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@@MiharuTheFox Is it just me, or even though it’s very obviously tacked on for the sake of fan service, the relationship between Spyro and Cynder actually feels earned? Spyro sounds like he’s genuinely lovesick for her in Eternal Night, and their companionship in Dawn Of The Dragon. It just feels like it fits for me.
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Hopefully TfB brings her back in a new game. She came back in the Skylanders series, and became a bit of a prominent character in Skylanders Academy (where she was absolutely adorable).
I already left a long comment about this, but to keep it brief: yes, I definitely think she has a huge amount of potential if she were to be reintroduced into the series in the future. And considering how popular she is (she'd even be one of the main reasons why I personally would want to play the LoS series), I think it only makes sense that they bring her back in a future installment
That is because spyro does not have a ton of personality in it, in my opinion. Even in the original trilogy, a lot of his personality came through while he interacted with SPARKX. So without the sassy commentary between those two, you don't have a ton left from Spyro. That is the real shame. But it has been well over 10 years since I last played the games, so perhaps I am misremembering
@@Thesakuraharona In the Legend trilogy, Spyro is unsure of himself. He’s always curious. So I’d say his personality is more prominent than it was in the original trilogy.
@@FirestarTonight I saw Spyro as a very humble protagonist. He's basically like Bilbo from LotR (ironically both being played by Elijah Wood). He's a hero who has no real interest in fame or fortune; but doing the right thing just for the sake of it. And once the threat is dealt with, he'd return to his quiet life in some remote part of the world. You did mention that he's curious, which is true, but he's also adventurous. He's also more openly compassionate and more patient than OG Spyro. He's also pretty intelligent, as he was able to understand Volteer's ramblings and wide vocabulary, translating what he said to Sparx. He's also nowhere near as arrogant and cocky as OG Spyro; he's aware of his limits and has no problems accepting help from others.
Thats a great way of putting it. Her personality and demeanour in DotD is like a rebellious phase as pretty much nearly all teenagers go through only hers has a sharp tongue and quick wit. I can agree @forveiin about the scales changing colour. It's thanks to Spyro's dedication to help her and their eventual love for each other that helps her heal and become more free.
@millo7295 I have no idea what you’re trying to say, but what I meant when I said her scales were “changing colour” was that she was physically healing from the corruption. As in, if she wasn’t corrupted by Malefor, she would have been just as vibrant as she is in the games. It has nothing to do with being “good or bad.” It’s just a headcanon I came up with when I was 12. Chill out.
Cynder being Malefor's daughter in Skylander's makes her seem like a Raven (Teen Titans) clone... It would have been even more obvious if they kept her original personality, rather than making her cheerful and goofy. Not a change I like, as the video says; it flattens their original relationship of being a kidnapped orphan and their master/captor.
@@FuzzyDreamin Well Academy Cynder was a different take on the character. She already had a backstory clone in her main Skylanders counterpart, it would’ve been repetitive and unoriginal if she was given the same backstory for the 3rd time in a row.
Also the fact that after he introduction episode she basically became a background character, then at the end of season 2 she got captured by malefor and they didnt save her until the second to last episode of season 3
Tbh I just don't like Skylander malefor at all. I haven't read the comics, but I don't like unserious he is sometimes. It works for kaos because it's kaos, but not malefor
@@DragonQueen-ox8dk The Malefor in the IDW comics is very much like his original Legend of Spyro counterpart, just as ruthless and evil. I recommend reading Skylanders: Return of the Dragon King comic story arc. :)
@@CrystalBlazier Yeah I would like to see Cynder back too but not if she's gonna be a copycat clone of her Legend Self and she needs to be black not purple.
I know it's never gonna happen, but even as someone who grew up on the OG Spyro trilogy and only played TLOS in my early teens, there is no videogame on planet Earth that I would want more than a continuation of Spyro and Cyner's story after Dawn of the Dragon. Imagine an open world game with the two of them all grown up. It would be a dream come true.
