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cheers chris, me too mate, I always wanted to save cash and particles were a great way to do it, I do love my particle fishing although I still use hemp more than the pigeon conditioner👍🎣
cheers Darren, i actually forgot to mention the aniseed flavour, when i watched the raw footage back i couldn't believe i'd done that, rather than film it again I've added it to the video as text...lol 👍
Fantastic video. Well done. Easy to follow thank you. From mark. To mark lol. Wyreside lakes here we come lol. Me and my best mates. My 2 grandsons. They have got me out of retirement lol. Thanks mate. Eager 11 year olds
Are you the same person who was doing service with my friend Simon. I heard and watched you serve live. Laters mate. I’m also a ham. My boys like making antennas with me also 👍👍✅. Thanks
@@morecambeanglersandtrawler1074 yes mate, i sent simon the sstv pic on the rs44 satellite last night, the top of the pic that said cqsstv was cut off but the rest of it turned out quite well i reckon👍
you give me great idea to safe time i boil and prep my maize and when its done i throw the boiling water from the maize on my pigeon conditioner and close the lid overnight and carp love it
@@MarkCarp Prepared 6 kilos. Lovely gluey mess! Just put a load in my local gravel pit tonight mixed in with boilies and a few bits and bobs. Actually going for tench more than carp but happy with either/both.
Nice one mark I used this tactic in France just fishing sweet corn over the pigeon conditioner on the hair for 5 days days and it worked boss it was devastating and so much cheaper not a boilie in sight which is very unusual for me nice one pal 👍
good stuff gary, it's a great way of fishing and corn over the top is a perfect hookbait, if you haven't already, have a look at the fox arma mesh in 14mm, you can make small bags of pigeon conditioner with it and actually fish with a little package of the seeds over the top of your bait, you can mesh sweetcorn with it too if you get any nuisance fish👍
Local country store i pay £1.00 per kg for conditioner 57 . I use it im my spod mixes and i also put it through a coffee grinder and add around 200g to a 1kg boilie mix . The perfect match for your spod mix .
£1 a kilo is ok mate👍 interesting tip grinding it up and adding it to your boilies, most baits do have some kind of birdfood in them. i can't say i've ever done that but it sounds like a good idea having some in the bait and the spod mix👍🎣
Have you tried adding chopped garlic and chilli to the mix mark along with salt and maybe hemp oil? You can buy dried garlic and chopped dried chilli in bulk too although you don’t need too much of it in the mix!
i use chilli hemp occasionally russell but not very often, i've never tried garlic in with it though, the stuff stinks so i'm not a massive fan of it even if the carp are👍
Bought 12kg of Johnston and Jeff hemp seed for £22 from my local chicken feed supplier, Seamer N YORKSHIRE. Gonna price check their pigeon conditioner now. Know a tight fisted pigeon fancier in Brid', so I'll be asking him about it too.
that's about right for the hemp mate, mine was £30 but for 15k so not that much difference, you'll find the pigeon conditioner cheaper, anything around £18 for a 20k sack is about right although you might find the odd place that does it for £16, I couldn't find any cheaper than that👍
I've only just started out carp fishing with my husband and absolutely love it! Your tips are great...no fancy, over priced products. I love to be very active on the bank so Pike fishing is something I am keen to start. Do you have a beginners guide to Pike fishing? I am in Kent Rachel 😊🎣
hi Rachel, thanks for the kind comments, I've done a few videos on lure fishing but nothing really focusing on starting pike fishing, it's certainly one of subjects I will be covering in future though👍🎣😊
Cracking video mark, very informative and one i will be looking at for sure as i like the ease of prep. Hemp is getting silly now mate to the point its actually cheaper to buy it form companies ready cooked than it is to buy raw. mpst particle companies are selling 20 kilo of hemp for under 30 quid. thank you fro sharing those tips mate
cheers danny, it's amazing the carp tax you have to pay on things like hemp, it got silly a long time ago for me mate, ease of prep is important to me too, i like everything easy to do👍 lol
tench love this stuff Jordan, hemp corn and caster are perfect if you want to tweak it for tench instead of carp, they love the bait i used in the video too, maple peas👍
Thanks for a great video on pigeon conditioner. I am an American living in Chicago area. I am new a carp fishing. I understand everything you said. I am not sure what we call pigeon condition in the USA. Would that be just pigeon food/seeds? Also could I use the pigeon conditioner as a pack bait, using bread crumbs, panko, or oatmeal as a binder to make a pack bait to stick on a method lead. I know you were speaking of using it as a chum as we call it. Thanks so much for your video and answers to my questions.
hi richard, pigeon conditioner is just a mixture of a few different seeds, there are things like red dari seed, white dari seed, rolled oats or groats as we call them, pinto beans or mung beans, wheat, oilseed rape and safflower seeds, they are just mixed together and coated with aniseed oil. it's a big ask to make your own, i don't know if you have people who keep pigeons over in chicago but if you can find people who keep them as a hobby or race them then you should be able to find a supplier. if you can't, rather than make your own, all of those seeds will catch carp on their own but i'd highly recommend just wheat or groats, both will catch stacks of carp and they'll go in your pack bait as will pigeon conditioner itself if you've a decent binder👍 wheat and groats are on this channel already and i think you'll find wheat the cheapest on your side of the pond👍
Hi mark, quick question...could you cook this in a flask lile the hemp video as surely its doing the same as a cool box? I knly ask because one j dont have a cool box atm and two i dont want to use a lot of bait currently either? Also, boticed you havent put up any vodeos for awhile, got an idea for you, mahbe a video on how to use old school flavours effectively such as mollases etc.
Hi luke, yes you can do it in a flask mate, I usually stay at 3 quarters full then fill with boiling water, leave it overnight and it'll be good to go👍 no vids due to a pending house move at the moment luke, I like molasses though, its nice and cheap from a feed merchant and it will feature at some point in the future, thanks for the reminder 👍🙂
@@MarkCarp lovely thanks mark. My texting was really bad in that last message I do apologise 😂 picked up a bag for £18 from local feed shop, can't go wrong so cheers.
