It just rose to the top of mine, too. I’m still going to test a 2022 Bronson asap, but really, I’m pretty sure I won’t want the 29 on my bike at all - even if it’s just in front. -_-
Yea that oxblood is giving me vampire lust. I'm still on 27.5 at the moment and don't really want to go 29'r so I'm glad companies are still making 650b bikes that rip. Having owned a 2019 Bronson I already know the suspension platform is great. This is at the very top of my list now.
Totally love it, riding my 2020 Bronson but in rough terrain full of rocks gardens here, I am thinking about this beast. I am just little bit afraid about how difficult will be riding nomad all day in mountains compared with bronson.
Got a feeling this will age very very well. Both in tech, looks and ride-ability. I feel like tech has matured to the point where this will easily be relevant for years and years.
So, geometry wise, what're the differences between the new one vs the old Nomad 4? I have a Nomad 4 CC but if the new changes are worth it, I might get the frame-only option and swap all my stuff.
head angles are about a 1-degree slacker, reaches are longer across the board (10mm longer on our medium), seat angles are about 3 to 4 degrees steeper. seat tubes are shorter and chainstay lengths are size specific.
too bad you didn't mentioned the very very interesting fact that you can actually shorten and extend the travel of the bike - at least in theory. the shock has 62.5mm stroke - you can extended it to 65 to get +5/10mm of travel, or shorten it to 60mm to get -5/10. I think that is a great option for different applications - when you shorten it, it will stiffen up a bit and vice versa, go plusher when you extend it. will that also change a bit of the HA, SA, and BB? same goes for growing or losing 2 teeth on the chainring - so a lot of options there. would like to know if that was made on purpose, so you can do this, or is it just a lucky brake for the rider. is it expensive? heck yeah - that's why I ride YT. also, can't really go back to lesser progressive bikes, so I get to save 8.7K's... lol
Slayer would hit that... but on a side note ... the base model nomad is probably the best bang for the buck... last gen nomad aluminum started out at 4k... if the carbon model starts out at 4k ... thats a steal
Oxblood is sick! The Medium has numbers that I teally like. 450mm Reach, the 1225mm WB, 64 Deg HTA, and the 78 deg STA, but I would prefer 5mm longer chainstay. Top Tube length is about 15-20mm shorter than traditional.mediums, but still very doable. Now SC just needs a Mullett Nomad with the same numbers!
Slayer would hit it! Lol multiple shots fired! Love the humor y’all provide and prefer your reviews since the terrain better translates to what I ride vs Squamish
I want one! I have an original 2005 Nomad: my 3 kids have all had their time on it growing up. It still rides on with the youngest 14 year old! I would buy the lower spec for cost but would slowly upgrade stuff as parts wear out.
Mine is Nomad V-5 CC Oxblood Medium size, DHX2 on trhe rear and FOX 38 180 Shiny Orange on the front..., very nice to ride, more stable on root and more grip on berm...., the Best....!!!!
Just threw a Fox 38 on my 2019 Bronson. Stoked!! Maybe in a couple years I'll get that 2021 Nomad. But I've never trail ridden a 29'er so things might change.
Slayer would hit it Now that I'm done - shame there's no alloy option, hoping that will come next year. The alloy Nomad was good value for the money, and a sweet park rig.
I dont understand how santa cruz is coming out with new bikes when they cant fulfill the orders for the current bikes? I ordered a hightower the first week of june and just got it 3 days ago. Most manufactures are saying they cannot deliver bikes till the middle of next year, how is SC going to deliver these? What about all the bikes that have been ordered months ago that they cant deliver?
As someone who doesn't know about bikes, I'm genuinely curious why some cost as much as a small hatch back in the U.K? What Engineering are you paying for??
this is VERY general, but the same reason a porsche costs more than a yaris. volume of production is part of it (number of high end parts vs mass produced parts) and it comes down to materials used and overall weight of the parts. light carbon or precisely machined metal parts on an expensive build vs heavier stamped parts on less expensive builds.
slayer would hit it.. but dope bike very well put together review but how does one pick from a sea of the same what makes S.C, Canyon, Polygon, Cannondale, Evil, and Alchemy bikes Differ? i have a Cannondale Trail Two Hard Tail Looking to upgrade in the spring.
that's the question we all face. so many bikes are so good, you almost can't go wrong these days (aside from any customer service issues that could come up). availability may be your biggest decision-maker.