I grew up with OG spyro and originally disliked this series a good deal, but I admit as a remake it is good. But I also liked enter the dragonfly somewhat and pretty much all the other spyro games, so yeah. I never cared for skylanders, so I do not know what they did with the characters other than really botch poor spyro. He looked awful. Cynders figure looked cool so I did grab hers on the cheap once. It would be nice if they would remake this trilogy and expand upon it (and give us a better ending quite frankly). Insomniac did a great job redoing the og set, but no clue if they will do this one or if they would even be allowed to do so
@@Thesakuraharona Reignited wasn't remade by Insomniac, it was by Toys for Bob (same company that made Skylanders). I'll always play any new Spyro game that comes out, I'm glad that Spyro is still a thing after all these years and hasn't been left behnd like Jak or Sly franchises for example.. However, after the TLOS series, I'll always crave for a more mature take on Spyro rather than the OG children's collectathon genre. Also never played Skylanders. Personally I'd much prefer a continuation of the story than a remake. However, for starters it'd be great if TLOS was simply playable on modern consoles. Released as PS2/3 classics. I think that's the least they could do to give this series justice, allow people today to experience these games and go from there.
Dawn of the Dragon was incredible. I hadn't played Spyro since the very first game. Then Dawn of the Dragon comes out and they finally have almost true flight. I was hooked. Then I play that and figure out "Wait, this is the 3rd part of a trilogy? I gotta play the first two." Tracked both of those down and, to be fair, some of the toughest games I had played but still excellent. I also want more of that storyline. And I would love to see Spyro and Cynder's kids, lol.
I'm gonna be honest, SpyroxCynder was the first ship I remember actively shipping. Granted, I was very young at the time (like somewhere between 6 and 8 years old), but I still have a major soft spot for that ship.
@@SirDavid290Dude its exactly like that! I remember LOVING SonicxBlaze back then! Though that might also be because Blaze is one of my favorite sonic characters and I wanted her in everything 😅😅
I always sort of headcanonned that Cynder's color change in DotD was due to the influence of both Malefor and Spyro's purple dragon magic. After all, she's capable of using four elements, through the effects of Malefor's influence, so perhaps that influence was partially turning her into a pseudo purple dragon
I hope someday not only will Cynder return, but the other adolescent dragons like Flame and Ember. They all could be great friend and allies to Spyro in the fight against evil.
I miss Flame and Ember. Could have a full 4 player game with the squad. Hell I'd even be okay with a bunch of mini games with the four of em. They were too fun of an idea to just toss away.
It would also be a great opportunity to flesh out Flame and Ember more, too. From what little I know of them, they have very little in terms of personality, so they could definitely benefit from getting more exposure
I'm super glad Cynder is so recognized, despite how polarizing both Legends and Skylanders are/were. She's my favorite video game character, and I hope she returns one day. Also, I know the ship was ultimately added as fanservice, but I'm happy it was cannon in some way. Maybe it'll be handled better in the future?
Even if she doesn't come back, I would not mind new and returning characters from past series, but again, only time will tell and activision sure doesn't care too much about the spyro series since, Toys For Bob has been assisting with Call Of Duty rather than Spyro. Personally, Activision should sell off some of their video game franchises to companies that would treat it better and give it more sequels than what activision is doing with it sitting in their archives and such.
For me, that "I love you" at the end of Dawn legit gives me chills every time I see it (it might even be my favourite moment from any Spyro game), and knowing where the story ends have made replaying the triglogy afterwards way more fun. But even beyond that she's also a really enjoyable "villan to hero", and my favourite Spyro character in general.
It would have been interesting to see what Cynder went through during The Eternal Night after leaving the temple. Could have developed her character some more.
If the legend trilogy ever gets remade, which is honestly doubtful but I digress, let's hope they add in all the content that was originally cut due to the budget/time restraints. They were only given 10 months to develop the eternal night, that's why she was so shafted in that game.
@@voiceofthelegion578that's also why you'll see certain enemies in locations that don't make sense for them to be in, because they had to recycle a bunch of assets from LoS 1 and just dropped them in to save on time.
@@voiceofthelegion578 that's the unfortunate truth, executives don't want decent games, they want profits in their pockets as quickly a possible, regardless of what they sacrifice to get it.
@@voiceofthelegion578that's the unfortunate truth, executives don't want decent games, they want profits in their pockets as quickly a possible, regardless of what they ruin to get it
Seeing that people still talks about the legend trylogy and acknowledges cynder in the traditional games makes me so happy. I hope one day they can remake the trilogy
Not only is Cynder a very unique addition to the Spyro franchise, she is also a blast to play as in DotD! Very versatile moveset with tons of uses. She doesn't JUST play like spyro with a different model. I feel like the writing was definitely lacking, especially towards the end, as she did not have enough screen time...but I'm saying this now that I'm older, I did enjoy it more when I was younger (the target demographic). Who knows, maybe she'll get referenced again in future Spyro games? Very well made and researched video btw!
