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When you reach the depths of nihilism even the self becomes an illusion, a puppet of you of schopenhauers description of the will. Sometimes I wish I could forget I know of this stuff. It's dangerous knowledge that can strip everything from a person. Knowing that nothing has any value is like carrying a boat anchor on ones back.
In eastern philosophies and mystical practices, the concept of the illusion of the self is known for a very long time. There is a recognition of the small self, which exists by our attachments to our thoughts and emotions, and that can make us feel small in this universe. But also, there is the true nature of our being, that is prior to any thought. The awareness itself. There is nothing pessimistic about seeing through the illusion of our being. In fact, it is far more fulfilling and liberating than anything the world can offer. But the process can be unpleasant. Often comparable to dying, because often it demands to let go of anything you are attached to.
Saying that humanity is a "cancer on the universe" is itself a moral judgement and therefore not really consistent with Nihilistic philosophy which is that fundamentally all actions are equally meaningless and valueless from an objective standard.
Exactly, all living creatures will go extinct in the end. It doesn't matter what goes on in this world, entropy will silence all of it no matter how much we protest it which really stims from our evolutionary survival mechanism. I wish I could forget this knowledge sometimes.
@@codester1111 You don't know the entire cosmology of the universe based on the shreds of information we are given and try to build models with. There are even cyclical models that are compatible with the heat death (like Conformal Cyclic Cosmology). There is also nothing pessimistic or sad about the state of being that you presented. It may seem sad if you are attached to this life and to the need for the next moment to 'become', which is a natural response, but not ultimately necessary.
Nihilism itself is just a depressing contradiction and was originally coined so that philosophers could criticize it. It’s never been valid because any belief you have is an inherent contradiction. Hating life is a moral judgment, having standards is a moral system, the only place for Nihilism is death in all its forms. Nihilism is not the hatred of life, it’s the disregard of life. You don’t even care
That is the irony of nihilism and makes it paradoxical. One way I heard nihilism explained is it’s not so much a philosophy but mental state. An attitude and outlook one gets due to chronic depression and/or trauma. Rick Sanchez is practically a textbook example of both.
Decent video. Could you do a part two? Another character like this is Cyrus from Tron Uprising. He's a nihilist and a determinist, which is what leads to his insane attempt to destroy the Grid. Also, the character of Rust Cohle from True Detective is a nihilist, and he's actually one of two primary protagonists. Nihilism and other pessimism-related philosophies tend to get a bad rap because they're philosophies of negation, and descriptive, rather than prescriptive.
Insanity is just another form of intelligence, like anyone, we can “choose” what we want to do based on our experiences on life, and because of this, some people end up repeating something that is seen as “insanity” to a “normal” person.
Rick c137 isn't an alcoholic because "big brain, big sad", it's a culmination of tragic loss of his family and an insatiable thirst for vengeance that hasn't been quenched. You can't really define our main character Rick by any other. He was the least interested in portal technology and the most empathetic. Now sure, Rick has nihilistic ideas and tendencies to make that type of rebuttal in a conversation about ethics, but understandably, in his position, it's the most likely answer one would assume. You're a super genius who can literally invent micro-universes and de-age your body, but rekindled love with your dead wife is far beyond taboo. It's why I've learned to honestly respect Rick, that even though he's a scientist, he also still has somewhat a avid choatic yet moral principle. Another thing to add is that Rick genuinely does love his family, but the cold harsh reality is he was the least able to receive a receptive one, as well as the fact that the reason Rick left the original family behind is because it is literally his ENEMY'S family. A family that reflects Rick Prime's traits of narcissism, abandonment, and abuse. Of course rick could've just lived in another universe from the getgo, but I believe a big emotion drives in the lane of vengeance, *spite*. Rick went to prove that even if all contingency fails, his form of selfish glory is better than his arch enemy RP, but in the end he never truly recovered from the winning of such an event. Instead his spiral into a mad man continues slowly, only holding onto the cusp that he so loves his family that he must shed away his cold exterior to finally realize that they are his true driving force. I don't know man, I hope what I said made sinnce, but Rick never felt like an "evil" character, just a man with too much power and too many selfish goals, but still has a shed of light if he chooses to become a better version of Rick than RP. But hey, that's just my opinion.
