The Origins of Linux-Linus Torvalds
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- [Recorded Sept 19, 2001]
Linus Torvalds, the creator of the operating system phenomenon Linux, tells the story of how he went from writing code as a graduate student in Helsinki in the early 1990s to becoming an icon for open source software by the end of the decade.
ironic that a video about linux "may not be reproduced or distributed without the express permission" of the author?
Trash80 not sure if creative Commons existed in 2001 though...
that's why open source is not free software... GPL sucks.(an v3 even worst)
Emmanuel Istace ?,k
lmfao
@@NazmusLabs it did
Creator of UNIX, Ken Thompson at 36:10.
36:10
@jonny j tell me more about it?
@@epicujjwal hwkjjjj2²²q
I'm the 4th comment in 7 yrs. There's something sad about that!
Why is Linus's reply so unwitting and shitty
the part where he says the accident of deleting his minix partition is what actually made him start seriously using his own system is so gold.
Funnily enough, I deleted my Windows 2000 partition inadvertently - I had been using Linux and BSD for few years, I chose BSD over Linux, but hey ...
UNIX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity - Dennis Ritchie
36:05 Ken FUCKING Thompson sitting with the crowd?!! He should be on stage anytime operating systems are being discussed.
This program may not be reproduced or distributed without express written permission of the Computer History Museum.... Being where watching a video about Linux and Linus Torvalds am i the only one who finds it funny this disclaimer is at the start of the video ?
it is funny. I don't quite understand how you can take an innovative concept like a UNIX based system, and mimic the structure with different programming. I like Linux but having found out it was cloned to imitate UNIX I wonder how that doesn't violate any patent laws. concept wise I'm saying.
+TMundohere idea can't be copyrighted and linus exploited it, it's simple
+Mygaffer good point. I suppose I should dig deeper then.
+Loki Kye yeah like john q tit turd is going to pay to watch this free video on youtube. i suppose one could rip it and pop it together with a bunch of tech stuff and torrent it . but there is no teen porn or crappy music in it so it would probably not do well on one anyway .
+Jose Francisco Medeiros He said if it was not for the fact the 386BSD was under a legal cloud when he started Linux there would of been no Linux. Linux has always borrowed quiet freely (and sometimes without creditting the source) from FreeBSD. For example net/2 and net/3 where both direct ports of the 386BSD/FreeBSD protocol stack.
Moral of the story - have a critical opinion on whatever you use. Invent something to make it better.
shame on you CHM for the ridiculous note at the beginning.
This is a gem, I love to listen to him. His ideas are well thought out, constructed and explained. I love that I hear his finish education and political thought process, while also being super man in the technical world. I can hear his father saying Linus is an anarchist :)
As I am watching this on a laptop running Ubuntu/GNU and Linux 5.15 in 2022, I can't help think how timeless this talk is.
Best stuff coming from Finland; Linux, IRC, openSSH, Kalevala and Sibelius.
***** Actually Ubuntu comes from South Africa.
Leonardo Rothe Tagliafico Lol.. Ubuntu is Linux
Don't forget the Nokia 3310 and Nokia 6310i
finland sux
"Kalevala and Sibelius." Hellz yeah! And Linux.
I studied Andrew Tanenbaum's book in college in 2001 at DePaul. Of all the computer books, that one was one of the most influential to me. Cheers!
This humble and most modest, Finnish man, with his concern for the technical nitty-gritty of computers, started an evolution of possibilities in computer engineering, his Kernel along with GNU, FOSS, etc has advanced humankind. Knowledge is meant to be open and free, not closed and copyrighted, licensed and sold. Thank you Linus Torvalds for doing what you did, and continuing to do what you do. I appreciate it, in ways you couldn't imagine.
"I started the Linux Kernel project, because I knew I was the _best_ _programmer_ _in_ _the_ _world_ !" - Linus Torvalds, a Humble man...
Also, he didn't start jackshit in terms of _computer_ _engineering_ . He has a degree in computer science. which means he has a scientific competence to perform basic research into new software designs, programming languanges and systems design principles and his lifes work centers around designing and developing his own operating system kernel software and its implementation . He isn't a fucking engineer of any description, much less in computer hardware.
As he has also stated several times himself, if the already established open source UNIX at the time he started to make his own kernel for his University OS design course; BSD was available to him either in source code or there were a Intel 386 supporting port of it that was economically within his reach, he would never have started the whole thing. BSD wasn't available at the time, because it was the target of malicious litigation that attempted to force all BSD source code and software users to pay for a UNIX license, because the latest source code release 4.4BSD had bits of antiquaited AT&T UNIX code snippets in it, which didn't fall under the BSD license.