To me, Cynder has always been a fascinating character across the games and even fanfictions. I do hope they bring her back someday. Also I see that Tenth Doctor cameo at 16:45. Nice touch.
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Love seeing a video like this be made. Spread the love for TLOS and Cynder, let's goooo! I personally adore her cause as a kid, she was the character(alongside Zuko from Avatar) that taught me that evil isn't black and white. It was the first time such a thought really hit me and it was almost magical. She's also just so cool looking. She legit is one of the characters that made me who i am lol.
I’m not surprised 😮😯😲 that you watched this to Volty. Mainly because you’re the biggest Cynder fan I know. Also she, Spyro, and Skylanders are the ones ☝ who made me who I am to. They’re the main reason why I love ❤💕💗 dragons 🐉🐲🀄 so much.
I got introduced to Cynder through Skylanders. One thing I'll forever appreciate is that she comes in the Giants Starter box. They could've easily put Series 2 Spyro, or anyone else to show the Series 2 reposing, but they chose Cynder.
God, I hated Eternal night. That game give me such an issue with the controls, and died nearly 30 to 40 times playing it, I had enough and never went back to it. The story and the characters are interesting, but it's nothing like the PS1 classics I remember playing on the original PS1 with a CRT back in the late 1990s early 2000s. Enter The Dragonfly would be one of the first spyro games I got after seeing the 2002 commercial, despite the buggy messy and the weird graphics and such.
It was an honor guest-starring and being part of the writing process for the video. Talking about our favorite black/video dragon who made such a mark in the Spyro franchise that she reached beyond her debut into other pastures with Spyro and other related characters. Everyone else did a great job too adding their contributions for the project. This was fun. Happy Cynder Community Day 2024! :D
I think this was a fantastic and much deserved topic to tackle. Cause yeah, Cynder is probably the biggest thing to impact the franchise outside of the original trilogy (besides maybe Dark Spyro?). While I wasn't big on the Legend Trilogy myself (cause I think the writing and gameplay deserved far better), Cynder definitely got me thinking about things which I felt was VERY relevant to what Spyro was all about as a unique gaming franchise. And it's kinda incredible how well it worked out. Cynder could've just been another one of those trendy bland dark versions of the protagonist, shallowly aping off of Shadow the Hedgehog's popularity at the time. I guess Red in a way took the blunt of that, and allowed Cynder to really take off. Cause despite any writing inconsistencies, her character and story still resonate as compelling on an idea level at the very least! And I feel this is why her character has stuck around, and why there's demand for her to be in Spyro 4 (or a future game in general).
I live in the constant hope that Cynder will return one day. I was taken aback by how much id love the Spyro games in recent years and how Cynder would be my favourite character. Maybe some day Spyro 4 can happen. Also just discovered your channel, and I have 2 words, criminally underrated
I side with the supporters of the version of Cynder from Dawn of the Dragon. There are flaws and inconsistencies, but I like her design being a smaller version of her dark form, I don't mind her new attitude over not being there for most of The Eternal Night, I'm ok with her being a darker shade of purple than Spyro instead of being just black (and still being called The Black Dragon because she's known for her dark past and still has to face prejudice for when she was under the control of Malefor because not everyone could see the good in her like Spyro or the Elders) and most importantly, I don't care that much about all of that stuff because she's finally a playable character. There aren't many better ways to appreciate videogame characters than being able to play as them.
Cynder is such a great character, from her design to her role. She has a lot of potential that is only scratched on so far. In TloS, there are multiple times when she pulled Spyro out from dark places, which is Cynder at her best imo. Just wish she had more screentime or better fuckin voice direction (looking at DotD here) Also, hey look ma, I'm famous!
Her stories in both TLoS and Skylanders are emotional, deep, and moving. I always felt she had a wonderfully done redemption arc. Especially seeing how both versions still struggle with their trauma and pasts, but still choose and seek to do the right thing.
Yeah, they did Cynder dirty. We need a remake of this trilogy badly. I loved the witty version in the 3rd game, as it somewhat made sense against the version in the first game. The timid version makes sense too, but they needed to pick one or the other. I would definitely play it if they remade it.
Very nice article. Me and my sister grew up together playing over the Legend of Spyro series, and me and my brother played the og games. Spyro has been a really good series to me and my siblings. I really hope that Cynder comes back in a future title as she has been a lot of fun.
