Elon Musk vs Brazil Twitter Ban
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- In this video I summarize the last few months of disputes against Elon Musk and the government of Brazil regarding censorship on the X platform (formerly known as Twitter)
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Just a note on the fine:
Minimum wage here is about $250, so $9000 would be life ending to 2/3 of the population
can imagine
Good. No one needs you on there.
250/?
@@apathydronper month ofc
@@apathydron $250/month is the minimum wage
the mental health increase in brazil will be crazy
LOL "breaking news Brazil GDP triples, birthrates quadruple after Twitter ban, Moraes heralded as hero".
If rt only was that simple. But while there's a dictator in power and no freedom, people will be kept in poverty and darkness.
@@soundscholar5408 lmaooo
wouldnt say that when they still have the usual suspects
Best thing to ever happen to the country
Bad timing for the video, as Starlink has gone back and accepted the X ban on their networks.
All they have to do is allow VPNs on their networks and the X ban is pointless
Nuss bom dia primo brutal
@@folkishappalachian6827 They took some vpns off the play store for some time, but its now back again.
@@leomraifurEnglish mfr, english
@@ultimatums1na jodanse malditos monolinguistas 🐒 mononeuronales
the fact that even Elon still calls it Twitter
Just shows that renaming it X wasn't a good idea.
Xuitter!
it's an eX website
@@aboodash9008 stop crying
He's trying to associate bad things like blocks and shit with Twitter, and good things with X brand.
Update from a Brazilian: The judge in question reversed his decision to fine everyone using a VPN after receiving significant pushback for this illegal ruling, which violates several Brazilian laws. He also rescinded his previous order for Apple and Google to ban all VPN apps from their stores.
What a as excuse of a lex luthor lookalike . Lame
This judge is a complete moron , it seems. Never seen it coming LMAO
@@leonardocafferata6697 lol it's not an excuse, I whink the Twitter ban was also illegal and that Moraes is violating a lot of laws in Brazil. I just added an update to the facts that ocurred after the ban.
Fantastic update to this awful situation. Unfortunately, we all know federal judges will never be held accountable for their illegal actions
@@leonardocafferata6697 don't comment brain farts please, you using precious internet storage
Chinese people: First time?
Essentially the same as in Russia, where Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TH-cam and VPNs are blocked.
@@BaggerPROIts basically the same if youre kinda dumb and dont think about it.
Why then, are google, youtube, facebook,instagram, reddit, all available still?
Its not the same.
Nah, the situation here is very different as we don't have anything like a great firewall. Instead each of our 20k ISPs has to figure out for themselves how to implement the ban. So fully banning anything here takes days.
And the Twitter ban is probably gonna be temporary as both the Brazilian State and Twitter Inc want to return to normalcy. The problem is that Musk is just crazy.
@@BaggerPRO Good. They're not making US rich by sending money just for ads.
looool best reference
Starlink has already sent e-mails to customers in Brazil, stating that they'll keep offering their services for free
Anatel just made Starlink block twitter as well, rip
First Brazil justice did not want o shutdown later they asked several times to Elon please delete the lies. The absolute lies o mass manipulation pro Bolsonaro which is pro Israel killing. It is simple, there are 2 power disputing for Brazil. The solution it's a decentralized self custodial zkp privacy by default super quantum resistant internet ID system well design anti lie cheat immutable part of the protocol id. where 1 person can but un know said it the same person and its doing mass manipulation campaign and instead censured ha behind similar Twitter tel de counterargument and evidence. But this easily can by shadow-ban hope not. But nobody seem to really care about justice.
@@silver6229 VPN says what.
Gigachad move
@@silver6229 Starlink literally cannot be blocked in Brazil because it does not rely on any hardware on the ground other than the dish which is owned by the customer. They'd have to target the specific frequencies that Starlink uses. Even then jamming like requires a ton of power and would only affect connections near to the jammer.
A little update, the brazilian supreme court (STF) and Anatel (federal internet and communication department) are suffering numerous hacker and ddos attacks since the twitter ban.
Good
Oh no... anyway.
Good, hopefully they uncover something juicy
Based
YES
GET
FUCKED
Again, people are saying this is the end of twitter and bluesky will be the next thing
Nothing ever happens
It's an opportunities for threads to get a foothold. Then slowly perhaps we can welcome our new Zuckerberg overlords.
It already got 2 million+ users in last few days. If the Twitter ban continues, it really can be, at least inside Brazil.
but chuddha what if
@@Neko-san Same happened with KOO, lol that was social media was amazing fr.
Remember threads lol
Can you imagine if the US banned a foreign made social media website? That would be crazy.
it's called sanctions on specific country 😂
No its not? Low iq twitter users flooding the channel
_Cough_ T _cough_ ik _cough_ T _cough_ ok
(wasn't sure if I was allowed to straight-up type the name of a YT competitor)
@@papercliprain3222 The us does it all the time. They block domains at the internet provider level
Are you guys all children with zero understanding of the real world?
@@papercliprain3222 imagine defending the sanctity of tick tock...
- nothing ever happens
- sir Twitter has been down for 3 days and there are only tweets in English on the twitter
- *turning on VPN* NOTHING ever happens 🇧🇷
oh youre so cool time to go back to deepthroating misinformation
Crime occurs, nothing happens, feijoada
All of this happened because of a rape threat to a daughter of the judges by terrorists attacker because that happned in 1/8 invasion in the palace of the governemnt
Twitter is not an palace of threat of rape of child. Not in Brasil.
Free speach is free. But crimes are crimes.
Realmente, nada nunca acontece
Feijoada sempre @@robertocartomano7734
Much love from 🇧🇷
@@Zebobynh0 pelo menos assim da uma limpada ne ksks
Post here with VPN
@@_soyoki Realmente
Come to Brazil 🇧🇷
Sopa de macaco 🇧🇷
As a Brazilian that has a starlink, I'm still concerned. starlink has many ground stations that are required to give us internet access, so if the government lock down these stations I THINK, that I might lose access...