Hey guys, just clarifying what you mentioned about the dropper post. Is it possible to run a 175mm post on on a medium and have it slammed to the collar?
When we talked to Santa Cruz about it they said that in order to preserve the geometry and handling characteristics of the bike, one would have to reduce the fork travel considerably, which would again, compromise what the bike is. It has been our experience that in mulleting a bike, it is best to start with a 29er that has a flip-chip and swap the rear wheel, putting the chip in the "high" position. Though our findings are more subjective than conclusive.
Slayer would hit it! I love this machine. I ride a 2022 V4 S build 5010 in size Large but with Carbon Reserve 30 (DT Swiss Hubs) wheel upgrade I'm the almost same height 1" taller at 5'10" but same 30" inseam as Brad so should I be riding a size Medium in the Nomad and for that matter the 5010? When I bought that bike in October 2021 the medium just left me feeling too cramped? I'm buying a Nomad (X01 AXS Reserve Kit) this week as I hear the 2023 will go mullet and prefer the 27.5 setup. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK Vital MTB WE IN THE UK LOVE YOU GUYS!!!
I have been waiting for this release for months as I am building a new Nomad for 2021. Almost bought the 2020 frame because I was tired of waiting. Damn glad I didn't. 2021 Nomad CC frame in Oxblood order going in now!
@@Trucking_Tom got it from my local shop. Went in and asked them what they had coming and put down a deposit and told them whatever comes first is mine! Can't be to picky this year. Bike is amazing! Hands down the most playful and fun bike I think I've ridden. I've done everything from huge bike park days to chill local laps on it and it handles everything with ease. Highly highly recommended! Will likely be keeping this bike till they drop a new gen
That color in the sun looks pretty outstanding! The green looks really sweet too. XO1 and XT builds are a little too pricey, looks like xt build doesn't even have carbon wheels. Seems the XO1 carbon wheels are just DT swiss. Too pricey for what your getting on these builds. I wonder about Cascade components creating a link for this?
With the permutations of builds and options, keeping track of pricing can be a bit tricky. Any builds that feature carbon wheels will be Santa Cruz's Reserve rims, with a lifetime warranty. The standard (alloy rim) builds of these bikes are in line with many other brands specs. The $6,199 for the XT build is the same price as Devinici's new Troy XT LTD.
Well, shit. Was happy with my Nomad 4 & planning on just picking up a 38 Fork for it. Looks like there may be some “Ox Blood” in 2021. Great work guys. Where were you riding? Looks a bit like Utah.
this year i have sold my specialized stumpjumper 2017 carbon to buy some enduro and XC bike. ended up building 2018 Nomad V4 CC with FOX 36 elite,shimano XT 12s+XX1 carbon cranks,XA-elite wheels tubeless,carbon handlebar from NS,shimano saint brakes and few other things for around 2,500$. No need for XC so far after using climb switch on suspension. I'm impresed how this super enduro machine can go up... i do rlly mean that. My previous stumpy (forgot to say that was mullet) couldn't climb half that good with half of SC susp. Also Nomad weight less. But this new nomad should be called V4.5 cuz not that much have changed like V2 vs V3 or V3 vs V4
Yet it has nifty features for ease of maintenance such as tube in tube, but nothing makes it stand out such as in frame storage. SC is getting long in the tooth as the majority of good brands get the same features. I love my Hightower V2, but I wish I bought the Specialized Enduro.
This is an awesome bike and I'd absolutely love one because mountain biking is so good for your mental health amongst other things, but let's be honest most people can't even afford to spend $8,000 on a car these days let alone a bicycle. Most decent mountain bikes are slowly creeping further and further away from the average Joe in terms of affordability. I can only hope I win the lottery!
