That would be a very accurate Bible. Unfortunately, Masoretic-Text-Onlyism is deeply embedded in the Protestant Tradition and probably won't go anywhere anytime soon.
These men are both committed Christians who understand that the Jews are wrong in their beliefs, in as much as they do not recognize Jesus is the Messiah However they also recognize that God has specifically called out the Jewish people for a purpose. “What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.” - Romans 3:1-2 Thank you for watching!
@@BibleCentral but they use the Jewish canon for their old testamate which inherently proves no Messia. "God is not a man," see Ezekiel. These men can off no proof the spirit of the lord is upon them. Shalom.
they will see the one whom they pierced, but no one can see God. it's their Christ who they rejected so Abraham's blessings came to the goyim. as prophesied.
@@timeoftheend7156 not really, and actually the Hebrew text of Daniel actually makes it worse for u. If u go with the masoretic u tie ur self to that canon list. Moreover, the masoretic text is laid upon the foundation of an oral Tora tradition, aka passed through speaking. You all don't believe that, thus another problem arises. Shalom.
@@OrthodoxPhilip Agreed. And the texts that the KJV translators had were rather late as well. There is more evidence for accuracy in the Latin Vulgate by Jerome from the 400AD. At lest him and his fellows used 300AD texts to make that translation. The Septuagint rocks in my opinion.
"Nor should we garner the little bone that's there and then say 'well, yep, the Septuagint is legit and it's the one we should all be using', which is exactly what's going on, is the elevation of the Septuagint based on this tiny little fragment bone." That's not what's happening. What's happening is the Dead Sea Scrolls show that the LXX was translated from a different Hebrew text than the Masoreitc Text. So, many differences between the Masoretic Text and Septuagint are not due to the LXX translators mistakes, but due to differences in the various Hebrew lines of transmission. We suspect, as the early Church fathers have repeatedly said, that after the LXX was produced, the Jews edited the Hebrew text and it's that text which is the ancestor of the Masoretic Text. We have very good reasons now to believe that the LXX preserves older readings, many of which are echoed in the Dead Sea Scrolls. An example of this is the Samuel Scroll which is a Hebrew text that aligns more with the LXX than it does the Masoretic Text.
I agree. But the problem is modern Bible translators merge them together for you based on their own personal opinions about which reading is older. This causes you to lose transparency in the various text traditions. The perfect power team is probably a strict LXX translation (like the Lexham Septuagint) and a strict Masoretic translation (like JPS) which you can reference back and forth. having a one bible translation from each tradition is better than one Bible merging all the traditions.
When you Read 1st & 2nd Ezra [ Esdras ], 1st & 2nd Esdras (Levite not Joo (Apochryphal Text) youll understand that the books he had rewritten through Gods instruction. Was so important and other Apochryphal Texts.
I've learned many interesting things that I can agree with in this episode. But I did detect some errors The trade routes that ran through the Levant to and from Egypt ran south and north, not through the harsh Dead Sea area. The Dead Sea was where people who wanted to isolate themselves from others survived (and perhaps hosted guests). The Essenes were that type of people, and the Dead Sea climate was seen as a way to preserve texts away from the epicenters of wars and the End-time Alexandria: The Jewish soldiers were so important to the success of Alexander the Great that his successor, Ptolemy, gave a quarter of the city to the Jewish community. (The origin of the use of "the (Ethnic) Quarter of a city") The LXX scholars were most likely from that Greco-Jewish community, not so much from Nationalist Jews Read about the differences between the prophet traditions of Judea vs Israel. Read what the Talmud says about the rabbis of Galilee. Joshua (Jesus) belonged to the Israeli tradition. My favorite example is: The locals went to a rabbi that was famous for performing miracle, complaining about a snake that kept biting passersby. The rabbi stuck his heel inside its burrow and when the snake bit it, it died! He placed the body around his neck and declared to the onlookers, "See? It is sin that kills!". The Talmud recognized his abilities, but, true to being Pharisee, it criticized him, a holy man, for touching a dead body "Pharisee": Linguists say one of its possible origins is "Persian". The religion of the Persians - who conquered Babylonia and set the Exiles free - were Zoroastrianism. Zoroastrianism was the only monotheistic religion of its time (though with a dualistic element, similar to those who believe in the temporary power of Satan over the Earth). So it is natural that the Pharisees wanted to add more syncretic elements to the Bible. Like how since colonial times, many Christian elements are adopted by non-Christian sects. The Sadducees had the purer tradition. And the Samaritans had the purer purer pre-David traditions Scribal tradition? What did the Solomonic Temple have? The Saul-David government? The Judges? The post-Exile 'scribes' took writing outside of the official institutions The New Testament ignores the many, many Greco-style polis in Judea, etc. Each held Temple-Gymnastic-Park complexes where it wasn't religion that was important but the different schools of philosophy (life-style choices). Some passages of the Gospels can be traced back to the pre-Koine, classical philosophers (Like how the proselytizing disciples should carry with them no more than the proselytizing cynics)
The Dead Sea Scrolls, as well as Jubilees , the Book of Enoch (both of which were found in Qumran) is where you'll find the Biblical Calendar. So Important for true Beleivers.