Isnt the whole point of starlink to connect directly whit the satelites?
@@cubirk You would be surprised if you knew the truth about satellite communication.
@@mastershepherd3777 damn, well i never bought anything from elon nor i will, im fine with my optic fiber and not using twitter
I say again, nothing of value was lost ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@mastershepherd3777 there is no ned for the ground station to be in brazil
@@apache937 There is a need. Most people will not understand why and I am not going to explain it.
Why does Elon not act the same towards China? Why does Twitter (shadow) ban posts?
ADL?
Probably Tesla. About a third of global Tesla sales are in China. They can hold Tesla hostage to put the squeeze on him.
@@znapgaming3485 I was leaning into shadow banning pro-Kamala posts and hiding all that have the word "cisgender" in it
Why does/doesn't Elon do "insert random shit" ??
Ask him or quit crying about it , seriously these questions are hilarious 😂
what twitter does in india, turkey, etc, with censorship is because these countries have censorship laws that allow the blocking of profiles - brazilian law allows you to remove posts which are "inadequate" but, as defined by the Marco Civil da Internet and the constitution, censorship prior to judicial action is illegal - you can't block a profile because that would mean censoring all future speech from a person, which could be lawful
In the post-truth era, the line between censorship and eliminating misinformation hardpoints is much harder.
Release the Truth, and it will kill the lies.
Just stop caring about misinformation, it's that simple
@ladvargleinad7566 my job in the military proved this isn't how the world works.
@Chud-n9s not an option when it's weaponized by foreign threat actors to sew discord.
@@a.9913 just stop caring.
After losing access to Twitter and leaving home after 18 years I got a job, a girlfriend and my mental health has never been better! Thank you Moraes!
You're talking about Facebook
Kkkkkkkkkk
Kkkkk mentiu pouco
Pelo perfil, é comunista. Não é atoa que lambe botas de tiranos 🗣️
Probably uses narcotics and black label medications, has a a boy or dog as you "girlfriend", and the only money you make is bolsa família.
For those wondering there's no voting them out because they aren't elected and stay there until they retire.
They also can send to and free from jail anyone they want, so good luck trying to propose an impeachment without being arrested for "attacks against democracy", whatever that means.
I was hoping Brazil was slightly less corrupt but that sounds like an actual dictatorship at that point
@@xryeau_1760 It's been like that for some years now. And Brazil is one of the most endemically corrupt countries that could have ever existed on this planet.
So exactly like the supreme court in the us
@@xryeau_1760 Don't worry, our dictatorships are even worse
Actual hellscape
as a person that used twitter for business, I got fucked so hard its not funny,
Have you considered bluesky
@@dragon_nammiisn't blue sky all pdf files? oh, just noticed your display picture, nevermind then...
@@acmhfmggru ???
@@dragon_nammi who tf uses that
@@acmhfmggruMate, they where just offering a suggestion.
everyone in brazil has an international correspondent that is handling their twitter accounts, i just hired mine
@@Lucas-hr1mj Yeah ok bud. You weirdos always have to lie about the most obvious things
By weirdos I mean clearly you insane right wingers
Ancapsu
Eu, pessoalmente, tenho um na Alemanha e outro no Azerbaijão, se é que me entendem... Hehehe
Ancapsu is an CIA front
lol this is a 1000 Iq comment
2:35 That's not exactly it. You need an office in Brazil only if you're doing business within the country, Discord for example doesn't have offices here and neither does Blue Sky. They closed shop and fired everyone, they're just like any other website right now yet they're receiving exclusive treatment.
Merely being accessible via internet should not constitute as doing business within Brazil otherwise they'd have to censor the entire internet for having the gall to sidestep Brazil's bizantine bureaucracy. That, or this is just some crazy selective enforcement of a law for partisan reasons, something you'd expect from a banana republic.
Also Starlink just issued a statement a few hours ago saying that they will actually comply with ANATEL's request to block X.
He already said that. He also said that Elon removed their office due to the risk of they being arrested, which is precisely what Moraes was trying to do. By the way, Wikipedia doesn't have an office in Brazil
*A platform doesn't need a office in Brazil to operate, it just needs to obey the law. The office is in case they refuse to obey the law, like what happened to Xitter. If Elon removed the accounts (that he doxxed btw lol) and paid the fines, the site would be unblocked*
@@FederalBulgeInvestigator those accounts ban was really illegal, do you know what happened to alexandre do this? He is persuing the opposition, that is why he demanded to musk to delete those accounts ILLEGALY
@@FederalBulgeInvestigator it's not a law. It's an order from a judge. Elon says that order is against the law. No matter what you say this is a fact and it doesn't mean one side is telling the truth or not
@@eduardoprocopiogomezthere's laws for removing illegal content such as misinformation and fake news, and X has to comply with that.
And according to Twitter's own TOS these accounts could be removed: "We may suspend or terminate your account or cease providing you with all or part of the Services at any time for any or no reason, including, but not limited to, if we reasonably believe: [...] (iii) your account should be removed due to unlawful conduct"
Accounts that have repeatedly spread fake news and verifiably false misinformation have definitely broke Brazilian laws, so they are, undoubtedly, displaying unlawful conduct.
Musk is just selectively siding against Brazil for political interests. They can't try to apply US law in another country. Twitter is literally disregarding a legal order from Brazil again and again, and therefore undermining Brazil's sovereignty. Starlink was doing the same until earlier today, when they felt the consequences of that in their profits.