Hi Mark Carp, love the idea of switching people on to cheaper ways to fish for there Carp That said, it was drilled into my Carp fishing from the start `early 80`s to pre soak minimum 24 hours and a boil the b jesus out of any particle When people are told there is a shotcut or hack in fishing it starts to LAYER...bigger short cuts are used `over the top` and hey ho more dead fish, unessasary nut bans and a general mistrust of all things particle Stick it all in a bucket and give it a good soak PLEASE....surely this can be managed before a fishing trip without getting the sack or having the kids sweep chimmneys etc.. Listening to anglers from all aspects of our sport seem to agree that bait is a fundamental part of the game and shortcuts have no place in Carp bait preparation Tight lines and all the very best Brad
hi brad, i hear what you're saying about prep, particles like hemp and pigeon conditioner don't expand a lot when soaked so you can get away with using a cool box for pigeon conditioner or a thermos flask for hemp. pigeon conditioner done this way won't harm the fish but it is a short cut and i don't think it's as effective as a good soak and a decent boil of at least 20 minutes which is still how i prefer to do it. people are lazy though and this way has gained popularity but i''ll always boil mine. i'll be covering the full soak and boil for this particle at some point in the future and why i think boiling is better👍
thanks mate, it's shocking how much it's gone up in the last year or two isn't it. i bought a sack of maize a few weeks ago, it's gone from £8.99 to £14.99!.
@MarkCarp yeah, just like every thing els, gone are the days of a cheap days fishing! I bought a mix of hemp and particle mix for a tenner to see me on a mornings fishing on a wild water I've found holding specimen tench and carp 🤞🏻
I bought the Marriage's Breeding mix as it had lots of maple peas in it, cost me about £15 for 20kg from Farm and Pet near the north Wales border at Gledrid/Weston Rhyn. they also sell hemp seed at £27 for 15kg. these products dont show on their website for some reason.
Marriages have a good range from about £14 to £18 depending on the protein levels etc, their website shows the macro nutrient scales if each blend like conditioner, performance, breeding etc. Not used it before but a mate of mine has always used it and pre made particles and groundbait are a ripoff.
indeed pre cooked particles are a bit of a rip off, I've always done my own in small quantities, it doesn't take much time or effort to soak and boil some seeds, peas or nuts👍
hi ryan, pigeon conditioner does expand slightly but not a lot compared to most particles, i haven't weighed mine 'before and after' but it's certainly nowhere near double👍
Not sure what 'all season' means Ricky but I'd say yes, the seeds and make up will be very similar to this one, does it smell of aniseed?, if it does its probably the same, if it doesn't I'd suggest getting this one because the aniseed flavour is part of its attraction👍
hi james, I've had some prepared and used it 3 days later and it was ok, beyond that I've no idea as I tend to just prepare enough for a session and anything left goes into the lake. One thing I will say is that all particles can be frozen and pigeon conditioner will freeze no problem, I've done this in the past but these days I prefer to just give them the free bait👍
@@gicechicken7062 i'm not sure what that question means?, can you use a cool box to prepare maize?, if that's the question then the answer is no, you need to soak maize for 24hrs and boil it for around 20 minutes👍
Hi Mark some great tips there I'll deffo be trying Pigeon conditioner this summer ...I noticed the desk mic and handy there who's the radio ham or CB'er mate ?
cheers phil, i'm the radio ham, I've been licenced since 1987 with a G1 callsign, i left the hobby not long after getting my licence because i worked in the electronics industry and didn't want to get involved in it after a day at work fixing circuit boards, i kept my licence though and returned to it a couple of years ago, it's very much a secondary hobby to my fishing though👍 i'm surprised you didn't clock the front of my ic7100 right next to the handy👍lol
Hi Mark interesting stuff I've been licenced 7 years now with a 2e0 call I have tried to pass the Advanced twice but narrowly failed I'll have another go when I feel up to it . I was really looking hard for a transceiver but you had it hidden good :)
yeah it's out of sight phil, only the control head of the radio is barely visible on the end of my desk, the main unit and the auto atu are both hidden behind my pc, i have a half size g5rv for hf and an x50 collinear for 2 and 70, nothing up for 4 or 6 yet but the rv actually tunes on 6 anyway and I've worked quite a few eu stations on it. I've no more room left for anything else, it's a working home office and space is at a premium...lol. i mainly operate in the winter months on those days when it's too crappy to go fishing. Good luck with the advanced mate, just take your time with it and have as many goes as you need👍
Got a 6 band Hexbeam and an Icom 7300 at home and in the van I've got an Alinco dx70 and various monoband whips also use an MFJ 1979 which goes to nearly 17ft 1/4 wave on 20m now that works fantastic down on the beach (Southport) .....anyway great to chat about our 2nd hobby mate I'll try and pop in on your next live vid and say hello ;)
hi ian, you don't drain it off mate, leave it in the water it cooks in, you can freeze it but again freeze it in the water it comes in then thaw it out and keep it in the same water, it should always stay in the water you cook it until you use it👍
i can't say I've ever tried it that way jimbob, I've only used it for carp/tench/bream as a bed put in from the start, i'm sure the silvers do eat it but I've never caught any by accident when fishing over it so you'd have to try it and see mate?, some places sell it in 1 or 2k bags so it might be worth trying one of those to see how it goes first?👍
hi ricky, honestly i'm not sure mate, i've used it up to 5 days old and it was fine, i've never kept it longer than that though, fresh is best in my book so i use it quickly or freeze it👍
yes it does Jordan, you don't need to boil it for long at all, you can do it in just a bucket with a sealable lid too, poor the boiling water on it, close the lid but let them soak for longer, a full 24hrs rather than just overnight with the cool box. With the world cup starting very soon keep an eye out in your local supermarkets, they quite often sell big cool boxes for keeping your beer cold, during the last world cup i remember seeing them stacked high in my local Tesco and they were a tenner each, if they sell them again this time round it could be a chance to pick one up cheap👍
cheers carlos, with delivery that's not bad at all👍 you should check out groats too, they are one of the seeds in pigeon conditioner, on there own i rate them better than the conditioner, same price and you don't even need a cool box👍😎
hi esmin, yes you can use a bucket, in a coolbox it's just an overnight soak, if you use a bucket, snap the lid shut after you've put the boiling water in and give it a full 24hrs👍
cheers haydn, it's a Nikon d5600 slr with a rode mic attached, i've had it since march but this is the first time i've used it to make a video, i must admit it does come out really well. i've got two lenses for it, 18-55mm and 70-300mm both by Nikon, it does great shots and i'll be using it a lot more in the future👍
hi matthew, yes you can do it in a normal bucket too but soak it for longer, it's only in the coolbox 'overnight' so maybe 12hrs or less, in a normal bucket put the boiling water on it, close the lid and give it at least 24hrs😉
@@MarkCarp cool mate , ive been buying ready made spod particle buckets , and its just basically pigeon conditioner with a few bigger bits added , and at £13 for 2.5kg , gonna be getting to a pet food store I think lol , I didnt realise it was so easy to prep . Cheers mate .
