The Top Ten Defunct French Car Brands
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- The Top Ten Defunct French Car Brands
10-Berliet
09-Salmson
08-Avions Voisin
07-Chenard et Walcker
06-Panhard
05-Automobiles Talbot France
04-Simca
03-Matra
02-Facel Vega
01-Delahaye
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Facel-Vega, so beautyful and luxerious.
A top 10 does the French car history no justice. A top 100 just might
Definitely, many of them are much beautiful than what they build today.
Agree totally. More diverse styling and just more interesting. I love French cars. Unique!
@@maryrafuse3851 The old ones, yes.
It's like what they say sometimes "you either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain"
The Frenchmen could really build beautiful and advanced cars.......Not to mention Citroen from the golden years 1955 - 1975!
exactly!!!
All European countries have had brands that have given a certain reputation and image throughout the world, brands that were inventive and with a great personality. Unfortunately for almost all these countries their brands have disappeared and there remains the memory of a time when all these countries came to compete on the track sharing the same passion for the automobile
The most Beautiful cars ever.
This video was a fine start for the next 10... Some of these brands produced also very fine racing cars.
I had a SIMCA ARONDE, 4 dr, 4 speed on column, radial tires, great economy, super date car, seats laid down like AMC cars. It would hug the curves, drove great. Wished I still had it.
My Simca 1000 was driven like a rally car. Not a fast car, but so darn fun, with a rear mounted engine, and low to the ground.
You forgot Delage. It is impossible for me to think of Delahaye without thinking of Delage or vice versa.
My thoughts exactly! Delage and Delahaye go together like salt & pepper, peanut butter & jelly, eggs & bacon!
WELL TRY HARDER
you also have Hispano Suiza
@@koomky Strictly, a Spanish marque - although it had factories in France also. The latter developed into an aero-engine specialist.
@@shanehnorman yes
I don't like the grille much but other than that the Facel Vegas that you showed were truly beautiful cars.
I’d love to see them resurrected and continue with the classic designs ( not modern crap looks )
You guys missed Delage and Hotchkiss, oh damn also DB, deDion Bouton, Venturi and I am sure there are others, but these were at least the well known ones
And Audibert Lavirotte also.
@@kalindajackson3667 bugatti still exists
@@kalindajackson3667 The real Bugatti, owned and founded by an Italian.
No great loss, french, wrird for weirds sake
@breizhilien Ettore Bugatti was Italian
So far 32 dislikes, or rather, folk with no style or class?! These cars are works of art!
Interesting selection here. Thank you
Thank you
Car and motorcycle freak born in the early 60s and thanks for the video. Yes, i also liked the music. 👍
Amilcar, Bucciali, Constantinesco, Darraq, de Dion Boutton, Delage, Dietrich-Lorraine, Farman, Gobron Brille, Hotchkiss, etc. great automobiles... And notable and luxury cars crafted in France - Hispano-Suiza, Bugatti, carosiers, Art deco designers. Great history of cars .
Isn't Hispano-Suiza from Switzerland and Spain ?
@@vico4981 a Swiss and a Spanish created Hispano Suiza in France
@@vico4981 Hispano Suiza was an oddity. A combination of Swiss engineering and Spanish money, with factories in both Barcelona and Paris. The Barcelona factory lasted until after WW II, making a respectable 3 litre car, nowhere near as grand as those from Paris but very sound none the less.
First Le Mans Winner Ballot is missing also and the nice little Cars from Lucien Rosengart.
@@graemedurie9094 The Factory of Hispano Suiza was fusioned into ENASA a Spanish State Holding, comparable to SNECMA in France, and is still involved in Truck development of Pegaso Trucks?
Panhard 24 Tigre, still my dream car built in the 60s, looked like something from the 21st Century.
Sure, but when you hear the engine you get second thoughts.
@@johnkrols7974 Nowadays, I must agree! Maybe convert it to electric?
I remember a Garage in Garches taking a Delahaye and cutting it up to turn it into a tow truck. Early sixties.
Thanks for watching
C'est le garagiste qu'il aurait fallu découper en morceaux.
The red Facel Vega towards the end of the video is the only one known to exist today. The car is in the US and is used as a daily driver. A beautiful car to see in person.....
I've seen several, both in museums, car shows and even one owned by a VW specialist in his shop. Uncommon, very much so, but plenty survive as they were exclusive and valuable cars but built with Chrysler drivelines, meaning they were reliable and powerful. Don't worry as the people who know what they are will still keep them.
A l'époque notre pays étais une fierté et un pays a battre sur tous les terrain dans ce qu'était de l'automobile mais bon les temps on change.