People: Pay huge taxes to support and run govt
Govt: Lemme read through ur data so I can own you
I find it hilarious when people talk about government holding their data yet they give far more of their personal data away to tech companies. Freedom, I guess 😂
first time coming to that realization?
But you don’t have a problem with tech companies owning your data?
@@C.J.M.. Just don't use a service that does that, or take the steps to sandbox the application/website from your system.
@@astroid99thanks for the tech advise, but we’re talking about the vast majority of people using what is a pervasive economic practice in a world were data is the most valuable commodity.
Just a comment. Supreme court can block content but not profiles since it's against the constitution. But it's made anyway by that Lex Luthor boy. The biggest problem is that the supreme court is making decisions not based in law anymore but "principles", and that is not the role of the supreme court.
Edit 1: There is no law stating that a site must have legal representatives in the country (many websites don't). The law that should back this was not approved in the house of the representatives.
That is absolutely a law as an American who does business in Brazil, in order for me to run my company I need a Brazilian representative and what you guys call a "socio"
@@sosababy1016 keyword "business" - if twitter is being offered for free, no legal representative is required; bluesky is operating here and has no legal representative - hell, 99,99% of the internet, which is accessible, in brazil, has no legal representation - it's just would-be-dictators trying to justify their actions
Only required if you're collecting payment in BRL. Otherwise 99.999% of the web would be illegal in Brazil
X was in fact doing so, thus of course they'd need one, but they could also stop accepting BRL and charge in USD or crypto
Most companies out there (outside of the bigger ones) do business in Brazil like this
Not that this would make much of a difference, since we're all quite aware that this is no longer about what's legal and what's not, more so Elon v. Brazilian Supreme Court
You are wrong on several points, you clearly haven't done any research and are just replicating what you have heard from other people. The federal court can request the blocking of any accounts in Brazil, you may find the law unfair and that is reasonable, but that's the law (it would not be the only unfair law we have here).
@@criticaleventLawyer here. Telegram conceded to blackmail, since Brazil is a huge share of their market. There's absolutely not law at all that would allow the censorship of a person's profile - only of singular, already posted content.
Stop spreading leftist misinformation.
The fact so many brazilians are acting like this was a good thing is depressing. Such a ban should not happen.
Usa bans ttk : good
Brazil ban X: bad 😢😢😢😢
If this situation was a chess match, Brazilians are moving the pieces as if they were playing checkers. As a Brazilian myself I'm ashamed of what this country has become, in this regard I blame the people.
Brazilian politicians are afraid of being called out by everyday citizens.
Aww, poor widdle TurtleChud got his previous account yeeted. 😏
No
@@Jolis_Parsec He had minors in his discord and let them nonchalantly join nsfw channels btw and he also participated in posting h€|ntai
Lmao and he criticised mrbeast and co for doing it
@@Jolis_Parsec Are you actually being smug because this bot had to create another account? 💀
@@Jolis_ParsecHe had miners in his discord and let them nonchalantly join any n(sfw) channel and he even participated in posting H€intäi in there and thing is he knew all of this
Let me say one very important difference between Brazil and India/Turkey: this kind of censorship in Brazil is NOT backed up by any laws. In fact, Brazil's laws forbids preemptive censorship of any type, meaning that each different thing you say must be put on trial and declared a crime before it is taken down. A judge cannot simply ask some social media platform to secretly take down something he doesn't like.
@@criticalevent Did it go through the court with a positive result in April?
Starlink isn't even that bad. I can only get satellite at my house, and the one that was there when I moved in was like 30 megabytes at best, and Starlink gives me 300.
are you sure you're not talking about Mb (megabits) instead of MB (megabytes) per second? 1 MB = 8 Mb.
Going by how corporations treat employees, i would not want to be taken hostage by a foreign government and hoping my employer gets me released!
I'd be turning to my government to get me released.
Just imagine if a country kidnapped hundreds or maybe even thousands of US citizens for political reasons. That really really would not go well for that particular country. I would be extremely surprised if war did not follow.
i dont think that'll be a concern
people on twitter/x said that the judge looks like voldemort and i couldnt agree more
he is after the opposition after the occurances of 8/1, in wich our latest dumb president made an attack to an official place called palacio do planalto, all of his arrest was illegal, including setencing an 80 year old to 16 years in prision
Brazilian here. The block is dogshit, as a mere DNS change or usage of DNS over HTTPS will allow you to use Twitter, and because of that thousands of us Brazilians are still accessing Twitter oppenly, even politicians. Honestly this block is totally stupid, and I don't think the fine will be applied broadly. Brazil has already a deep history with protests and if the fine were to be applied to everyone shit would go wild in here. In my opinion the fine is gonna be applied only to politicians and/or political people
"Brazil has already a deep history with protests..."
In like... the 1800s? Come on man, brazilians are maybe one of the most complacent and foolish people when it comes to politicians screwing them, but i have to agree on the block being terrible really
What a place to meet a fellow brazilian and a Seu madruga fan. Is there any way to convey to them our national motto yet? How do you think we can best translate "dedo no cu e gritaria"? Kkkk, é foda né mano?! Pqp!
Protests, eh? Looked a lot more like a failed right wing coup.
You feral-right idiots are even more stupid than your predecessors in the 1930s, you can’t even Beer Hall Putsch properly.
Just tell me something - What is your end state? When has your ideology ever, and I mean ever, ended in anything other than camps and genocide, or alternatively just authoritarian penury?
When you disregard reality, as all extremists do (left and right) things always fall apart. The only question is do more people die from starvation and poverty or in a war and death camps.
Yeah, the block might be lame but i'm pretty sure it killed more than 90% of the brazillian user base, everybody is just moving to Threads and abandoning twitter at this point
@@MoonLightHAB to be completely fair it's not really a big deal for me. I never really cared about Twitter to begin with.