Honestly, never really looked back that fondly on the Legend of Spyro trilogy, despite them being my main introduction to the franchise. However, I always remembered that Cynder was a standout character, and I liked seeing her growth both physically and metaphorically into someone Spyro can trust and care for as much as she did for him.
This legit made me imagine a concept for a Spyro Multiverse with the Original Spyro timeline, The Legend of Spyro timeline and the Skylanders timeline.
I've never heard Crystal Blazier's voice but followed them on twitter for a while and OMG what a cute voice! Bless their cotton socks. This video was super interesting! I love Cynder she means a lot to me as a character. Loved watching this. I also was super happy Spyro and Cynder got together, I don't get the hate it's honestly perfect.
Cynder's been an awesome character throughout the Spyro franchise. I hope we get to see her make her return in the future in the classic timeline with how much a story with her could have a lot of potential.
Ive been a skylanders fan all my life. Cynder was my main in Giants, the first game I played and still my favorite in the series. I loved her and her design. I had no fucking clue she was in/from Spyro how did i never hear about this
Great video. Definitely worth the wait. Made me laugh at some points and got into the meat and potatoes about Cynder on this wonderful day. It was nice to be included and a great job to Crystal Blazier too.
Damn. The Legend of Spyro is 18 years old? I remember playing one of those games on the PS1 as a child, and to see it now is honestly amazing and an amazingly long time since it's lasted.
I will say, the thing I found most memorable about this series was it's villain. Not because he was excellently voiced(though he was), or he was designed well(also a win), but because when you are told, from game 1 onwards, that if the Dark Master is freed, you will lose against him, they weren't kidding. Game 3 in this series, post him being freed sees you, at best, delaying his plans, and never for more than a few seconds. He literally doesn't care to stop you from going around, since the one time you might put an actual delay in his plans, shattering the crystals inside the destroyer, he immediately undoes that. And to get to him takes sacrifices, battles, and then overcoming his corruption and...you still can't BEAT him. The best you can do is delay him, and even then, he's about to destroy the two young dragons, until the reveal that you are on the Purple Crystal. YOU didn't beat him, you just put him in position so he couldn't win either. It means a lot to see a villain live up to their hype. So many games will tell you that nothing you do can beat the bad guys, but you go and win anyway, usually implied to destroy them forever. Only Malefor, Tyr/Myria(Breath of Fire), and The Divine Ruler(Arc the Lad) live up to their hype for me, all needing everything working together to even stop them, and sometimes even that's not enough to kill them, just stop them for now. Heck, I love how it's foreshadowed just how strong he is in both Cynder and Spyro. In the former, just being touched by his power turns her into a formidable powerhouse, and her training and abilities only add to that, while Spyro, another purple, often goes from the start of the game, barely able to fight frogweeds, to beating up huge monsters by the end. Both show how powerful a Purple Dragon can be, and they are have trained, or using borrowed power with their own wills. HE is a fully trained, in his prime Purple, and the fact that he's voiced by Mark Hamill only makes him stronger still.
To be honest, in regards to cynders' color change, I always considered her color coming from the corruption, the scars will always remain, but as she grows, changes happen,I actually consider her more indigo appearance fitting ,she's grown she's shed off scales I suspect if she where have been born noticing that she likely originally would have been a wind dragon if she wasn't corrupted, indigo is a fitting thing as blue can be considered the color of wind aswell and would be the closest color to both show the scars of her past that altered her body permanently and to also show how much her body has healed her scales somewhat returning to the color she plausibly could have been if she wasn't corrupted
Yeah it's fine in headcanons, but in a general viewpoint it's confusing. There is a heavy lore on Purple Dragons being born once every 10 generations, with Malefor and Spyro being the only ones in the story. Cynder’s chosen colors in DOTD (indigo) to stand out in the bright bloom goes against that lore because she looks like another purple dragon when she’s not, and is still referred to as a black dragon in the story itself. The Nintendo DS and mobile versions even have Cynder in her original black scales since the game devs of those ports were more consistent with the concept art provided; something EL wasn’t able to do with their broken game software and rushed deadline.