yeah that's expensive matthew, you should be able to get a 20k sack for around £18 so it will save you a fortune, just prep what you need a day or two before you go, you can always add a few extras too like a tin of corn or some mixed sized pellets etc, i'm glad you've found this useful mate👍
hi jay, no mate, it doesn't freeze too well, the only particles i ever freeze are hemp and tiger nuts, they're both rock hard and will take it, everything else tends to be too soft including most of the seeds found in pigeon conditioner👍
crikey roy, that's expensive!, shop around mate, you should be able to get it for less than £20 a bag, delivery will add to that if you can't collect it but that's still a lot less then haiths👍
@@MarkCarp no worries its what I use cheap as anything I normally go there and my local pet farm shop and get maize for about a tenner with bird seed can't complain 50kg of bait for 20 pounds
@@MarkCarp did you notice a difference in your fishing when or if you went to particle as I use to use just boilees then when I went onto just particle occasionally with some chopped boilees my catch rate seemed to go up
@@donnydbikelife8665 it varies donny, some waters i've found boilies better, others the particles have done the best. on busy waters with loads of bait going in and a lot of angling pressure the particles have done better. the heavier boilies are in use the more particles seem to perform better. i reckon the carp know what a boilie is and they are more easily tripped up with something they haven't seen before or as much, if that makes sense. big difference to my wallet as well mate👍😁 i don't use boilies much these days, only on easy waters or in winter when it's just more convenient👍
i use chicken scratch ,,25 kls for 15 bucks cdn ,,it contains every seed you can think of .soak it over nite then boil it ,,,its magic got 32 carp last week biggest 28 lbs ,,but hey i live in canada ,,carp fisherman here are spoilt lol
sounds similar to our pigeon conditioner peter, most mixes of seeds are good for catching carp, the best I've found so far is just plain hempseed but it's very expensive over here in the uk👍
Strange no boiling, when doing maple peas soaking for twenty-four hours then boiling.but there is maple peas in pigeon conditioner and hard maize,surely that would need soaking for twenty-four hours and then boiling?
it lightly cooks in the coolbox mate, it's my least favourite way of preparing pigeon conditioner but it does work, it's not as good as boiling though👍
Hi mark :-) i consider myself as a beginner as im only on my 3rd year carping (although 30+ years a sea angler beach and boat) so as you may imagine ive bought thousands i reckon of expensive cc moore and sticky baits so far and yes there great but its bothered me that the carp on pressured venues where i fish have become acustomed to them a bit yeah! And so i thank you so so much for sharing your experience and secrets too buddy :-) sadly ive found the more knowledgeable ive become the less fish i catch hahaaa and the funs gone a bit too as nothings better than landing a whopper on a blunt hook on a flimsy rod in a shithole small venue right hahaaa , ive liked and ive subbed and hope you keep on making videos that make sense to beginers like ma as well as all the experts ive met hahaaa, there all experts according to them teheheee, tight lines buddy, Paddy :-)
cheers paddy, i just follow my own path mate, a long time ago i fished a water up here in the north called capesthorne hall, i got the chance to watch fish close up and their behaviour towards boilies was quite something, they would either leave the area or ignore them, these were pressured fish and they knew round baits were dangerous, if i chopped the baits up into halves and quarters they'd take them!. Ever since then boilies have never formed the main thrust of any campaign I've done and i rarely use round baits, i found that by moving away from the boilie/round bait scenario i instantly gave myself an edge👍 this is why i prefer seeds, beans and nuts for my fishing, if everyone is on boilies you instantly have an edge by way of giving them something different that they won't be wary of👍 the carp rags and internet promo teams we have these days are very good at flogging you a dream though....lol😂
cheers chris/sam, i reckon that's about right, you know it'll be good coming from pets at home, i know a lot of people find it cheaper but i pay the same as you do for mine and i often wonder if these places who sell cheap are just trying to get rid of old stock that isn't fresh.
@@MarkCarp hi mark , I’d say same .. the quality is great from pets at home .. other merchants good well be old seed .. going back a lot of years every one kept pigeons .. so stock won’t be sold on the scale it use to be .. all the best cheers Chris & Sam
@@justluvfishinguk yeah you don't hear of many people keeping pigeons these days do you?, i'm sure there's a few still around otherwise they wouldn't sell the seed mix, perhaps not as many as there used to be though?. thanks and atb mate👍
nice one lazy, that's the cheapest yet although I reckon you'll find it's gone up a little since you last bought it, nice additives to spice it up too👍
@@MarkCarp Ive been using a mix with less variation, mainly weat and corn (best value for money?!?). But ill consider adding more variaty. If I add one thing (at least), should that be hemp and? Or something else?
