why i stopped listening to music.
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- Are you addicted to music as much as I am? Oh boii...I feel you. I've been trying to have more gaps, silence, times of my day without any external input. Usually, thats considered as counter productive, don't you think? Well...who gets to say whats productive and what not? I try to explore that in my life a little bit and this is what this video is about
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I am surprised that many people are afraid to be left alone with their thoughts. In the modern world there is too much information available, we all need a rest
absolutely with you! something we need to stay aware of
I've thought about this too. Like being with your thoughts is part of the human experience, I guess. You get to know yourself.
@@shinobi5189 some people dont want to know themselves. some people are scared of what they might learn
@@thehumanchris haven't watched the video yet but I just wanted to share my story quick.
I have cut back on music A LOT. Im huge into techno and happy hardcore dnbtrancebreaksetcetc. Lots of very energizing music. I have to be careful when I choose to listen to it because it can get me all pumped up and jumpy when I need to, at that time, be chill and relaxed.
I only really listen to music before I go workout now.
I’d say I’m not afraid to be alone with my thoughts since I do that when I don’t have music.
But I feel rather bored, idk, I love music and basically blasting it through my brains. But I’m not listening to music because I’m scared to be a lone with my thoughts. I see this comment a lot, and I feel like most people aren’t afraid to be alone in silence, but it’s just boring. Rosie ally when you can listen to your favourite music.
I mean sometimes I’ll just sit there with no music, maybe not for very long, but I don’t put my headphones on because I can’t be alone by myself.
And I also understand that listening to music probably isn’t that good for you tbh. I mean I had like 167,000 minutes in 2020 on Spotify. And it’s been decreasing ever since then to like 55,000 minutes now, which is a huge decrease. -and even then each day I put on a 15 minutes timer on the Spotify sleep timer, so it’s a decent amount less.
Anyways, it’s not about being afraid, I think it’s about boredom and usually people being overstimulated, or getting used to being overstimulated.
I looked at the title of the video and thought, "why would someone do that, music is beautiful" but i get it now. I never actually thought about it from this perspective. having a form of media playing during any dull task has become such a habit, it's engraved into me. but you're right. The reason i was so creative and innovative as a child was because i had to fill the silence on my own, i've been asking myself were that spontaneous creativity went over the years now that i'm studying art. I think i figured it out now, thank you :) i'm going to tune into the world more from now on ;p
Well, there are actually some religious people who don’t listen to music due to their beliefs! Lol
@@eswarjuri Muslims? True, but majority opinion are musical instruments in itself are forbidden not vocals I believe.
@@woopazipper The Arabic Oud is played throughout the Islamic world. It also has many derivatives played in the Islamic world. As well, it spread through Asia and Europe as the Lute and has become the forefather of most stringed instruments in the world today. In Spain it became the Vihuela, which led to the Classical and Flamenco guitar. Islam can take credit for spreading stringed instruments around the entire world, but ironically, now Islam forbids music? It's more likely that fanatic fundamentalists such as the Taliban forbid music, but not the entire Islamic world.
@@BobOortArab ≠ Islam
We don't take Islam through arab culture, we take Islam from the quran and sunnah of our prophet Muhammad ﷺ, which forbids music. Arabs used to bury female children too, until islam came and put an end to many such practices. I hope you have the decency to at least respect someone's religious beliefs without outright rejecting and making stuff on your own
@@BobOortSahih al-Bukhari 5590
Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari:
that he heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of *musical instruments*, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection
In this noisy age, we must start to appreciate silence. Great video man!
Absolutely! Thank you so much!
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ماحرم ديننا أمر إلا وفيه أذى لنا اللهم يامقلب القلوب ثبت قلوبنا على دينك
لما شفت الفيديو قلت سبحان الله
يبلغ الأمر ذروته بس الا ما يرجع كل شي للأصل
أنا مؤمنه أنه نهج الإسلام رح ينتشر أكثر وأكثر بعد ما الناس هاي تكتشف فعلا أنه اسلوب حياه متكامل
I don't believe so, my apologies but I don't agree with Islam at all.
ومن قال أن الموسيقى حرامٌ أصلاً؟
@@SayedLighto يبدو انك لاتعرف عن دينك شيء
@@polarfr_st its ok, you are free
i agree sometimes. for me music just makes my creativity grow more. but sometimes i get tired of just listening to it, and just need silence.
both absolutely needed :) life's kinda dull without music, but also must not forget to enjoy our silence and boredome
There’s actually a study that music limits our creativity 😅
Absolutely agreed. Silence is such a pleasant experience sometimes amidst a world of noise.
I'm kinda on the same boat my brain doesn't want to just relax so I'm going overtime crazy thoughts so sometimes I end up bored and that makes me sad and that ruins shit so I use music to help me not go crazy.
thats true and im not saying that because i hate music ok? i also used to love it so much but i stopped lying on myself@@vanilla1353
As a songwriter, for me , a moment of silence is really precious because it gives me a lot of my own ideas
As a songwriter, I can become so inundated and obsessed with a project that I find sometimes I need to step away from any and all music for a few days just to clear and reset my brain so I can refresh my perspective. I can only make it a few days though, I love music way too much to go any longer than that
@@PhysicalEntity How to uh guys publish those lyrics well i do write songs from the age of 13 (may be) 😊
@@Joey.Tribbiani-xc2wtsorry im not sure what that means
@@sileudies no worries i did mean to say @physicalEntity
@@Joey.Tribbiani-xc2wt Stay passionate about creating something cool and stay hungry to learn all you can. Be influenced by other artists while inventing your own style. Always be working or experimenting with a project. Never give up no matter how much you fail
I started around your age and am only just beginning to taste success now at 35. Good luck
I left music cuz my religion (Islam) prohibited it, and after that i realized how beautiful life with all the noises in it❤
May Allah reward you for that
Ur religion is crap
in islam its taught to us that music can be harmful and bad for the brain i honestly dont rmmbr why but probably bc of the negative words that are in most songs or rather because the vibrations from some instruments are harmful for the brain function, i listen to heavy metal and such an addict to rock, i quit listening to music for 2 weeks approximately and ive noticed actually how creative and mindful i honestly started focusing very well in studying and some more creative ideas just popped up in my head and so on i knew this was probably the impact of quitting music for quite some time although i still listen to some chill songs every now and then cause it just makes me feel good and makes me move my body (ps when my depressing thoughts occur i just listen to some calm quran)
Listening to music also distances you from the remembrance of God and it’s true. I would constantly have lyrics in my head before but that’s pushing me away from the purpose of existence which is to worship God. Now instead I have clearer and more creative thoughts and am in general more grateful about simply existing. I’ve picked up a new hobby which is to listen to Quran and ponder over its translations on TH-cam. 100% wouldn’t be able to experience this if I was still listening to music
Distance you from remembering the god (allah) is not 100% true
It depend on the use
I heard music for years and I didn't forget allah
That's because I'm not using it alot
And I don't hear songs that can have bad behaviors
I'm still grateful to allah
But what I'm trying to say
You can't blame a thing that it's your fault with
Just like blaming burger that made you fatter
Insha allah you understand brother
Look the quran is more beautiful
But that doesn't mean we have to ban music
The music have purposes either (depend on use).