Cynder was the character that made me realize that I enjoy the "villain becoming good" trope. It was handled very well in her story (as far as I can remember), allowing her to develop into a hero. Fingers crossed that they do something special with her at some point :)
The last two games obviously needed more time, the writing seems to leave out so much that would have fleshed the story out a lot more. Cynders story wasn't explored properly, but I love the idea that she goes from being the most powerful dragon aside from 'the chosen one' to a damsel in distress. She has to wrestle with the fact that when she had power she used it for evil, but then once free she wasn't really strong enough to do the good that she wanted to, and that the only people who would accept her are those she hurt, she had to fight with so many mixed feelings of not being worthy of acceptance. She then gets locked into being Spyro's sidekick, to watch his story unfold. Through this she sees that he's not just the chosen one, he has great power but also struggles with using it and trying to do the right thing, to being lost and in need of guidance just like she does. For me, when Malafor takes her over in their confrontation and she attacks Spyro, she sees him give up, she sees the chosen one who's worked so hard to bear that title and do the right thing for everyone while not knowing where he really belongs in the world or who he wants to be, the one who puts himself on the line for others constantly, give up. After losing his father figure and then his closest companion turns on him, he loses faith that he can bear the burden and his will to fight. Seeing him lose hope, after all she's seen him do, breaks her heart and that destroys all hold Malafor has over her, that was the moment when I knew they had a deep relationship. She saw much of herself in Spyro, another young dragon who's trying to find their place in the world and always doing what they think is right to help others. Even if she might have had mixed feelings about him because he saved her thus putting her in his shadow, that she had to prove herself worthy and good enough for Spyro and the elders, she saw that he was selfless yet vulnerable, that made a romantic relationship feel plausible to me. With more moments of her taking notice of Spyro's heroics and self sacrifice it would make the moments when she sees his vulnerability more impactful. While Ms. Ricci's voice is nice, both the writing and acting for Synder were pretty bad in the third game, I think the voice direction suffered because of the all star cast that could carry with little instruction, so when it was needed it wasn't given. They could also helped her growth arc more, from badass villain to lost youngster, then coming into her own with new powers and gaining her confidence back. DOTD is one of my favorite games of all time, I still play it every few years. Would love to see a reimagining of the series, with enough time to really flesh out all the characters, then perhaps a more open world type game of them putting the world back together. When it comes to Skylanders, I never gave it a try since it was a soul less cash grab for toys. The models look ugly and that prevents me from being interested in anything that's come from it.
Huge fan of Cynder, and a big fan of the "Legend of Spyro" series (I even managed to find a really good plush of Cynder once upon a time). Followed her journey from day one, and while I agree with most of this, I think I kind of disagree with some of the comments on her "Eternal Night" story arc. Yes, it was very much a "damsel in distress" situation, but I think it makes sense. Cynder, with guilt and shame which very likely affected her mentality and willpower, could find it hard to want to fight back, especially if she believes the world is against her, that no one is on her side. It was also a great reflection of her sporadic appearance as the villain in "A New Beginning", where that first games paints her as looming, very present but evasive threat, "Eternal Night" paints her as the elusive victim of circumstance that has massive trust issues (both from and toward her). The only one that seemed to actually try was Spyro himself, and it's only when she realizes that that sole individual is in extreme danger, she is able to break from her funk and step up... Unfortunately, because Gaul is... well, GAUL, and she is about as strong as Spyro is physically, and his boss fight was STUPIDLY difficult, so I'm not surprised she was easily batted away. All that said, I think the build up with Eternal Night is what made her playable debut in Dawn of the Dragon so much more effective. Her decision to step up and take a stand against Gaul gave her the strength and motivation to keep pace with Spyro through the final leg of their journey. It also made their confrontation with Malefor equally as effective, which ended up also being a mirror of the incident with Gaul.
I don't think the problem is that she _is_ weaker so much as it is that combined with the fact we don't see enough of her. Seeing more of her perspective could have been a great way to showcase her inner struggles, but due to the lack of screen time it comes across like "I'm leaving... okay now I'm captured save me".
@@MiharuTheFox I dunno. I'm of the mindset of "less is more". And, (while I wouldn't have been against more screentime since that would mean more Cynder in general) considering she was a major character through the entire series, we do get plenty of screen-time with her in the end, especially when taking all three of her story-arcs, which paints a much more cohesive narrative. Imagine being brainwashed and crazy for years, only to finally be free, remembering the catastrophic and nigh-genocidal things you have done and finding no other recourse than to... run. She was a tormented, broken soul that pretty much had only had one person in her corner, and even THEN she couldn't really trust that to remain (or, worse, felt she didn't deserve it), only to finally step up when the chips were down, and come out of her shell to be more of an equal to the one that backed her. Yeah, seeing more of her perspective would be neat and would put things in a more certain, concrete light, but I also feel what wasn't said and shown, only to be inferred and implied, is just as important.