Not a 27.5 guy but If i did I would probably go with the mach 6. Price wise it's a good value for what you get. It's the lower models in the lineup that are overpriced. Once you hit the 4k mark you shouldn't see a nx drivetrain. Minimum should be gx imo
Interesting proposal. Pivot does not even offer a bike at that price point, they start at $6,000 for GX parts. The comparable X01 Mach 6 is $9,000 and lacks carbon wheels as well as a lesser-expensive (but still good) FOX 36.
@@vitalmtb I was saying that the higher end Santa Cruz is a good price point. It’s their lower tier bikes I think are too high. I talked about the pivot because of the dw which I prefer over vpp. I know pivots aren’t cheap
yeah, the santa cruz bike developers said they played around w/ mullet on this bike, but the need for a 150mm 29er fork to keep geometry in check didn't seem worth it.
I can't trust any reviews on big bikes from vital because their terrain just looks so mellow. Honestly everything they ride looks like it would be better on a 125 trail bike.
Oxblood Red or Green and Pink?
Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
1:08 - Nomad Weight
1:52 - Nomad Frame Details & Geometry
2:44 - Nomad Frame Refinements
3:49 - Models and Prices
5:08 - Ride Impressions
7:26 - Coil or Air Shock?
9:35 - Longer Dropper Would Be Nice
10:22 - Conclusion
Oxblood Red for sure
Red obviously.
I will get it in Green featuring the pink sc letters its perfect and not so boring like darker colours
@@bfranco1519 düd düd thats just weird
I got the Adler green and magenta. But to be honest I regret not getting the oxblood one.
i love when bike company's release new bikes that don't change that much from the previous version because you can find killer deals on the last gen
It just rose to the top of mine, too. I’m still going to test a 2022 Bronson asap, but really, I’m pretty sure I won’t want the 29 on my bike at all - even if it’s just in front. -_-
Yea that oxblood is giving me vampire lust. I'm still on 27.5 at the moment and don't really want to go 29'r so I'm glad companies are still making 650b bikes that rip. Having owned a 2019 Bronson I already know the suspension platform is great. This is at the very top of my list now.
“Where does the nomad preform best”
“Yes”
Best for homeless nomadic individuals
JUST as I was getting stoked to see you’d include an “S” build review, ya cut me short. 😂
First non ebike review to watch in over a year. Do i miss my nomad. Yes it was great. but..... its BULLIT TIME!!!
heck yes to the bullit! th-cam.com/video/-n2mtGge5tM/w-d-xo.html
And that geo is so perfect on the large. Maybe a slightly longer chain stay would be cool.
Totally love it, riding my 2020 Bronson but in rough terrain full of rocks gardens here, I am thinking about this beast. I am just little bit afraid about how difficult will be riding nomad all day in mountains compared with bronson.
As if the Nomad doesnt need anymore spice? You guys even made it even more Tasty!!! I can taste how delicious how bike is. Good Job Brothers!!!
Got a feeling this will age very very well. Both in tech, looks and ride-ability. I feel like tech has matured to the point where this will easily be relevant for years and years.
Been loving my Nomad(s) for over a decade. It does everything, one amazing bike and well worth it.
Yea, every time I test an $8k+ bike it's always been pretty good.
freaky
I still love the canyon torque, good value of money and it's a beast on any kind of trails.
Slayer would DEF hit it, waiting on the next production run for this cc frame in this colorway 😉
th-cam.com/video/D0TaIhUNnpY/w-d-xo.html
So, geometry wise, what're the differences between the new one vs the old Nomad 4?
I have a Nomad 4 CC but if the new changes are worth it, I might get the frame-only option and swap all my stuff.
head angles are about a 1-degree slacker, reaches are longer across the board (10mm longer on our medium), seat angles are about 3 to 4 degrees steeper. seat tubes are shorter and chainstay lengths are size specific.
too bad you didn't mentioned the very very interesting fact that you can actually shorten and extend the travel of the bike - at least in theory.
the shock has 62.5mm stroke - you can extended it to 65 to get +5/10mm of travel, or shorten it to 60mm to get -5/10. I think that is a great option for different applications - when you shorten it, it will stiffen up a bit and vice versa, go plusher when you extend it. will that also change a bit of the HA, SA, and BB? same goes for growing or losing 2 teeth on the chainring - so a lot of options there.
would like to know if that was made on purpose, so you can do this, or is it just a lucky brake for the rider.
is it expensive? heck yeah - that's why I ride YT.
also, can't really go back to lesser progressive bikes, so I get to save 8.7K's...
lol
Slayer would hit that... but on a side note ... the base model nomad is probably the best bang for the buck... last gen nomad aluminum started out at 4k... if the carbon model starts out at 4k ... thats a steal
Those 27.5 long travel playful bikes are the best for me ...