It's not because music makes you hate quran,
You are just addicted with it
Just like video games don't make you pray in time
And in the last blaming the video games.
Again: I'm not saying this because I want you to get alot with music
It's ok it's your choice to not hearing music
But I'm saying this because it bothers me that you are blaming a thing that you didn't use it right and the others believe it without notice
And have a nice day brother
@@zarellangamer6575 by distancing you from the remembrance of Allah I mean instead of doing istighfar you might start saying lyrics.
Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah:
“Never do the love of song and the love of Qur'an come together in a person’s heart except that one expels the other.”
I do understand where you are coming from though. May Allah guide us all
Yeah that's the good part
I did istigfar alot
And yeah when ibn qayyim said that
It just felt like he said "never do love of showering and love of drinking water"
Because ibn qayyim don't know anything about the benefits of hearing music/songs.
sadly some elders "شيوخ" is being extermist and blaming the thing instantly instead of know what is it,
There was an elder blaming that PUBG is haram
His reason of making it haram was "because it makes you play in college" (yes he said something like that).
The music/song is different and quran is different either
It's just the addiction that made you not reading quran
Like video games
when you are addicted with
You won't pray in time
And ameen brother (I'm muslim either)
But not being extremist
@@Hadithoftheday247
"Allahumma ij’al al-Qurana rabee'a quloobinaa..
"O Allah, make the Quran the spring of our hearts."
& Allah knows best
I often drive in silence because I just need the quiet. I enjoy sitting in my house without anything in the background- I feel this to my core! ❤
That's amazing! 🙌
Same!!!
I used to love that. Tinnitus sucks.
@@dudedude6892I’m so sorry, that sounds so overwhelming to have to deal with every day. Is it a constant ringing, or does it come and go?
@@user-qv3zt8xo7e I’ve got permanent tinnitus, meaning that it’s always there. Although, I think that this could be a misunderstanding about it, it varies a lot. For example, when I woke up yesterday it was really loud, a lot more than usual. Today, however, it was pretty normal. Another thing about that I don’t think people understand, is that sometimes (pretty randomly), another, higher, louder pitch is added for a few minutes.
The best thing about it is that you don’t really have to focus on tuning it out, as if I’m hearing a noise that’s louder than my tinnitus, then I have to focus to notice it. However, in those quiet moments, like trying to sleep or those same quiet drives, it’s pretty noticeable. Protect your ears!
im starting to notice life without music and its actually very peaceful. i like listening to the shuffling of my movements and the pattern of my breathing. music is a huge part of my life though and i love it so much.
life really is so peaceful without music! like when you stop to just listen to the ambience of it all. taking slow breaths and observing everything. so much beauty in it all. love that you can relate to this. music is a huge part of my life too
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Lot of people underestimate the effect of silence , but only few people understand how necessary it is to cut out the noise from a world full of distraction and sink into the thoughts in mind , face it for real and start gaining true momentum towards their goals
I am so with you on this!
I actually don't remember when I last watched a TH-cam video without music. Just the melody of your voice. Awesome message. Keep it up. :]
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I didn't notice that you had 481 subscribers. I was dumbfounded by the cinematography and the writing, it's awesome! Also, what a great camera you have! And yes, this has definitely left something on me. I need to appreciate the serenity and (sometimes) quietness of life without technology bothering us. Awesome video!
Thank you friend 💛 That was such a lovely comment to read
One month later and he's almost at 3k. 👏
I didn't notice either
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😅 I just read the title and started watching the video without listening to anything he was saying. The video felt cinematic to me. Indeed I say yes to music only during my work hours and nowhere else. Especially consuming media while eating is a big NO I suggest others.
Also, when you stop listening to music all the time, when you take an hour to listen to an album you love it sounds even better than you remembered.
so true!!
Hi there! Jesus Christ loves you. He is the only way to heaven. May God bless you! 😊
@@Jesus_Christ_loves_you_alotnuh uh
@@Sumedhjain.I imagine the statue in your profile pic saying that 😂
so true!
الانسان يميل بفطرته الى ما هو اصلح
والاسلام بيرشدك الى الفطره ما احلى الاسلام ❤😴
I'm trying to get rid of music cause it's forbidden in Islam. I guess I realized why it is
This video helped me more, thank you
same! I hope we can all succeed In Shaa Allah^^
Yet mosques find it convenient to blast gibberish through loudspeakers early morning. Religious folk are as such blind lost sheep.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot at the moment. As someone who depends on music but also gets quite overstimulated by sound I’ve been finding the balancing shifting to overwhelming a lot more. Part of me is scared to sit in silence or even create in silence
There's definitely a lot of discomfort. But something interesting happens if you show up and just wait for the idea to strike
It's worth it. Over time you will get used to it. May God bless you!
SAME HERE! You described exactly what i’ve been feeling and thinking lately
As someone who likes to listen full albums while being quiet.and trying to sing along,i can't live without music but i can't focus while listening to it during some tasks it's overwhelming and exhausting,i love being in silence too while i am reading so i can feel the words filling the gap between the pages ,i think we all should appreciate the little things in life bc they happen without background music ,we also should appreciate music as a whole and not just as a background sound
the little things in life do happen without background music, very well said!
