Your opponent's brilliant tactical play went far beyond what one would expect from a sub-2000 player, so there's little doubt that he was getting silicon assistance. However, the game was still very enjoyable because of your terrific explanations of your thought processes. Clearly, the telling of your Tal story led to you being distracted towards the end, but it all added to our enjoyment, so well done once again, Simon.
Its no consolation to find out he was a cheat after youve already gone through the feeling of defeat to a far weaker player, though Ive got to commend you for having the balls to still upload it.
I enjoyed the video! Like you always say, "its not who you play, it's how a grandmaster thinks during the course of a game". Love all your videos (even when you play no good dirty cheats)!
totally understand ur frustration, but i really do speak for the people that love your channel, it still was a damm instructional video and i personally got some very useful tips ! and lots of respect for having balls posting that ! really lots of respect
I like it when you play lower rated players. It helps me to see the types of mistakes that I'm making in my own game. Please keep doing videos like this! It's a privilege to be able to see how a grandmaster thinks and how they exploit people at my type of rating.
As an instructional video it doesn't really matter that he cheated. We still recognize the quality of your play and your wonderful ideas even when they are defeated by a computer. I understand it is annoying for you though :) but great to watch for the general public anyway. Thanks
It reminds me of playing practice games against a modestly strong computer program. I thought I had an impenetrable pawn chain and then boom, the computer sacrificed a piece to break through. Of course it got the material back with interest and obtained a won position. The videos are very instructive.
I enjoyed this, hearing your thought process on how to approach positions step by step is really valuable. Thank you for the great content. You are very well spoken and entertaining. Surely you need a beer after this game
You played a great game .. Your ideas were lot helpful.. and even playing with a computer teaches us that how easily we can lose the control of the game .. well it's sometimes more hard to win a winning game.. anyways we all enjoyed and liked your ideas and in the end that's what matters..Thanks for the video..✌️
Love your instructional videos. The cheater spoils it a little bit but it was still educational. Job well done mate. Would love to see some more of this wing gambit opening!
Well done Simon. A frustrating hour for you no doubt, but fwiw a lot of us find the whole process of deducing you've unearthed a cheat quite fascinating. I heard he was banned now so that's good.
Loved the video. I thought your reaction at the end was hilarious eventhough you were understandably very frustrated. It sucks that the guy cheated but you fought admirably well.. "perhaps Magnus took a break from Norway" 😆
I can't believe there are actual comments saying that guy is not a cheater. A player who is good enough to find that sacrifice AND all the right moves after that, will not allow himself to get into such cramped positions in the first place.
when Simon started telling his story I thought--that is pretty remarkable to be able to keep the game thought process in tact while u r mentally onto something else. then, boom.
He was definitely cheating my friend. Over 99 per cent accuracy is insane!! 😮 I still enjoyed the video, and your stories 😊 keep up the good work, and hopefully, we will get to see you play a human next time 👍
Thanks Hillbilly :). I am sorry some of videos do not take your fancy. When I am pushed for time, it is just easier to edit a video form a stream, rather than make a new one.
@@GingerGM I like your honesty, Simon. I have been a fan since you started uploading chess videos. Unfortunately, every now and again I tend to whine and complain. That said, it is obvious that you do put alot of offort into your work, and people can see that.
I like the way you explain the f5 move while you knew it wasn't the best move according to the computer. To bad we couldn't see more 'squeezing' against a human player.
Thanks for the video. I think you played the bishop move quickly and didn't calculate that knight sack. I would have been interesting to see you play out the game stopping that sack. Enjoy you always. Keep the videos coming.
it looks like a cheat. At least in the end. The problem is that he just needs to have an acceptable position in the middle of the game and start playing with a computer in the end. Either this is a Magnus Calsen's or Caruana's account, or it's a cheat. By the way, the wing gambit is not so dubious. After the opening, Simon was better (he had huge space advantage at least. He should have taken on E5 though). But it is clear that there was nothing wrong with the opening. 99.4% accuracy does not exist for a 1900 player.