I occasionally salt my particles Richard but not very often, if I do it's usually chicks or beans because they soak up a lot more water, for seeds this small I don't think it's worth doing👍
Really good video mate. Im goin to give partical a go and found your video very helpful. Thanks mate, you need to swap that cup for a blue one tho. COYB 💙
the cup is sacred rob, red is righteous, blue is bitter, at the end of the season, you'll always be shi**** 😁😁😁 good luck with the particles mate, they are cheap and they work brilliantly well👍🎣
We will be back there one day mate, i think its yours this season though. Back on topic lol.... would you use this in the winter or at what point in the year would you stop using it?
i'm not so sure rob, I still feel city are slightly stronger than us, we win by 3, they get 4 or 5, they always seem to be one step ahead, I reckon it will go to the wire again and could go either way👍 yes i'd use in winter but only in small amounts, i'm planning to do a winter particle video if I can, a few seeds in the swim can keep them in the area and grubbing around although I tend to prefer hemp for this👍
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Interested in trying pigeon conditioner?, get a small 1k bag here > amzn.to/2rUkIoR
There's always Hemp Seed. northwestcarp.blogspot.com/2018/07/preparing-hemp-seed-for-fishing.html
North West Carp. northwestcarp.blogspot.co.uk/
Anglers Diary. anglersdiary.blogspot.co.uk/
Cracking little video for those who need a cost affective bait, I've used this type of bait most of my fishing life. Very well explained mate.
cheers chris, me too mate, I always wanted to save cash and particles were a great way to do it, I do love my particle fishing although I still use hemp more than the pigeon conditioner👍🎣
Brilliant video again fella I'll be getting a sack for the river campaign on the boat. Thanks for posting Mark
cheers dave, good luck with your river campaign mate, let us know how you get on with it and how cheap you can find it👍
Very informative vlog Mark.
One of the best things about pidgeon conditioner is that it's under used and carp love that aniseed flavour!
cheers Darren, i actually forgot to mention the aniseed flavour, when i watched the raw footage back i couldn't believe i'd done that, rather than film it again I've added it to the video as text...lol 👍
Does that meen you have caught on Aniseed flavour in your pond?
Nice one!
Match the hatch / flavours/rigs blowing?
Dicusss.......
B&m £3.99 for 12.5kg bag used it and had massive success
wow, average price seems to be around £18 for 20k, that's the cheapest I've ever heard of gavin, I think you've been getting a right bargain there👍
I knew it would be worth checking comments thanks mate, popping into local b and m tomorrow for that price
Yeah but go back when you’ve finished that bag and they’re stopped selling it.
Just found this Video
I used PGC 30 years ago by the 25kg sack
Marriages is the other side of Chelmsford from me 👍
it's an oldie but a goodie mark, i've used marriages for ingredients in the past, you're lucky to have them so close👍
Fantastic video. Well done. Easy to follow thank you. From mark. To mark lol. Wyreside lakes here we come lol. Me and my best mates. My 2 grandsons. They have got me out of retirement lol. Thanks mate. Eager 11 year olds
Are you the same person who was doing service with my friend Simon. I heard and watched you serve live. Laters mate. I’m also a ham. My boys like making antennas with me also 👍👍✅. Thanks
Device means sstv lol sorry to confuse you lol
Serv service lol. SSTV
good luck at wyreside mark, it'll be tough going on there at this time of year🤔
@@morecambeanglersandtrawler1074 yes mate, i sent simon the sstv pic on the rs44 satellite last night, the top of the pic that said cqsstv was cut off but the rest of it turned out quite well i reckon👍
you give me great idea to safe time i boil and prep my maize and when its done i throw the boiling water from the maize on my pigeon conditioner and close the lid overnight and carp love it
nice one andre, saves energy and there's a little extra attraction in there too👍
Pigeon conditioner is better if you boil it
An added bonus is ducks/coots etc don't wipe out your loose bait unlike if you use just boilies! Thanks for the video.
thanks mate and that's very true, they find it much harder work getting a feed and they seem to give up quite quickly👍
@@MarkCarp Prepared 6 kilos. Lovely gluey mess! Just put a load in my local gravel pit tonight mixed in with boilies and a few bits and bobs. Actually going for tench more than carp but happy with either/both.
@@thejudge-kv2jk good tactics mate, target them both and take whatever comes along👍
Nice one mark I used this tactic in France just fishing sweet corn over the pigeon conditioner on the hair for 5 days days and it worked boss it was devastating and so much cheaper not a boilie in sight which is very unusual for me nice one pal 👍
good stuff gary, it's a great way of fishing and corn over the top is a perfect hookbait, if you haven't already, have a look at the fox arma mesh in 14mm, you can make small bags of pigeon conditioner with it and actually fish with a little package of the seeds over the top of your bait, you can mesh sweetcorn with it too if you get any nuisance fish👍
@@MarkCarp Thats a great trip, just found your excellent blog mate, subscribed.
@@hairtrigga thanks mate and welcome👍
Local country store i pay £1.00 per kg for conditioner 57 . I use it im my spod mixes and i also put it through a coffee grinder and add around 200g to a 1kg boilie mix . The perfect match for your spod mix .
£1 a kilo is ok mate👍 interesting tip grinding it up and adding it to your boilies, most baits do have some kind of birdfood in them. i can't say i've ever done that but it sounds like a good idea having some in the bait and the spod mix👍🎣
HI Mark do you drain the water from the cool box before you go fishing and have you ever used flaked maize in the mix
hi frank, i leave the water in there in mate. never added flaked maize to it but do use it on its own, i'd have no problem putting some in👍
does it matter what pigeon conditioner you use
they're all very similar mate, i've used bucktons and bamfords if that's any help?👍
Have you tried adding chopped garlic and chilli to the mix mark along with salt and maybe hemp oil?
You can buy dried garlic and chopped dried chilli in bulk too although you don’t need too much of it in the mix!
i use chilli hemp occasionally russell but not very often, i've never tried garlic in with it though, the stuff stinks so i'm not a massive fan of it even if the carp are👍
Mark
Mole valley farmers pigeon conditioner £14.00 for a 20kg sack! 👍
very good price that russell👍
You used this brand Russell?.
