at once. I hope that answered everything but let me know if you have more questions!
Really interested in this design! A question about programming in v2. I might have missed it in the video. Does V2 allow a DMX feed from an external console? Say I wanted to incorporate these in a much larger lighting set up. Also how difficult would it be to re-address them? Say I wanted to expand from 8 to 24, 36, plus? Not concerned about them expanding different universes, as it seems you made sure to fit 8 in a universe. Would really love to see these as features if at all possible. Thanks for the video and demo. Edit: another question in regards to the “neon light tubing” whats the max length supported per tube? Would really love to be able to craft custom client designs with this set up. Does the neon light support pixel mapping also?
Great questions all around. I am not too sure what the best way to incorporate this specific rig into an existing console via DMX would be. Since this rig uses Pixels, the amount of channels required would be insane, well beyond a single universe of DMX so we are using artnet to control these currently. I dont come from a background of using DMX boards so, while I think there is probably a way to do it, I havent been able to figure out how yet. My version 1 rig, however, which used analogue LED strips was completely dmx controllable and only took up 24 channels and this new rig can be easily adapted to use the same analogue strips For the neon tube lighting, since we are using 24v, you can go pretty darn long with them. We were messing around with one fixture that was a 6 foot diameter circle, and the system was able to light the entire strip without any power injection and with no noticeable voltage drop throughout so you could get away with a fixture of almost 20 feet in length (the strips come in 16 foot lengths and we can light up the whole thing from one end). Having 8 of these long fixtures would likely require a heftier power supply though. The neon strips are indeed addressable and support pixel mapping
Are your friends releasing the software they are designing to public use? I would like to get my hands on something like that. Would make Christmas time much easier to setup.
I was super thrown off, I thought you were holding a 3D printing spool of filament. It was a pleasant surprise to see it was a open source lighting rig!
Amazing upgrades! DXM was great back in 1986 but is woefully obsolete in 2024. I'm glad you went with wifi and ethernet. Your first version was held back by this standard. Now this current version looks amazing and I might be building one. Being able to set up something in minutes is game changing.
Interesting concept. I have a system that runs off my phone/ laptop using WLED through a wireless access point, sending data to esp8266 chips wirelessely. The chips are deployed with the lighting fixtures, and the only cable that is needed at the light source is power. I like your method too, but need the flexibility of wireless in certain scenarios. I wonder if theres a way to make this a hybrid wired/wireless "home base", if that makes any sense.
I've been thinking about wireless solutions. While I'd suggest against it for live music where reliability is most important, I definitely see where a wireless solution would be very beneficial. I was totally thinking, having the tubes with batteries in them that connect to the bases to charge but can easily be removed in those circumstances where you need it to be wireless. I think that totally makes sense!
@@SuperValidDesignsSpools with batteries, make the base also be the charger. Keep the data lines so you can run wired when you want or wireless when needed. Also means no special fixtures needed.
I had JUST found your analog system videos a couple days ago and was getting ready to pull the trigger on building one, but then I see THIS! Good christ man this is a bloody gold mine. I shall indeed be a customer. Good luck!
Dude my mind blew when you showed us how you did the whole spool out of one metal circle. 10/10 design man Edit: 4:25 idk but cant you send like 5v and 12v over the cable? same data and same gnd, so you can use 12v and 24v strips/lamps? I don't know if its worth it but i can imagine there are cool lamps only for 12v and maybe other cool ones only coming in 24v, so you are even more flexible. Edit2: NVM 2minutes later you talked about exactly that thought.
This is a great project. Actually I am trying to re-create the tube lights v1. and I am really interested in how v2 will go. Quick feedback: as mentioned the website will be updated, in current page the font colors mixing with background colors and everything is white on offering section when you access the page from desktop chrome.
Thanks so much for bringing this to my attention! We are still working on the website and we are still learning how to do this so the feedback is very much appreciated!
Did anyone find comparably priced tubes in Germany (or Europe)? I've been looking at acrylic and polycarbonate tubes but they seem to be either out of stock or much more expensive (starting at 20€/piece) than these home depot tube guards.
This looks brilliant! I wanna buy the whole solution in one package. My setup is that I'm running automated lights from Logic, via MIDI to DMX. DMXIS was great but I had to find another solution (as they discontinued) and opted for DOREMiDi MTD-1024. I guess the Vintage model would be my pick to match this, although I'm intrigued by the pixel talk but a bit confused as to how I would implement that to my setup.
The pixels definitely add a huge amount of capabilities without affecting the physical form factor. I’m gonna try and get some more tutorial like videos going so I’d love to know exactly what your current setup is like and maybe I can try to come up with a solution that can implement easily with a rig like yours!