They have found the Book of Esther says Dr. James Tabor, someone had spilled wine on the ms. They’ve found all of the O.T. Books though not the complete texts of any save the Isaiah Scroll.
Ive found links inot the Levities, aka The Sons of Zadok in Jeremiah, were the ones in the Wildernes(Desert) look to John the Bapstist who Isaiah 40 spoke of Crying out in the Wilderness. These were Temple Scrolls, when you learn than John Baptists Father was Zecharia was killed in the Temple Matthew 23, also Damascus was where it was Named then, where Saul renamed Paul was Blinded on the Road where Ananias unblinded him
What a great podcast. such depth and knowledge. God bless y’all
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Well done Christian brothers!
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We should use the Septuagint and Dead Sea Scrolls and use the Masoretic Text less.
And we should use the Majority Text method for the New Testament.
David Daniels recently made a new video about the sinaiticus: Russian scholars rejected it, and the material was too perfect for its assumed age.
That would be a very accurate Bible. Unfortunately, Masoretic-Text-Onlyism is deeply embedded in the Protestant Tradition and probably won't go anywhere anytime soon.
@@OrthodoxPhilip God bless the LXX
These men have in correct historical information, and give a major win to Judaism and a blow back to "Christianity". Shalom❤😊
These men are both committed Christians who understand that the Jews are wrong in their beliefs, in as much as they do not recognize Jesus is the Messiah
However they also recognize that God has specifically called out the Jewish people for a purpose.
“What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.” - Romans 3:1-2
Thank you for watching!
@@BibleCentral but they use the Jewish canon for their old testamate which inherently proves no Messia. "God is not a man," see Ezekiel. These men can off no proof the spirit of the lord is upon them. Shalom.
they will see the one whom they pierced, but no one can see God. it's their Christ who they rejected so Abraham's blessings came to the goyim. as prophesied.
@@captainmarvel76927 Daniel 9:27
@@timeoftheend7156 not really, and actually the Hebrew text of Daniel actually makes it worse for u. If u go with the masoretic u tie ur self to that canon list. Moreover, the masoretic text is laid upon the foundation of an oral Tora tradition, aka passed through speaking. You all don't believe that, thus another problem arises. Shalom.
Easy question! Since Paul quoted from the LXX; we should use it.
Unfortunately, many people are more loyal to the opinions of the KJV translators than they are to Paul.
@@OrthodoxPhilip Agreed. And the texts that the KJV translators had were rather late as well. There is more evidence for accuracy in the Latin Vulgate by Jerome from the 400AD. At lest him and his fellows used 300AD texts to make that translation. The Septuagint rocks in my opinion.
Great info. Keep it coming!
Thanks!
Very Honest 🙏🏽
Thanks for watching!
"Nor should we garner the little bone that's there and then say 'well, yep, the Septuagint is legit and it's the one we should all be using', which is exactly what's going on, is the elevation of the Septuagint based on this tiny little fragment bone."
That's not what's happening. What's happening is the Dead Sea Scrolls show that the LXX was translated from a different Hebrew text than the Masoreitc Text. So, many differences between the Masoretic Text and Septuagint are not due to the LXX translators mistakes, but due to differences in the various Hebrew lines of transmission. We suspect, as the early Church fathers have repeatedly said, that after the LXX was produced, the Jews edited the Hebrew text and it's that text which is the ancestor of the Masoretic Text. We have very good reasons now to believe that the LXX preserves older readings, many of which are echoed in the Dead Sea Scrolls. An example of this is the Samuel Scroll which is a Hebrew text that aligns more with the LXX than it does the Masoretic Text.