There should never be a background. Listen to music fully, studying or read in silence fully and do everything else fully.
@@LeviKerrison i hate to do homework or daily things while listening to music it's so exhaustive, when i am listening to music i take it seriously
@@GingerSadClaps69 100%. Same with food, meditation, gym, study, work, play and all things focus/intent related. Cant cherish the blessing of food while watching tv, can’t appreciate the blessing of your mind when studying with music and so many more tool related activities.
Ginger I’m with you. Studying is near impossible with music on. But life is near impossible with music off.
Be glad you don’t have tinnitus and listening to your bodies broken music. I can never have silence ever again.
You are talking about extreme amounts of music listening. I never understood people who are nonstop on the headphones, while walking, biking, picnic in nature and so on. For me that was always too destructing, I always enjoyed more the surrounding, nature, people, city at those moments.
That's beautiful! I wouldn't say I listen to extreme amounts of music, like compared to musicians it's definitely less, but i also listen more than the regular person. It just sets the mood very well for whatever i'm doing. But I also realise that sometimes I definitely listen to too much of it. I try to fill in every gap with some sort of an energy. I made this video to reflect that idea and it's actually really cool to see that a lot of people enjoy the mundane sounds of every life, the nature, environments, city and everything else
Agreed it feels like neglecting nature, we listen to music for a certain mood or to imagine a certain thing, utter nature all around us and the sounds of nature or artificial machinery can also give those other worldly feelings.
Youre a lot safer when youre not listening to music. Sound is extremely important to situational awareness.
I used to blast music in the car. Like BLAST BLAST. Being a young adult now, i realize, that it decreases my awareness when driving for example. I still listen to music while driving, but not as loud as I used to. What's your experience related to what you're saying?
I'm a professional musician and I have trained myself to turn off the music (or de-focus) the musical thoughts that constantly create themselves in my mind. It may sound counter-productive, but it is important to have silence in the mind as well as external devices.
the amount of shots in here are impressive, and they're all taken within a small circle of our home. Loved the way you documented the things and places that you see on a daily basis.
Also, great message and I absolutely agree, you gotta quiet your environment to listen to your mind.
Great video as well Chris :)
thank you Karam! i definitely put a lot of thought into having multiple angles and shots of the same location. nice to see someone notice and appreciate it :)
I somewhat agree with you...but to be honest, when I feel sad or lonely...and then I listen to music that reminds me of my childhood...or music whose words accurately describe my feelings...I feel a lot better! . Music creates memories for us. And reminds us of people. It expresses feelings and emotions more than anything else. I agree with you that I should not wear headphones all the time. But when walking or exercising. If you put on headphones, you will feel more motivated. In the end, everyone does the things that make them feel comfortable,
I heard someone say you when you wake up don’t listen to any music. Listen to like a motivational podcast, audio book for a little and have it silence untold it’s like 1pm. Bc your mind is fragile early in the morning. I tried it and honestly man I felt good. Bc I’m undisciplined I fell back into the cycle of bad habits but imma do it tm when I wake up
It's actually so true, I absolutely hate the uncomfortable thoughts I have when I don't have music on, it's scary to me at times.
Which is why it is even more important for me to get out of this shell I built around myself with a constant source of media and just sit or walk alone for a while.
Thank you for this lovely video!
It plays with your emotion it's the opposit of stoicism
I did the same thing until this year, I struggled with listening to music, mostly because I had unprocessed emotions, which triggered uncomfortable feelings about the past when I listened to music. This year, I listened to a little more music, reframed, still reframing… and I think it’s working, I mostly listen to jazz or music in languages I don’t understand so that I am only focused on the beats. TMI, but thought I should share 😊
Wow. That is suuuuper interesting, thank you so much for sharing a part of your story. I never thought someone can have it the other way around, but I love learning from others and their experiences. It's definitely interesting to hear, thank you once more for sharing 😊
a bit..similar to my story 💚
i'm surprised this doesn't have more views. i deeply resonate with this video because i recently lost my only earphones and i currently can''t afford new ones... so i've been commuting in silence for the past couple of weeks. i realised how i'm so much more present and in tune with myself since i've stopped listening to music all the time. we need to learn to be with ourselves again.
Facts! May God bless you!
Thank you @The Human Chris for this video. It felt oddly calm to watch and listen to a video on TH-cam with no bgm. I just realised what I have been trying to realise all this time. You now have one more person who has subscribed to you, and is patiently looking forward to new things from you.
i don’t think i can live without having music in my life
absolutely, me neither
music has a profound effect on us. It is always better not to get addicted to anything, music wasn't easy or available back in the day for listening always but since the invention of headphones we got 24 hrs music playing out in our ears all the time, I feel silence is more beautiful than everything, the time spot when we can actually connect and get more in spiritual with life even if it's 5 mins a day.
so true! music really wasn't as available and easily accessible back then, as it is now. and i find it really beautiful that you think silence is better than everything. i think it's important that more of us, which are addicted to music (in the best way possible), to embrace silence more and more
Silence is really beautiful. Subtle things like door opening, birds chirping, kettle boiling, your own breath, it's all there for a reason. We just aren't made to be listening to or watching things 24/7. Our brain needs to rest and think about life.
Also, Jesus Christ loves you. He is the only way to heaven. May God bless you! 😊
you need more subscribers bro. Production level is unbeatable @@thehumanchris
What a piece of art! So calming to watch and hear. Keep it up!
Homieee 💛 I feel like it could be a series, as it's very peaceful but also informative. Thank you :)
I love this man... getting to know yourself is overlooked and you've reminded all of us to spend time seemingly 'bored'
Absolutely brother!
The way you've worded, and filmed this is exceptionally beautiful . I realized this a few months ago, I sometimes feel as if songs are burdening me with emotions which i never had and those emotions distract me from my own thoughts. Yea sometimes I still listen to music, play music but I don't use it to fill the gaps that boredom causes. Instead i like to be left alone without any external input and after sometime I get overwhelmed with my own thoughts. I'm going to be 16 and I'm happy that I've realized this much earlier than people do :D
For real , I was thinking about the same thing for quite a while not because of music but social media it was irritating me, making my schedule look busy then I realised ,
I wasn't giving myself enough time.doing nothing for a while just relaxing, It helps me make things clear. Your video really did a great job at explaining that.
doing nothing and slowing down, consuming less media definitely really helps with making the mind clear. i'm happy you enjoyed this 🫶
i love the way you direct your videos and have visually appealing footage combined with your engaging script and calming, gentle voice. I can definitely tell you put much thought into your videos.