I own a Nomad V5 oxblood, and have watched this video more times than I care to admit.
Amazing audio quality on those intros/outros.
Oxblood is sick! The Medium has numbers that I teally like. 450mm Reach, the 1225mm WB, 64 Deg HTA, and the 78 deg STA, but I would prefer 5mm longer chainstay. Top Tube length is about 15-20mm shorter than traditional.mediums, but still very doable. Now SC just needs a Mullett Nomad with the same numbers!
So what your height, bro?
Where do you guys ride in the winter in Boise?
just literally bought this today i love it!
Slayer would hit it! Lol multiple shots fired! Love the humor y’all provide and prefer your reviews since the terrain better translates to what I ride vs Squamish
How does is compare to the Norco Shore?
Your 2010 Nomad still had a triple chainring?! My 2004 Santa Cruz Blur 4X had a single up front!
Edit: Slayer would hit it
that was stock for the bike!!! and let's be clear, i'm no mark weir HAHA. blur 4x, the original kick-ass trail bike.
th-cam.com/video/D0TaIhUNnpY/w-d-xo.html
I want one! I have an original 2005 Nomad: my 3 kids have all had their time on it growing up. It still rides on with the youngest 14 year old!
I would buy the lower spec for cost but would slowly upgrade stuff as parts wear out.
that's awesome!
Slayer would hit it
th-cam.com/video/D0TaIhUNnpY/w-d-xo.html
What size bike is he using also how tall is he for a rough size guide
I purchase an oxblood Nomad C S and its absolutely brilliant; a true do-it-all bike!
Slayer would crash it! Love the Boise riding footage, sweet vid.
Is the Decal Colore realy gold or more Kashima ?
Hi can i ask? Is this the new model of santa cruz?
Mine is Nomad V-5 CC Oxblood Medium size, DHX2 on trhe rear and FOX 38 180 Shiny Orange on the front..., very nice to ride, more stable on root and more grip on berm...., the Best....!!!!
I have a 12 nomad carbon and have been drooling over the new ones. Is it worth upgrading?
Just threw a Fox 38 on my 2019 Bronson. Stoked!! Maybe in a couple years I'll get that 2021 Nomad. But I've never trail ridden a 29'er so things might change.
Slayer would hit it
Now that I'm done - shame there's no alloy option, hoping that will come next year. The alloy Nomad was good value for the money, and a sweet park rig.
I wonder how it compares to Nukeproof Mega & Giga?
Yeah awesome bike,ETA for delivery? 2022?
slayer would DEFINITELY hit it
Are you planning to review marin alpine trail this year?
You should do another long travel 27.5/28er test again, nobody does it quite as well as vital!
I'm glad seeing not all the bike manufacturs consider 27,5 dead. Well, now I have a reason to save money and get a nomad ahahah
I dont understand how santa cruz is coming out with new bikes when they cant fulfill the orders for the current bikes? I ordered a hightower the first week of june and just got it 3 days ago. Most manufactures are saying they cannot deliver bikes till the middle of next year, how is SC going to deliver these? What about all the bikes that have been ordered months ago that they cant deliver?
Strange the fork crown is backwards.
Hi Guys, witch pants is wearing the rider in black? AF?? which brand please? For the rest Nomad is top!!
Can i combine 160 travel fork to NV5?