And also note, that UNIX in and of itself was distributed in source code form and not available as a finished product from AT&T, for most of its history.
What was going on in the computer engineering side of things; that is hardware development, had already been spurred along by UNIX OS and BSD in particular, long before Torvalds decided to start his kernel project.
Besides which, Linux is a rather poorly designed and very lackingly implemented in terms of how easy it is to port to a new computer architecture, ít doesn't even have hardware architecture independent system drivers, like NetBSD and OpenBSD have. Meaning you have to port or completely rewrite the driver for the same auxiliary hardware, a network card for example, between different CPU architectures.
In BSD they just work platform independently of this and one doesn't need to use system specific assembler code or architecture specific programming in general, to make a new CPU architecture boot a simple NetBSD system. Even the damn compiler environment is such that you can cross-compile from a different host system to any architecture at will.
But for some reason embbeded computer engineers insist on doing major leg work using Assembler for days or weeks with Linux instead of using NetBSD and its platform independent design to port and compile things for completely new architectures in minutes. Dunno why.
If there was no Linux, they'd be using BSD.
Recorded eight days after 9/11.
4:20 to skip intro
0:04:10 Linus
0:25:16 How did you support yourself through the early years?
0:26:58 How do you feel about Microkernels today?
0:30:09 What do you think about the current VAX port of linux?
0:34:26 Have you alienated any of your friends of family for defending the x86 architecture?
0:36:03 Ken Thompson - Can I get you talk about communal computing?
0:44:23 Have you found fame to be a burden?
0:45:14 What have you learned working at Transmeta?
0:49:28 Linux Version 1.0
0:51:37 The GUI
0:53:12 Peer to Peer Computer, Extreme Programming, IBM Adoption of Linux
0:55:00 What editor and mail reader do you use?
0:55:39 When do you intend to come out with a development kernel? 2.4 ?
0:57:12 How did it come about to have multiple distributions on a single kernel?
1:02:57 LSB - Linux Standard Base?
1:05:01 On descision making?
1:05:19 Where does the software ... headed next?
1:12:04 Do you use debuggers?
1:12:04 Does linux still attend to take over the world?
1:18:52 Do you have any other causes?
1:20:30 Do you have any role models?
1:21:25 Are you against software design?
1:24:23 End of Talk
Look at Ken Thompson, how humble and down to earth :) amazing man.
@BOOZE & METAL I didn't wrote nor implied it was
@@saultube44 Which world are you in?
@@arpanmukherjee4625 Explain yourself or shut up
@@saultube44 now its pretty clear who's arrogant. Problem is in how you view the world, not Linus. Secondly, its surprising how ignorant are you about things yet come to comment about such topics. Linux is a complete different Operating System and never a "fork" of Unix. It takes the good ideas from Unix and internally implemented them very differently. And btw the term "fork" you used (in the sense you used) has come after git has come. Any idea who wrote Git and why?
Next time before commenting on social media know what you are speaking.
@@saultube44 Your perception is very wrong. The comment says how humble Thompson is and that's 10000 times true. Try to learn from that instead of criticizing Linus. Nobody was interested about Linus is arrogant or not while the comment was made. How silly it is for you who has probably (rather certainly) has no achievement in life compared to Linus's critisises Linus Torvald.
I converted from win7, since I was tired of defragging every week, programs crashing 1/10 times, constant restarts, and slow boots.
I love the linux community btw! Never experienced anything like it with ms..
Tried all the major distros. Loved Fedora and Mint, but I stuck with Ubuntu.
Haven't restarted my computer in 4 days(running faster than win7 still). Probably shut it off soon to conserve power. lol.
I love you Linux! :D
convert. now.
What was the course literature?
1. C - Ken R ??
2. Operating systems- Andrew Tanenbaum
3. The Design of the Unix Operating System- Maurice Bach
Editor - MicroEMACS ? 55:05
@blenson Paul: "K&R": Kernighan and Richie: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C_Programming_Language
Hearing this speech brings me so much joy. Linux brings me a lot of joy. I guess what I really mean by that is that I'm thankful that Linux is everywhere or can be installed/obtained pretty much everywhere and that it gives me a Unix-like shell that I can be creative with. So thanks Dennis, Ken and all the other people that made Unix and then Linux happen 🙂♥️
Linux is garbage. It's just adequately UNIX-like garbage. Any BSD distribution is superior in its implementation and design as an OS compared to GNU/Linux. Mostly because, Linux is a kernel and GNU is a userland and toolchain thing. And a bunch gluesniffing imbeciles think that bolting them together with the software engineering equivalent of a boiled horse which is supplied with out documentation or even commented source code, makes an operating system... It doesn't.
