Why is Leinster so dominant in Irish Rugby? The history (and people) behind Leinster's success!

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  • @megafoonsport
    @megafoonsport  3 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Comment from John: A huge apology to Shane Lowry, his family and all followers of The Faithful County. Of course his dad played hurling and started for Offaly not Tip! Mea culpa from a Goat Sucker!

    • @caelivdonnelly5530
      @caelivdonnelly5530 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Football not Hurling! - Great show!

  • @kiaoragin
    @kiaoragin 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    I remember John Robbie when he played for Ireland. Class player.

  • @Camcolito
    @Camcolito 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    John is a great storyteller, what a guy. Brilliant background on Irish rugby and glad to see it on this South African channel.

    • @megafoonsport
      @megafoonsport  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Camcolito Indeed he is. An institution in South Africa. Legendary.

    • @Camcolito
      @Camcolito 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@megafoonsport Really enjoyed the interview, thanks!

  • @johannblignaut1966
    @johannblignaut1966 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    A fascinating explanation of Ireland rugby.Much appreciated.

  • @SeanLarkan
    @SeanLarkan 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Terrific discussion gents, thank you; entertaining & informative. Great to hear of the back stories & some historic context.

  • @maholosiane
    @maholosiane 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    i can listen to John for days....such a great story teller......

  • @gavinmcgrath2303
    @gavinmcgrath2303 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    This was a real treat. John mentioned Colin Patterson very briefly. To this day, many rugby supporters would consider him to be the best scrumhalf Ireland ever had. I remember him and Tony Ward playing in an international and the ball suddenly being in the deck. Colin ran to it and rather than pick it up, scooped the ball up with his boot and flicked it on to Ward. Such skill!!

  • @seamusweber8298
    @seamusweber8298 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Superb podcast, simply superb. What can I say about John Robbie, world class Scrum half and a superb pundit, raconteur.
    I know he probably regards himself as South African now, but his love for our country, his country, Ireland is clear. His accounts of the rugby setup here during amateur days and now in the professional era is 100% accurate. And his grasp of history concerning Ireland, the GAA, Croke Park, Laansdowne Road, etc is entirely truthful and accurate.
    We Irish still claim you, John.
    Thanks for your great contribution here and throughout other media. You were some player when I was a kid. Watching you play with the likes of Ollie and Tony Ward was a real joy.
    Thanks again, John.

  • @neilmontgomery3470
    @neilmontgomery3470 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    That was a very enjoyable listen. A very amusing and accurate.

  • @desmondwixted7862
    @desmondwixted7862 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Great explanation of our complicated rugby history JR.
    Passionate and well informed.

  • @francoisverdoes8552
    @francoisverdoes8552 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Thank you ,very interesting and learnfull

  • @w00000
    @w00000 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thanks for the history, what an amazing mind John has!

  • @Snags-sy8is
    @Snags-sy8is 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Hes forgotten to mention that historically those 4 provinces were political and physical entities. People have always had an affinity with their provinces.

    • @Camcolito
      @Camcolito 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      They still are political and physical entities! I know what you mean though and it's a good point. Non-Irish people often don't realize that there is a lot more to the provinces than rugby and this massively helps buy-in from fans.

  • @CrazyMonkey679
    @CrazyMonkey679 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great interview

  • @shamenbilly
    @shamenbilly 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    What is most difficult to understand about ireland rugby is the fact that we have had a rich history of Ulster |Connacht Munster and Leinster ..... nothing to do with rugby, it goes back 100s of years, rugby is capitalizing on that collective conscience now. For 100's of years gaa has had the munster, leinster, connacht, ulster championships - those 4 areas of ireland are ingrained in all irish people.

    • @LeMerch
      @LeMerch 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It has every right to tap into its own countries regions..😂

    • @LeMerch
      @LeMerch 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The GAA hasn’t been around for ‘100s of years’

    • @seamusweber8298
      @seamusweber8298 วันที่ผ่านมา

      GAA have their own interprovincial tournament called the Railway Cup!

    • @andrewkelly7065
      @andrewkelly7065 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@LeMerchThe GAA as an organisation is around 139 years. Hurling as a sport is the oldest sport in the world dating back 3000 years

  • @niallcarr9253
    @niallcarr9253 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Effusive & eloquent, as good a talker as a rugby player!

  • @fionanburke3084
    @fionanburke3084 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great interview and as they used to say in the Hist and the Phil, "On a point of Information" Shane Lowry's father Brendan, won an All Ireland Football Medal in 1982, for County Offaly, along with his two brothers. John was probably in RSA by then :)

    • @megafoonsport
      @megafoonsport  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😀. Indeed. This is what John said: "A huge apology to Shane Lowry, his family and all followers of The Faithful County. Of course his dad played hurling and started for Offaly not Tip! Mea culpa from a Goat Sucker!"