@@SuperValidDesigns I'm running Logic Pro for my backing tracks, so the question is how do I control the lights with a pixel solution? With my DOREMiDi MTD-1024 I get a USB to DMX connection whilst converting from Midi to DMX. I think many would be interested in instructional videos on how to solve what DMXIS did, but also taking it to a new level, which you seem to be doing.
@@kidamazed I'm just finishing up a tutorial video on how I programmed my light show using our touch designer template and a video file which i made specifically for the light show. In the demo, I run the entire thing off of touch designer but in your case, you'd be able to run your tracks on Logic and send midi signals to touch designer to trigger different scenes. I havent tried doing that myself but it should be pretty straight forward, but we'll be sure to figure out exactly how to do this with any daw and we'll release a video about it as soon as we do!
We havent put the brain files up yet, we were still finalizing things and then never got around to it. I will have to put together a folder for all those files asap!
This looks insane! was doing some research, and was wondering, what power supply you are recommending for this and if the one that is mentioned on the DIG OCTA for the HC board is the one that you guys are using/including?
The psu that quinled recommends are great! I just purchased the highest watt 24v psu on Amazon that was under 50 dollars, which ended up being 360W which is more than enough for these tubes but 500 watt psus would be nice if you wanted to go with huge fixtures and they are pretty easy to find at the same physical size
I have a quinled dig quad controller with ethernet functionality (hat), but I don't know how to find the IP address when the controller is plugged into my computers rj-45 port. Do I have to manually change my ip to static to find the device? If you have any experience in it please let me know thank you and great video!. Deployment is on point with your strategy.
Great question and if I'm being honest, I struggle a bit myself when it comes to the networking side and I've just been using my system via wifi mostly. We have had a few guys in the discord talk about this and I think there are some solutions there, I just havent gone through it yet lol. I run a mac and I do have an rj45 dongle but i've heard it can be a little more complicated with mac than PC.
I was wondering if it would be possible to get the files for the aluminium parts so we could have them cut ourselves at a local shop? Reason I ask is because being British, I'm not sure how international shipping is coming into your plans, and we are seriously thinking of putting a system together for my band.
love your light system! the amount of time and detail you put into everything you've done is super impressive!!! hopefully, i'll get to buy some of your stuff and put them into good use. Keep on doing what you're doing...you are truly amazing :)
wLED supports UDP and art-net too, one of the coolest things about building something with wLED is that you can send udp packets at any time and they'll update the display. so you can throw together and hack stuff that incorporates all the wLED instances you have around, even in clocks and other specialized displays
I'm still learning WLED so this is a really cool comment! If you havent already joined, I'd love to connect on the discord channel at some point to pick your brain! discord.gg/9DrgG3NVAE
Hi - awesome system! Question - at the website , you have links for the spool parts, except the actual socket STL is missing. Will that be available? I would like to print one to try it out. Thanks!
Hey, justinahrens, thanks for bringing this to my attention! We've been fixing the website up recently so some things may have gotten a bit dicey. I'll get Andy on this asap, but in the meantime, if you wanted to reach out on my discord, I can send you the files directly! discord.gg/4EyFNZUV3B
I've quite wanted to make something similar, super awesome! Now with the pixels is there a place to connect them to each other (light to light) rather than directly to the controller? Side note the link for 22 AWG Conductor cable for canada goes to 3KG of PLA just to let you know.
I think if you wanted multiple rigs going, you'd want to just get a network switch to hook the rigs up to. Thanks for the note on the amazon link, should be fixed now!
Underrated dude!! Open source, with community involvement and looking to improve the restrictive world of media lighting for a modular one is something I’m looking forward to!
Hi, this is awesome! I can't wait to build them. What is the hardware controller you are using between the pixel addressable LED strips and the software?
It is totally possible to link Ableton to touchdesigner though we are still working on the best way to integrate this. We will be getting this sorted out asap!
Hey man i use touch designer and id lovee to be able to get my hands on that app you mentioned your buddys are working on. do they have any links i can follow to stay updated on when does it coem out?
Hey! The touch designer file can be found in the Downloads tab on our website Petallighting.com. We also have a petal lighting youtube channel where we plan on uploading some more tutorial videos on touch designer and everything else
The aluminum parts for the spools are available now with the full spool kits coming soon! you can put many different connectors in them, just might need some custom 3d printed adapters depending on the socket type you want to use, but I'm happy to model something up if you already have a specific connector in mind!
Appreciate that! I just built them out of homedepot parts and a couple 3d printed parts. I will be doing a build tutorial videos on those eventually but feel free to message me on discord if you want more info right away! discord.gg/9DrgG3NVAE
T polish this you could make the spools more compact + weighted, the LED tubes compactible, and a much smaller connector, keeping the XLR type jacketing ofc. You could use this as a method to generate industry hype through modular designs as well. Your bases could then just be cheap esp32's that translate to your RGB protocol. Others could make different things for their specific purposes, retaining all the features you were making anyways. Perhaps in a few iterations translate this to wireless stations with wireless charging - the nrf series of boards can do low power stuff.