Hi, Brazilian here. The difference between Turkey, India, and Brazil is that Brazil has no laws that give you the right to ban entire accounts, these other countries do have those laws.
But yeah, no shit, Elon is acting on hos own interest :v
Also, the thing about needing legal representation, that is only true if you have an office, or is doing business (buying selling sutff) in Brazil, twitter doesn't have that. And also, if they did, they'd have 10 days to point representation, not 24 hours. Our laws are just funny words in a paper, who cares?
Okay, but that is bullshit, though. The ones who decide how the laws are interpreted are the Supreme Court. So unless Congress changes the laws to eliminate the interpretation or impeaches the judges, they are acting within the law. Might not be fair but so is Turkey and India.
Twitter literally sold stuff, subscriptions?? forgot about that?
So imagine if a convicted pedophile or a terrorist sets up a account and commit crimes, then they will not be able to ban the account? Doesn't make sense.
@friedgpu, they can ban him. The GOVERNMENT can't. Either way, this would be banned for violating TOS
@@nakelekantoo we can't buy twitter blue anymore, they left the country.
Whenever they closed office, they close the whole ads and twitter blue thing
LMFAO Lex Luthor I'm done
It's too on point 😭
He got it too acurate😭
here in Brazil we call him Egghead and "Shaft Head"
Humpty dumpty is also a popular one
I like to think Brazilian Miku brought too much positivity to the country and so Twitter had no choice but to leave
Nem os gringos estão tankando o Bostil
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkjkkk shitzil is untankable
brutal
English mfr, English
@@ultimatums1 "Neither the gringos are tanking the shitstil"
@@ultimatums1shut up fuckwit this does not effect you. Let them speak however they like. The irony is so thick on this one.
twitter is complete fucking garbo
Brazilian conservative journalists:
"Allan Frutuoso" - was arrested at the airport when he tried to escape to Argentina.
"Allan dos Santos" - exiled in the USA, Brazil asked request to the USA for extradition, USA does not extradite crimes of opinion.
"Paulo Figueiredo" - Brazilian journalist exiled in the US. Censored by the Brazilian Supreme Court. "Oswaldo Eustáquio" - Censored by the STF, political prisoner with the fifth arrest warrant issued. He became paragletic, in prison. He was brutally tortured by order of Judge Alexandre de Moraes
"Sérgio Tavares" (Portuguese journalist) - was detained for a few hours upon entering Brazil via São Paulo International Airport, the federal police only asked him questions on political matters (intimidation), Tavares opposes the Lula government.
Starlink has already bent the knee and said they are blocking Twitter.
@@b0de_xd I would assume it's because they're more concerned about citizens being arrested.
@@bradweir3085 no, it's because Brazil blocked Starlinks bank account. In the end all that matters is the money.
@@bradweir3085oh my sweet summer child. It’s $$$
SpaceX ain't only Elon ya know they got other shareholders.
@@bradweir3085lol
A WHOLE COUNTRY SAVED FROM TWITTER
what would you rather use? whats a better a alternative?
@@textbooktraitor Just don't use them in general unless you need to for work. Dealing with terminally online people is just the worst
@@textbooktraitor Twitter doesn't need a alternative. If I can live life without Twitter, so can you..
certain people use Twitter for doing politics there, time waste@@textbooktraitor
Brazil is honestly based
update : Starlink already started blocking X
Alexandre de Moraes is wrong in the very beginning. We have laws in Brazil to ban CONTENT. Profile baning is ILLEGAL by ""Marco Civil da Internet" and the Constitution in Brazil.
This "fight" has nothing to do with law, it is political. And an old political war, btw, since 2019 when the former president Bolsonaro took office.
Brazil is complicated man... there are a lot of underground things happening and this fight is just the eggshell...
So if this is a purely political stunt then what even is the point? Surely if they're going after freedom of speech to cripple the news there would be better ways of doing that
I think its a matter of Brazil defending their interests. Elon has been attacking the country because he's salty he can't have that precious brazilian lithium. He's also angry the brazilians partnered up with china's BYD, a direct competitor to tesla.
@@AnotherAvaibleName what you are saying is basically the government agenda. Man, you can say whatever you want. Alexandre de Moraes is violating the law in Brazil
@@AnotherAvaibleName leftist bullshit detected, please try the lithium argument again, you have more chances of convincing someone
@@AnotherAvaibleName what you are saying is just the government agenda. The fact is that Alexandre is violating the law of Brazil. And btw Tesla is moving out from lithium bateries.
Elon Musk literally censors anyone who criticizes him.
(Elon fired all of X Brazilian employees and refused to nominate a legal representative for his company in Brazil.)
elon is just playing your and their game, ban things you dont like and delete it. Cry more little bitch
A Brazilian friend tells me its entirely political. They wanted Elon to ban a Brazilian senator.
There were 7 people Brazil wanted banned, and all of them were apparently involved in Bolsonaro's coup.
And while the law in question **is** draconian and this court ruling is overkill, it was also written by Bolsonaro. Additionally, Musk could have done what the other two companies previously affected by this law did and challenge it in court. He didn't, and instead decided to go all in on personal attacks on the judge rather than challenging it in court.
Short answer: Both sides are being dicks but Musk is worse.
@@ML-qe7ml No, the thing is: there's no law for that, and don't fall for the legacy media shit, WHO THE FUCK TRIES A COUP WITH A MAN SHITTING ON A POLITIC'S DESK AND A GRANNY AND WITHOUT ANY GUNS, FOR FUCK SAKE? It wasn't a coup, it was just plain and simple anger and rage from seeing a shit man with the most corruption power in the world getting back to the presidency chair
You have no idea of the supreme court rulings on the past 5 years. They make Russia look democratic in comparison. Moraes has all the clinical traits of a psychopath. They blatantly tear off the constitution and make up laws out of their minds. Voting in politicians is pointless, because these extreme-left judges can block what the congress and president approves, or create rules out of their own will, with no consequence, and that isn't based on their functions, constitution and law. No one does nothing, and Moraes controls the top federal police delegate. They literally ordered X to block a account of someone for calling him bald! Seriously, I am not making this up. Watch ANCAPSU if you understand portuguese to get well informed.