Adieu les marques fièrement patriotique tels que panhard,delahaye/delage hotchkiss,Salmson,gordini,bugatti,talbot...
Sans oublier toute les marque qui ont fait notre fierté avant la guerre.
Maintenant place au voiture sans âme et sans aucun espoir tels que Renault pigeot Citroën. Triste a voir
L'automobile française jusqu'au année 60 étais magnifique
That's what I say too.....
Comme d'habitude, la trahison des élites...
1:06 That's a very imponent machine!
3:24 Not a car, it's a piece of art!!!!
Et où sont les Hotchkiss et Delage ?
I’d like to see a lot more detail about the models from these makes, and why they went out. I think “big car“ does videos like this which are excellent.
The great prewar french cars were expensive and being rich their owners were identified as collaborators with the nazi. Only people movers survived by 1960. This was gvt. policy in a plan called the Pons plan in 1945.
French Cars are very different from other countries cars. They have truly their own personalities and very well engineered.Just take for example the highly comfortable Citroen D S or the beautiful S M . 50 years in advanced technology. What car today can drive on 3 wheels ? and the brake pedal looks like a mushroom. Ha,Ha . I still have my Citroen S M, it should be in the Louvre next to Mona Lisa. A bientot....
French cars during that era are are works of art
Absolutely. DS & SM. Manifique.
And the GS as the most amazing small car and the 2CV equally unique as an Umbrella on Wheels, and the Traction as a true sculptural trend setter. Even the C6 is like an SM meets a CX. Vive La Difference!
Love the mushroom brake. Faster reaction time than any pedal. Plus anti lock rear brakes with load proportioning valve with the car squatting under heavy braking instead of nose diving. Only zee French.
DS was a shit box , full of dead end technology, same rattly motor from the light 15.
As they say - Either you love them or you are heterosexual
The choice of those who appreciate design.. Engineers and Architects are big fans. Jorn Utzon the young Danish architect who designed the iconic World Heritage Sydney Opera House owned a DS here while living in Sydney.
The late Harry Seidler designed many ironic Sydney commercial and residential buildings including Australia Square, MLC Centre, Grosvenor Square, The Horizon. He drove Citroens for decades.
And yes Gays who like design are also attracted to iconic French cars voted by motoring authorities as stunning automotive achievements... Experts agree.. Including supreme motor enthusiast Jay Leno who has a 2CV, a Traction, A DS and an SM. Likewise film director Francis Ford Coppola has vineyards, Citroens, Teslas and a Tucker..
Lovely.
Thanks for watching
Defunct only as automobile maker: most of this makes still exists today, integrated in industrial groups , but did not build cars, except some military vehicles (Panhard Levassor), some did build aircraft equipents (Voisin,Bugatti,Hispano Suiza) or reconverted like Salmson who built high technology water pumps, Matra is mainly a military high technology equipement and weapon (missiles) maker...
I would have had De Dion Bouton somewhere in there. The most important brand no one has ever heard of! We still use their suspension, by the way...
The most spectacular are models of late 1960s Delhaye, which you have seriously missed.
panhard existe toujours ,elle fait des véhicules pour l'armée française
Now Is called "Arquus" and is under Volvo group
Le sujet concerne des véhicules civil !!!
I love French car design, nothing like it.
Many of these companies met their demise in post-war France due to over-regulation by the French government.
It wasn't over regulation at all, especially post WW2 when there was a shortage of vehicles, pre war manufacturers restarted production everywhere and agree new ones turned up too, just that that many manufacturers was untenable, I owned a 1946 La Licorne for a while, a little 4 seat compact car, they sold few, but it had its own inhouse designed engine, gearbox and axles for example. In a pre war world that was fine, but not post war where the competition was fierce and big factories and production lines were the only way to compete.
The vast majority of these defunct car makers weren't regulated out of existence, they moved manufacturing to products better suited to their facilities or more lucrative products.
@@ForeverNeverwhere1 great comment! Thank you for sharing that perspective.
Rest In Peace
The old verse
One man's meat is another man's poison
My favourite car is an Avions Voisin.
M Voisin was heavily involved in the early aviation industry, particularly in WW I.
It's a pity that you did not have a photograph of a Panhard from the 20's or 30's. They were very grand cars, Those after the Citroën takeover were very interesting but in nowhere near the same class.
Panhard et Levassor were the first cars to be made to a layout that became almost universal until the 1959 Austin Mini arrived - longitudinal engine mated to a gearbox behind it, driving the rear wheels through a prop-shaft and differential. All in 1891.