I listen about this and struggle to understand how linux let you be more creative then let say window after all isn't it changing directories on cmd line. I know something there but it don't click to me.
@@ahmed17167 I assume, you mean "windows" not "window".
Well, Linux and all other Fully Open Source Systems come with the source code and are well documented, they come with a damn "man" commad (for manual). And in case of UNIX-like systems adhere to common standards, which are well documented. While Windows is full of cryptic bullshit that, until very lately, wasn't well documented in a public repository, you needed to buy a library of bible thick books from Microsoft to even understand what the fuck the system is doing, and often the system uses MS-specific meanings to words, which are intentionally inverted from common UNIX-like systems meanings or completely indecipherable with out the fucking library of bibles. Meanwhile, until very recently, MS had no remote command line option in its Operating SYstems, and had two very rigid and difficult to learn command line interfaces, CMD.EXE which is a remnant of DOS era and PowerShell, both having no open documentation available anywhere. And PowerShell is now becoming usable, only because it's adopting more and more and more commands from UNIX-like CLIs, in particular, BASH. And of course there's now an entire Windows NT Kernel API to translate Linux kernel calls to windows ones, so you can use Linux distros inside windows...
Guess, why? See comment above.
Seriously for anyone diving into operating systems it's quite the adventure. There's loads of resources nowadays to get going. but still the required knowledge to do even what someone might think is basic stuff really isn't that basic and easy.
Neat, a co-worker of mine wrote part of the smp programming for the kernel.
Nice insights into Linux communal development around 36:00.
Is that Guido Van Rossum in 6:24 on the left?
yes it is nice eye dude
:=
Correct. But doesn't Linus work at GNU?
I'm also rather annoyed over Linux being called a operating system. Then Mach is too.
Sounds like Linus hasn't heard of HURD.
linux.....the liitle train that could NOT be Best desktop. the first time i used linux comercial version suse..it was unlike any os i used before...Until you had to start installing things and realizied how much small box you where in ..coming from windows or even mac os..yeah there had to be world standard windows happened to be it...for just being able to support enormous amount varius hardware from diff vendors..
Back in the 1990s VMS had an awesome online help, and provided examples of how to do complex things from the command line. Meanwhile UNIX has man, which is very terse, and is useless for actually providing examples of how to do anything. The detail / help for new users provided by man has not improved even now, some 25+ years later.
UNIX and C co-creator, Ken Thompson 36:10
Ken Thompson shows up to an honors speech by a guy who cloned his creation.
Kind of funny.
TheApatheticGuy Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. And Linux has worked out to really be a better clone.
Bob Sutton Depends on what you mean by "better". In many eyes Linux is not like UNIX at all, but instead more like a bloated train wreck.
+TheApatheticGuy Hey, that's rude. I find that offensive and extremely extremely rude. You should apologize.
+MrSecify I find your offense offensive. Get on your knees and grovel to me. I may consider forgiving you for your rudeness.
+TheApatheticGuy If you think the Kernal is bloated then by all means re code it your self to do with it what you want. I don't see how its bloated do you mean the graphical interface like Gnome or KDE do you mean the GNU system or are you talking the kernal ether way you can re code it.
A. Its Mac OS not MacOs and B. Microsoft have copyrighted the name PC and Apple have copyrighted the name Mac so you can't call a PC a Mac and vice versa. Now go tell that to all your nerdy friends :P And remember MACS ARE THE BEST
The origins of Linux? An amateur with "not invented here" syndrome. The rest is a sad piece of computing history.
Here's a bit of history that people don't seem to grasp:
In a manner, I can take a filing cabinet full of critical information, and attach a sign that says, "Keep Out", and put it on the public sidewalk out front of my home. The public sidewalk should then become my property according to the same logic. It's mine now since I moved critical information into that area, and even posted a sign. Now, I have claimed public property as my own. Don't walk down that sidewalk anymore, even though it appears, and is connected to the other public sidewalks next to it, it's no longer public because I placed a filing cabinet there. This is the argument they use to say hackers are to blame for stupid companies attaching critical information to the internet. They actually think they have a "right" to privacy while at the same time, placing the information on a public thru-way. They are ignorant, and have been from the beginning of this thing, and they still think, after numerous hackings, that they should be safe placing this information on the internet, which is a public area??? They are struggling with their own insanity, and the laws reflect this insanity...