  • @petrusvanderMerwe-o9k
    @petrusvanderMerwe-o9k 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    interesting more in future plx

  • @ciaranbrk
    @ciaranbrk 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Have a look at squidge rugbys latest video on leinsters academy.

    • @qcsorter4626
      @qcsorter4626 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      th-cam.com/video/UtuMKAEAuDU/w-d-xo.html

  • @niallcarr9253
    @niallcarr9253 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I played against him at under 13s - he was scum half for High School ; he carried their team and stood out big time even then

  • @AdamM7796
    @AdamM7796 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is a very clever Marketing strategy Leinster have done this week, on Squidge rugby, in the Irish Times, on here and the Rugby podcast

  • @MarcelAspenite
    @MarcelAspenite 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I remember watching Leinster v Llanelli in Donnybrook back in the 80’s. There couldn’t have been more than a few thousand in attendance. Ollie Campbell came to one of our training session in Suttonians when we were kids and I remember thinking he was a god like status. I think Ireland won the Triple Crown that year.

  • @truecalling61
    @truecalling61 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Munster, Connacht and Ulster still have their own dialects of the Irish language. People used to need permission from the neighbouring province/ kingdom to cross borders. Wars between the provinces were rare but one of the two surviving great sagas from Irish mythology is about the Queen of Connacht invading Ulster, the Tain. If you are from a province then it’s likely that nearly all of your ancestors are from there for millennia. Even if the borders change there is an instinctive connection to a province that people are born with.

  • @johannblignaut1966
    @johannblignaut1966 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    No wonder British Lions of 1980 never had a reunion.Bill Beaumont was the captain.

    • @megafoonsport
      @megafoonsport  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@johannblignaut1966 I was thinking the same thing!

  • @treborsirrah7916
    @treborsirrah7916 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Football is the number one sport in Ireland, most clubs and registered players, followed by GAA ,then maybe rugby, there are twice the number of cycling clubs then there are rugby clubs

    • @Runboyrun89
      @Runboyrun89 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@treborsirrah7916 yes but be real, schools are a huge engine of Irish rugby.

    • @conallgeneral8136
      @conallgeneral8136 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@treborsirrah7916 surely you mean soccer ?

    • @redone2969
      @redone2969 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@treborsirrah7916 GAA sport Gaelic football the top sport in Ireland and best facilities. Football (soccer) is 2nd.. facilities not as good. GAA sport Hurling 3rd must popular.

    • @Esse-vp1bc
      @Esse-vp1bc 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Soccer is very popular around Dublin for sure but I live in the West & it's all GAA with a bit of rugby.

    • @treborsirrah7916
      @treborsirrah7916 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@conallgeneral8136 No football as in FAI .Football Association of Ireland

  • @lloydgravett1088
    @lloydgravett1088 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Does anyone know if JR was considered a good captain? lol love his passion and his knowledge of the history and the technical aspects of the game give him powerful fuel for a few good stories.

    • @seamusweber8298
      @seamusweber8298 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He was made captain in a team that had players who captained Ireland. Players like Fergus Slattery captained Ireland and would have been older than John playing in that Leinster team. So the Mick Doyle and the Cud obviously saw something special to appoint John as captain

  • @dairet1945
    @dairet1945 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Could listen to John Robbie all day. Ireland's loss was most certainly South Africa's gain.

  • @johnhearne2192
    @johnhearne2192 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In fairness to the kickers the wind was very difficult especially playing in to Hill 16 end which is uncovered and much lower the the other three sides of the stadium.
    I think you are being a bit harsh on the kickers Johnnie.

  • @joanlarkin7808
    @joanlarkin7808 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The great Dawson RIP last week

  • @johndevoy5792
    @johndevoy5792 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    and, bear in mind, & still, rugby is the 4th popular game in Ireland. As to Ulster, effectively its ONE ireland now and will become even more unified as time goes on. Also, and I am making a big presumption here, Robbie may not have lived in Ireland for quite some time. Things have changed...radically changed. What he says is very, ha!!, at times, very historical

  • @patrickporter1864
    @patrickporter1864 วันที่ผ่านมา

    32 counties in Ireland. 12 in leinster plus Dublin city. Biggest rugby playing population. Most money. They have learned to ply the munster way. Nuff said.

  • @kirtap2601
    @kirtap2601 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I believe that 6 of Ulsters counties form Northern Ireland and the other 3 are part of the Irish republic. So Ulster is two thirds British and one third Irish. However the major city Belfast , is in the British part.

    • @jmo8934
      @jmo8934 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      40% of the land area of Ulster is in the Republic of Ireland. The provinces are pretty ancient and long predate the partition of Ireland.