You have no idea of the supreme court rulings on the past 5 years. They make Russia look democratic in comparison. They blatantly tear off the constitution and make up laws out of their minds. Voting in politicians is pointless, because these extreme-left judges can block what the congress and president approves, or create rules out of their own will, with no consequence, and that isn't based on their functions, constitution and law. No one does nothing, and Moraes controls the top federal police delegate. They literally ordered X to block a account of someone for calling him bald! Seriously, I am not making this up. Watch ANCAPSU if you understand portuguese to get well informed.
is that friend's name Misinformation?
I can't really get too upset when the censorship platform is itself censored.
Nobody is pretending Twitter is perfect but between the choices it's probably the one with less censorship, i don't know what's so difficult to grasp about it
yes, it was coming to them, but look beyond feelings and towards politics, it was unfair
@@Doran_Krotan Twitter censors anyone who isn't a nazi.
😂 true
@@Doran_Krotan Elon isn’t censoring frog twitter or MAGA twitter if that’s what you mean by “running your mouth”. Theyre censoring others
Brazil mentioned
🇧🇷: I am a slave, I was born a slave and I will die a slave, the only thing that changes is who is holding my chains.
Brazil imposed a 92% import tariff on all imports as well. Minimum wage here and in the US is virtually the same, about US$1300 per month in the US, and 1500 BRL here, so a 50,000BRL fine is exactly the same as an American paying US$50,000 in taxes.
There is no 92% tariff on all imports in Brazil. Who are you trying to impress, princess?
We brazilians are going to Nostr!
a nostr bro
nostr is mostly pdf files...
@@acmhfmggru just like twitter
@@acmhfmggruIs that supposed to be any different from Twitter?
@@xryeau_1760 i don't see a lot of pdf files on Twitter, but i guess you do? that's nasty, dude. nice self-report.
I really hope for a leak of documents from the Brazilian government, whatever political side they are (because people here like to divide them, I fkn hate this) I just want to watch shit hit the fan
0:31 I'm so glad you said that, because that's exactly what I was thinking.
breaking news: all depictions of Lex Luthor banned from Brazil
Well Chinese have much much more experience on this and might have the most sophisticated attempts against government censorship. DNS pollution is basic, VPN itself is not enough, Tor is obvious, more proxies and behaviour disguises are required.
Hope Brazil government will not learn from China.😢
Arent they brics?
But like tor traffic easily detectable that's why they gotta use all these janky pluggable transports. It's bandages for wound beyond flesh wound. Now with UK censorship too we can't say we're that much better, we're going to be all in the same sorry boat just different sides of it.
@@gbilbogbaggins if it helps during their time having a line open to report fellow brits for "hate" speech people from all over the world did their part to spam their lines with trash, troll, and ridicule them.
tor traffic can be detected yes, but it works for a reason, use public wifi with it, tails, spoofing, theres so many layers of protection that can be used to force authorities to have to do a lot of critically expensive work just to try and track down some troll. dont lose hope brother
@@gbilbogbaggins Thats why u stand up before any of this happens, maybe not you, but alot of people who now say the same things you do were DEFENDING the governments for years beforehand without understanding the evil intentions. Its like the saying "First they came for the "..." and i did not speak out, Then they came for "..." and i did not speak out, then they came for me and there was noone left to speak for me"
No matter who they come for, or what bs cause they use as a excuse ALWAYS see through the lies. Even if you dont like someone, or a certain group. If they are fighting for something reasonable and makes sense you too must fight with them. Or end up in this situation where all your power is taken and those who warned you are laughing from the grave
hopefully they don't learn from the us too
All these days later, as a Brazillian I have to say this was the best thing. Im hoping Instagram be next
NAH NOT MY BRAZIL BOOM CHA CHA
So true
Faz o L, ENGOLE O CHORO FAZ O L. L L L L ENGOLE O CHORO E FAZ O L
@@Wkaelx Quem tá chorando aqui?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Ainnnnn... tiraram o meu Xwitterrrrrrr.... Otário!
Do the L
as a Brazilian that's really sad to see this, we don't like that bald guy , we didn't even chose him anyways he thinks he's a god and can do whatever he wants, an absurd!
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk piadista
One thing you got wrong: in Brazil companies ARE NOT required to have any legal representatives to serve a website here, just like wikipedia or basically all other websites. That's just one of the worse points in this entire censorship battle happening in my country
Empresas estrangeiras no Brasil precisam de um representante legal residente no país para tratar de questões administrativas, fiscais e jurídicas. Ainda mais empresas que operam transações financeiras como o Twitter, mas assim tu segue esse canal Anarco capitalista aqui não tenho surpresas nenhuma com esse tipo de comentárinho besta como esse de censura uauuuuuu e outra coisa, vai lamber bota de estrangeiro longe daqui vei serio msm pq esse viralatismo eh foda
@@andreluizrodriguescastrono4984 Mentira, o Wikipedia n tem representante legal no Brasil e pede donativos, e como tal processa transações financeiras. Irónico, a Bluesky também n tem representantes legais no Brasil... o X removeu o deles pq o careca ameaçou que o iria mandar prender, como tal ÓBVIO que o X removeu representação legal para proteger a pessoa de se tornar preso político do xandão
Brazilian Mental Health: 📈
I don't think many American's appreciate how unusual our speech laws are, we are basically the only place that has it, and once it's gone here, it's gone. And increasingly people consider that a good thing.