History will look back and laugh at us for the avenues we've taken to cover our own stupidity....
Welcome to another episode of where lockdown has taken me
Wonderful introduction by John Toole! Seems like a great guy
Ken Thompson is so humble. Respect for him
The creator of Linux gives details on how he named an Operating System after himself!
"The reason reiserfs was added was not because I like Hans Reiser..." Ho boy, you ain't seen nothing yet XD
ikr 🤣🤣
Very gracious of Bill Gates to introduce him.
Hacker is a personality(IMHO). Through courses you can learn a lot of useful stuff but you can't just become a hacker by taking courses. Although they are very useful, they aren't what will make someone a hacker as no musical or arts course will ever make anyone a Mozart or Picasso. You need to have certain kind of mind and grow up with hacking, and that's possible only if you love it and do it on your own time, hence teaching yourself by the most pleasant and efficient way of learning - play ;)
take home message-give your kid a shit computer
Linux includes all drivers what just are compatible with GPLv2 what the Linux is licensed. Most code of Linux is drivers, over 70%. It does not include closed source drivers like what Nvidia and AMD card owners needs. Or closed source firmwares for devices (DVB-C/T/S etc).
It is just difficult to explain when the kernel has all the OS features. Talking about Linux, you talk about kernel API's for drivers and OS API's for the system. Like how driver inside Linux connects to kernel functions.
I wish understood hardware like these guys.
The Linux kernel 0.91 had same bugs as Unix v6 code in "Lions' Commentary on Unix".
Respect you very much when you are talking within you area of expertise. With regard to your comment about politics not being designed, it is not being designed and it is actually being designed that's the dialectic of nature.
That's Ken Thompson, the creater of Unix, asking a question at 36:06.
Is Ken Thompson at 36:06 ?
The == guy :-(
@@herrfriberger5 == guy? :'D
I'm reading so many comments about Ken Thompson and I have no clue who he was. Damn, gotta go read some history books now
@@sinharakshit amazingly, TH-cam has videos of ken being interviewed.
@@pablo_brianese thanks man
"Linux is a operating system kernel and not the thing which provides the drivers. "
Actually Linux is the complete operating system what provides drivers as well. Linux is monolithic kernel. Not a microkernel what moves drivers and other OS parts away from kernel and protects them.
the first contribution of Linus copyrighted lol
Felipe Tonello What?
Copyright tells the owner / creator, and then the license describes how it can be copied and by who. :)
So linux source code is copyrighted too for its creators, and the licence describe the terms under which people are allowed to use the copyrighted software.
His points about SMP and NUMA are relevant now and his 'dream' about a NUMA desktop is here with a 2 CPU Xeon 10 core (20 logical) workstation MoBo machine with a memory manager module built in the CPU and nemory directly tied to a single processor.
This means that it now uses NUMA to access memory managed by another CPU. Go progress.. and what 'forsight' the man had 15 years ago...
@rhl6856 You have a point; GNU software can be replaced. And then there's also the fact that each distro has its own slight variation of linux. I would have to know more about software to even name it correctly. We can't really call them correctly anything other than Ubuntu, Gnewsense, Fedora, Red Hat, etc. without being slightly wrong, at least assuming you're right.
''I actually autodialed my Linux partition which read a lot of ATDT's to my hard disk|'''..Bwahahaha...um what?
He can impress to young generation but an old-timer's sheer lies! He took all the source code from the bulletin board published by AT & T company as it dissolved in the 90s he seemed to found a goldmine then he retyped in PC (Hex) coding instead of (Octal).
It is official: He does it strictly for the lulz!
The lulz brings great things, such as Linux!
I'm sure he might have been talking about version 0.0.1...sure, it's a kernel, but he had to use it on his computer, thus transformed it into his own distro.
You don't learn to hack, you hack to learn ;)
In every talk:
Uncle Bob: Science
Linus: "I don't like talking, do you have questions?"
@TheGprs69 well linux cant get windows viruses..and it cant get spyed on by windows or mac viruses...and basicly there are alot of tools for hacking lol :]
"This program may not be reproduced or distributed without the express written permission of the Computer History Museum". Turns my stomach. Parasites!.. A special on the guy who did (and does) it all for free. What's next, a copyright special on Richard Stallman. I refuse to watch anything on the subject of GNU, and Linux that starts with this notice.