@@shanehnorman If I remember right, the very earliest Panhards used a variety of drives until settling upon the design you describe. It was called the système Panhard for many years after - perhaps as late as WW II, certainly still in 1930. The descent of Panhard from the luxury class before WW II to the very different small car it was after then is sad. The last models were clearly from the same pen as the Citroen DS. By the way, don't forget the very popular VW, Renault 750 (both rear-engined, of course) and a whole range of front wheel drive cars from other manufacturers which pre-dated the Mini.
@@graemedurie9094 Thank you; you're right about the early versions of la systeme Panhard. However, I've got to respond on behalf of Alec Issigonis. None before him put the engine across the frame, with the gearbox underneath. Nowadays, a walk down any street will find almost no cars under two litres that DON'T have a transverse engine driving the front wheels.
@@shanehnorman You're right about that, he was the first with that concept. Issigonis was a concept person rather than an engineer in the traditional sense.
@@graemedurie9094 Indeed - he sketched the Mini concept on the back of a restaurant napkin.
Facel Vega is founded in 1954, not 1939.
The Facel bit was founded in '39 but didn't make cars until the '50s. It made car bodies for other manufacturers until, as you say, 1954 when it started to build its own machines.
Instead of the music, maybe a little background on each would be better
how could you forget Hispano-Suiza and Bugatti ?
Bugatti still exists. I agree about Hispano Suiza,
@@gchelem They re-erected the Bugatti ,name but it is not the same company .
@@majorneptunejr why? Because it belongs to Volkswagen. What about Ferrari then? Should we rebrand them as posh fiat ?
Some really sharp styling. They put North American cars to shame in that category.
How were they placed in order? By total sales or years in business?
No they didn't. Some were nice looking but mostly they were oddball designs. The one area American cars shined was styling and design. And except for the exotic sports cars nothing built in Europe can compare to the styling of post war American cars.
@@standupp2885 10 points, A lot of French cars are weird for weirds sake.
And unreliable crap
I didn't know that Voisin built cars. Aicraft, yes of course, but cars too.
Voisin gave the world a straight 12 engine.
Their cars were customs that put the california customizers to shame, and did so years ahead. Voisin's cars were completely wild. The real shame is few have heard of or seen one.
@@Oldbmwr100rs Ok, thanks for the info. I have to find out more about their automotive side.
Whar about DeDion-Bouton, Delage, Hispano-Suiza, Bugatti, Hotchkiss, etc?
Although it was bought by Volkswagen AG in 1998, Bugatti is still a brand producing cars today.
For the rest of the names appearing in your list, you are right, their should be remembered in that video.
Best Regards from France.
Forgot Delage, Hotchkiss, Grégoire ...
il y a une erreur de date pour la tipe 22 des frères voisins ou avions voisins c'est 1928 il me semble
What about Ballot, Hotchkiss, Delahaye, Lorraine Dietrich, Delage, and Bugatti?
Delahaye was number 1 on the list .
Bugatti still exist ...
In 1896 the BRASIER factory started in Ivry sur Seine, he was joined by G Richard in 1902 which gave BRASIER-RICHARD. G Richard quickly leaves CH Brasier but the brand name remains. Wanting more sports car, the factory will close in 1924.
This factory will be returned to DELAHAYE which in 1927 will resell part to HOBART USA manufacturer of kitchen equipment.
At the time, France had the record for car manufacturers.
Thanks for your video.
Panhard Levassor (which was the world's leading car manufacturer) ended in 1965 with the takeover of Citroën which made it disappear, except for the military part which lasted until 2012 when it was taken over by Renault Trucks.
En 1896 démarre l'usine BRASIER à Ivry sur Seine, il est rejoint par G Richard en 1902 ce qui donne BRASIER-RICHARD. G Richard quitte rapidement CH Brasier mais le nom de la marque reste. Voulant plus de voiture sportive, l'usine fermera en 1924.
Cette usine sera revenue à DELAHAYE qui en 1927 revendra une partie à HOBART USA fabricant de matériel de cuisine.
La France avait à l'époque le record de constructeurs automobiles.
Merci de votre vidéo .
Panhard Levassor ( qui a été , mondialement, le 1er constructeur de voiture ) s'est terminé en 1965 par le rachat Citroën qui l'a fait disparaitre en 1967, sauf la partie militaire qui a perduré jusqu'en 2012 racheté par Renault Trucks.
beautiful cars but not much information on individual cars , please next time a little bit more insight ? thank you for the video .
Plus Delage, Hotchkiss, Amilcar, etc. Chenard&Walker : oh yes.
Also Hispano-Suiza and Bugatti (re-born differently). Those last two ones are French of course!