Awe John that is so nice of you. Absolutely. A lot of thought go into these and there's so much i have to push around to make them, but they are very fulfilling and i love the artform itself. Your comment meant a lot, thank you for seeing me 💛
Beautiful video! I totally agree, I love sitting alone with my thoughts just looking out the window and I think it's sad that we're losing that in the modern world. It's important to take in and appreciate the "dull" moments without trying to constantly drown them out. Keep up the great work!!
As a musician, I had to watch this and I actually agree with your view.
In my case, I make so much music that I started listening less and less to other's music - simply to enjoy the silence every now and then.
I don't listen to music on the bus or in the gym and some people say that's crazy. I find it relaxing.
Silence is just another form of sound/music if you will.
Well everyone is different I don’t listen music all day I only listen when I want vibe or feel uplifted but that me not you so this topic is mainly about individualism not how you should listen to music
How the hell do you only have 380 subs? This is such a well shot, insightful video!
haha that's so nice of you, happy you found it!
I had this thought before, i listen music for everything that i do, sometimes the volume isnt up enough for me, even if it damages my ears, when i exercise, cook, do homework, even when trying to sleep, it gives me a boost of energy that when is finished i try it again, almost like im dependent to it to do almost anything. During the mornings i have this feeling of doing things, but when i start listening music and these emotions come up and brings me joy for like 20 or 30 minutes, and then i stop, its like it consumed most of it and leaves me with none.
Y'know? I listened to the lessons throughout the video along with the audio, I can't help with the visuals go so well with your points and it's so immersive. I'm currently searching for new channels that can inspire me to create moments of time and life like yours and staying away from music was a step for me that's gotten me closer to diving into my creative element. I agree that I at times, must open space for silence and boredom. (Like right now currently typing and hearing nothing but the tapping of my keyboard). I appreciate you, your perspective and transparency, this is the form of videos I've been searching for a while.
Thank you so much for this wonderful video. It really opened my eyes, made me think what am I doing with my life, is this what I wanted to achieve is this what I dreamt about. Now I feel like I can live again with a brand new story and a brand new journey which will make me fall in love with myself and everything around me again.
I'm not going to stop listening to music completely, especially since I'm a musician, but I am going to find ways of listening to silence more. Thank you for this insightful video.
Same! I love music too much haha happy you liked it 🫶
I heard someone say don’t listen to music until like 1pm and ngl it was a game changer
I love the cinematography! The image is crisp and the colors are on point! Almost surreal, but so very real! I liked it
That's such a nice compliment, thank you!! It's something i've been working on for a long time, especially the color grading 🫶
From Ethiopia, This is the first time I saw your video. Your story telling is awesome! After giving myself several challenges, I now enjoy taking long walks alone or meeting friends empty handed and it feel so right! People should definitely try it
I love the style of your video.
Just normal everyday scenes, impressions and feelings, no background music or fast cuts.
And in a quality, that it seems like I just lived that moment as well
Yes!! That's exactly what it is. I'm happy you were able to spot it and also very happy you enjoyed the simplicity of it :)
Islam makes so much sense
Fr they call us weird and extreme for saying music Haram
No absolutely not 🚫
@@lievenz7167 You wish
@@lievenz7167 What doesn't make sense bro?
I wanna help... :)
@@wekonoschosen Music is haram. Fullstop.
When Allah mentions that something is Haram, then we stick to what he says, otherwise, we will go to Hell, simple.
We say in this day and age - 'everything is good in moderation,' when science has proven that, for example, Alcohol is toxic, and bad for the body. Can lead to many issues, including brain damage.
The only reason you say Islam sucks, is because everything in this day and age is corrupt. Because there is so much corruption, and so much Haram, it looks like Islam sucks, when in reality, Islam saves us from comitting so many sins, and getting into so much trouble with them (eg, Adultery, Drugs/Alcohol, etc).
Islam saves us, despite it seeming like a religion that 'sucks'.
Dude is so underrated, the video, the cinematography and everything is just so amazing, i wish you grow!
it means t he world that you think this highly of what I make, thank you so so much!! 🥺💛
You’re absolutely right, we all need silence in moments we feel like only music or other form of media can keep us entertained, or help us to distract ourselves from thinking too much
Great video!
I love that you left the ambient noise in the clips. It added to the cinematic-ness as well as the realness.
What an insightful video and script too! Images super delightful, I feel inspired to go out and film myself on the streets too. But I am still shy/afraid that someone will just take my camera from me hahah!
The message, still your mind to find yourself! I resonate 100% and I am glad we are reflections to each other for these human experiences!
You are so appreciated Chris! Lots of love
awee thank you Gigi 💛 As someone who constantly loves learning and being entertained, shutting all of that off, unless in nature, feels weird. But i've been able to think more clearly in days where i didnt occupy my mind with anything externally.
ALSO! You should definitely go outside and film some stuff. I've also had to push myself out of my comfort zone to do it, but its always very gratifying and pushes your creativity :)
I love music, I always believe that it is what gives my life meaning, especially when i discover new albums all over the world thanks to the help of youtube algorithm, I used to try to fill every menial gap with a song playing in the background, music is a wonderful thing that always lifts me up, I was initially quite taken aback by the video title wondering why someone would stop enjoying such a great medium, after watching your video, I have to agree, silence is a pretty important thing to have especially in the busy modern world, in silence is when my brain is the most active, I get to introspect and organize my own thoughts, I would still listen to music cause its such an important part of my life, but I would not force myself to listen to it 24/7 and leave some time for silence through the day.
I came back to this video months after first watching it to posit something.
A problem I and many other Gen Z members have had is losing our love for reading. I personally would regularly read nearly a thousand pages of something per week in middle school. I was almost always reading something new. The process of starting and finishing a lengthy fantasy novel would fill me with an enriching wave of catharsis the moment I flipped the final page.