I know you mentioned the requirement of a DMX board as a shortcoming of version 1, but will it be possible to control version 2 via an existing DMX controller? I would love to simply integrate into my existing lighting system. (3 pin or 5 pin is fine, as I have spare universes on my ADJ WMX1)
There are definitely a few options, the easiest of which by using an old fashioned DMX decoder and the analogue LED tubes as opposed to the pixel controller and addressable LEDs. Unfortunately if you wanted to keep the pixel control, standard DMX is just a bit too impractical to use. There may be ways you could preprogram scenes and then just trigger them with standard DMX but im not too sure if that would work properly
I think you have just made every major lighting manufacturer shat themselves, honestly what you have created is flawless, i didn't expect this long awaited update video to be so major i was expecting it to be similar to the version one but with a diffrent voltage, pixel mapping and a little more compact. But you have easily outdone yourself, congrats! I'm going to share this video with everyone I know who might show any signs of being remotely interested. The possibilities are endless!
Thank you so much for the kind words! Sharing this video is so appreciated
I think he should start a brand for that I would really like to pay for that, most of the products on the market now is too difficult for beginners
AHHHH. Dude. As an electrical engineer and self proclaimed lighting designer myself, this is EXACTLY what I’ve wanted and looked to build myself. This is so so cool and am kind of mad that I finally got approved for budget to make V1 and now I definitely have to go back and ask for more to make this thing. So cool, and good luck with this!!
V2 should be similar in cost to V1 so you should still be fine! Working on getting more concrete numbers together ASAP
The project's really coming along! The aluminum spool sides being cut from the same sheet is genius! Saves money and waste, and no loss in performance! Looks cool, too! Glad you're working with the addressable LEDs. Just adds to it!
Keep up the great work!!!
As an independent DJ, I absolutely love this!! Especially the part where you use Touch Designer, if a DJ can just use his music as an input and have the DMX react to it, that sounds ideal for any music!
You just earned a lifetime subscriber. I’m blown away by the concept and implementation but your presentation is spot on. I see huge impact coming to the underground/renegade scene! Tremendously inspiring and a top job well done - thank you!
As a musician and former lighting designer turned electrical engineering student, this is awesome and tickles all of my fancies. I've been working on designs for something that is basically one of these, but I've been struggling with a couple of aspects of what I need it to do. I think that I can adapt some of your design here to make my project work, as well as a couple of other projects I've got planned but haven't been able to get around to yet.
Amazing! If you wanted to chat more about your plans, feel free to reach out on the discord linked in the description!
i think you just changed the industry. cant wait to see the full kit in production.. your website should have the same aesthetic as the 13:10 "choose your configuation" section. that looks so slick.
Thanks so much! Aha I had a fun time making that part of the video. We're still working on the site so we might be able to incorporate some of that aesthetic!
Holy freakin whut!! This video has so many levels of mindblowingness. Everything seems incredibly well thought out to actual, practical situations of creative individuals. I’m speechless
As a performer who hacked together a light set up that gets the job done but is VERY inefficient to put together (taking anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour to set up), I am so glad I was able to find this page so I can upgrade to something so efficient. Now EVERY performance I have can be set up with lights, instead of only a select few where I have time. Thank you so much for this work and looking forward to this product.
Ah I'm glad i could maybe give you some ideas to help with your setup! This was the main driving force when I designed the original system especially since some of the changeovers between bands were like 5 minutes and I had to set up a drum kit as well so this was an absolute necessity for the groups I was playing with! We often got compliments from stage hands about how we were the fastest show theyve ever seen set up by a long shot
As someone looking at a DIY lighting solution for my current musical projects, I just want to say thank you for this whole series in general! Your explanation is in depth and completely thought out, and you have genuinely thought all of the kinks!
Thanks so much!
This is AMAZING work. Really super super cool man. I'm here to support and encourage this journey as our band has recently started looking into DIY lighting kits to up our live shows. Very impressive work
Thanks! Please reach out if you have any questions!
ok! I came here from the version 1 video and already commented on that one that you should start up a manufacturing company, and so this was a real treat to see that you're already doing that!!!! And so far from what I can see this is going to be a HUGE hit!!! The simplicity of setup and sheer power of the effect blows away most ground systems I've seen. The design of the spool is genius to save on materials but still look amazing! And I've already mentioned in the other video but I'll say it again....Canadians rock!
Appreciate the comments! Hopefully we can get these systems out to enough people to get the ball rolling!
I'm building my first diy lamp for my son that space themed. But this is NEXT LEVEL amazing! Great JOB!
Do you have a video showing what you are working on I have a similar interest right now.