Linux may not be many people's OS, but it's just so deebly embedded today, that we are all using it without even realizing it. It's on mobile phones, routers, atm's, dvr's, camers etc. Those all are something to thank Linus for!
Linux is noone's OS. In fact many people use GNU/Linux, a free operating system that optionally uses Linux as its kernel.
Linus' memory doesn't serve him too well.
1. Tanenbaum's book was not used in "C & Unix" course in University of Helsinki. It was used in course "Operating Systems".
2. Department of Computing Science was not a VAX/VMS land. VAXes were located in the Computing Center of the university. CS department already had UNIX machines before the μVAX he mentioned.
Are software revisions or its other bigger cousins - "versions" - the same as evolution?
I mean, how are we going to determine, for example, that version John 1 is not the same as version John 2, especially when we are talking about the same John? Persons?
And if indeed there are revisions or other versions, wouldn't that make us talk of different or distinct persons?
Aren't complex systems more than the sum of their parts?
(I don't know... 🤷)
Very insightful innovator. I really appreciated the ways he redirected people's comments as it made me pause and think on many occasions. Excellent upload!
I'm an Arch user myself and I agreed with your point of view.. ;)
@murraykj709 Oh yeah! I remember around 94 regularly travelling 2 hours by bus to the only computer shop in county that actually sold the CDs. Had to copy the images off the CD to floppies as my ISA card-controlled CD wasn't recognised! It was worth it though - 'a real operating system! On a PC!!'
Well bash and co belong to GNU (or BSD and other Unices)! How do you want to communicate with the OS without a shell? You can't communicate with a Kernel alone. It's like driving a car that is only a motor, but no pedals!
I think one of the main differences between Windows and Linux is. Often Linux expects the user to know exactly what their doing and doesn't get in the way, Windows does not really expect too much knowledge of it's users.
For example deleting a file. Linux will just delete that file as the user commanded it to. Windows will ask the user if they really want to the delete the file 'YES or NO", after the command to delete was given.
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Which hardware or Linux box not only runs Linux normally or even optimally, but what would Linus recommend staying away from, in terms of hardware for Linux?
"You might as well go work for the US government or something, it's jut mindless." -- Gets completely cut off and speech ends abruptly lol.
@zedomax im not talking about mobile market, general linux kernel, android is just small point there, just look how linux is used on server and hosting services market, you can burly anything other then Linux, since for other systems you need to pay for. And why you even mention iPhone here that use Darwin kernel (fork of FreeBSD)? Android fanboy much? XD
@Darthvies Probably not as good Gary Kildall, still. The designer of CP/M and the guy behind GEM. Rest in piece Gary...
Mrtabby linux doersnt suck its the best thing that happened in my home. i kissed winblows goodbye 4 years ago .. i love ubuntu i love linuxmint i love pclinuxos. you couldve got more help. and better answers in the forum section and IRC chat channels. its not his faught u cant configure linux to be usuable for u .
Actually on a Windows laptop. However, going to go watch it on my Ubuntu desktop which has a better monitor!! :-)
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origine of linux: int main(void)
duh.
Ken Thompson at 36:00
Haha, the beginning. The spirit of open source!
There's nothing "wrong" with it, i just don't think that it's true. :)
Thank you for being so polite by the way. It's rare to see that on the internet.
@GreyGeek77 if a user infected himself with some remote administration tool server ,that is not a lack of security , that is mainly the user stupidity ,vulnerabilities are something and remote administration tools and viruses which are normal .exe executable files to trying to execute malicious code are another thing .
Oh, so command line Operating Systems that existed before the GUI based OS's and overlay programs were unusable? so computers did not work before GUI's .. your comment comes from ignorance, DOS is an OS, it is similar to the Linux Kernel in that it needs input commands, the early Mac OS's were command line OS's, do you understand now?
how does Linus Torvalds make money if linux is free. open source is a very risky business. and you can't trust anybody with your code.
Hmmm. This video is about Linux and free open source software FOSS, it just doesn't go well with 'This program may not be reproduced or distributed without the express written permission....'. In other words ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Have these people not heard of Creative Commons?
RIP Headphone users :l
well i guess it's a common practice on the net and i just got used to it - can't think of any reason to justify it right now :D
it's the same as i censor Windows, writing *indows... Just a habbit. Or maybe someone knows better?? Anybody?