As I got older and started gaining access to shinier forms of entertainment like smartphones, Computers, and game consoles, books started to lose their alure. As I grew to an age when I could spend all my time with screens and music and noise, I forgot books entirely and chose to just do that. For over five years I nearly constantly had some type of noise in the background be it music or a show I've seen a dozen times. I would decide which adult swim cartoon I was gonna put on before I went to bed because I even grew to need it in my sleep.
I've somewhat recently been getting back into reading again, this year I've been warming up by reading something I know and love and reading something new in an alternating patten. But for the first few books while I did it I would have Futurama or Family Guy or something playing in the same room. It wouldn't really be much of a distraction, it only very occasionally pulled my attention away from my book. The majority of the attention was still on the book. But there was still something missing, something that I came to miss from the reading experience I remembered as a child.
I went to revisit Eragon after reading The Alchemist for the first time. I must have read it half a dozen times in my life, the rest of the series maybe three times. I thought back to how much it influenced 12 year old me, thought about how awesome it felt to first read it when it was the newest, freshest, SHINIEST thing in my life. The writing has been critiqued by many and for decent reason, it's somewhat simple and easy to read and takes common tropes from many existing series. But I think it's great, even if it's technically considered middle school reading level despite the author trying his best to throw in overly big and lesser known words where they don't fit.
I thought about WHY it had been so special to me again, and realized it was because at one time it was all I had. I had been struggling to lose myself in a book's world more so than ever simply because all the other things around me were constantly pulling me out.
One weekend I hit the power button on my TV and sat down to read in silence. Not since I was forced to as a kid had I ever just read a book in complete silence. For the first time in years I could simply just flow along without it feeling forced. What had grown to become a chore had once again become something fresh and shiny again. I found myself looking forward to when I'll have another few minutes to read Eragon. And when I finished, instead of feeling relieved it was over I wanted to pick up another book. I felt an Intense wave of nostalgia for when I wasn't being bombarded by short term stimulation 24/7.
I would compare it to eating a nice meal when you're actually hungry versus after you've been snacking all day. It won't be as enriching of an experience to your mind, it will only serve as extra bloat on the information in your brain.
My appetite for mental stimulation has been stoked again, for once in a long time I'm actually hungry for good media off all kinds.
wow this is actually something i needed to hear, because i’ve always felt that i’m starting to listen to music as an escape and distraction!
lovely point, i always felt that. we sometimes escape our emotions or alter them with contrasting music at times
totally! i feel like music really helps sometimes, but also can be an escapism at other
Music addiction is a real thing because it's like a drug, we use it to escape the pressures of our realities instead of facing them. I've realized that music was a huge part in my mental health, not in helping it but making it worse when I thought it was helping because it was serving as an escape for me so now I cut off all that music and just listen to things that bring me peace and a realistic happiness. Been listening to a lot of songs about God lately. There's this song I really like because it's like the artist is having a real talk with God in a sad moment and there's so much hope in it that it actually uplifts me. It's called Where I'm Gonna Be by Mia Rio. She's not a big artist yet but totally worth it.
Man i've been watching this video again and over again for the last week , i relate to it , and also the scenes used in the video are so relaxing to watch , keep up
I love the way you captured the cityscape in this video! You perceived a very important message, however I just couldn't help but gasp at the views of your surroundings, this made me feel so nostalgic and wholesome, looks so european, reminded me to appreciate my home more
Thank you!! Cinema and cinematography is one of my favorite things and its nice to see it being received so well by you 💛 I'm happy you also enjoyed the message and what i had to say. Video was shot in Berlin, where I'm based. Where is your home?
MAN WHAT THE HELL! ONLY 5K SUBS?
The love and passion you put in your video is equivalent to a 1M sub channel. Congratulations.
In the past month i was realising that music was a "toxic" treat to me because I was always lasting to it, even just for wash the dishes which takes only 10 minutes or to just wake up. I'm gonna try to put a stop with this thing. And this video helped me to decided to do it at least. So thank you!. Have a great day!
Ahhhh dude im reading this and it's so heartwarming, really, thank you. It makes me so happy that the video feels that way to you. I've also noticed that sometimes I just can't even hear my own thoughts cuz im listening to music all the time. Like with everything, it's all about tthe balance. Have a great day too!
this is so beautiful, i love the calm and thoughtfulness of it :)
I appreciate you seeing it this way 🥺
This video really reminded me of what I was going through a year or two ago, my worst fear was not just my self but my own thoughts. It’s crazy to see how far I’ve come knowing that not even to long ago I couldn’t stand being alone with myself, or my thoughts and now although I have those days every now and then, I can actually take a minute to breathe and clean in complete silence. I’ve been trying to distract myself from the real world lately and I realize I wasn’t able to make art and enjoy it as much when there was something in the background it truly made me lose the feeling of a connection to my art and I lost my interest in art for quite a bit.
anyways what I’m trying to say is thank you for making this video I got to reflect a lot in just a few minutes
Absolutely stunning video. Not just the superb cinematography, but the message just fits so well. This is something I also started doing pretty recently and seeing someone else having the same thought, but articulated so well is pretty cool.
Hope you are doing well.
Ah thats so nice of you! I also love the fact that this is something you've been thinking about recently and the video found you at the perfect time 🫶
Been struggling with music addiction for the last 25 years, and don't think I'll ever have the answers. It's great to see people making videos about it nowadays; it's become a known issue. What a joy to have discovered your channel today; please keep making these beautiful, inspiring videos.
I read your name after your comment, it made me giggle. I would suggest you to quit it slowly rather than all at once, make a tasks list (anything like watching a chunk of tutorial, doing certain number of pushups, buying groceries, washing your socks etc..) and start rewarding yourself with a song after completing these small tasks. Always keep the tasks that you despise the most at the top priority. Use your addiction for your benefit.
And remember, always be true to yourself only. If you lie to yourself a lot and don't fulfill the promises that you make to yourself than you'd always find yourself running away from reality in the form of addiction. It's okay to fall short sometimes, just apologize to yourself and move on.
Oh, praise be to God.. In my Islamic religion, God tells us and commands us not to listen to music because He is our Creator, so He knows that music is harmful to the heart and gives a beautiful feeling temporarily, then the effect of drugs disappears, and this will cause real fatigue... Oh, thank God for the blessing of Islam.