Wow, this is Perfekt! Thanks alot, this changes everything. It is a perfection of the system i wanted to do for my new band Project!Talking as a Light Operator doing Stage lighting with "Professional Manufactured" Fixtures for many Years now, this Is way more Thought through as most super Expensive Fixtures on the Market. And the Look is just beautiful! Thanks so much !!!
Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
I'm just here to try to make this work for D&D sessions. I've been using WLED for a while, so this would be idea and I could pack up the lights in a box after sessions.
What a great use case!
This is amazing. Can't wait to purchase the entire system, fully assembled, since my EE chops are weak sauce.
Hoping to get this out asap! Did you fill out the survey on the website?
Yes I did! Look forward to hearing from you guys.
This is AWESOME. As a sound and lighting guy I’m in love with it. As an employee at a metal fab shop who uses Fusion all day, those bases are perfection.
Awe man, it means a lot that you can appreciate the bases! They are my favourite part of the system ahaha
best thing to ever happen to the industry
Well, this is just amazing. That project went from clever DIY to professional revolution. I'm slowly getting into the world of stage lighting and this is simply inspiring!
Thanks so much!
You did a fantastic job with this! I definately want to purchase as soon as you put it on your website.
Damn man! That's awesome! I was trying to build my own addressable tube lights, actually I built some prototypes with wooden bases last year fairly inspired by your old videos about diffusion and basically a version 1, but for my setup I couldn't afford the DMX as I was using WS2812 led strips for that, 60 pixels per meter (180 channels per 1 meter tube). So I came up with the ridiculous idea that I can do that using Arduino as I also want to connect that to Ableton Live. So I programmed this whole thing from scratch in Arduino but I also had to make my own plugin in MAX to have a connection via Live. I'm now finishing up rebuilding the lights using your v1 idea with this home depot made bases etc. But I see now it won't be that versatile as Petal. From this place I want to congratulate you man! You are an inspiration, you have to know that!
Really appreciate the kind words! Good luck with your project!
This is huge 🔥 implemented the V1 on our bands current tour, and it’s been a breeze. Hype for the future of PETAL!!
Love that you've been having success with v1!
I just found your channel, and as a musician, computer science student, and tinkerer, you got me watching your videos at 12:30am knowing I have a 8am in the morning
As someone who often goes down youtube rabbit holes at night despite early mornings, i really appreciate this comment! Hope you weren't too tired!
I love it! So glad to see this come together. I hope you have great success with it
this version 2 is awesome, i can understand and it seems very helpful such as a beginner like me. I can’t wait to follow your instructions to get more awesome lighting in our band room
Thanks so much! I am starting to upload more in depth videos on the petal lighting TH-cam channel linked in the description of you want some more info!
I've been building this same thing in my head for years. If you have the potential I'd recommend designing in a pipe clamp attachment to the spool so you could mount them upside down on a lighting rig. Great work!!!
That's a great idea! We are working on additional fixtures that are more tailored for rigging as opposed to using the spool base
Since he start to explain V1, I was researching project like this. This dude change my mind about the project which I want to build and add some vision to me. Thanks man!
Phenomenal work dude, this is such an awesome project
This is so awesome! Thank you and I cannot wait for the future videos
Great idea. You're a kindred spirit. I'm exited for the spools and plan to order some to support you; but I'm also unbelievably excited about the software/controller as I've beaten a large flat spot onto my forehead over the last 15 years or so trying to find the right software to realize my ideas for my current DMX stage lighting rig.
Very nice design! I would like to know more in depth about connecting everything together and electrical side.
I was also wondering what is the TH-cam channel of Andrew and Austin for touchdesinger stuff? :/
Thats an awesome idea, just got the video from a colleague. We already have our own idea to control LED Stripes with DMX, but your idea to make it all transportable is great.
Love this and seeing how far you have come from the first prototype to now.
May I ask if this works with MA3?
Thanks so much! It should work well with MA3. It can easily be controlled with artnet or SACN
This is so friggin cool! As a self taught lighting designer for musical preferences and dj’s I really want to try something like this. What really caught my eye is the touch designer pixel control which is really confusing me and I can’t find anything about it online. 😢 could you make a programming tutorial and teach us how to dig octa? I found you while searching for ways to control custom LED fixtures in cells (pixel groups) and I can’t find anything this cool! You are on another level of genius ❤
These look amazing! I’m going to be doing a Star Wars themed Halloween and most of this will be perfect for my setup, except I’ll be setting them up as lightsabers! At 16:44 you show the ability to stack the tubes. Have you done more with that? And can you provide any more details on what parts you used?
These stacking tubes were pretty rough prototypes but we are working on a refined version of these now and I will have a video about them soon!
Hell yeah. Super good start. Love it
Wowwww, I'm been only 6 months and I still feel late to the party! Mindblowing proposition, generous and intelligent work. Thank you, I will be buying a kit for sure!
Thanks so much!
You deserve everything that is coming your way 💪 really good stuff!