The Joker is a nihilistic character that is his archetype and he’s in the 80’s his nihilistic psychopathic/sociopathic tendencies were introduced, he didn’t always go on about his philosophy on nihlism, heck for most of the Dark Knight he doesn’t go into his beliefs, he just keeps tricking or killing people. Jack Nicholson’s Joker like Heath Ledger’s Joker is just a strong reflection of the character in comics. Joker’s character when your break him down is a Nihilistic Hedonist which means nothing matters so I’ll do whatever I want. Joker talks about it in the dark knight once or twice like he does in The Killing Joke but Jack Nicholson’s Joker just lives that philosophy like The Joker has in some other comics. The biggest difference between the two is that Heath’s Joker isn’t really afraid of death, or Batman compared Jack’s Joker who does show some fear in certain instances. When Joker fell at the end of The Dark Knight he laughs like a maniac embracing his fate as Batman catches him, when Joker falls off roof in Batman (1989) he screams in terror until he dies. Now in comics Sometimes The Joker doesn’t fear death, other times he does but in terms of which is more accurate I’d say Heath’s Joker takes the cake. Also Joker’s nihlism isn’t really “political” it’s more philosophical & psychological. Also Joker’s whole point when it came to his philosophy was to prove to Gotham but more importantly to prove to Batman that everything is meaningless, and that madness is the cure. So rules, structure, consistency, none of it matters, where all just animals who fight for dominance over what we want. Joker has a child’s mindset that rejects responsibility. Carnage:”You get The Joke?” Joker:”What Joke?” Carnage:”That life is utterly meaningless , totally absurd, and madness is the only insane response.” Joker:”Oh that joke!” Carnage:”Joker my friend we belong together.” This was from The Spider-Man Batman crossover back in September 1995. This Nihilistic, Hedonistic, Absurdism, was always true to the character.
You can be a Hedonistic Nihilist as this philosophy like many philosophies can create extensions of their beliefs by mixing ideas which has often happened throughout human history. There are many different ideas & styles behind the philosophy of nihilism because like many other philosophies , philosophers give their own spins on said philosophies creating new looks at these philosophies. A Hedonic Nihilist like The Joker & other types of Nihilists agree that life and existence has no true meaning, they agree that everything is meaningless but they’re approaches to that belief aren’t always the same. You have different versions of Nihilism itself like positive & negative nihilism. “Hedonic Nihilism is the belief that because there is no inherent value in living a good life, the only way I should live is to maximise my own sensational pleasure.” Hedonic Nihilism is an amalgamation of two philosophical ideas. Hedonism can be seen as a school of thought which suggests that the pursuit of pleasure is the primary, if not only, intrinsic good in human life. Now pleasure may not mean purely that of sensation (food, sex, drugs etc), but for the purpose of Hedonic Nihilism I will focus purely on these. The hedonist seeks to maximise net pleasure (pleasure - pain) as they believe this is the ultimate good, the sumum bonum. Nihilism is the philosophical view that there is no intrinsic meaning to any aspect of life. “Existential Nihilism suggests life has no intrinsic value and from this we get Moral Nihilism, which states that morality is not something that is inherent to objective reality. Now you’re probably putting the pieces together and understanding what Hedonic Nihilism means. To put it simply: Hedonic Nihilism is the belief that because there is no inherent value in living a good life, the only way I should live is to maximise my own sensational pleasure.” This is the philosophy The Joker in most interpretations lives by, and it’s why he does whatever he wants and doesn’t live by what normal society considers to be rules. I understood what you meant by political nihilism which is just another of saying Apolitical but my point is that Joker’s nihilism in that movie is beyond politics, or society it goes into humanity and human psychology. He’s arguing that people are naturally chaotic, and rules , morals, society are all pointless concepts people made to make themselves feel better. This is a lot deeper then just saying politics or society doesn’t matter , this is more of a psychological and philosophical take on Nihilism about humanity tying it down to simply a stance on politics and nothing deeper is just scratching the surface and a poor interpretation. A sociopath doesn’t need to have reasons to do what they do but sociopaths are impacted by social trauma and it can effect them not just psychologically but can impact their beliefs. It doesn’t mean it would, but it could. So you can have sociopaths who believe in something, or nothing, it doesn’t really matter if they have a philosophy, or any kind of belief the point is that they are mentally unwell in medical terms and in terms of fiction even though fiction likes to exaggerate it with characters like The Joker.