God commands us to listen to the Qur’an and understand it. It calms the human soul and reassures the heart. It is truly special. I recommend this clip to you. th-cam.com/video/zbse_7rMJnk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=TDK4YbeDT-7nWnWY
Here is a great test to see if you have a problem with media. When you sit down for your next dinner, just sit and eat. No reading, t.v., pad, phone…….nothing. Just you, in your kitchen, eating. If you’re uncomfortable, you might not know how to be with yourself.
I love that. Everyone should give this a try and see how it makes them feel
Some time before I saw this video, I noticed the same. I felt like I just really need and want to think, and the music would only be a distraction. And when I don’t listen to something, I can hear my thoughts much better
I decided to stop listening to music 2 weeks ago. Now I listen to it only during my workouts. It is like it gets me away from reality, which I wanna stay in. Staying with my thoughts makes me able to understand myself much better. When I need to isolate myself from reality(crowded train, noisy classroom etc..) I just cover it with some white noise, which makes me able to think, while not being distracted by the outside noise.
This video was art. I enjoyed every second of it. Thank you for the time and effort you put into this. I subbed and wish you all the best.
i'm touched by your words and appreciate you so much for saying all of that. thank you friend 💛 see you around! :)
Very awesome my friend.
Yeah.. music can have a profound impact on us, just because it affects many MANY parts of our brain. But it also gives us dopamine. Sometimes, deliberately tuning out from them is helpful to see what we already have in front of us. Being present.
Well edited. Very peaceful and calming. ❤
Thank you Winny and very well said with the dopamine 💛
Nature sounds outdoors is enough. I have written some great work in complete science. If you need music to stimulate your mind then there is a problem.
Music is suppose to be an option not a priority.
What a beautiful neighborhood you have got there I must say!
Actually agree with all that said! Also another great thing is to either not take phone with you, or disable notifications/put it somewhere, where it would not be comfortable to take out (like a bag). It also helps to not get distracted and think for a while!
Thanks for the video!
Aside from being a source of entertainment, one of the major things that drove me to reduce my music listening time or change the kind of music i listen to was the fact that media influences us. In all its subtleties, its beauty, its impressions, and the companionship it renders, there lay its impressions that mostly go unnoticed. They stay and even modulate how our thought process works, or what we think about at all. All that for subsiding loneliness, it rather heightens a lot of other emotions unnecessarily at times.
As for me, who believes in greater control on what I'm doing and thinking about so as to enhance my productivity, my thoughts play a major role. I'd rather be cerebral mostly than being swept by emotions. What we consume does have lasting effects, not only affecting our mood but also us as a person, dictating my way in life, which comes off as manipulative to me. Not all are self-aware to understand why media is just not ideal for excessive consumption, so I'm glad that folks like you bring content like this forward.
It does make a difference, I just hope people listen to themselves and what's good for them more than relying on their habits driven by the masses.
I 100% agree with this video and this found me at the perfect time :) Thank you for sharing!!!
Ahh that's amazing! I'm happy it resonated 💛
your art has build up to be one of my favourites thank you so much for sharing to the world this type of wonderful
i really like the philosophy you brung in this video. for me, personally, to stop listening to music is a really drastic change, but i really enjoy the idea of letting thoughts come and just wonder around with nothing to entertain yourself. that might be the main point: let your mind think sometimes, instead of constantly run away from boredom :)
Thank you! Yeah not listening to music is a really drastic change for me too. You summed it pretty well in the last sentence, i think it's what i'm trying to communicate through this video too
A while ago I noticed that music, or, rather, a feel for music is a finite resourse. And if I want to enjoy my set longer, I`d better "save it for later".
really like that :)
i see a big difference between social media and music. I see social media as dopamine hits, constant bombardement of information. But music is like listening to art. A beautiful song can make me wonder about life, just like all genres of paintings can.
I feel the exact same way.
Music will go on forever, meaningful music I mean. It will outlive all of us. I look for beautiful melodies in music too, but lyrics.. this is the deal breaker.
@@Ad-Ac to me that heavily depends on the genre: If you're listening to love songs then lyrics are very important. Listening to rap, lyrics is the most important: the sometimes beautiful rhymescemes outmatch any other genre.
@@mythyx8381 I am very picky when it comes to rap and I don't listen to it normally. Not my style. Even when I so, it better be some American native gangsta black rap. Almost everything else in that genre is irrelevant.
I loved this video
Awee that's so nice! I'm so thankful that what I make can do that 🫶
I sincerely appreciate that you made this video, thank you.
I'd like to make a comparison to something like a hiking vacation, I've found that (with some friends) being away from electricity for a few days can be really refreshing.
Gyat. A video without music really refreshing. That mic though so crisp 🗿
Hehehe thank you :3
Brilliant yet simple. A man who professes something and does it. Practicing what he preaches.
The dearth of music in the background is splendid. It’s quite nice to just hear what is there, and not what might add to the mood.
Silence is often true, good, and beautiful
Ah tthis comment was amazing, you worded things so well, thank you!!
this is just part of my routine since i was a kid, my city didn't had too much entertraiment and internet was expansive. So i walk and think, this always conforted me and is magical when you just make wrongs turns and can see new things or details who weren't there before. Never understand how people could do things while hearing other things, i tried doing it and my head hurts literally and make me go dizzy.
This video resonated with me, even I that didn't have this problem.
this. the major difference I have found after quitting major social media apps is - listening to less music. as someone who needs a saviour playlist for every crisis in their life and those specifically curated monthly playlists, it honestly helped me enjoy & appreciate music much more. feels really nice to have my thoughts wander in my mind because it felt really foreign before and scary as much as I was mostly very flighty. now whenever I am bombarded with any content and just too much information, especially those short form dopamine-hitting content, my mind becomes aware of it and I just skip them and continue with my day.
I am a muslim but also a human who makes mistake obviously since i was 14 i started listening to songs, memorize lyrics, sing it out loud i still sing but i dont really listen to music to be really honest i thought it would be impossible for me to stop listening to music but as i skipped the reels and stopped watching videos with high music it was so peaceful it is so peaceful though sometimes i do find myself swaying and light dancing whenever i listen music someone else put on but i absolutely dont love high music now
I stopped constantly listening to musics around 3 years ago.
now i feel better.
actually when i listen to music, i feel more sadness, angry, emptiness inside.
the beautiful silence is a gift in this crowdy world.