@@GingerGM yes, that is the way to go outside standard lines and it gives new opportunities. Ironically, in your game, you tried to stop any counterplay which is a great way of playing, but the computer find the way to open up the position with his knight sacrifice. So as you quoted Alekhine, everybody tries to have the perfect positional game but in the end tactical issues always happen. And no human being can do anything against a computer in those case. Anyway you're doing a great job with those long games video. It's a pity there are so many cheaters (I think there are less cheaters on blitzgame. My best rating on chess.com was 2200 in blitz and only 1900 on long terms game. I was wondering why there was such a difference, but I was pretty sure than above 1900, there are many cheaters. So I deleted my account and I now only plays bullet and blitz on lichess. It is much more difficult to cheat on bullet game of course. But it is less interesting strategically speaking.
DISAPPOIIIIIIIINTEEEEED! Just for those who get it ;) . Thank you for the game Simon, i know it feels bad and frustrating to play a long time control to find yourself suffering an unmerited win (cheat, disconnection, ...). Hope you get to talk about the sicilian gambit next time (if you opponent knows some basic theory instead of basic cheating). Keep up the good work!
Perhaps you could first check your opponent's profile/stats before making your first move? At least in this case you would probably not have considered playing him seeing those stats? Nonetheless great instructive video as always. Thanks a lot!
Simon at the end you said that by looking at his ratings you can tell he is a cheat. Why not looking at his ratings before the game? ;) A good indication for cheats is when their bullet rating (where it's much more difficult to cheat) is way lower than their blitz or rapid.
I enjoyed this video because although he was clearly cheating from the middle game onwards, and purposefully sliding in 'slightly innacurate' moves to try and cover his cheating, I still gained a lot from the opening but also your thoughts in the middle and end game.
Glad you didn't take the free pawn and instead went to suffocate. The computer would probably have ended up getting a draw. But this was more entertaining and exposed a cheat
Only thing I'd disagree with the main man is I'd take the loss of tempo and punt a Bh4+ just to create some weaknesses if it was a weaker opponent. I definitely wouldn't do it against Simon though.
08:24 Bold of you to assume that I am lower rated than 1960. Plot twist: I am in fact lower rated than 1960 Classical (although a solid 1750 in Lichess blitz).
@@GingerGM it's not yours personally, it's just about the common way English speakers pronounce Alekhin. Originally it is Alyohin, stress on "o". "hin" sounds like in "hint".
I am always uploading in the highest definition 1080 and 60 fps. You are just too eager to watch the video ;). It takes TH-cam a bit of time to convert them, that is all.
When rook took bishop c4 your knights e4xd6 check bishop e7xd6 knight d2xrook c4 and you bishop take a2 you end up with a rook and 2 pawns for 2 strong nights!!
@@GingerGM It absolutely was! If you had to play it again, would you have done anything differently? Do you have any thoughts on taking all those pawns out and not castling? I notice that you and many GMs don't castle as early, if at all, as most instructors recommend for us average players.
Actually i dont think he's a cheat because he also played a lot of mistakes and his sacrifice was more or less needed to survive and then he just played the easy moves but of cause pretty strong but great video again
Lot of mistakes? His accuracy was 99.4, which is pretty incredible even for titled players. In my opinion, the tactical play at a critical point that he played, was simply out of his league judging by his general ratings. I mean, if he was such a strong player on his own, then why aren't his ratings generally higher? I can understand if blitz/bullet ratings were lower, but all his ratings are fairly low compared to how strongly he played in this game. He also was ahead in time, which is really strange when playing against a GM, while still making really strong and firm moves throughout the whole game in every stage. I am also very suspicious about this guy to be honest.
You think EVERYONE cheats, although you play random shit, and often do not play at GM level. That is why you are 2440 FIDE, your strength is currently that of an IM. BTW I have beaten IM level players in otb Blitz tournaments, and am rated 2086 FIDE rapid, and 20xx in USCF. And this is not hating, I bought two of your courses, and they helped me tremendously.
I don't think everyone cheats, I just think that cheats cheat! When someone has an accuracy level of 99.4 yet a blitz level of 1671 and tactic level of 1291 it makes you wonder... An accuracy level of 99.4 would beat most 2600 GMs. My rating is 2468 by the way ;) - and your talking about beating people in Blitz, yeah of course that happens, but how often in longer time limits? Not often.