As someone who doesn't know about bikes, I'm genuinely curious why some cost as much as a small hatch back in the U.K? What Engineering are you paying for??
this is VERY general, but the same reason a porsche costs more than a yaris. volume of production is part of it (number of high end parts vs mass produced parts) and it comes down to materials used and overall weight of the parts. light carbon or precisely machined metal parts on an expensive build vs heavier stamped parts on less expensive builds.
slayer would hit it.. but dope bike very well put together review but how does one pick from a sea of the same what makes S.C, Canyon, Polygon, Cannondale, Evil, and Alchemy bikes Differ? i have a Cannondale Trail Two Hard Tail Looking to upgrade in the spring.
that's the question we all face. so many bikes are so good, you almost can't go wrong these days (aside from any customer service issues that could come up). availability may be your biggest decision-maker.
Hey guys, just clarifying what you mentioned about the dropper post. Is it possible to run a 175mm post on on a medium and have it slammed to the collar?
The life time pivot bearings replacement joke is so funny😊
I had N2, N3, just sold my N4, its time for V to strike back
Which knee pads does the rider use?
Exceptional video as always
Called it! Beautiful bike 😍
Good time in school with this vid
yessir!
Vital do you, or anyone else for that matter have any further details on why Santa Cruz is specifically advising not to mullet this bike?
When we talked to Santa Cruz about it they said that in order to preserve the geometry and handling characteristics of the bike, one would have to reduce the fork travel considerably, which would again, compromise what the bike is.
It has been our experience that in mulleting a bike, it is best to start with a 29er that has a flip-chip and swap the rear wheel, putting the chip in the "high" position. Though our findings are more subjective than conclusive.
@@vitalmtb Gotcha. Thanks for the quick response 👍
Is this a kids bike review!?
How short is that TT!?
7:54 this had me stressing out
Slayer would hit it! I love this machine. I ride a 2022 V4 S build 5010 in size Large but with Carbon Reserve 30 (DT Swiss Hubs) wheel upgrade I'm the almost same height 1" taller at 5'10" but same 30" inseam as Brad so should I be riding a size Medium in the Nomad and for that matter the 5010? When I bought that bike in October 2021 the medium just left me feeling too cramped? I'm buying a Nomad (X01 AXS Reserve Kit) this week as I hear the 2023 will go mullet and prefer the 27.5 setup. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK Vital MTB WE IN THE UK LOVE YOU GUYS!!!
And im still rocking my Nomad 2 I built in 2009.
keep it rocking!
I have been waiting for this release for months as I am building a new Nomad for 2021. Almost bought the 2020 frame because I was tired of waiting. Damn glad I didn't. 2021 Nomad CC frame in Oxblood order going in now!
Did you get it? How is it?
@@Trucking_Tom got it from my local shop. Went in and asked them what they had coming and put down a deposit and told them whatever comes first is mine!
Can't be to picky this year.
Bike is amazing! Hands down the most playful and fun bike I think I've ridden. I've done everything from huge bike park days to chill local laps on it and it handles everything with ease. Highly highly recommended! Will likely be keeping this bike till they drop a new gen
@@freerideinkmtb2420 sounds awesome bud! Glad you managed to get your hands on one! Gonna have to be my next bike I think
That color in the sun looks pretty outstanding! The green looks really sweet too. XO1 and XT builds are a little too pricey, looks like xt build doesn't even have carbon wheels. Seems the XO1 carbon wheels are just DT swiss. Too pricey for what your getting on these builds. I wonder about Cascade components creating a link for this?
With the permutations of builds and options, keeping track of pricing can be a bit tricky.
Any builds that feature carbon wheels will be Santa Cruz's Reserve rims, with a lifetime warranty. The standard (alloy rim) builds of these bikes are in line with many other brands specs. The $6,199 for the XT build is the same price as Devinici's new Troy XT LTD.
Slayer would hit it. 😂 How tough is the carbon, tough enough to to take a few rock strikes or is a vinyl coat adviced?
My only full sus bike is still a 2018 Nomad V4. Until SC comes out with radical Improvement, I am not spending another $$$$ on a full sus bike.
Why is Slayer hitting something?
Did Brad feel the need to upsize to a Large?
Awesome bike!