Nice one Mark I’ll definitely be trying this out this year, keep up the videos mate always watch them when I see you’ve uploaded :)
cheers mate, first video I've made for a while, I've had several months off doing them, hopefully i'll manage to get a few more out over the summer👍
Bought 12kg of Johnston and Jeff hemp seed for £22 from my local chicken feed supplier, Seamer N YORKSHIRE. Gonna price check their pigeon conditioner now. Know a tight fisted pigeon fancier in Brid', so I'll be asking him about it too.
that's about right for the hemp mate, mine was £30 but for 15k so not that much difference, you'll find the pigeon conditioner cheaper, anything around £18 for a 20k sack is about right although you might find the odd place that does it for £16, I couldn't find any cheaper than that👍
I've only just started out carp fishing with my husband and absolutely love it! Your tips are great...no fancy, over priced products. I love to be very active on the bank so Pike fishing is something I am keen to start. Do you have a beginners guide to Pike fishing? I am in Kent Rachel 😊🎣
hi Rachel, thanks for the kind comments, I've done a few videos on lure fishing but nothing really focusing on starting pike fishing, it's certainly one of subjects I will be covering in future though👍🎣😊
Is Pigeon Conditioner PVA friendly
not prepared this way john but you can make any particles pva friendly by putting them in heavily salted water, so it can be👍
@@MarkCarp cheers mate.
Cracking video mark, very informative and one i will be looking at for sure as i like the ease of prep. Hemp is getting silly now mate to the point its actually cheaper to buy it form companies ready cooked than it is to buy raw. mpst particle companies are selling 20 kilo of hemp for under 30 quid.
thank you fro sharing those tips mate
cheers danny, it's amazing the carp tax you have to pay on things like hemp, it got silly a long time ago for me mate, ease of prep is important to me too, i like everything easy to do👍 lol
Nice video mate. Great seeing the behind the scenes of the live stream mark 😂
ha ha, yeah cheers ewan, you can see the pc i sit at when i'm live, you'll be back to the radiator and my fishing chair on Wednesday...lol😂😂
deffo gunna try that in my tench groundbait mix 😄 add in some hemp corn maggot and caster and it will be amazing. thanks mate. u are a 💎
tench love this stuff Jordan, hemp corn and caster are perfect if you want to tweak it for tench instead of carp, they love the bait i used in the video too, maple peas👍
Thanks for a great video on pigeon conditioner. I am an American living in Chicago area. I am new a carp fishing. I understand everything you said. I am not sure what we call pigeon condition in the USA. Would that be just pigeon food/seeds? Also could I use the pigeon conditioner as a pack bait, using bread crumbs, panko, or oatmeal as a binder to make a pack bait to stick on a method lead. I know you were speaking of using it as a chum as we call it. Thanks so much for your video and answers to my questions.
hi richard, pigeon conditioner is just a mixture of a few different seeds, there are things like red dari seed, white dari seed, rolled oats or groats as we call them, pinto beans or mung beans, wheat, oilseed rape and safflower seeds, they are just mixed together and coated with aniseed oil. it's a big ask to make your own, i don't know if you have people who keep pigeons over in chicago but if you can find people who keep them as a hobby or race them then you should be able to find a supplier. if you can't, rather than make your own, all of those seeds will catch carp on their own but i'd highly recommend just wheat or groats, both will catch stacks of carp and they'll go in your pack bait as will pigeon conditioner itself if you've a decent binder👍 wheat and groats are on this channel already and i think you'll find wheat the cheapest on your side of the pond👍
Hi mark, quick question...could you cook this in a flask lile the hemp video as surely its doing the same as a cool box? I knly ask because one j dont have a cool box atm and two i dont want to use a lot of bait currently either? Also, boticed you havent put up any vodeos for awhile, got an idea for you, mahbe a video on how to use old school flavours effectively such as mollases etc.
Hi luke, yes you can do it in a flask mate, I usually stay at 3 quarters full then fill with boiling water, leave it overnight and it'll be good to go👍 no vids due to a pending house move at the moment luke, I like molasses though, its nice and cheap from a feed merchant and it will feature at some point in the future, thanks for the reminder 👍🙂
@@MarkCarp lovely thanks mark. My texting was really bad in that last message I do apologise 😂 picked up a bag for £18 from local feed shop, can't go wrong so cheers.
@@carpermanluke876 that's a good price today luke, I do like cheap bait🤣
Here’s a tip from me , get rid of your gas kettle n buy a electric one, they’re 1/4 the cost to run compared to gas.
got one mate, i've had my kitchen changed and everything is electric now👍😁
Hi Mark Carp, love the idea of switching people on to cheaper ways to fish for there Carp
That said, it was drilled into my Carp fishing from the start `early 80`s to pre soak minimum 24 hours and a boil the b jesus out of any particle
When people are told there is a shotcut or hack in fishing it starts to LAYER...bigger short cuts are used `over the top` and hey ho more dead fish, unessasary nut bans and a general mistrust of all things particle
Stick it all in a bucket and give it a good soak PLEASE....surely this can be managed before a fishing trip without getting the sack or having the kids sweep chimmneys etc..
Listening to anglers from all aspects of our sport seem to agree that bait is a fundamental part of the game and shortcuts have no place in Carp bait preparation
Tight lines and all the very best
Brad
hi brad, i hear what you're saying about prep, particles like hemp and pigeon conditioner don't expand a lot when soaked so you can get away with using a cool box for pigeon conditioner or a thermos flask for hemp. pigeon conditioner done this way won't harm the fish but it is a short cut and i don't think it's as effective as a good soak and a decent boil of at least 20 minutes which is still how i prefer to do it. people are lazy though and this way has gained popularity but i''ll always boil mine. i'll be covering the full soak and boil for this particle at some point in the future and why i think boiling is better👍
2024 now and I've just clocked it at 25 quid a sack up in Newcastle
thanks mate, it's shocking how much it's gone up in the last year or two isn't it. i bought a sack of maize a few weeks ago, it's gone from £8.99 to £14.99!.