Rick got beat up by a Zues and admitted if a more powerful God was around that they’d be in trouble. So Rick’s pretty familiar with The Legit God Species In The Multiverse and he seems to be afraid of them. There’s also the fact that his atheism logic makes no sense in a multiverse of infinite universe with infinite possibilities. There is a God & gods that exist, he just rejects them. this is the same Rick who prayed to the Christian God to save him in Season 2 Episode 1 and then when his collar mysteriously worked he started cursing out God and talking about not believing in him. Rick is very flip-floppy. I’m not saying he respects God, my point is that Rick fears Legit Gods based on the situation if he believes he’s prepared to face a God he’ll be extremely over confident and egotistical but if he finds himself in scenarios where he doesn’t have the advantage by someone at a higher level then himself or a literal God he can’t punch to death or use his tech against then you start to see a more vulnerable scared Rick. The show has shown this several times that while he praises himself and built a legend that he’s the smartest in the universe there’s always someone out there who can beat him whether he goes to a dimension literally run by magic and gets his ass kicked by a Wizard or whether he prays to God in the face of oblivion when he believes he has no way out or whether he gets his ass kicked by a Zues God who weakens himself on Rick’s terms to fight him, or whether he threatens a reality warper who can easily kill him only to run away when he no longer has the advantage. And none of these examples I just gave go into some of his odd flaws like his random fear of Pirates 🏴☠️. Rick has been captured before, killed before, knocked out, beaten up and not just in the show but in the comics as well like when Doofus Jerry beat the shit out of him. But the prime example to finish my point is when Rick built a finite curve between all the universes where he’s the smartest and all the other infinite universes where he isn’t throughout The Multiverse. This show has continued to prove that Rick isn’t always the winner nor is his philosophies, beliefs and views always correct but that’s just natural because the setting this show tackles is the multiverse and by the literal concept of the multiverse there are infinite universes with infinite possibilities so everything is cosmically subjective across infinity and only objective within the different relative rules of each distinct universe’s reality.
@@JHeb_ A Demi God is a half God Half Mortal. That Zues most likely wasn’t a Demi God, probably was just a minor level cosmic God in the God Species. It’s not clear whether a mortal was involved for the creation of that Zues so we can’t for sure say it is a Demi God but I’m willing to bet That Zues isn’t the highest on The God Hierarchy. Demi God- a being with partial or lesser divine status, such as a minor deity, the offspring of a god and a mortal, or a mortal raised to divine rank.
@@bendu8282 I generally thought of demigod to be simply of lesser than the absolute. A finite being. Zeus may not be a demigod, but not an absolute God either.
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very nice, never thought nihilism would interest me so much, the explanation was interesting and the video was nicely edited
Great stuff, make more videos like this bro
When you reach the depths of nihilism even the self becomes an illusion, a puppet of you of schopenhauers description of the will. Sometimes I wish I could forget I know of this stuff. It's dangerous knowledge that can strip everything from a person. Knowing that nothing has any value is like carrying a boat anchor on ones back.
In eastern philosophies and mystical practices, the concept of the illusion of the self is known for a very long time. There is a recognition of the small self, which exists by our attachments to our thoughts and emotions, and that can make us feel small in this universe. But also, there is the true nature of our being, that is prior to any thought. The awareness itself.
There is nothing pessimistic about seeing through the illusion of our being. In fact, it is far more fulfilling and liberating than anything the world can offer. But the process can be unpleasant. Often comparable to dying, because often it demands to let go of anything you are attached to.
This is a good vid man
thank you! i appreciate it
Saying that humanity is a "cancer on the universe" is itself a moral judgement and therefore not really consistent with Nihilistic philosophy which is that fundamentally all actions are equally meaningless and valueless from an objective standard.
Exactly, all living creatures will go extinct in the end. It doesn't matter what goes on in this world, entropy will silence all of it no matter how much we protest it which really stims from our evolutionary survival mechanism. I wish I could forget this knowledge sometimes.
@@codester1111
You don't know the entire cosmology of the universe based on the shreds of information we are given and try to build models with. There are even cyclical models that are compatible with the heat death (like Conformal Cyclic Cosmology).
There is also nothing pessimistic or sad about the state of being that you presented. It may seem sad if you are attached to this life and to the need for the next moment to 'become', which is a natural response, but not ultimately necessary.
Nihilism itself is just a depressing contradiction and was originally coined so that philosophers could criticize it. It’s never been valid because any belief you have is an inherent contradiction. Hating life is a moral judgment, having standards is a moral system, the only place for Nihilism is death in all its forms. Nihilism is not the hatred of life, it’s the disregard of life. You don’t even care
That is the irony of nihilism and makes it paradoxical. One way I heard nihilism explained is it’s not so much a philosophy but mental state. An attitude and outlook one gets due to chronic depression and/or trauma. Rick Sanchez is practically a textbook example of both.
it may not matter to others but it matters to me and thats all that matters! matter
Decent video. Could you do a part two? Another character like this is Cyrus from Tron Uprising. He's a nihilist and a determinist, which is what leads to his insane attempt to destroy the Grid. Also, the character of Rust Cohle from True Detective is a nihilist, and he's actually one of two primary protagonists. Nihilism and other pessimism-related philosophies tend to get a bad rap because they're philosophies of negation, and descriptive, rather than prescriptive.
i’ll do some research and leave another reply
This was a very interesting video :)
thank you, any interesting topics you would like me to cover?