I really appreciate that, thanks so much!
Dude you are a genius , I love your design and the thought that has gone into building versions one and two and are amazing especially version two with the new spools , I mean to come up with the idea of using the spools as the light bases is inspired , I would definitely buy the entire light rig if it became available for widespread sale , I would love to make my own but i am only just getting into lighting and don't have that much knowledge yet so yeah would definitely buy them , all in all your design is very awesome and seriously impressive , subscribed straight away and look forwards to more videos , nice work dude 🤘
Thanks so much! That means a lot 🥹. We are just about to start shipping the diy kits which can be assembled with very little experience required, if that’s something you might be interested in. Come join the discord channel linked in the description though if you wanted to chat more!
God bless you sir. You, your designs, and this channel are awesome. Keep up the inspiring work!
Brilliant. I have been gathering parts to make my version of your V1 and this has thrown the cat amongst the pigeons! Amazing build, well-done, great design
Nice! And using the Dig Octa no less, brilliant choice and makes it possible to control with DMX when using the Sync modes of WLED, too.
RGB LED lighting has always had one problem for me, resolution. Slow color fades are really noticeable with the standard 8 Bit resolution especially at low brightness.
I would love to see a addressable 16 Bit RGB Controller for LED strips. Of cause you can't address individual LEDs just the whole strip.
Interesting, perhaps we need to look into developing a board with 16 bit
Amazing! What impressive R&D. Bravo
Many thanks!
Thanks a lot for all your posts.
Wonderful to see how you upgraded the original analog lights.
You inspired me to build my own version of mobil light strips.
Since I couldn´t get cheap plastic tubes I used metal rails with mat plexi covers. It looks very slim and smooth.
I might also build a pixel version of them at some stage!
Keep it going and all the best!
woaw this is so cool. I already started on building V1 but this is so much better. I gues im gonna start building this now. Thanks for making the spools purchasable, I was already thinking: how am I gonna make that haha
Awe I'm excited to see how your build turns out! Feel free to reach out if you have any questions!
This is mindblowing! Thanks dude! I was looking for something like this ❤
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Literally changing the game, you are a Pioneer!
you are a genius, I was looking to build some led pixel bars since a while but wasn't sure how, too many options, thank you made it more clear in my head now just need to express creativity
Any idea on how I could do a similar setup but with truss clamps instead of ground stacking ?
There certainly are infinite possibilities with all these parts! I think a truss clamp set up will work great! I think you'd just need to use some sort of locking connector like xlr or nl4 to connect the fixtures instead of the spool socket system (Though i am currently brainstorming a hanging rig) but truss clamps should be able to attach easily to your fixtures! Feel free to message me on discord: discord.gg/9DrgG3NVAE
Big ups! I was immediately a fan of version 1 back when I first stumbled into your build and you've done a fantastic job with the upgrades. It sounds like I have been on a similar path as Andrew and Austin with the software side of things, especially with Touchdesigner becoming the central control for all on-stage visual fx, Do they have a channel?
Thanks so much for sticking around! Andy and Austin are going to start making videos on the Petal Lighting TH-cam Channel soon! If you join the Petal Discord Channel linked in the description, we keep everyone updated there and feel free to reach out as well!
Great project. I'm going to look into trying to build your design. I just finished my own, But it's not as robust for touring applications.
You should definitely build daisy chaining into V3, each dig OCTA output can control 600 pixels, and most, if not all, pixel control software allows you to split each Pixel string into multiple fixtures.
Great stuff. We want to buy the spool and controller kit for a show in November. Any idea if we'd get it by then? And since there are no fixtures being sold on the website, is there an updated video to build the v2's?
We could certainly get you a spool and controller kit well before November provided you are located in North America! We are working hard on a fixture kit but I will be coming out with a fixture build video in the next week or so that might give you some ideas for fixtures you may want to make for your show! Shoot us an email at petallighting@gmail.com
Lighting isn't even relevant to me, but I've watched all your videos and have subbed. There's so much thought and care that goes into everything you build, it's very inspiring. I have no doubt you'll rapidly grow as a channel given the quality of the content and passion you have for what you do. Can't wait to see more!
I really appreciate your support!
Awsome design, reels and stands at the same time, it's genius!
I would really like to know more about the touch designer, WLED settings and connecting the touch designer to the WLED
Thanks so much! I am going to start putting out more tutorial style videos on the Petal Lighting youtube channel where there will be some much more in depth Touch Designer and WLED videos soon!
bro shut up and take my money what da heeeeeeell🤯
great work! 💪looking forward for more content and updates! that's the future of event lightning for suuuuure!
much love from UA🇺🇦☀
I am the pastor of a large church and have been looking for something like this for years. Can't wait to get one and start playing with it!
I love it! It's been a fun project so far. Much more to come!