ALL Sinclair computers were SHIT. Absolute garbage. The worst ever. There has never been a worse system than the ZX Spectrum. At least the QL has a somewhat acceptable (but still SHIT) keyboard. The Speccy was like a TV remote ffs. Yet it gets away with it due to nostalgia, so if you google worst computer ever you get the Apple III and IBM-PCjr. Which is nonsense, they're both INFINITELY better. They're basically on the list because they were a commercial failure. The Speccy wasn't. But so what if it sold well? It's still a WORSE computer than those two.
ZX Spectrum was extremely cheap though and that was the goal. It was only 99 BGP
@ImTheBossTrapJesus Now now children. No need for name calling. He's obviously just uneducated on the subject. Try saying something constructive. Maybe point him to distrowatch or the websites of a couple user friendly distros.
The C Programming Language by Kernighan and Ritchie (aka, K&R).
With respect to the question posed by the young lady at th-cam.com/video/WVTWCPoUt8w/w-d-xo.html, I find myself comparing / contrasting Linus' personality and morale character against that of someone like Steve Jobs. Specifically, his answer about feeling it is wonderful that people find Linux useful for environmental / humanitarian projects like, "saving the whales," but being uninterested in getting involved. In a similar way, Jobs expressed that the suicides being committed by FoxConn workers were not his concern. But, Linus seems to be more self-aware in; at least, admitting that he understands that may be selfish since he is only pursuing his interests in Linux for fun (like his book of the title, "Just for Fun," states). I'm not sure that Jobs possessed a level of introspection that would have ever enabled him to make such an admission.
@wattlecopta Ubutntu is the GREATEST OS IN THE WORLD!!!!
Yes its slightly unstable due to Compiz but next release Conanical is dropping compiz so HURRAY FOR OPENSOURCE FUCK WINDOWS AND FUCK MAC
@Darthvies It's stupid to compare them. Gates and Jobs are CEOs (well, Gates WAS one) and founded companies. They're businessmen. Linus wrote a kernel. He's not a business man in any sense of the word.
re: the like a "real man" comment re: assembly writing...like a real person, some might say
You got that definition from one place, and took it as an absolute true. Discussing the actual meaning of OS is totally reasonable.
Imagine a world where computers don't exist, and someone came to you and ask: "What is an operating system? It doesn't matter if you're wrong, just guess it!". Probably you would say: "It's a system which somebody has control of, right?"
AFAIK, it's *impossible* to control a computer just by having a kernel, unless it has a built-in shell and system applications.
27:04 Oddly, the protected mode "hardware" task switching features of the 386 (assuming Linus is talking about the call gate mechanisms supported through h/w on the 386) that he so admired are a feature that could be exploited to facilitate a microkernel architecture. But as Linus mentions, time has tested this architectural idea and rendered a verdict.
Lolz Jehx, this is why you want to do programming... So you haven't started yet and you want to make a rival operating system. Mark my words you will FAIL....
It didnt tell the truth ..Really come on Linux invented on an Amiga 3000 in 1987. for the express purpose of getting pc people over to the Amiga. You failed yourselves.
Consciousness is one of the thesis of Open Source(and also Free Software Movement), like know yourself and respect the freedom of community. Happy Hacking!
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oh man
The 386 really was quite an interesting development in the PC world. You didn't need a 68030 (don't think it existed when the 386 was introduced) to do paged memory management in the Motorola world at that time as Linus recalls. Systems based on the 68020 + 68551 MMU, such as the Macintosh II, were capable of paged memory management and had operating systems to exploit them (A/UX or Apple UNIX). But, such systems, priced at ~$5500 USD, were prohibitively costly for the home user. I remember being a little awestruck when a mechanical engineering professor (who was interested in dark matter) actually had one on his desk. The 80386 was introduced 2 years prior to the 68030 in 1985 and by 1987 real-world systems, such as IBM's PS/2, line of machines running OS/2 were available in the marketplace. All of the complex call gate / protection ring task switching mechanisms of the 386 may be gone in the CPU line's modern incarnations. But, for the kid who grew up with the limited 6502 8-bit architecture of the early 80s, in 1985-87 the Intel 386 was this wonderful, kludgy mess of a microprocessor that contained "powerful" features used by what we thought must be much larger mainframe computer systems.
It does not advance, the tux send everything right, and there is not any kind of code that we closed down because the union makes the force.