@@GingerGM Yeah he had a high accuracy, he had only moves from a bad position, and you allowed him to sac to try to free his position. You also have to account the fact that the opening WAS NOT EVEN GOOD FOR HIM! His moves were not "blunders" perhaps, but you could have shut him down a lot sooner, hell, you could have played d5 attacking his knight, then fxe5, and Be3 stopping ... Bc5
@@GingerGM This is not to say your opponent was not a cheater (undecided on that) but I really dont get arguments like "well his blitz rating is xxxx" - I just got over 2000 on lichess the other day (not that high but I hope it gets the point across ;) ) and my blitz rating is still 13xx simply because I didnt play any rated blitz games since the very first month I created the account. Its obviously a tough topic since its almost imposssible to prove someone is cheating... however I feel like the only real giveaways should be a) he "thinks" about all moves equally long, b) he finds obscure tactics very fast or c) he waits to play an obvious continuation (a recapture or similar). Any arguments based on rating run the risk of higher rated players calling lower rated players cheats (and possibly even getting them unjustly banned) if they have a good day.
Your opponent's brilliant tactical play went far beyond what one would expect from a sub-2000 player, so there's little doubt that he was getting silicon assistance. However, the game was still very enjoyable because of your terrific explanations of your thought processes. Clearly, the telling of your Tal story led to you being distracted towards the end, but it all added to our enjoyment, so well done once again, Simon.
Its no consolation to find out he was a cheat after youve already gone through the feeling of defeat to a far weaker player, though Ive got to commend you for having the balls to still upload it.
I enjoyed the video! Like you always say, "its not who you play, it's how a grandmaster thinks during the course of a game". Love all your videos (even when you play no good dirty cheats)!
Cheers!
It’s your thought process that matters. I will still watch even if you lose every game against the engine.
Thanks Alexicek, I do think it is more useful to play against a human though. As we can often learn from our opponents mistakes.
GingerGM very true. Just don’t let it get you down too much!
totally understand ur frustration, but i really do speak for the people that love your channel, it still was a damm instructional video and i personally got some very useful tips ! and lots of respect for having balls posting that ! really lots of respect
I like it when you play lower rated players. It helps me to see the types of mistakes that I'm making in my own game. Please keep doing videos like this! It's a privilege to be able to see how a grandmaster thinks and how they exploit people at my type of rating.
As an instructional video it doesn't really matter that he cheated. We still recognize the quality of your play and your wonderful ideas even when they are defeated by a computer. I understand it is annoying for you though :) but great to watch for the general public anyway. Thanks
Thanks :) Hopefully still some useful tidbits in there.
It reminds me of playing practice games against a modestly strong computer program. I thought I had an impenetrable pawn chain and then boom, the computer sacrificed a piece to break through. Of course it got the material back with interest and obtained a won position.
The videos are very instructive.
I enjoyed this, hearing your thought process on how to approach positions step by step is really valuable. Thank you for the great content. You are very well spoken and entertaining. Surely you need a beer after this game
Cheers Mike! A beer was downed in the process of making this video...
well it sucks to play a 45 minute game against computer. still good video m8
The entertainment value of Simon's commentary is worth it.
He bigs up his position with confidence, and then backtracks and it's pure entertainment!
Cheers, just be nice to win the odd game...
You played a great game .. Your ideas were lot helpful.. and even playing with a computer teaches us that how easily we can lose the control of the game .. well it's sometimes more hard to win a winning game.. anyways we all enjoyed and liked your ideas and in the end that's what matters..Thanks for the video..✌️
I honestly still learn a ton from your videos whether you play humans or Stockfish. Thanks for sharing. Your loss is our gain :)
Thanks
Love your instructional videos. The cheater spoils it a little bit but it was still educational. Job well done mate. Would love to see some more of this wing gambit opening!
The guy's account has already been banned.
Another one bites the dust!
Dirty deeds, done dirt cheat
Still as instructive,
Well done Simon. A frustrating hour for you no doubt, but fwiw a lot of us find the whole process of deducing you've unearthed a cheat quite fascinating. I heard he was banned now so that's good.
It got suspicious for me when he started playing that piece sacrifice and the follow up so quickly.
So annoying with the cheats. But I really learned something from that knight sacrifice. Thanx for making these videos Simon. Love them all!