This is amazing. Watching this video inspired me with so many different ideas, both on a creative side and a logistics side. You are all designing an incredible product here that I am very interested in. I didn’t think I’d see someone else program lights using a DMXIS & Ableton, do you use all automation lanes to program or do you use the MIDI method?
I was using all automation lines originally but this new rig will go more the MIDI method and I may even start designing shows using videos and basic graphic design programs which then get uploaded into touchdesigner as a media file
@@SuperValidDesigns That is awesome! Bummer they stopped making the DMXIS, gotta make sure nothing happens to the one I have now lol. This is such a cool setup, the work you put in is really incredible. Definitely something that can change the DIY lighting game for smaller bands/musicians.
Thanks you so much for this vidéo. There is a thing I can't undestand : Do you use the ethernet port of the octa brainboard ? In fact I would like to understand how you connect the octa system to touch designer. I watched the vidéos of the octa system but didnt find an explication of how informations come into the system. Does the octasystem has a predefined number of channels like your previous DMX decoder ? How the octa system knows you send data for 17 pixels, is there a software ? Why dont you connect the octa system with artnet, so maybe you could have multiple universes inside each port (does it's possible ?)
Thanks you again !
Thanks for the great questions! I'll try and address all of them here:
The ethernet port is usable but I actually just used wifi in my video as it was already set up for that. I just had to go inside the WLED software which is on the actual DigOcta board to turn on Artnet Mode which lets Touch Designer Control it. WLED is also the software that lets you tell the controller how many pixels are in each fixture and what channel they are on. The dig octa can handle 2,500 pixels with up to 600 on any given channel i believe so it can certainly handle multiple universes at once.
I hope that answered everything but let me know if you have more questions!
Really interested in this design! A question about programming in v2. I might have missed it in the video. Does V2 allow a DMX feed from an external console? Say I wanted to incorporate these in a much larger lighting set up. Also how difficult would it be to re-address them? Say I wanted to expand from 8 to 24, 36, plus? Not concerned about them expanding different universes, as it seems you made sure to fit 8 in a universe. Would really love to see these as features if at all possible. Thanks for the video and demo.
Edit: another question in regards to the “neon light tubing” whats the max length supported per tube? Would really love to be able to craft custom client designs with this set up. Does the neon light support pixel mapping also?
Great questions all around. I am not too sure what the best way to incorporate this specific rig into an existing console via DMX would be. Since this rig uses Pixels, the amount of channels required would be insane, well beyond a single universe of DMX so we are using artnet to control these currently. I dont come from a background of using DMX boards so, while I think there is probably a way to do it, I havent been able to figure out how yet. My version 1 rig, however, which used analogue LED strips was completely dmx controllable and only took up 24 channels and this new rig can be easily adapted to use the same analogue strips
For the neon tube lighting, since we are using 24v, you can go pretty darn long with them. We were messing around with one fixture that was a 6 foot diameter circle, and the system was able to light the entire strip without any power injection and with no noticeable voltage drop throughout so you could get away with a fixture of almost 20 feet in length (the strips come in 16 foot lengths and we can light up the whole thing from one end). Having 8 of these long fixtures would likely require a heftier power supply though.
The neon strips are indeed addressable and support pixel mapping
@@SuperValidDesigns So ArtNet is supported?
@@mc-rap2035 You bet!
Can you link to the guys touchdesigner work? I couldn't find a mention of where to find their project
The touch designer project is available on our website Petallighting.com!
Are your friends releasing the software they are designing to public use? I would like to get my hands on something like that. Would make Christmas time much easier to setup.
yes! the file is available for free on Petallighting.com
@@SuperValidDesigns Is it under the download tab? I am unable to access that tab. Nothing happens when clicking it.
@@SuperValidDesigns Scratch that it was just my browser.
I was super thrown off, I thought you were holding a 3D printing spool of filament. It was a pleasant surprise to see it was a open source lighting rig!
Amazing upgrades! DXM was great back in 1986 but is woefully obsolete in 2024. I'm glad you went with wifi and ethernet. Your first version was held back by this standard. Now this current version looks amazing and I might be building one. Being able to set up something in minutes is game changing.
Thanks so much! I agree, DMX is very limited and the ethernet option opens up so many more capabilities!
this is simply epic, amazing work
I'm buying this as soon as it's available, awesome design work here
The website is now live! Petallighting.com
Interesting concept. I have a system that runs off my phone/ laptop using WLED through a wireless access point, sending data to esp8266 chips wirelessely. The chips are deployed with the lighting fixtures, and the only cable that is needed at the light source is power.
I like your method too, but need the flexibility of wireless in certain scenarios. I wonder if theres a way to make this a hybrid wired/wireless "home base", if that makes any sense.
I've been thinking about wireless solutions. While I'd suggest against it for live music where reliability is most important, I definitely see where a wireless solution would be very beneficial. I was totally thinking, having the tubes with batteries in them that connect to the bases to charge but can easily be removed in those circumstances where you need it to be wireless. I think that totally makes sense!