Because it is a good thing
Freedom of soeech destroyed western civilization
you're also the only place that has the KKK and school shootings ever other week. So there's that.
Its difficult to not agree with limiting speech when its becoming increasingly true that language really is arbitrary code execution on biological machines. The dark forest is a solution to the fermi paradox, but its beginning to look like the only safe solution to our interplanetary conflicts. Especially as peoole become increasingly sufficient at exploiting this vulnerability
Get ready, your turn is coming. US and UK intelligence agencies have been guiding the Supreme Court on how to act on alleged hate speech, fake news and disinformation. But of course this only applies to those with prominent profiles who dare to question the political actions of some ministers and allies of the current government.
Get ready, your turn is coming. US and UK intelligence agencies have been guiding the Supreme Court on how to act on alleged hate speech, fake news and disinformation. But of course this only applies to those with prominent profiles who dare to question the political actions of some ministers and allies of the current government.
On one side, i'm glad Twitter has less people
On the other side, that's a ban that goes against freedom of speech
They are almost equally important
Twitter is not the same as freedom of speech
How so?@@quartzofcourse
@@quartzofcourselet us say that that is true - after all, twitter has moderation, thus there cannot be pure freedom of speech in there
even in that scenario, the ability to ban a website is against freedom of speech
Twitter is a shit hole now but I think banning it is still completely indefensible unless you consider yourself a facsist.
And on the other other side Elon is a laughable hypocrate when it comes to him claiming to being a martyer for freespeech by having Cisgender labeld as a hateful slur, suspending accounts when goverments he like ask him to, blocking public plane tracking of himself becuase he thought it was doxing, boosting tweets that pay him monthly (esteuntialy don't have a subscription then you get throttled.)
Startlink actually changed their mind and will comply with the twitter block.
Really? 😅
@@MrJamiezyup
BIG win for Brazil 💚💛
Gado de ditador detectado 🐂
To be fair, what the judge asked for is not legal in Brazilian law. China, India or Turkey have laws that allow the government to ask to ban social media accounts, Brazil doesn't.
guys, the thing is that-
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Here in Brazil we dont have any regulation allowing censorship the "Marco Civil da Internet" allow judges to takedown posts or videos, but not the entire profile. Alexandre de Moraes is not playing by the rules
Yeah the PL that would allow that didnt passed but he acts as it did, and no one can complay our president is in favour the PGR is a joke and the popoluation doesnt do anything. Really sad.
telegram did comply with the orders, and did respect the government, it is just that Elon Musk supports right-wing people around the world, for example, he endorsed Modi in India, but because Brazil is a leftist government he can overstep Brazilian sovereignty, not having any legal representative, rightwing people that are going nuts, they are using the free speech in Twitter has made several threats to brazil democracy, and here in brazil we have law that is against the support of dictatorship and threats to democracy, so you can't make threats to democracy and Twitter is not cooperating with the Brazilian court, so yeah get banned, he thinks he will get unscathed by this, i personally think its right for sovereignty, not that it is soo bad, though i am afraid of using VPN to access twitter afraid of a 50,000 real fine.
Taking down posts or videos sounds like censorship to me...
I can't understand how on earth you all are defending the Brazilian government in this, wanna side with maduro next?
Poor widdle Elon glazer can’t understand how people are fed up with his shtick. 😏
There are a LOT of paid shills, but some people also lack critical thinking and because they dislike Musk they HAVE to take the other side.
@@Jolis_Parsec I don't defend Elon musk, I defend freedom of speech, as this was a purely political censorship
Yeah, he doesn't comply with the laws in a country so the country bans his service.
"CENSORSHIP"
Go s*** on Elons' D*** more will you
@Jolis_Parsec banana republic tinhorn supported detected.
very bad take. elon has no problem complying with the far right minister of India and many more, in fact, the number of accounts blocked or deleted due to government demands has increased since he took over. also, elon is in fact interested in the brazilians mines and in the market monopoly of internet access in the amazon region (where he also aids illegal operations by providing starlink services)
More people should check this thing you are telling them. Most have a non-political education, and aren't aware of what mofos like Musk are really about. And it is not Twitter at all
number of users 📈
number of government demands 📈
jetpacksjws conclusion: fk elon
Brazilian here: accessing Twitter does not "the cool internet" make.
Nunca vou esquecer da senhora que, após o anúncio de proibição do X no Brasil, ainda conseguia acessá-lo (o bloqueio não ocorreu de forma imediada). Ela foi até uma das lojas da operadora de telefone para reclamar. "Ainda está funcionando! Quero ser bloqueada!" e os funcionários disseram que bastava ela remover o aplicativo. Ela ainda divulgou isso na próprio X, indignada.
Welcome to bostil bananal
Just a quick thing, over at India they have a law that allow for social media *profiles* to be banned by the government. Over here in Brazil we don't have that, it is literally forbidden by law to block the whole account, as that is considered "censorship before crime", a judge can order a specific tweet link, published picture, published article to be blocked, but not the whole profile. Alexandre de Moraes is literally breaking our law by trying to block profiles that belong to people like: an elected congressman, journalists, a 16 years old girl, people that have already left the country, etc.
its what communists do
Brazilian government tells it's citizens to log off, based af
Mullvad VPN for the win babyyyy
People are saying it leaks your ip on android?
@@oblivioneagle3464 I mean I wouldn't know I don't use android.
I got a dumb phone truth be told.
mysterium dark has been better for me. used mullvad for like a decade. it's open source
@@oblivioneagle3464
>using android
>to access something safely
You deserve every fine in existence, not just this tyrannical one.
@@autistadolinux5336What else is there? Pinephone is still half assed
Hello, Hi, I'm Brazilian and thank you for commenting on this serious matter. Several Brazilians lost their jobs on Twitter due to a ridiculous decision by "Lex Luthor". So thanks again.
as a brazilian I support the ban. Elon thinks he is above the brazilian constitution.