If you can't explain to someone why you're playing a move, then you're playing the wrong move, simple.
YOU'RE A MASTER OF LIFE SIMON
Ginger vs Stockfish. My favorite TH-cam series
lol
Thanks Ginger GM for your analysis and this video
Happy to do so!
Great ride Simon! Just a great ride. TY
Loved the video. I thought your reaction at the end was hilarious eventhough you were understandably very frustrated. It sucks that the guy cheated but you fought admirably well.. "perhaps Magnus took a break from Norway" 😆
I can't believe there are actual comments saying that guy is not a cheater. A player who is good enough to find that sacrifice AND all the right moves after that, will not allow himself to get into such cramped positions in the first place.
Clearly a cheater, those sacrifices and ...Bxf5 were amazing moves.
when Simon started telling his story I thought--that is pretty remarkable to be able to keep the game thought process in tact while u r mentally onto something else. then, boom.
He was definitely cheating my friend. Over 99 per cent accuracy is insane!! 😮
I still enjoyed the video, and your stories 😊 keep up the good work, and hopefully, we will get to see you play a human next time 👍
Very nice game Simon ! Don't worry about cheaters ! They don't get anything with their behaviour ...
They get kicked off chess.com!
Simon I enjoyed that.... the N sack for two pawns and leaving another two isscolated was very instructive.
Yes, that was a very strong sac.
Good video, bro. You are a fine teacher, indeed.
Thanks Hillbilly :). I am sorry some of videos do not take your fancy. When I am pushed for time, it is just easier to edit a video form a stream, rather than make a new one.
@@GingerGM I like your honesty, Simon. I have been a fan since you started uploading chess videos. Unfortunately, every now and again I tend to whine and complain. That said, it is obvious that you do put alot of offort into your work, and people can see that.
I like the way you explain the f5 move while you knew it wasn't the best move according to the computer. To bad we couldn't see more 'squeezing' against a human player.
Thank you still for the video. I also didn't see that tactic followed by Bxf5, Amazing stuff...
44:45
tbh i wouldve played the bishop check too...was even the first thing that came to my mind ;S
Thanks for the good commentary ol chap. Always good insights, even if you are playing a computer.
Cheers
very good video, I definitely learned a lot
Thanks for the video. I think you played the bishop move quickly and didn't calculate that knight sack. I would have been interesting to see you play out the game stopping that sack. Enjoy you always. Keep the videos coming.
I just missed the Knight sac, was a bit of a shocker!
I really enjoy every time Simon is losing to Stockfish! 😃
Me, not so much...
it looks like a cheat. At least in the end. The problem is that he just needs to have an acceptable position in the middle of the game and start playing with a computer in the end. Either this is a Magnus Calsen's or Caruana's account, or it's a cheat. By the way, the wing gambit is not so dubious. After the opening, Simon was better (he had huge space advantage at least. He should have taken on E5 though). But it is clear that there was nothing wrong with the opening. 99.4% accuracy does not exist for a 1900 player.
The more I look at the Wing Gambit the more I like it. :) Magnus recently played it.
@@GingerGM yes, that is the way to go outside standard lines and it gives new opportunities. Ironically, in your game, you tried to stop any counterplay which is a great way of playing, but the computer find the way to open up the position with his knight sacrifice. So as you quoted Alekhine, everybody tries to have the perfect positional game but in the end tactical issues always happen. And no human being can do anything against a computer in those case. Anyway you're doing a great job with those long games video. It's a pity there are so many cheaters (I think there are less cheaters on blitzgame. My best rating on chess.com was 2200 in blitz and only 1900 on long terms game. I was wondering why there was such a difference, but I was pretty sure than above 1900, there are many cheaters. So I deleted my account and I now only plays bullet and blitz on lichess. It is much more difficult to cheat on bullet game of course. But it is less interesting strategically speaking.
Still enjoyed the video, Simon! Even if you lose against these cheaters there's still loads to take away from it for us lower rated players.
34:58 what about knight takes d6 with check to give 2 knights for a rook and 2 lawns
i enjoyed your video.
Cheers!