"why not both?"
*Everyone cheers*
Is “this” the word of God, or is “that” the word of God?
Apologists: “Yes”
I agree. But the problem is modern Bible translators merge them together for you based on their own personal opinions about which reading is older. This causes you to lose transparency in the various text traditions.
The perfect power team is probably a strict LXX translation (like the Lexham Septuagint) and a strict Masoretic translation (like JPS) which you can reference back and forth. having a one bible translation from each tradition is better than one Bible merging all the traditions.
When you Read 1st & 2nd Ezra [ Esdras ], 1st & 2nd Esdras (Levite not Joo (Apochryphal Text) youll understand that the books he had rewritten through Gods instruction. Was so important and other Apochryphal Texts.
I've learned many interesting things that I can agree with in this episode. But I did detect some errors
The trade routes that ran through the Levant to and from Egypt ran south and north, not through the harsh Dead Sea area. The Dead Sea was where people who wanted to isolate themselves from others survived (and perhaps hosted guests). The Essenes were that type of people, and the Dead Sea climate was seen as a way to preserve texts away from the epicenters of wars and the End-time
Alexandria: The Jewish soldiers were so important to the success of Alexander the Great that his successor, Ptolemy, gave a quarter of the city to the Jewish community. (The origin of the use of "the (Ethnic) Quarter of a city") The LXX scholars were most likely from that Greco-Jewish community, not so much from Nationalist Jews
Read about the differences between the prophet traditions of Judea vs Israel. Read what the Talmud says about the rabbis of Galilee. Joshua (Jesus) belonged to the Israeli tradition. My favorite example is: The locals went to a rabbi that was famous for performing miracle, complaining about a snake that kept biting passersby. The rabbi stuck his heel inside its burrow and when the snake bit it, it died! He placed the body around his neck and declared to the onlookers, "See? It is sin that kills!". The Talmud recognized his abilities, but, true to being Pharisee, it criticized him, a holy man, for touching a dead body
"Pharisee": Linguists say one of its possible origins is "Persian". The religion of the Persians - who conquered Babylonia and set the Exiles free - were Zoroastrianism. Zoroastrianism was the only monotheistic religion of its time (though with a dualistic element, similar to those who believe in the temporary power of Satan over the Earth). So it is natural that the Pharisees wanted to add more syncretic elements to the Bible. Like how since colonial times, many Christian elements are adopted by non-Christian sects. The Sadducees had the purer tradition. And the Samaritans had the purer purer pre-David traditions
Scribal tradition? What did the Solomonic Temple have? The Saul-David government? The Judges? The post-Exile 'scribes' took writing outside of the official institutions
The New Testament ignores the many, many Greco-style polis in Judea, etc. Each held Temple-Gymnastic-Park complexes where it wasn't religion that was important but the different schools of philosophy (life-style choices). Some passages of the Gospels can be traced back to the pre-Koine, classical philosophers (Like how the proselytizing disciples should carry with them no more than the proselytizing cynics)
The Dead Sea Scrolls, as well as Jubilees , the Book of Enoch (both of which were found in Qumran) is where you'll find the Biblical Calendar. So Important for true Beleivers.
There's missing pieces to the calendar if you don't have Enoch and jubilees?
They have found the Book of Esther says Dr. James Tabor, someone had spilled wine on the ms. They’ve found all of the O.T. Books though not the complete texts of any save the Isaiah Scroll.
Fascinating! We’ll have to look into that
Thank you for mentioning this. I heard about it too, but very few seem to have gotten the memo.
Ive found links inot the Levities, aka The Sons of Zadok in Jeremiah, were the ones in the Wildernes(Desert) look to John the Bapstist who Isaiah 40 spoke of Crying out in the Wilderness. These were Temple Scrolls, when you learn than John Baptists Father was Zecharia was killed in the Temple Matthew 23, also Damascus was where it was Named then, where Saul renamed Paul was Blinded on the Road where Ananias unblinded him
Dead Sea Scrolls were from the Levites, Ultimately John the Baptist, who was In the Wilderness Calling the name of Yah.
hand in hand back to Rome and against jews like a yesuit.