    • @Dara-rv4pg
      @Dara-rv4pg 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Tommy Bowe was probably one of the only significant Ulster player from the Republic. Most of the concentration of rugby is in the Belfast area. For the first time, this preseason, Ulster played a home game in the Republic, in Breffni Park, Co. Cavan (one of the great GAA stadiums)

    • @elsmid
      @elsmid 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Dara-rv4pg Many of the Ulster players at the moment are from Leinster originally. Although that seems to be changing.

    • @Dara-rv4pg
      @Dara-rv4pg 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@elsmid yeah i get you.. i meant the ulster counties in the republic. Can't think of any others

  • @tomgreene1843
    @tomgreene1843 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Is that Greystones Johnny ?

    • @Finderskeepers.
      @Finderskeepers. 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes, his home town although a village in his time

    • @tomgreene1843
      @tomgreene1843 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Finderskeepers. Thanks for that ...I remember when he was playing .

    • @Finderskeepers.
      @Finderskeepers. 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@tomgreene1843 When Greystones was a top club. The soccer club is now the biggest in Ireland by membership.

    • @seamusweber8298
      @seamusweber8298 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Greystones had some great players. John being one. Paul McNaughton another. Tony Doyle too.

  • @okkertgreyvenstein5765
    @okkertgreyvenstein5765 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Bulls are also fed up that we havent won this URC title already 2 times, this is the year they have to win it. Go Bulls, we not going to back down this time again, but stampede our way to it.

    • @Camcolito
      @Camcolito 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It's a pity because of the schedule that it's likely Leinster will send a second string to SA again. I want to see Leinster send the first team to SA to play Bulls.

  • @brendandaly8164
    @brendandaly8164 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lowry is from Offaly don't insult the man saying he is from Tipperary

    • @PirateStuffy
      @PirateStuffy 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Too late. We have dibs on him now. H’on Tipp 🇺🇦

  • @KewKew-do3kq
    @KewKew-do3kq 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    When connacht finished ahead of leinster the irfu still put leinster into the champions cup and connacht forced into the challenge cup. Connacht paid for the development of henshaw their greatest player but irfu told him if he wanted a central contract he had to move to leinster and 8 years later leinster have still not paid 1 weeks wages to henshaw.

    • @dburke1804
      @dburke1804 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You keep going around making things up across TH-cam ? I mean Henshaw was born in Leinster and then moved from Connacht to Leinster to win things...

    • @dburke1804
      @dburke1804 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You keep going around making things up across TH-cam ? I mean Henshaw was born in Leinster and then moved from Connacht to Leinster to win things...

    • @dburke1804
      @dburke1804 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You keep going around making things up across TH-cam ? I mean Henshaw was born in Leinster and then moved from Connacht to Leinster to win things...

    • @dairet1945
      @dairet1945 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Its true that once about 20 years ago Connacht finished ahead of Leinster in the league and the IRFU put Leinster forward for the Heineken cup the following year. This happened once and the IRFU were absolutely right to do so as Leinster were knocking on the door to win the tournament. As for Henshaw that is a total fabrication. Henshaw has confirmed in interviews before that it was his choice to go to Leinster as his girlfriend was in college there, nothing to do with the IRFU, you made that up. He is also from Leinster and went to school in Leinster albeit the part of Leinster he is from is more aligned with Connacht making him somewhat of a hybrid.

  • @vantherugbyman
    @vantherugbyman 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Leinster has a population 5 times that of Connacht, Double that of Munster, 30% more than Ulster.
    Leinster /Dublin has a higher proportion of well paid jobs.
    The province of Leinster dominate in GAA, Soccer, Rugby and most sports

  • @FR-je9bw
    @FR-je9bw 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Boks obsessed with our 'Roid free production line of world class talent from a handful of posh schools. Reminiscent of the great Barca sides, the envy of the rugby world!

    • @Camcolito
      @Camcolito 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Come on let's not ruin this great video with nastiness.

  • @DM-em4mi
    @DM-em4mi 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mike Catt never coached Leinster

  • @johnpaulmcdonnell6562
    @johnpaulmcdonnell6562 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    They won fukcall lately

    • @captain007x
      @captain007x 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Munster man alert.

  • @KewKew-do3kq
    @KewKew-do3kq 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Ulster don't have any Catholic players from ulster

    • @Snags-sy8is
      @Snags-sy8is 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes they do

    • @seamus9750
      @seamus9750 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That red hand doesn't sit well with the cattle ticks😂

    • @KewKew-do3kq
      @KewKew-do3kq 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Snags-sy8is no they don't

    • @KewKew-do3kq
      @KewKew-do3kq 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@seamus9750 people like tweed who raped his kids and was a loyalist is the problem id say

    • @SmcdMcd-d2k
      @SmcdMcd-d2k 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@KewKew-do3kqyea they do

  • @patrickkeane2067
    @patrickkeane2067 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Population and money.
    There main reasons.
    Plus full on backing from irfu

  • @martindekock4719
    @martindekock4719 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If 90%of the test , springboks play in the same URC team they will win 95% if their games the Irish use all their test players in almost one team ,but when they send a team to SA without their test players they are just average .