Dood, they are a company not coplying with the laws of the country... How would you feel if china was doing that in the USA?
Brazilians do not agree with such laws.
There is no legal basis for this. This entire process of deleting accounts was done through distortions and ill-intentioned interpretations of the Brazilian constitution.
@@Pdf4245and? Every citizen of every country disagrees with some part of their country’s laws. Doesn’t mean a god damn thing. The only people complaining are Elon and trump’s ot á reee os 😉 🇧🇷
Kenny, here's something people don't understand:
# Addition: Twitter did always comply with Brazilian government requests, no matter how crazy they were; the only cases they refused to comply were the ones where there wasn't a judicial order.
01. Twitter wasn't going against the law or judicial order.
02. Alexandre de Moraes didn't make a judicial order, he demanded stuff without it. Demanding those things as a judge without making the proper judicial order is not constitutional, meaning it's illegal for even a judge to do.
03. Complying with the request should be seem as 'not smart', at the least, or a potential crime against Brazil's own Internet laws, at worst.
04. Alexandre de Moares tried to arrest the Brazilian Twitter representatives, which is why Twitter doesn't have them in Brazil anymore. Sending any other representatives would potentially end up with them arrested.
I kinda hate Elon Musk (and Twitter), but, unironically, 'he didn't do nothing wrong'.
Points 1, 2 and 3 are completely not true, and 4 is a direct consequence of that. Morares is far from perfect as a judge, and even now walks in some very gray areas, but nothing of those 3 points you mentioned are true and it's all because Musk decided he wanted to be above Brazilian law.
@@agnuswulfno, the supreme judge's decision is illegal according to our laws, don't spread lies man
@@agnuswulf Those points are all true, what the hell are you talking about. You're straight up just lying
telegram did it, why Twitter can not?
comply with the orders of the Supreme Court, I think it is right to charge people who threaten democracy because they are going against our constitution, many may not know but Brazil has laws that make people charges against people who threaten democracy, because of the military dictatorship of 1964, Alexandre de Morais, is a federal judge, he can open cases of investigation if he wants and judged based on the constitution, the only thing it can be said of it is that Elon didnt comply not giving a fuck so yeah get banned, should we(brazil) have a company that doesn't respect our government and its full of stupid people, twwiter taked out their legal representatives, and Elon musk many times annoyed Morais, so yeah you get what you did.
That judge looks like a legit mutant
Also Brazilians are just migrating to Bluesky and, without other brazilians on twitter, they lost the interest on the website. lol People are already getting used to Bluesky since the UI is so close anyways
I love seeing redditors trying to justify this because they hate Elon so much.
@@frogdeity bunch of kiddos without any clue about politics
Me when i spread blatant political misinformation that has the ability to radicalize people into violence and thus have consequences to my actions :OOO ive never had those before!!!
For real tho, while banning something is a bit sketchy, acting like this was completely out of nowhere unwarranted is willfully ignorant and anti intellectual to the conversation of actual free speech, which elon claims to LOVE despite getting offended by the word "cis" while self proclaiming nazis roam the site with no consequences, doxxing, whatever they want to do, while elon himself ai generates images of political people he doesnt like and posts like they are real images, after logging out of his account where he pretends to be a child of course.
Yes, if they think differently, they are the others.
@@Lykkos29reddit is a left-wing echo chamber, and x has recently turned an opposite direction after elon took over.
lemmings all the same.
BRASIL MENTIONED
VPN usage rose by insane margins among really layman people, and also a large amount of people are now starting to take their privacy extremely seriously.
And on the other side, guess who are the people supporting this insanity?
I'll let you guess.
The false leftists (a.k.a the corrupt politicians); the true leftists such as the communist party are fighting against it
I am Brazilian and Elon has all my support
Correction: Not the government, A SINGLE MAN CALLED "Alexandre de morais" Is the minister of the supreme court, he BY HIMSELF AND ONLY HIMSELF wrote the stuff and political pen stuff and twitter is banned.
Its really sad what is happening here, wish us like. We really need it.
Edit: If you had a starlink service you dont need to pay it while you are using it while its blocked here in brazil, i dont know if you pay later or not but it was what i was informed. So yeah X and starlink were banned not that its effective.
Edit2: Morais also tried to arrest the ex-employees here at brazil so thats actually why the office was closed in the first place.
It wasnt Moraes alone but all of the Supreme Court. He puts up a front so the other judges can remain safe in the dark but at every decision he is making they are supporting him.
There is also clear signs that other political agents from the left are aligned with his decisions, including the president and some in the legislative (unsurprising given they support Maduro).
Elon Musk could natively distribute VPN on X for dictatorial countries.
I feel like i am in china using a VPN to browse a social media app hahahhahaha.
2 years ago we where more free than ever, be careful it could happen there in US too!!!
where were you when Tik Tok was banned in U.S 🙄
@@Preetvnd in brazil!
brother its literally a usa app. u talking about. twitter just promotes the american dream.
Update from a Brazilian, the decision to maintain the ban on x (twitter) has already been put to a vote at the Supreme Federal Court (STF), and it was approved.
Brazil can make the use of VPN's for X illegal, but I seriously doubt they can enforce that.
This fucking atrocity of a country can't even block cellphones from criminal hands in jails. Who on Earth really believe it will manage to block people from using a resource that countries with decades of maturity when it comes to technology, can't block?
Everyday a new shame of being born in this shit show...
Correction.
Is necessary a oficial document to close acc or posts. The judge is making that with ilegal ways, but he is the minister off supreme Court, no one have power to make him correct himself
Brazilian here: your constitution is the best tool against tyranny you have. Don't ever let them change 1st and 2nd amendments, you'll become third world sooner than you think
Lol, the US is about to ban Tik Tok because it had too much anti Israel content in it. The first amendment is toothless.