@@SuperValidDesignsSpools with batteries, make the base also be the charger. Keep the data lines so you can run wired when you want or wireless when needed. Also means no special fixtures needed.
I had JUST found your analog system videos a couple days ago and was getting ready to pull the trigger on building one, but then I see THIS! Good christ man this is a bloody gold mine. I shall indeed be a customer. Good luck!
Dude my mind blew when you showed us how you did the whole spool out of one metal circle. 10/10 design man
Edit: 4:25 idk but cant you send like 5v and 12v over the cable? same data and same gnd, so you can use 12v and 24v strips/lamps?
I don't know if its worth it but i can imagine there are cool lamps only for 12v and maybe other cool ones only coming in 24v, so you are even more flexible.
Edit2: NVM 2minutes later you talked about exactly that thought.
I definitely want to make 5v and 12v fixtures work with this system as they allow for more dense pixel configurations. Coming soon!
Ayyyyy was looking forward to seing this video
This is a great project. Actually I am trying to re-create the tube lights v1. and I am really interested in how v2 will go. Quick feedback: as mentioned the website will be updated, in current page the font colors mixing with background colors and everything is white on offering section when you access the page from desktop chrome.
Thanks so much for bringing this to my attention! We are still working on the website and we are still learning how to do this so the feedback is very much appreciated!
Oh my GOD! so excited!!
Did anyone find comparably priced tubes in Germany (or Europe)? I've been looking at acrylic and polycarbonate tubes but they seem to be either out of stock or much more expensive (starting at 20€/piece) than these home depot tube guards.
I’ve heard these tube guards are hard to find in Europe. I’m currently trying to find a better, more durable option that the tube guards myself.
This looks brilliant! I wanna buy the whole solution in one package.
My setup is that I'm running automated lights from Logic, via MIDI to DMX. DMXIS was great but I had to find another solution (as they discontinued) and opted for DOREMiDi MTD-1024. I guess the Vintage model would be my pick to match this, although I'm intrigued by the pixel talk but a bit confused as to how I would implement that to my setup.
The pixels definitely add a huge amount of capabilities without affecting the physical form factor. I’m gonna try and get some more tutorial like videos going so I’d love to know exactly what your current setup is like and maybe I can try to come up with a solution that can implement easily with a rig like yours!
@@SuperValidDesigns I'm running Logic Pro for my backing tracks, so the question is how do I control the lights with a pixel solution? With my DOREMiDi MTD-1024 I get a USB to DMX connection whilst converting from Midi to DMX.
I think many would be interested in instructional videos on how to solve what DMXIS did, but also taking it to a new level, which you seem to be doing.
@@kidamazed I'm just finishing up a tutorial video on how I programmed my light show using our touch designer template and a video file which i made specifically for the light show. In the demo, I run the entire thing off of touch designer but in your case, you'd be able to run your tracks on Logic and send midi signals to touch designer to trigger different scenes. I havent tried doing that myself but it should be pretty straight forward, but we'll be sure to figure out exactly how to do this with any daw and we'll release a video about it as soon as we do!
This looks amazing,! Are the brain build files not available anymore on the Petal website? I don't seem to be able to locate them in the Google Drive
We havent put the brain files up yet, we were still finalizing things and then never got around to it. I will have to put together a folder for all those files asap!
@@SuperValidDesignsFantastic!
Simply Phenomenal! ❤
This looks insane!
was doing some research, and was wondering, what power supply you are recommending for this and if the one that is mentioned on the DIG OCTA for the HC board is the one that you guys are using/including?
The psu that quinled recommends are great! I just purchased the highest watt 24v psu on Amazon that was under 50 dollars, which ended up being 360W which is more than enough for these tubes but 500 watt psus would be nice if you wanted to go with huge fixtures and they are pretty easy to find at the same physical size
Damn, you killed it
I have a quinled dig quad controller with ethernet functionality (hat), but I don't know how to find the IP address when the controller is plugged into my computers rj-45 port. Do I have to manually change my ip to static to find the device? If you have any experience in it please let me know thank you and great video!. Deployment is on point with your strategy.
Great question and if I'm being honest, I struggle a bit myself when it comes to the networking side and I've just been using my system via wifi mostly. We have had a few guys in the discord talk about this and I think there are some solutions there, I just havent gone through it yet lol. I run a mac and I do have an rj45 dongle but i've heard it can be a little more complicated with mac than PC.
I was wondering if it would be possible to get the files for the aluminium parts so we could have them cut ourselves at a local shop? Reason I ask is because being British, I'm not sure how international shipping is coming into your plans, and we are seriously thinking of putting a system together for my band.