@MarkCarp yeah, just like every thing els, gone are the days of a cheap days fishing! I bought a mix of hemp and particle mix for a tenner to see me on a mornings fishing on a wild water I've found holding specimen tench and carp 🤞🏻
@@Clowningabout001 once upon a time i'd have flipped my lid at paying £10 for bait🤣
Always used pigeon conditioner since Mark Erdwin put me onto years ago , love the smell, mind you I love that peppery smell of hemp
i like them both too, for me hemp has the edge catching wise but pc is cheaper👍
Nice video mark that was really useful
cheers spencer👍
Hi just a quick question what can I had to the pigeon conditioner do drain the water out after 24 hours
hi david, i don't add anything to it mate, it works well enough on it's own. don't drain the water, always keep it in the water you've boiled it in👍
@@MarkCarp thanks for your reply
@@davidhorn536 you're welcome mate👍
@@MarkCarp hi again sorry but have you fished sefton park or Stanley park lakes or colder stone park
@@davidhorn536 hi david, no mate, the only lake i've fished in liverpool is walton hall park, i've not fished any of the others.
I bought the Marriage's Breeding mix as it had lots of maple peas in it, cost me about £15 for 20kg from Farm and Pet near the north Wales border at Gledrid/Weston Rhyn. they also sell hemp seed at £27 for 15kg. these products dont show on their website for some reason.
McBeagleHound was it decent hemp
Nice on mcbeaglehound, £15 is a very good price, that hemp is quite cheap too👍
I dont know the quality of the hemp, it was on the shelf above the pigeon mixes
Marriages have a good range from about £14 to £18 depending on the protein levels etc, their website shows the macro nutrient scales if each blend like conditioner, performance, breeding etc. Not used it before but a mate of mine has always used it and pre made particles and groundbait are a ripoff.
indeed pre cooked particles are a bit of a rip off, I've always done my own in small quantities, it doesn't take much time or effort to soak and boil some seeds, peas or nuts👍
How long does it last once you’ve added the hot water pls ?
i use it the next day kl, i've kept it for as long as 5 days and it's been ok, beyond that i couldn't say👍
Does the pigeon conditioner expand at all? Say you put 1kg in a cool box with boiling water do you end up with 2kg of conditioner for example?
hi ryan, pigeon conditioner does expand slightly but not a lot compared to most particles, i haven't weighed mine 'before and after' but it's certainly nowhere near double👍
Just done a batch using my Kelly Kettle to boil the water. Super cheap 🙂🙃🙂
nice one steve, if you can boil the water without gas or electric that's about as cheap as you can get😁
Can I use all season pigeon feed mate and prepare the same way?
Not sure what 'all season' means Ricky but I'd say yes, the seeds and make up will be very similar to this one, does it smell of aniseed?, if it does its probably the same, if it doesn't I'd suggest getting this one because the aniseed flavour is part of its attraction👍
It's called bucktons best all round mate, it's got quite a few different bits in it
@@rickymchugh427 Bucktons is the stuff I usually get so I reckon you'll be OK with that one👍
Cheers Mark appreciate the fast reply mate 👍
I use maple peas alot of them
they are so underrated, nice one stu👍
Can you freeze this mate after its cooked and cooled down?
hi ricky, yes mate, you can freeze it when it's cooled down👍
@@MarkCarp thank you! Cheers for the reply mate 👍
HI Mark great video could you tell me how long it will keep once prepared or do you just boil up enough for your session
hi james, I've had some prepared and used it 3 days later and it was ok, beyond that I've no idea as I tend to just prepare enough for a session and anything left goes into the lake. One thing I will say is that all particles can be frozen and pigeon conditioner will freeze no problem, I've done this in the past but these days I prefer to just give them the free bait👍
Thx Mark i tryed this yesterday. How long do u wait. When its in the conditioner
i leave mine overnight mate so never less than 12hrs👍
@@MarkCarp Thx! Super tip
@@gicechicken7062 you're welcome mate👍
@@MarkCarp last question does this work for mais that's in the conditioner
@@gicechicken7062 i'm not sure what that question means?, can you use a cool box to prepare maize?, if that's the question then the answer is no, you need to soak maize for 24hrs and boil it for around 20 minutes👍
Hi Mark some great tips there I'll deffo be trying Pigeon conditioner this summer ...I noticed the desk mic and handy there who's the radio ham or CB'er mate ?
cheers phil, i'm the radio ham, I've been licenced since 1987 with a G1 callsign, i left the hobby not long after getting my licence because i worked in the electronics industry and didn't want to get involved in it after a day at work fixing circuit boards, i kept my licence though and returned to it a couple of years ago, it's very much a secondary hobby to my fishing though👍 i'm surprised you didn't clock the front of my ic7100 right next to the handy👍lol
Hi Mark interesting stuff I've been licenced 7 years now with a 2e0 call I have tried to pass the Advanced twice but narrowly failed I'll have another go when I feel up to it . I was really looking hard for a transceiver but you had it hidden good :)
yeah it's out of sight phil, only the control head of the radio is barely visible on the end of my desk, the main unit and the auto atu are both hidden behind my pc, i have a half size g5rv for hf and an x50 collinear for 2 and 70, nothing up for 4 or 6 yet but the rv actually tunes on 6 anyway and I've worked quite a few eu stations on it. I've no more room left for anything else, it's a working home office and space is at a premium...lol. i mainly operate in the winter months on those days when it's too crappy to go fishing. Good luck with the advanced mate, just take your time with it and have as many goes as you need👍
Got a 6 band Hexbeam and an Icom 7300 at home and in the van I've got an Alinco dx70 and various monoband whips also use an MFJ 1979 which goes to nearly 17ft 1/4 wave on 20m now that works fantastic down on the beach (Southport) .....anyway great to chat about our 2nd hobby mate I'll try and pop in on your next live vid and say hello ;)
£18 for 20 kg sack at
M& B pet supplies
Strand Street Nr Riby Square Grimsby north east Lincolnshire.