Wow that's amazing! I'm happy it works for you. I think there's music that also delivers on a lot of beautiful feelings (all feelings are beautiful, but you know what I mean) but if you've learned to enjoy the silence, then thats also great!
I realised this last week, and this video arrived on my page at a perfect time. I realised that when I stopped playing music and fidgeting with what song to play next, I instantly had a clear mind - it felt freeing. I went an entire day with no music, and it felt good, I managed to get into my focus mode faster, and I was no longer easily distracted... I never realised even something like music could hold us back nowadays... I listen to music only when I'm free with time and I've been enjoying it like this ever since my realisation. Thank you for this video! ❤️
Oh, praise be to God.. In my Islamic religion, God tells us and commands us not to listen to music because He is our Creator, so He knows that music is harmful to the heart and gives a beautiful feeling temporarily, then the effect of drugs disappears, and this will cause real fatigue... Oh, thank God for the blessing of Islam.
God commands us to listen to the Qur’an and understand it. It calms the human soul and reassures the heart. It is truly special. I recommend this clip to you. th-cam.com/video/zbse_7rMJnk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=TDK4YbeDT-7nWnWY
Beautiful video! I totally agree with this concept. I biked to the city center yesterday without any music and appreciated much more my surroundings and how pretty my city (Amsterdam) is. Thanks!
Hey Dave! I love Amsterdam. I was just there 2 weeks ago, but I often go back because of how much I love it there. I'm happy you got something out of this video, sending hugs from Montreal 🇨🇦
music is art and inspires me
absolutely! couldn't live without it 🙌
In Islam, listening to music is haram "not allowed", I've been always see a negative effect on us as humans. I just know that Allah who create us knows very well what is good for us as a human or on the whole society.
Music that will cause unnecessary sadness and tear the soul apart is haram. Music that instills life energy and encourages beauty is halal.
No both of them are haram and you can search about this and there where a hadith talking about this. In my opinion, energy and positive music as you said it just makes us happy for moments and then you back to reality and back to everything. you can get this by listening or reading a quran, it makes everything peaceful and makes sense. or doing sports. so you'll start to feel the real life and find stuff that really makes you happy and not haram or damage your mental health by the time. anyways, my opinion is not important when it comes to halal or haram we just try as we can to follow Allah’s commands and avoiding His prohibitions and ask him to help us doing this.
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@brawlerpro5829 Music that addicts you is haram(especially digital and instrumental music) music that doesn't lead you to addiction is halal.
@brawlerpro5829 If you insist on doing something haram, do it yourself without lying to others and claiming it is OK to do it. The prophet peace be upon him said in an authentic hadith "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful."
[Sahih Al-Bukhari].
@@mrmuhammad11 Same goes to you brother.
No matter we'd like to think that it is us who control our time, i think with a little self-observation we can notice that we're just getting bombarded by so many things that we can't even find time to process. For me letting silence take over the little gaps i have in my life such as morning walks, showering etc. give me the feeling of control in my own life and this makes me feel one step closer to realizing myself.
Great content, great message and great editing. Loved it!
I’m 100% sure that somethung or someone guided me to this video. I’ve been questioning whether it’s bad that I listen to music 24/7 or watching childhood movies/shows. After watching this video, I realized that I’m doing those things 24/7 because I don’t want to think about my problems/feel bored.
Thank you so much for this video! Subscribed ☺💕
Music is haram (forbidden) in Islam subhanAllah because it harden the heart from the remembrance of Allah. Al hamdulilah
It's not making your heart harder
Or making you forget allah (depend on use)
It's the addiction (it mean it was your fault for leading this addiction to yourself)
And sadly they distort the "because it harden your heart"
They don't know the purposes of the music
They don't know something called "difference"
And there is no obvious clue that music/songs is forbidden
The "لهو الحديث" wasn't talking about the singing
It was talking about it in general
If it talked about it
It could make an obvious clue about it,
And the part of hadith were messanger of god (رسول الله ﷺ) said "يستحلون الخمر والحر والحرير والمعازف"
They understanded it wrong
It mean't a place like disco
Not in general
If he actually meaned it in general
The medical sterilizer is haram (forbidden)
Because it contain alchoholic resources
And perfume is haram either
Because it contains vintage
So brother
Please don't complain something you are not sure with
Because distortion the islam is 100% haram
Edit: another point
When you play video game and addicted to it and then forgot to pray in time
Will you blame the video game
Or yourself ?
Please think twice brother
And have a nice day brother
As a Muslim, Islam forbids listening to songs that contain music and contain bad lyrics because they only distract the heart. They control our feelings freely. If you listen to a sad song, you suddenly start thinking about all the bad events that happened to you in your life. Then you listen to an enthusiastic song and feel that you are full of energy and you will accomplish everything you have. Now, then you listen to meaningless songs that only contain insults or bad scenes, and I don’t know why they listen to them. Actually, everything that Islam forbids is harmful. It is forbidden for us to eat pork. There are many studies that have proven that it is actually bad. How can I eat the meat of an animal that feeds on waste, and also Alcohol is forbidden. It only kills the mind. How many accidents or misfortunes happen just because a person was not conscious. Islam also forbids suicide. It also forbids adultery and touching the opposite sex or mingling with them. Tattooing is also forbidden. Why would I change the way my Lord created me when He created me already beautiful? And why would I distort my beautiful body? I feel... Truly proud and grateful to be a Muslim. I know that I was created to worship God and build this earth and make it better, not just for the sake of fooling around and harming myself and others.
I relate a lot with this idea. I'm constantly surrounded by music even when it's not me who's playing it. So, any second there is pure natural silence, I feel relaxed. I bring this up among my peers and since they are very foreign to this, I often come off as weird. But it's glad to see a lot of us resonate with it. And the cinematography and writing on this is absolutely commendable. Loved this video.
Oh, praise be to God.. In my Islamic religion, God tells us and commands us not to listen to music because He is our Creator, so He knows that music is harmful to the heart and gives a beautiful feeling temporarily, then the effect of drugs disappears, and this will cause real fatigue... Oh, thank God for the blessing of Islam.