Looking forward to getting it! The XT version that is, I refuse to spend more than 7 on a bike
Well, shit. Was happy with my Nomad 4 & planning on just picking up a 38 Fork for it. Looks like there may be some “Ox Blood” in 2021. Great work guys. Where were you riding? Looks a bit like Utah.
this year i have sold my specialized stumpjumper 2017 carbon to buy some enduro and XC bike. ended up building 2018 Nomad V4 CC with FOX 36 elite,shimano XT 12s+XX1 carbon cranks,XA-elite wheels tubeless,carbon handlebar from NS,shimano saint brakes and few other things for around 2,500$. No need for XC so far after using climb switch on suspension. I'm impresed how this super enduro machine can go up... i do rlly mean that. My previous stumpy (forgot to say that was mullet) couldn't climb half that good with half of SC susp. Also Nomad weight less. But this new nomad should be called V4.5 cuz not that much have changed like V2 vs V3 or V3 vs V4
Slayer would hit it. Just sold my v4 going to pick up a v5 before next season
You should bring back the old 2010 design or 2013 design
How much this bicycle?
New to the channel, I don't know who slayer is, but apparently he will hit it :-)
@1:00 dude, are you rocking sandles with socks?!?!
Slayer would hit it?
I just got this bike today!😁
Yet it has nifty features for ease of maintenance such as tube in tube, but nothing makes it stand out such as in frame storage. SC is getting long in the tooth as the majority of good brands get the same features. I love my Hightower V2, but I wish I bought the Specialized Enduro.
This is an awesome bike and I'd absolutely love one because mountain biking is so good for your mental health amongst other things, but let's be honest most people can't even afford to spend $8,000 on a car these days let alone a bicycle. Most decent mountain bikes are slowly creeping further and further away from the average Joe in terms of affordability. I can only hope I win the lottery!
check out our $2,000 MTB shootout th-cam.com/video/DSYwTlth1oc/w-d-xo.html a lot of great bikes at good prices.
@@vitalmtb hey thanks for the info on that! much appreciated and your channel is superb! I'll take a look 👍
Nuke proof mega 290 Review please!!!!
Una joya en detalles , un abrazo desde Perú
Awesome bike! Is it a better climber than a Megatower ? Also, this or the Slash for an all rounder, versatile long travel?
Good job guys, keep up?
Does anyone have any good ideas for MTB Shoes, Flat or Clipless size 16/17??
Not a 27.5 guy but If i did I would probably go with the mach 6. Price wise it's a good value for what you get. It's the lower models in the lineup that are overpriced. Once you hit the 4k mark you shouldn't see a nx drivetrain. Minimum should be gx imo
Interesting proposal. Pivot does not even offer a bike at that price point, they start at $6,000 for GX parts. The comparable X01 Mach 6 is $9,000 and lacks carbon wheels as well as a lesser-expensive (but still good) FOX 36.
@@vitalmtb I was saying that the higher end Santa Cruz is a good price point. It’s their lower tier bikes I think are too high. I talked about the pivot because of the dw which I prefer over vpp. I know pivots aren’t cheap
Sounds like a Nomad vs Magatower comparison is in order🤙🏼
I ordered myself the x01 CC reserve last month, just hope it will be here by August 😩
You wouldn’t think its that hard to order a top build bike. Lol
I have a nomad cc xo1 reserve and it retails for$9599.
Well since the Mullet thing is so hyped i was expecting brands marketing steering towards releasing mulletbikes like crazy, NOT yet iguess.
yeah, the santa cruz bike developers said they played around w/ mullet on this bike, but the need for a 150mm 29er fork to keep geometry in check didn't seem worth it.
Riview polygon dong omm
hopefully they increase the reach next gen. also 32lb is light as my 18 carbon nomad was 36
Review the new sentinel v2 !!!!!
Big fan brø 😍🙀 it's really really good bïkë 🥰
I have one really starting to love it
Those bike prices are getting ridiculous. where does it end $20k ?
I can't trust any reviews on big bikes from vital because their terrain just looks so mellow. Honestly everything they ride looks like it would be better on a 125 trail bike.
They still can't get the seat angle right
Not a fan of that colour but love a 27.5 beast! Only the price is... Prohibitive!
Micael Pereira how can you not like the color? It’s so cool
@@elifalatko1005 personal preferences
Slayer would. Hit it!
Slayer would hit it Philippines I love Santa Cruz Bike!❤️🎊
Vital>>Pinkbike