Should have included Hispano Suiza.
Darracq Delhaye Heuliez
I prefer Delahaye..before our cars were more beautiful and attractive. Funny tyres..but the cars didn’t go so far away..
Thnks.
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What car is the image one when you pause the video and go off page and come back..or the same one on the promotion for this video..is it a Dalahaye ? It has the same sort of grill as the last Dalahaye in the video.
Hey finally this is the best infotainment channel I had never seen before.!!
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You Just Missed The Most Important Of All The Bugatti
Bugatti is still on
Bugatti is in 2 separate entities: aircraft equipments and automobiles: first is integrated in the french SAFRAN group, second in the Volkswagen group...
@@leneanderthalience n’est pas important de savoir à qui appartiennent ces marques, ce qui comptent c’est qu’elles existent toujours et en l’occurrence Bugatti fabrique toujours des voitures.
Ever heard of the 2011 Bugatti Veyron?
@@didierlemoine6771 In name only. Not the same company .
What is the car that tbe image tha shown as the promotion of this video. It's the same one if you pause..then leave the page and come back...that image.
It looks like the same grill of the last one in the video the Delahaye...what model if so. I've done a google search but didn't see it.
Thx wwII
What is the car in the thumbnail
you also forgot Bugatti ! as an exceptional French car brand.
Bugatti still exist ..
Sadly from 2030 on all combustion cars including classics will be banned
from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-( In Germany the
Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025
on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas
station per city or county. Now they want to slow down all the gas station fuel
pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in
the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems,
turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and
New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be
done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of
crime here, called emissions and smoke crime.:-((
Some interesting cars but far from anything iconic post WW2. Now what would be a great French top ten would be their wine & cheese....and breads and pastries
Le Car...
silence is golden....muted
simca vedette was another.
The French were hit or miss in the styling and engineering departments, as they tended to do things their way, with little concern for convention or practicality. The Citroen Ami, Dick 3-wheeler, and early 60's Panhards come to mind.
But when they got it right, they did so spectacularly, as with Facel Vegas, Bugattis, Hispano-Suizas, and the big Avions Voisins.
Design where different indeed, but not bad or wrost than an other design
Having owned many Citroens I can attest they very practical and reliable when serviced by mechanics that understand them and appreciate the amazing aspects where difference is truly better.
Best tow cars ever.
Most comfortable cars ever.
Most consistently innovative cars ever.
Some of the most stylish cars ever.. And the ugliest in the Ami.
Quand les voitures Françaises dominaient le monde...
Les voitures Françaises n'ont jamais dominé le monde, la quasi totalité était des artisans qui on fabriqué des voitures a quelque centaines d'exemplaire aux mieux quelque milliers mais rien de plus
@@JJPlayerSpecial
C’est quoi ce ramassis de conneries anti-Française !!!
La France est le pays de naissance de l’automobile, et comptait au début du 20ème siècle des centaines de constructeurs quand le reste de la planète se déplaçait à cheval pauvre clown !
Talbot defunct in 1986.
Et Hotchkiss? Et De Dion Bouton?...
I wouldn't say Simca was French. It was founded in France by FIAT.
before WW2 Simca was a french company that built FIAT's in France because import taxes were very high.
After WW2 Simca went slowly his own route and no more built licensed FIAT's.
Darracq?
Darracq vit encore un tout petit peu...Alfa fut la division italienne de Darracq, avant d'être racheté par l'ingénieur Roméo.
@@charlesb944 Merci, je ne le savais pas.
De rien. Darracq fut un sacré personnage, également dans le coup de la direction d'Opel des machines à coudre vers les autos, ou des rachat et donc rapprochement de Talbot et Sunbeam pour sa filiale anglaise.
Where is Delage and Hotchkiss ?
Et Delage ?
Delage , Hotckis .
Thnks.
Darrack?..
No Hispano-Suiza, the most luxurious one? No Delage? No Hotchkiss? WTF is this list?
Since when is Hispano-Suiza a French brand?
The brand was founded in Barcelona (Spain) in 1904 by Spanish businessmen Damián Mateu Bisa, Francisco Seix Zaya and Swiss engineer Marc Birkigt. In 1911 it had established a subsidiary in France, opening a factory in Bois-Colombes in 1914.
Hispano-Suiza experienced at that time a great boost thanks to the profits obtained in the First World War, the French government filed a lawsuit against the company, taxing it with an extraordinary and arbitrary tax, crudely arguing that during the war it had accumulated a large capital .