God commands us to listen to the Qur’an and understand it. It calms the human soul and reassures the heart. It is truly special. I recommend this clip to you. th-cam.com/video/zbse_7rMJnk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=TDK4YbeDT-7nWnWY
I love your videos oh my goodness. I am still a kid in high school so there is a lot of pressure on me and it is really a struggle to take any time to just exist without feeling guilty, but I know it would be so much better if I could. I have music in my ears all the time but I remember when I was a child I would 'do nothing' quite a lot, free of music or any other media; I was very much the head-in-the-clouds type. I wrote poems and stories and drew a lot because back then I didn't yet know the constant overhanging pressure to be productive and I had infinite time and inspiration and didn't have to justify taking time to do things I wanted to do that would not get any external validation. I also have ADHD which makes this pressure to be productive extra crushing because so often I try so hard and still can't make expectations I have for myself as informed by neurotypical standards. Anyway, I love your videos, I definitely feel like I am on the right side of youtube now because although I was procrastinating watching this video, it didn't feel like a waste of time at all :)
Islam is a way of life that fills the void, not just a religion
How so when pedophilia is a normal thing in the religion
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@@elden9lord إذا تريد مناقشتي في الخاص فمرحبا
@@elden9lord لا
In fact, in Islam, listening to music is forbidden, and the details of this matter have not been delved into. Many Muslims or people of other religions have always wondered why this matter exists, even though we have preconceptions about the matter, such as that it causes a lack of concentration, and the abundance of songs causes depression, and also the bad emptiness when you finish from Hearing a good song, you search for more and more. Also, most of the songs contain bad, obscene and addictive lyrics. We have a rule, which is that nothing is forbidden without a reason, and everything that is forbidden is harmful to us. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. We must really stop living our lives with music. We enjoy natural sounds
"the details of this matter have not been delved into"- No, plenty of people thought about that already, and it's easy to understand that's because music takes away muslims' time/attention to submit to their god. 5 pray sessions a day, what else ... Anyway, if humans were born just to do exactly the same thing, we aren't much different from chickens: bred, fed, grown up, then die lol
I’m a muslim too and i do my best to become better each day. Although i do believe not all music or songs are forbidden. I used to play the piano as a teenager and it gave me so much joy and confidence, and i used to recite the quraan in a mosque on a weekly basis, there was once this open questions discussions for the teachers and i asked them about music, they told me it matters “ which type” and it’s impact on me and those around me. I do agree with you that many songs have bad lyrics with cursing and body description, and promoting a bad influence in general specially genres like rap and r’n b. But others, have sensational instrumental solos, deep retrospective words, and a piece of art that gives you good feelings, lift your mood, and can even put you “ spiritually “ in a better position. I believe spending more time listening, reading quraan and praying is the best thing to do with our time. But sometimes it’s hard not to admit the beauty of human art embodied in music. I’m a visual artist myself and work as a video games artist, and i believe good art can make people feel and live better, and create strong connections and memories, let alone the effect of music on people with dementia.. at the end i respect your comment and salute you for speaking and promoting the goodness in our beautiful Islam 😊
@@Abalone6só respectfull ❤
man the scenes the editing every thing is perfect
Thank you for your video. I may not completely stop listening to music, but I have stopped listening to podcast for almost 4 years now after a severe burnout. I felt too overwhelmed to get even a few more advice/self-improvement hacks or whatsoever. It took me months and years to fully recovered and I became more concious of what I consume... yes, I mean all content I consume, books, texts, knowlege-related media, music, movies, series, etc... I realized that learning by ears is not my thing, and listening to podcast does not help me at all. These days I enjoy to read and if I want to get deeper on something, I just buy a course and deep dive into the topic.
I may not listen to music all the time like I did in the past, but I now know when to stay in silence and when to use the benefits of the sound. The music is nice and the silence is beautiful too as it gives space and opportunity to listen to ourselves more clearly.
1:05 when he gets up you can see there is a hole in his jeans
Well in islam music is haram before 1445 years.
I love music. But lately going to college five days a week and receiving so much sensory input all day, nonstop input becomes overwhelming (especially as someone with sensory sensitivity). Filling the silence with music, podcasts, or audiobooks made me feel even more on edge and drained. I don’t listen to music when I commute anymore (2+ hours daily). By modern standards, that seems like lost time. But by the end of the ride I’ve watched so many people go to work and take their kids to school. I’ve overheard so many conversations. I notice how the sky and the trees change day by day. I’ve had seven different conversations with myself about things that no longer worry me, that I was once stuck on, new desires I want to fulfill, everything and anything. I love letting my mind wander and have no agenda. And I especially love giving that time back to myself and only myself.
Love this, I started doing this, going out do my daily days chores without headphones on, sitting in the underground train or a public area without my escape. Because I realized for me listening to something is also a method for me to feel safe and secure. And also the feeling of being overwhelmed with new sounds and information through podcasts, music and so on. Yesterday I had a situation where I received a message that was uncomfortable and my first urge was it to put on my headphones and listening to something to not feel that emotion. I realised I did this so often, the moment I feel uncomfortable and don't Wana think about something I distract myself instead of solving it within my self and really allowing all my feelings and thoughts.
And also the loss of the beauty that is around me through noise, people talking, animal sounds, traffic sounds, crying/laughing babies, street art/music. Random people talking to me. All of this beauty I missed every day. I try to corporate that into my daily routines.
After that listening to music feels much more special and I can really enjoy my TV shows and TH-cam videos. It thought me so much going into the world without distraction.
I realised that I started singing sometimes or even talking to my self haha. I really enjoy and appreciate my own company more though this "exercise".
I realised I did all of this constant listening to entertainment also as a way of not being with myself fully, it was a thing to fill my feeling of loneliness but I actually feel less lonely since I started more connected to myself and the outer world.❤
For me this is a journey to self-love and self appreciation, being really in the moment with my self and embracing feelings like loneliness and anxiety instead of pushing them away with distractions and learning to really appreciate the entertainment as a whole the music the podcasts...
THAT's why Islam is the best religion on earth
100%
True
We also don't drink alcohol and that's magnificent , we keep ourselves sane
I wouldn’t say there’s a “best religion” because in my opinion that’s messed up, instead I would say all religions are equal and should be treated equally