Thanks but the freedom from religion is under attack more-so than the 2nd amendment, project 2025 & all. Basically Republicans stopped trying very hard to hide the fact they want to copy Saudi Arabia but for Jesus instead of Allah. It'd be nice if more Americans cared about the 2nd amendment as universally as that though
yeah well, they've got problems that a certain austrian had with his country and look at how the average modern american has turned out
For anyone reading, Trump threatened to suspend the constitution.
We have no equivalents to the first or second amendment lmao it was over before it even began
twitter being banned is good :) Elon can kick rocks.
Brazil corrupção lore is so complex and it's sad very sad we live with ONLY 250 FREAKING DOLLARS PER MONTH!
geez, what a loss for Brazilians to lose easy access to that AI and bot infested cesspool
not saying there is some other magical site on Internet that does it better, but this "loss" is really last thing to worry about
Fun fact: it seems the official order for the legal representative to appear in "court" didn't appear when summoned because someone misspelled her email adress. Hence why she was threatened to be arrested
1:53 ah yes this makes complete sence and is definitly legal
Amazing how I'm just finding out Brazil arrested a legal rep.
Brazil became a dictatorship, with several journalists arrested and exiled. The American government itself is worried.
@@geralbdt That's BS. It just an excuse for US to try to impose it's imperialism on the premise of "freedom".
The supposed "journalists" are not even journalists. They are influencers that committed crimes inciting coup, spreading lies about the electoral process trying to change results, as well as spreading hate speech and threatening to kill people. They where lawfully sentenced, running away to avoid prison.
Alexandre is after the opposition after the occurances of 8/1, in wich our latest dumb president made an attack to an official place called palacio do planalto, all of his arrest was illegal, including setencing an 80 year old to 16 years in prision
Brazil didn't arrest any legal representative. Twitter was fined many times due to not complying with the law, and paid none of them while still ignoring legal decisions and undermining Brazil's sovereignty. The order to comply or suffer the legal consequences of _not following the law repeatedly_ was issued because of that. Obviously the other methods aren't being taken serious. Whats left is ban the platform or arrest someone. Obviously we can't arrest Elon.
Also, Brazil has been deep into ridiculous political fake news for years now, fact which culminated in an coordinated attack and invasion of the supreme court in January 8th 2022 (much similar to USA capitol attack a few years prior)
These are the "journalists" that have been arrested. Those involved with massive schemes of misinformation and organizers of riots.
Other than that, i don't think many people suffered consequences other than habing their X/telegram accounts banned or self-exiling (aka moving to another country for no reason) because they simply dislike the current government
@@geralbdt>exiled journalists
>looks inside
>wingnuts
I'm brazilian, and I can tell that the orders were unlawful, therefore X cannot comply with them per US law that forbids a US based company of committing a crime in a foreign country. The order were unlawful in several aspects, but the most blatant is the fact that brazilian law forbids preemptive censorship, meaning it forbids profile removal, only contents (posts) can be removed through a court order, the law is very clear about that (refer to internet civil act). Also, brazilian congressmen have immunity against any type of censorship (refer to brazilian constitution), and the laws ordered the removal of profiles of brazilian congressmen. There are several other laws broken in this whole mess, but those are the most important in my view and most experts. Moraes' is acting outside the law, as criminal, and has the support of almost all supreme court ministers, and he and the court has been acting like that since 2016 at Dilma's (Lula's successor) impeachment. The brazilian supreme court has a closed inquiry (meaning a hidden prosecution that nobody has access to) that is completely illegal as the court cannot open an inquiry that does not treat crimes that happened inside the court, that it uses to censor and jail political opponents, people have been killed in jail without even knowing why they were there because they or their defense has no access to the process, including a journalist, this inquiry is called 'inquérito do fim do mundo' or 'inquiry of the end of the world'.
Twitter is bad, but going after citizens who try to access it is worse.
bro alexandr is after the opposition after the occurances of 8/1, in wich our latest dumb president made an attack to an official place called palacio do planalto, all of his arrest was illegal, including setencing an 80 year old to 16 years in prision
Funny story is that this judge might have been appoint because he helped arrest the hacker who somehow stole nudes from the ex-president Michel Temer's first lady 💀💀
starlink is expensive in brazil, not everyone can have it
Everything is expensive here, lol
its about the same price as an Optical Fiber plan
@@ioritenshi its fucking not. Its at the very least twice. 200brl/month what fucking optic fiber plan do you have?
@@Denny-77 Waah stop swearing waah
Still less expensive than fontainian efforts to save fontaine from flooding
Based Brazil
As a brazilian, that guy is a psycho who's trying to censure everyone who speaks againt his tirany. We are truly living some dark times, don't let this happen in your country guys, FIGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOM!
Bro, my life, and 90% of this country, has changed literally 0%, get a job.
Nah he's based, go touch grass
@@davidchristenes9062
"0%" with one of the highest inflation rates in the world, good lie. Everything is getting more and more expensive by the day, and censorship is getting more and more problematic.
"acorda,a gente ja tá na ditadura"
Don't come to Brazil.
Also, to anyone in Brazil, go create your own VPN or use Tor with Snowflake as bridge.
I host a Snowflake few hours a day. Anyone should be able to use internet imo.
According to Brazilian law, companies must appoint a local representative if they are conducting business in the country. Since Twitter ceased its operations in Brazil, it was no longer able to conduct business, making any requirement for a representative irrelevant. Therefore, the decision appears to be unlawful. Furthermore, if the company were still conducting business in Brazil, the law provides a 90-day period to appoint a representative, not just 24 hours.
Elon Musk gona be sent to Brazil