In 1920, the claims of the French administration were increasing, demanding amounts of money that affected the company's share capital. Damián Mateu refused to pay, alleging that it was a Spanish company and that, in accordance with the 1862 treaty, no Spanish company would pay taxes on French soil or vice versa. But the French State dismissed these arguments and proceeded to seize all the factories and properties that the firm had in France.
Damián Mateu managed to involve the Spanish government, thus provoking a conflict between governments. This lasted until 1922, when the two parties agreed to accept the award of the former president of the Helvetic Confederation, Gustave Ador. This ruled logically in favor of Spain and Hispano-Suiza. By virtue of the agreement, the French branch would become its own entity and would be managed by an autonomous French company with French capital, the "Société Française Hispano Suiza, S. A.", where Birkigt would hold the position of vice president. The new company had the right to use the trademark and patents of Hispano-Suiza, the Spanish parent company owned the majority of the shares of the French subsidiary company.
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Desde cúando Hispano-Suiza es una marca francesa?
La marca fue fundada en Barcelona (España) en 1904 por los empresarios españoles Damián Mateu Bisa, Francisco Seix Zaya y el ingeniero suizo Marc Birkigt. En 1911 había establecido una filial en Francia, abriendo en 1914 una fábrica en Bois-Colombes.
Hispano-Suiza experimentó por aquel entonces un gran impulso gracias a los beneficios obtenidos en la Primera Guerra Mundial, el gobierno francés presentó una demanda contra la empresa, gravándola con un impuesto extraordinario y arbitrario, argumentando burdamente que durante la guerra había acumulado un gran capital.
En 1920, las pretensiones de la administración francesa eran cada vez mayores, exigiendo cantidades de dinero que afectaban al capital social de la compañía. Damián Mateu se negó a pagar alegando que era una empresa española y que, conforme al tratado de 1862, ninguna empresa española pagaría impuestos en suelo francés ni viceversa. Pero el Estado francés desestimó estos argumentos y procedió al embargo de todas las fábricas y propiedades que tuviera la firma en Francia.
Damián Mateu logró involucrar al gobierno español, provocándose así un conflicto entre gobiernos. Este se prolongó hasta 1922, en que las dos partes se pusieron de acuerdo para aceptar el laudo del antiguo presidente de la Confederación Helvética, Gustave Ador. Este falló lógicamente a favor de España e Hispano-Suiza. En virtud del acuerdo, la sucursal francesa pasaría a tener entidad propia y sería gestionada por una sociedad autónoma francesa con capital francés, la "Société Française Hispano Suiza, S. A.", donde Birkigt ocuparía el cargo de vicepresidente. La nueva sociedad tenía derecho a usar la marca y las patentes de Hispano-Suiza, la casa matriz española poseía la mayoría de las acciones de la empresa filial francesa.
Avez entendu parler des samba et lotus c étaient des Talbos
Berliet stop product cars of 1938 and trucks 1980
Delage, hotckiss, Bugatti..
Bugatti still exist man
A lot is missing !
Thanks for watching.
Sorry but this list isnt correct! Talbot is still valid, as part of peugeot's luxury sports/hypercar division, and matra are still running, making track racing cars, as a division of renault, to name just 2. Others withna more engineering heritage are involved with either the lorry, tram or train modern groups and others undertake parts manufacture for commercial or defence aeronautics industries.
ever heard of a Bugatti?
DELAGE IS THE BEST FRANCE CAR NUMBER ONE.
the french gouverment high taxed the luxury cars so the manufacters went bankrupt
Yes in 1946 there was choices to be taken !
l o u i c h e v r o l e t...arthur.... Donet''''
Citroen are great cars - until they go wrong....Mechanics nightmare.
they are ugly
@@majorneptunejr
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And hurry up, or Cemal will take it away...
Good video....bloody annoying music
You'll find much of this horrible "music" is in many videos as it's public domain and doesn't violate TH-cam copyright rules. They could easily have played some proper classical though I'm sure.
LES DATES SONT FAUSSES
Manque Delage, ce qui n'est pas rien...
Citroen should have gone defunct first and foremost, the gayest most flaccid car maker.
More misinformation.
The French have a fine old tradition of making ugly cars. They seem to take pride in their ability to do that.
Take Matra, for example. They did the seemingly impossible.
Someone gave them an E Type Jaguar and told them "Make it ugly!". And they did. You would not think it possible, but they did.
I wonder what they called it...U Type, maybe.
Although some models, one could get used to.......they all seemed to have a shared heritage in style.
Most were killed by unions
fifty years, They didn’t keep up with design & technology. It’s the respective company directors which couldn’t see the emerging trends, otherwise there would be no car industry if it was only “the unions”.
And USA.
and war