DISAPPOIIIIIIIINTEEEEED! Just for those who get it ;) . Thank you for the game Simon, i know it feels bad and frustrating to play a long time control to find yourself suffering an unmerited win (cheat, disconnection, ...). Hope you get to talk about the sicilian gambit next time (if you opponent knows some basic theory instead of basic cheating). Keep up the good work!
I will try the opening again, that's for sure :)
11:40 very good advice
Yea I learnt alot from this video 😂, how to defend against stockfish 10 and still lose 😂
lol
@dagnu my comment is about fun ... If you didn't get it, I guess you deserve to lose IQ points for real ....
@@MichelNabil Can't lose any if you're already at 0. ;)
I see when bishop d7 you have to exchange bishop and move your queen to attack Knight, anyway you taught me so many lessons
Simon - why don't you try and organise a game with a titled player like FM Zibbit, maybe that would be better, but great video anyway
I have done before, Zibbit is a good mate, It is just finding a time that works for both of us.
I enjoyed ur video
These videos are awesome keep it up .... even if there are cheaters from time to time ...
I enjoyed this video.
Still a good video, and still able to learn something.
Perhaps you could first check your opponent's profile/stats before making your first move? At least in this case you would probably not have considered playing him seeing those stats? Nonetheless great instructive video as always. Thanks a lot!
Simon at the end you said that by looking at his ratings you can tell he is a cheat.
Why not looking at his ratings before the game? ;)
A good indication for cheats is when their bullet rating (where it's much more difficult to cheat) is way lower than their blitz or rapid.
This game looks like you were playing the top Stockfish program .
What’s is Wong with these chi’s
I enjoyed the video. :)
I liked the game and your comments.
Thanks Joel
I enjoyed this video because although he was clearly cheating from the middle game onwards, and purposefully sliding in 'slightly innacurate' moves to try and cover his cheating, I still gained a lot from the opening but also your thoughts in the middle and end game.
I enjoyed it !
The givaway was how quickly he found those moves
Great vid.
thanks for the upload :)
My pleasure
account already closed for fair play - bravo chess.com
Yes, quick and efficient! :)
Glad you didn't take the free pawn and instead went to suffocate. The computer would probably have ended up getting a draw. But this was more entertaining and exposed a cheat
still very interesting ty x
Hi Simon, you are great chess player!
Thanks Darius!
How is that a cheat I just saw c4 blunder ?? I donÈt see how the guy is a cheat so far...
If that's all you saw then i'm not surprised you doubt he was a cheat. Watch the whole video, and consider that he's been banned, yes?
Only thing I'd disagree with the main man is I'd take the loss of tempo and punt a Bh4+ just to create some weaknesses if it was a weaker opponent. I definitely wouldn't do it against Simon though.
It was an interesting idea Aldo, often seen in the Benoni.
Very enjoyable still even against cheats
08:24
Bold of you to assume that I am lower rated than 1960.
Plot twist: I am in fact lower rated than 1960 Classical (although a solid 1750 in Lichess blitz).
whats your rapid/classical rating on lichess?
@@wesmoto2550 No idea. Never play longer than 5+5.
Profile name should be: Wongchcheat
😂
No profile name anymore!
Looking forward to your DeeVeeDee Ginger!
Buy the DEEEEEEEVEEEEEEEDEEEEEEEE
Still can't believe the way you pronounce Alekhin's last name. It sound so wrong 😂 It's like if you were called Woolliames with a stress on "e" 🙃
My pronunciations are sooooo bad :(
@@GingerGM it's not yours personally, it's just about the common way English speakers pronounce Alekhin. Originally it is Alyohin, stress on "o". "hin" sounds like in "hint".
You can pretend you played 2700 and then it's a bit less frustrating.
Pretend?
more like a 3200
@@counterstrike1110 More like 3400 at least!
The latest stockfish 10 is 3600
42:30
Anger GM
I enjoyed it. He was cheating. You played damn well against a computer.
I think he only started putting the computer on after the opening...
why are u uploading with quality of 360p lately... make it at least 480 please
I am always uploading in the highest definition 1080 and 60 fps. You are just too eager to watch the video ;). It takes TH-cam a bit of time to convert them, that is all.