    • @Irish780
      @Irish780 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Emerging Ireland went to south africa last week played 3 games and won 3 games 😅

    • @bmvz1938-s8g
      @bmvz1938-s8g 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      We talking URC rugby, not emerging games against development teams. 😉

    • @decekfrokfr3mdx
      @decekfrokfr3mdx 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      You have it the wrong way around. A better analogy would be if one South African province started producing a strong majority of the Springbok team, because this province put years of working into building an excellent academy structure/ had some demographic advantages. Over time, let's say, 10-11 of the starters for this particular provincial team also started for the Springboks, on merit and based on ability. Would you think it fair if this province were then in some way blamed for producing lots of excellent players who were good enough to play for the Springboks? Of course you wouldn't. They produce more players of Springbok calibre, so they have more players in the Springbok team, as simple as that. This is exactly what Leinster have done. It's not the case that international class players play for Ireland and then move from another Irish province to Leinster. The vast majority are born and grow up in Leinster and come through the academy in Leinster.

    • @Runboyrun89
      @Runboyrun89 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@martindekock4719 this isn’t the case. The players are born in Leinster and come through the system.
      In the last 10 years there has been probably 75 Leinster players who went elsewhere including B&I Lion Jack McGrath, Internationals like Ian Madigan, Jordie Murphy, Joey Carbery and many others. There is about 20 Leinster players at other Irish provinces now including at Academy level too.

    • @paulnash5500
      @paulnash5500 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hmmm, did you see the second test against SA..

  • @craigpeel8872
    @craigpeel8872 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What dominance? Haven’t won a major trophy in years. Don’t make us laugh

  • @rmr3403
    @rmr3403 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Dominant but win hardly any trophies ? Ok got it..

  • @bmvz1938-s8g
    @bmvz1938-s8g 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Like Martin says below: if one of our URC teams had 85 percent of current Boks in their franchise, we would have won not only 1, but all three URC finals and the EC trophy.
    Leinster are actually the worst performing URC team in URC if you realise they actually Ireland playing in blue jerseys.
    Stormers and Bulls making most finals are actually top performers if you see it in terms of past three years test depth squads.
    Sharks another top but bad performing team in terms of quality players, should have done much better.

    • @daveh2344
      @daveh2344 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Leinster didn't have Henderson, Beirne, o'mahony, cowley, aki, hansen. Most of the Leinster players came through the Leinster schools system and Leinster academy. They are world class players which is why they make up the bulk of the Ireland team

    • @bmvz1938-s8g
      @bmvz1938-s8g 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ok, and if Bulls or Stormers were only missing 6 from 23 current Boks?
      Or look at it this way:
      add for example Ox, Eben, PSDT, Pollard, Kriel and Kolbe to current Bulls team, then what difference will that make to Bulls chances winning both URC and EC?

    • @ciaranbrk
      @ciaranbrk 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Leinster with all due respect tend to target the champions cup it's what they live for. It's nice to get the double but if you ask them what they would prefer 100% it's the champions cup.

    • @inamortz2372
      @inamortz2372 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ciaranbrk They're taking the URC fairly serious this season in any case.

    • @Camcolito
      @Camcolito 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Leinster produce their players who are then good enough to get selected for Ireland. Should they be penalized for having too many good players from Leinster?

  • @garyoconnor8421
    @garyoconnor8421 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    John was a fine player in his own time

  • @truecalling61
    @truecalling61 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    What a wonderful interview! Thank yo.
    The majority of our best athletes do play Gaelic football and hurling still. Paul O’Connell for example switched from hurling to rugby because he was bad at it, not because hurling is an amateur sport. Gaelic football is far and away the most popular field sport in the country. Horse sports are also hugely popular. But most Irish people follow more then one sport. People like me who went to see Munster play Leinster will also go to see Tipperary play in hurling matches. I think soccer fans tend to follow one field sport only but they’re the exception.
    I wish we had more players of this generation commentating on Irish tv. Donal Lenihan is the exception. Sometimes it feels like rugby has only been played for twenty years given those are the only stories we hear about in Irish media. The depth of history gets lost.
    I recommend the book”alone it stands” for an excellent read, about the Munster team of ‘78 but also about their lives and the history of rugby in Limerick and the city itself. It’s entertaining and poignant.

  • @ronanpassmore3960
    @ronanpassmore3960 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great to hear these places getting deserved recognition - especially my hometown Limerick!!🫶🇮🇪
    oh and the garryowen is ours btw😉