Absolutely! if you can pop onto my discord and shoot me a message, i'll send them right to you! discord.gg/9DrgG3NVAE
love your light system! the amount of time and detail you put into everything you've done is super impressive!!! hopefully, i'll get to buy some of your stuff and put them into good use. Keep on doing what you're doing...you are truly amazing :)
wLED supports UDP and art-net too, one of the coolest things about building something with wLED is that you can send udp packets at any time and they'll update the display. so you can throw together and hack stuff that incorporates all the wLED instances you have around, even in clocks and other specialized displays
I'm still learning WLED so this is a really cool comment! If you havent already joined, I'd love to connect on the discord channel at some point to pick your brain! discord.gg/9DrgG3NVAE
Hi - awesome system! Question - at the website , you have links for the spool parts, except the actual socket STL is missing. Will that be available? I would like to print one to try it out. Thanks!
Hey, justinahrens, thanks for bringing this to my attention! We've been fixing the website up recently so some things may have gotten a bit dicey. I'll get Andy on this asap, but in the meantime, if you wanted to reach out on my discord, I can send you the files directly! discord.gg/4EyFNZUV3B
@@SuperValidDesigns Thanks! -I joined and found the files. I will give it a go!
@@SuperValidDesigns Ah - wait, I see these are from 10/20/2023. Are they the latest? I am not sure how to send you a message in Discord.
@@justinahrens1868 This is the latest design!
I've quite wanted to make something similar, super awesome! Now with the pixels is there a place to connect them to each other (light to light) rather than directly to the controller?
Side note the link for 22 AWG Conductor cable for canada goes to 3KG of PLA just to let you know.
I think if you wanted multiple rigs going, you'd want to just get a network switch to hook the rigs up to. Thanks for the note on the amazon link, should be fixed now!
Underrated dude!!
Open source, with community involvement and looking to improve the restrictive world of media lighting for a modular one is something I’m looking forward to!
So if you were to offer full rig builds would you stil keep everything open source and allow people to download the files and build their own?
Absolutely!
Your progress on this system is so exciting to watch. Really excited to get involved and hopefully contribute in the future.
Hi, this is awesome! I can't wait to build them. What is the hardware controller you are using between the pixel addressable LED strips and the software?
I’m using the digocta board by quinled
@@SuperValidDesignsawesome thanks 🤩
I LOVE you for doing this.
Soooo awesome! You are pushing the boundaries and we are watching!!
I'm interested in being able to synch the lights to a backing beat in Abelton, is that possible with this system here?
It is totally possible to link Ableton to touchdesigner though we are still working on the best way to integrate this. We will be getting this sorted out asap!
Hey man i use touch designer and id lovee to be able to get my hands on that app you mentioned your buddys are working on. do they have any links i can follow to stay updated on when does it coem out?
Hey! The touch designer file can be found in the Downloads tab on our website Petallighting.com. We also have a petal lighting youtube channel where we plan on uploading some more tutorial videos on touch designer and everything else
How to stay in touch with the development of the software for touchdesigner of Andrew and Austin?
Join the Petal Discord! Its linked in the description
I haven't watched it but I love it already!
When will you be releasing the spools? And can you put different connectors in them?
The aluminum parts for the spools are available now with the full spool kits coming soon! you can put many different connectors in them, just might need some custom 3d printed adapters depending on the socket type you want to use, but I'm happy to model something up if you already have a specific connector in mind!
this is fucking amazing, you nailed it man.
Do you have a link to the Tele17 tubes? I don’t see it in the description, but I’d love to make sure you earn a commission, if possible.
Appreciate that! I just built them out of homedepot parts and a couple 3d printed parts. I will be doing a build tutorial videos on those eventually but feel free to message me on discord if you want more info right away! discord.gg/9DrgG3NVAE
T polish this you could make the spools more compact + weighted, the LED tubes compactible, and a much smaller connector, keeping the XLR type jacketing ofc. You could use this as a method to generate industry hype through modular designs as well. Your bases could then just be cheap esp32's that translate to your RGB protocol. Others could make different things for their specific purposes, retaining all the features you were making anyways. Perhaps in a few iterations translate this to wireless stations with wireless charging - the nrf series of boards can do low power stuff.
I love the way you're thinking! This is exactly where id like to see the project go, with the community going wild with their own designs
I know you mentioned the requirement of a DMX board as a shortcoming of version 1, but will it be possible to control version 2 via an existing DMX controller? I would love to simply integrate into my existing lighting system. (3 pin or 5 pin is fine, as I have spare universes on my ADJ WMX1)
There are definitely a few options, the easiest of which by using an old fashioned DMX decoder and the analogue LED tubes as opposed to the pixel controller and addressable LEDs. Unfortunately if you wanted to keep the pixel control, standard DMX is just a bit too impractical to use. There may be ways you could preprogram scenes and then just trigger them with standard DMX but im not too sure if that would work properly
Absolutely amazing!