@@GingerGM I see, it means that I join a little too soon :D nice video by the way (I am 2000 Fide rating, when you want we can set up a game)
I honestly prefer it when you play lower rated players
You have played a very good game, despite your f***ing opponen is a clearly a cheater!
keep going & best regards
Thanks
When rook took bishop c4 your knights e4xd6 check bishop e7xd6 knight d2xrook c4 and you bishop take a2 you end up with a rook and 2 pawns for 2 strong nights!!
I ment Bishop take a7
Too bad with another cheat, but great vid nonetheless
Poor fella
Cheats need to be dealt the ace of spades....
shout-out from the imaginary audience :)
Shout back at the empty air
macacos me mordam!
c:
The videoquality sucks :(
Bad language..! I hope the duck is back...
Be nice if I could get my opponents to play this way. Maybe you could show a more relevant game in this line? ❤🙏👍
you will have to buy for the forcoming DVD for that...
There are plenty of cheaters in online chess.
You mean on chess.com, on other sites like lichess.org, cheaters get caught almost instantly
@@ym276 I agree with you on that, but the fact that it is impossible to avoid them regardless of where you play online is frustrating.
Of course he cheated. Nobody plays at 99.4% accuracy.... Just laugh it off. It was an interesting game.
it was still a good game :)
@@GingerGM It absolutely was! If you had to play it again, would you have done anything differently? Do you have any thoughts on taking all those pawns out and not castling? I notice that you and many GMs don't castle as early, if at all, as most instructors recommend for us average players.
Actually i dont think he's a cheat because he also played a lot of mistakes and his sacrifice was more or less needed to survive and then he just played the easy moves but of cause pretty strong but great video again
Lot of mistakes? His accuracy was 99.4, which is pretty incredible even for titled players. In my opinion, the tactical play at a critical point that he played, was simply out of his league judging by his general ratings. I mean, if he was such a strong player on his own, then why aren't his ratings generally higher? I can understand if blitz/bullet ratings were lower, but all his ratings are fairly low compared to how strongly he played in this game. He also was ahead in time, which is really strange when playing against a GM, while still making really strong and firm moves throughout the whole game in every stage. I am also very suspicious about this guy to be honest.
He was somewhere between much worse and completely busted at some Point
@@felixgeorg3689 The analysis literally shows this isnt true.
@@-Mohog Of course he was a cheat, don't waste your time replying to stupid comments
@@ym276 Good advice. :-)
I think GMs must play against computers. Cheaters enable us to see good positional games.
You think EVERYONE cheats, although you play random shit, and often do not play at GM level. That is why you are 2440 FIDE, your strength is currently that of an IM. BTW I have beaten IM level players in otb Blitz tournaments, and am rated 2086 FIDE rapid, and 20xx in USCF. And this is not hating, I bought two of your courses, and they helped me tremendously.
I don't think everyone cheats, I just think that cheats cheat! When someone has an accuracy level of 99.4 yet a blitz level of 1671 and tactic level of 1291 it makes you wonder... An accuracy level of 99.4 would beat most 2600 GMs. My rating is 2468 by the way ;) - and your talking about beating people in Blitz, yeah of course that happens, but how often in longer time limits? Not often.
@@GingerGM Yeah he had a high accuracy, he had only moves from a bad position, and you allowed him to sac to try to free his position. You also have to account the fact that the opening WAS NOT EVEN GOOD FOR HIM! His moves were not "blunders" perhaps, but you could have shut him down a lot sooner, hell, you could have played d5 attacking his knight, then fxe5, and Be3 stopping ... Bc5
Him being not quite at his peak rating doesn't make a cheat less of a cheater
@@GingerGM This is not to say your opponent was not a cheater (undecided on that) but I really dont get arguments like "well his blitz rating is xxxx" - I just got over 2000 on lichess the other day (not that high but I hope it gets the point across ;) ) and my blitz rating is still 13xx simply because I didnt play any rated blitz games since the very first month I created the account.
Its obviously a tough topic since its almost imposssible to prove someone is cheating... however I feel like the only real giveaways should be a) he "thinks" about all moves equally long, b) he finds obscure tactics very fast or c) he waits to play an obvious continuation (a recapture or similar). Any arguments based on rating run the risk of higher rated players calling lower rated players cheats (and possibly even getting them unjustly banned) if they have a good day.
He was definitely a cheater. The computer analysis at the end proves that!
I enjoyed that video