Great parallelism
Insanity is just another form of intelligence, like anyone, we can “choose” what we want to do based on our experiences on life, and because of this, some people end up repeating something that is seen as “insanity” to a “normal” person.
Rick c137 isn't an alcoholic because "big brain, big sad", it's a culmination of tragic loss of his family and an insatiable thirst for vengeance that hasn't been quenched. You can't really define our main character Rick by any other. He was the least interested in portal technology and the most empathetic. Now sure, Rick has nihilistic ideas and tendencies to make that type of rebuttal in a conversation about ethics, but understandably, in his position, it's the most likely answer one would assume. You're a super genius who can literally invent micro-universes and de-age your body, but rekindled love with your dead wife is far beyond taboo. It's why I've learned to honestly respect Rick, that even though he's a scientist, he also still has somewhat a avid choatic yet moral principle. Another thing to add is that Rick genuinely does love his family, but the cold harsh reality is he was the least able to receive a receptive one, as well as the fact that the reason Rick left the original family behind is because it is literally his ENEMY'S family. A family that reflects Rick Prime's traits of narcissism, abandonment, and abuse. Of course rick could've just lived in another universe from the getgo, but I believe a big emotion drives in the lane of vengeance, *spite*. Rick went to prove that even if all contingency fails, his form of selfish glory is better than his arch enemy RP, but in the end he never truly recovered from the winning of such an event. Instead his spiral into a mad man continues slowly, only holding onto the cusp that he so loves his family that he must shed away his cold exterior to finally realize that they are his true driving force.
I don't know man, I hope what I said made sinnce, but Rick never felt like an "evil" character, just a man with too much power and too many selfish goals, but still has a shed of light if he chooses to become a better version of Rick than RP. But hey, that's just my opinion.
The Joker is a nihilistic character that is his archetype and he’s in the 80’s his nihilistic psychopathic/sociopathic tendencies were introduced, he didn’t always go on about his philosophy on nihlism, heck for most of the Dark Knight he doesn’t go into his beliefs, he just keeps tricking or killing people. Jack Nicholson’s Joker like Heath Ledger’s Joker is just a strong reflection of the character in comics. Joker’s character when your break him down is a Nihilistic Hedonist which means nothing matters so I’ll do whatever I want. Joker talks about it in the dark knight once or twice like he does in The Killing Joke but Jack Nicholson’s Joker just lives that philosophy like The Joker has in some other comics. The biggest difference between the two is that Heath’s Joker isn’t really afraid of death, or Batman compared Jack’s Joker who does show some fear in certain instances. When Joker fell at the end of The Dark Knight he laughs like a maniac embracing his fate as Batman catches him, when Joker falls off roof in Batman (1989) he screams in terror until he dies. Now in comics Sometimes The Joker doesn’t fear death, other times he does but in terms of which is more accurate I’d say Heath’s Joker takes the cake. Also Joker’s nihlism isn’t really “political” it’s more philosophical & psychological. Also Joker’s whole point when it came to his philosophy was to prove to Gotham but more importantly to prove to Batman that everything is meaningless, and that madness is the cure. So rules, structure, consistency, none of it matters, where all just animals who fight for dominance over what we want. Joker has a child’s mindset that rejects responsibility.
Carnage:”You get The Joke?”
Joker:”What Joke?”
Carnage:”That life is utterly meaningless , totally absurd, and madness is the only insane response.”
Joker:”Oh that joke!”
Carnage:”Joker my friend we belong together.”
This was from The Spider-Man Batman crossover back in September 1995. This Nihilistic, Hedonistic, Absurdism, was always true to the character.
I mean nothing matters but that doesn’t matter
You can be a Hedonistic Nihilist as this philosophy like many philosophies can create extensions of their beliefs by mixing ideas which has often happened throughout human history. There are many different ideas & styles behind the philosophy of nihilism because like many other philosophies , philosophers give their own spins on said philosophies creating new looks at these philosophies. A Hedonic Nihilist like The Joker & other types of Nihilists agree that life and existence has no true meaning, they agree that everything is meaningless but they’re approaches to that belief aren’t always the same. You have different versions of Nihilism itself like positive & negative nihilism.
“Hedonic Nihilism is the belief that because there is no inherent value in living a good life, the only way I should live is to maximise my own sensational pleasure.”