Works out at £1. 10pence a kilo.
nice one ian, considering how much everything is going up these days, that's a good price👍
Cheapest place I know is my local animal feeds shop you can buy 10kg for £8:50
that's not a bad price ted👍
Once u have cooked it , do u drain it off or keep in in the water ? If u drwin and frezze it ,do u just use it like that or soak it in water ? Cheers
hi ian, you don't drain it off mate, leave it in the water it cooks in, you can freeze it but again freeze it in the water it comes in then thaw it out and keep it in the same water, it should always stay in the water you cook it until you use it👍
@@MarkCarp thanks for the help
@@accesszero4803 you're welcome mate👍
I was wondering mate in a lake say 2 acres how much of this would you use on each rod?
i wouldn't use a lot george, a couple of handfuls over each rod, small traps, fish for them one at a time, that's all i've done in this video👍
Hi mark, reckon it would work as loose feed over a float for silvers?
i can't say I've ever tried it that way jimbob, I've only used it for carp/tench/bream as a bed put in from the start, i'm sure the silvers do eat it but I've never caught any by accident when fishing over it so you'd have to try it and see mate?, some places sell it in 1 or 2k bags so it might be worth trying one of those to see how it goes first?👍
How long will this keep for please mate cooked but not frozen?
hi ricky, honestly i'm not sure mate, i've used it up to 5 days old and it was fine, i've never kept it longer than that though, fresh is best in my book so i use it quickly or freeze it👍
@@MarkCarp thank you mark... I froze it yesterday mate just to be sure lol
@@rickymchugh427 that's what i do, if you're not putting it in as prebait when you leave then you might as well freeze it for next time👍
Brilliant video them carp love the conditioner 👍🏻
thanks mate, I love it too, mainly for the price👍😂 lol
also would it work in the slow cooker because i havent got a cooler lol??
yes it does Jordan, you don't need to boil it for long at all, you can do it in just a bucket with a sealable lid too, poor the boiling water on it, close the lid but let them soak for longer, a full 24hrs rather than just overnight with the cool box. With the world cup starting very soon keep an eye out in your local supermarkets, they quite often sell big cool boxes for keeping your beer cold, during the last world cup i remember seeing them stacked high in my local Tesco and they were a tenner each, if they sell them again this time round it could be a chance to pick one up cheap👍
Great video mate
thanks mate👍
Thanks for making this, I feel like I've found the solution to my ground bait problems! Pets at Home plus delivery for around £21.
cheers carlos, with delivery that's not bad at all👍 you should check out groats too, they are one of the seeds in pigeon conditioner, on there own i rate them better than the conditioner, same price and you don't even need a cool box👍😎
Great video, tha is. Can I ask how you prepare groats
Can you use it for river Barbel?
honestly i've never tried it for barbel jay, there's no reason why it wouldn't work but i think i'd rather stick to hemp when it comes to barbel👍
Great video just subbed. Can you prepare it with just a regular bucket with the lid on?
hi esmin, yes you can use a bucket, in a coolbox it's just an overnight soak, if you use a bucket, snap the lid shut after you've put the boiling water in and give it a full 24hrs👍
Mark Carp thanks ☺
Quality mate, camera quality looking great! What you using?
cheers haydn, it's a Nikon d5600 slr with a rode mic attached, i've had it since march but this is the first time i've used it to make a video, i must admit it does come out really well. i've got two lenses for it, 18-55mm and 70-300mm both by Nikon, it does great shots and i'll be using it a lot more in the future👍
Hi mate . Can you do this in just a regular bucket ??. Cheers for the info by the way mate
hi matthew, yes you can do it in a normal bucket too but soak it for longer, it's only in the coolbox 'overnight' so maybe 12hrs or less, in a normal bucket put the boiling water on it, close the lid and give it at least 24hrs😉
@@MarkCarp cool mate , ive been buying ready made spod particle buckets , and its just basically pigeon conditioner with a few bigger bits added , and at £13 for 2.5kg , gonna be getting to a pet food store I think lol , I didnt realise it was so easy to prep . Cheers mate .
yeah that's expensive matthew, you should be able to get a 20k sack for around £18 so it will save you a fortune, just prep what you need a day or two before you go, you can always add a few extras too like a tin of corn or some mixed sized pellets etc, i'm glad you've found this useful mate👍
Can you freeze it if you wont
hi jay, no mate, it doesn't freeze too well, the only particles i ever freeze are hemp and tiger nuts, they're both rock hard and will take it, everything else tends to be too soft including most of the seeds found in pigeon conditioner👍
Ok mate thanks
@@Jay-wz6jd no worries👍
Heiths Pigeon conditioner £38. 70 20kg sack delivered.
crikey roy, that's expensive!, shop around mate, you should be able to get it for less than £20 a bag, delivery will add to that if you can't collect it but that's still a lot less then haiths👍
Just brought 12.5kg of copdock mill pigeon conditioner for £12.99 from marriage's Chelmsford!!.
not bad dan, marriages are a good supplier, they do a good list of boilie ingredients as well👍
My question is can pigeon conditioner be used to load a method feeder? Cheaper than pellets.