Hedonic Nihilism is an amalgamation of two philosophical ideas. Hedonism can be seen as a school of thought which suggests that the pursuit of pleasure is the primary, if not only, intrinsic good in human life. Now pleasure may not mean purely that of sensation (food, sex, drugs etc), but for the purpose of Hedonic Nihilism I will focus purely on these. The hedonist seeks to maximise net pleasure (pleasure - pain) as they believe this is the ultimate good, the sumum bonum. Nihilism is the philosophical view that there is no intrinsic meaning to any aspect of life.
“Existential Nihilism suggests life has no intrinsic value and from this we get Moral Nihilism, which states that morality is not something that is inherent to objective reality. Now you’re probably putting the pieces together and understanding what Hedonic Nihilism means. To put it simply: Hedonic Nihilism is the belief that because there is no inherent value in living a good life, the only way I should live is to maximise my own sensational pleasure.”
This is the philosophy The Joker in most interpretations lives by, and it’s why he does whatever he wants and doesn’t live by what normal society considers to be rules.
I understood what you meant by political nihilism which is just another of saying Apolitical but my point is that Joker’s nihilism in that movie is beyond politics, or society it goes into humanity and human psychology. He’s arguing that people are naturally chaotic, and rules , morals, society are all pointless concepts people made to make themselves feel better. This is a lot deeper then just saying politics or society doesn’t matter , this is more of a psychological and philosophical take on Nihilism about humanity tying it down to simply a stance on politics and nothing deeper is just scratching the surface and a poor interpretation.
A sociopath doesn’t need to have reasons to do what they do but sociopaths are impacted by social trauma and it can effect them not just psychologically but can impact their beliefs. It doesn’t mean it would, but it could. So you can have sociopaths who believe in something, or nothing, it doesn’t really matter if they have a philosophy, or any kind of belief the point is that they are mentally unwell in medical terms and in terms of fiction even though fiction likes to exaggerate it with characters like The Joker.
i’m the center of my own universe. as are you who’s reading this be in yours. prove me wrong.
But does that downfall matter? I dont think so.
Rick got beat up by a Zues and admitted if a more powerful God was around that they’d be in trouble. So Rick’s pretty familiar with The Legit God Species In The Multiverse and he seems to be afraid of them. There’s also the fact that his atheism logic makes no sense in a multiverse of infinite universe with infinite possibilities. There is a God & gods that exist, he just rejects them.
this is the same Rick who prayed to the Christian God to save him in Season 2 Episode 1 and then when his collar mysteriously worked he started cursing out God and talking about not believing in him. Rick is very flip-floppy. I’m not saying he respects God, my point is that Rick fears Legit Gods based on the situation if he believes he’s prepared to face a God he’ll be extremely over confident and egotistical but if he finds himself in scenarios where he doesn’t have the advantage by someone at a higher level then himself or a literal God he can’t punch to death or use his tech against then you start to see a more vulnerable scared Rick. The show has shown this several times that while he praises himself and built a legend that he’s the smartest in the universe there’s always someone out there who can beat him whether he goes to a dimension literally run by magic and gets his ass kicked by a Wizard or whether he prays to God in the face of oblivion when he believes he has no way out or whether he gets his ass kicked by a Zues God who weakens himself on Rick’s terms to fight him, or whether he threatens a reality warper who can easily kill him only to run away when he no longer has the advantage. And none of these examples I just gave go into some of his odd flaws like his random fear of Pirates 🏴☠️. Rick has been captured before, killed before, knocked out, beaten up and not just in the show but in the comics as well like when Doofus Jerry beat the shit out of him. But the prime example to finish my point is when Rick built a finite curve between all the universes where he’s the smartest and all the other infinite universes where he isn’t throughout The Multiverse. This show has continued to prove that Rick isn’t always the winner nor is his philosophies, beliefs and views always correct but that’s just natural because the setting this show tackles is the multiverse and by the literal concept of the multiverse there are infinite universes with infinite possibilities so everything is cosmically subjective across infinity and only objective within the different relative rules of each distinct universe’s reality.
The "Gods" like Zeus is more of a demigod rather than the God which we mean as the absolute.
@@JHeb_ A Demi God is a half God Half Mortal. That Zues most likely wasn’t a Demi God, probably was just a minor level cosmic God in the God Species. It’s not clear whether a mortal was involved for the creation of that Zues so we can’t for sure say it is a Demi God but I’m willing to bet That Zues isn’t the highest on The God Hierarchy.
Demi God- a being with partial or lesser divine status, such as a minor deity, the offspring of a god and a mortal, or a mortal raised to divine rank.
@@bendu8282
I generally thought of demigod to be simply of lesser than the absolute. A finite being. Zeus may not be a demigod, but not an absolute God either.