Bit late but home bargains sell bird seed / pigeon conditioner it's 3.89 for 12.5kg hope its still relevant
thanks donny, home and bargain is a new one and all suggestions help no matter how late they are👍
@@MarkCarp no worries its what I use cheap as anything I normally go there and my local pet farm shop and get maize for about a tenner with bird seed can't complain 50kg of bait for 20 pounds
@@donnydbikelife8665 same here mate, all my particles come from a livery/farm shop, keep it cheap i say👍
@@MarkCarp did you notice a difference in your fishing when or if you went to particle as I use to use just boilees then when I went onto just particle occasionally with some chopped boilees my catch rate seemed to go up
@@donnydbikelife8665 it varies donny, some waters i've found boilies better, others the particles have done the best. on busy waters with loads of bait going in and a lot of angling pressure the particles have done better. the heavier boilies are in use the more particles seem to perform better. i reckon the carp know what a boilie is and they are more easily tripped up with something they haven't seen before or as much, if that makes sense. big difference to my wallet as well mate👍😁 i don't use boilies much these days, only on easy waters or in winter when it's just more convenient👍
i use chicken scratch ,,25 kls for 15 bucks cdn ,,it contains every seed you can think of .soak it over nite then boil it ,,,its magic got 32 carp last week biggest 28 lbs ,,but hey i live in canada ,,carp fisherman here are spoilt lol
sounds similar to our pigeon conditioner peter, most mixes of seeds are good for catching carp, the best I've found so far is just plain hempseed but it's very expensive over here in the uk👍
Strange no boiling, when doing maple peas soaking for twenty-four hours then boiling.but there is maple peas in pigeon conditioner and hard maize,surely that would need soaking for twenty-four hours and then boiling?
it lightly cooks in the coolbox mate, it's my least favourite way of preparing pigeon conditioner but it does work, it's not as good as boiling though👍
By the way cracking vid mate
thanks mate👍
Mole valley 20kg bag £14
good price that mate👍 i looked at my local particle supplier recently and it was £17.99🙄
Hi mark :-) i consider myself as a beginner as im only on my 3rd year carping (although 30+ years a sea angler beach and boat) so as you may imagine ive bought thousands i reckon of expensive cc moore and sticky baits so far and yes there great but its bothered me that the carp on pressured venues where i fish have become acustomed to them a bit yeah! And so i thank you so so much for sharing your experience and secrets too buddy :-) sadly ive found the more knowledgeable ive become the less fish i catch hahaaa and the funs gone a bit too as nothings better than landing a whopper on a blunt hook on a flimsy rod in a shithole small venue right hahaaa , ive liked and ive subbed and hope you keep on making videos that make sense to beginers like ma as well as all the experts ive met hahaaa, there all experts according to them teheheee, tight lines buddy, Paddy :-)
cheers paddy, i just follow my own path mate, a long time ago i fished a water up here in the north called capesthorne hall, i got the chance to watch fish close up and their behaviour towards boilies was quite something, they would either leave the area or ignore them, these were pressured fish and they knew round baits were dangerous, if i chopped the baits up into halves and quarters they'd take them!. Ever since then boilies have never formed the main thrust of any campaign I've done and i rarely use round baits, i found that by moving away from the boilie/round bait scenario i instantly gave myself an edge👍 this is why i prefer seeds, beans and nuts for my fishing, if everyone is on boilies you instantly have an edge by way of giving them something different that they won't be wary of👍 the carp rags and internet promo teams we have these days are very good at flogging you a dream though....lol😂
Hi mark .. I got mine from pets at home .. £17.95 .. for 20kg ..Cheers Chris & Sam
cheers chris/sam, i reckon that's about right, you know it'll be good coming from pets at home, i know a lot of people find it cheaper but i pay the same as you do for mine and i often wonder if these places who sell cheap are just trying to get rid of old stock that isn't fresh.
@@MarkCarp hi mark , I’d say same .. the quality is great from pets at home .. other merchants good well be old seed .. going back a lot of years every one kept pigeons .. so stock won’t be sold on the scale it use to be .. all the best cheers Chris & Sam
@@justluvfishinguk yeah you don't hear of many people keeping pigeons these days do you?, i'm sure there's a few still around otherwise they wouldn't sell the seed mix, perhaps not as many as there used to be though?. thanks and atb mate👍
bamfords in leyland, about 9 quid a sack, although i ve not got it for a few years but salt and tandori powder and mollases made it rocket fuel,
nice one lazy, that's the cheapest yet although I reckon you'll find it's gone up a little since you last bought it, nice additives to spice it up too👍
Hi ,great stuff get mine from pet shop , £1.50 kilo !!
cheers ian, pet shop is a good call, for small amounts £1.50 a kilo isn't too bad👍
Must try this. Thx!
bream love seeds andreas👍🎣😁
@@MarkCarp Ive been using a mix with less variation, mainly weat and corn (best value for money?!?). But ill consider adding more variaty. If I add one thing (at least), should that be hemp and? Or something else?
@@AndreasLiljegren maize and maple peas are both dirt cheap, they are both brilliant baits and definitely value for money👍
I thought you would of put salt in it as well
I occasionally salt my particles Richard but not very often, if I do it's usually chicks or beans because they soak up a lot more water, for seeds this small I don't think it's worth doing👍
Really good video mate. Im goin to give partical a go and found your video very helpful.
Thanks mate, you need to swap that cup for a blue one tho. COYB 💙
the cup is sacred rob, red is righteous, blue is bitter, at the end of the season, you'll always be shi**** 😁😁😁 good luck with the particles mate, they are cheap and they work brilliantly well👍🎣
We will be back there one day mate, i think its yours this season though.
Back on topic lol.... would you use this in the winter or at what point in the year would you stop using it?
i'm not so sure rob, I still feel city are slightly stronger than us, we win by 3, they get 4 or 5, they always seem to be one step ahead, I reckon it will go to the wire again and could go either way👍 yes i'd use in winter but only in small amounts, i'm planning to do a winter particle video if I can, a few seeds in the swim can keep them in the area and grubbing around although I tend to prefer hemp for this👍
You might want to turn the gas off on that empty kettle Mark lol
easy thing to forget when you're making a video paul, at least I didn't burn the house down or blow it up👍😁
Wilkos £6 for 12 kg
50p a kilo, nice one mate, that's the cheapest I've heard of for a small amount👍
You want to be soaking for longer than that fella
each to their own mate, there's more than one way to prepare and this way works well for me👍
"Pigeon Conditioner"
good bait jim👍😁
bucktons pigeon conditioner @molevalley £15.49 for a 20kg bag
thanks ade, in 2022 with prices rising fast, that is a very good price👍