Ngl, Dawn of the Dragon was my very 1st game that introduced me to the Spyro series. I immediately felt the chemistry how characters interact with each other.
Despite knowing every bit from A to Z when it comes to Legend series, was still surprised to learn a couple of things like the ending part of Dawn of the Dragon that was scrapped and Skylanders franchise (some parts). As for the future involvement, if Cynder (or some kind of iteration) comes back to series, I wouldn't mind if she doesn't have romantic relationship with Spyro. Like, there are a lot of things that could be explored and mixed very well to make her character very attractive no matter if it's on good or bad side, past or present. But if Toys for Bob or some other developer wants make this happen, they will need to get a good story that's beyond the original and Legend trilogy. Overall well made video
Just came across your channel. I first saw the Spyro 1 why it was so great video. I’m glad you’re still making content. Don’t stop please. You’re doing awesome
watching this AGAIN made me cry, shows how powerful nostalgia and likeness for a character can be, still praying toys for bob add her too the classic timeline, it would mean a lot too people, but i wonder Miharu, who would you want too voice act her, think a collab follow up video with crystalblazier talking about what you guys would like too see toys for bob do if they were too bring her back, like what you think her back story should be, who should voice them, what they could look like (if we're not using the "concept" art) a video like this too round out the year of the dragon would be interesting too see what you and other people think of a possible cynder return, we could also influence toys for bob and give them idea's
Fingers crossed we get a Legends of Spyro reignited release like they did with the first three games. I missed out on these when I was a kid and now they are HELLA expensive as an adult that pays taxes and rent DX
They aren't that expensive getting used (except Dawn of the Dragon on PS3) while if you have a good PC you can just emulate them anyways so they run at HD resolution and all that stuff.
I love cinder and would love to see her in future titles but I think the other dragons in the trilogy deserve to see screen time again too. Where's the love for my boy, Ignitus? My man did not throw himself into the fire belt to be forgotten by the fandom.
Dawn of the Dragon was my introduction to the Spyro games! I absolutely adored Cynder from the moment I saw her. She has such an incredibly striking design and her abilities in-game were such a thrill to use. I clearly started off on the best possible entry point.
I remember rewriting the eternal night in 2020 to try and save my sanity from boredom and isolation. I wrote that Cynder was still under Malefor’s control, she leaves the temple to draw Spyro away into an ambush by the apes- but Spyro is able to escape because for a moment Cynder was able to take back control telling Spyro to run and get Ignitus. Cynder is still technically chained up but that’s because she constantly breaks free from the mind control and attacks the apes every chance she gets. In Dawn of the dragon I remember writing when Cynder got her elemental powers Poison, wind, fear, and shadow she gets a bit of sadistic enjoyment from attacking the enemies which worries Spyro. I also wrote a boss battle where Spyro gets kidnapped and go dark Spyro mode, with Cynder being the one to fight and free Spyro. I also wrote a scene where Cynder and Sparx share a moment worry about Spyro together and kind of make fun of Spyro’s character. (Meanwhile Spyro sneezes) While fighting Spyro, Cynder almost succumbs to darkness but it’s Sparx that snaps her out of it and then the fight resumes. Sparx gets hurt during the fight and Sparx is forced to stay behind with the others while they fight Malefor. I also wrote an epilogue where Sparx tells baby dragons about Spyro and Cynder. In this story Spyro and Cynder do die but reincarnates into Flame (Spyro) and Icicle (Cynder) with Sparx reminiscing about the old days missing Spyro and Cynder, not knowing that Flame and Icicle are them. Question- if Cynder wasn’t corrupted by darkness what kind of elements would she have? Fire, Earth, Electricity, or ice? I’m on team ice because it’s COOL… I’ll leave.
Cynder is one of those characters that really feels like, despite her various appearances in both form and relation to the story, she's never been done wrong or in a way thats bad. Skylanders Academy leaning on Classic Spyros more prideful and cocky nature had felt over baring at times and would probably feel even more so to those who see Legend as the their ideal version of Spyro, but even though Cynder went through an equally big jump in how she was portrayed she's still (at least to me) one of the best characters in that show and one of the best portrayals of the character.
I only really played New Beginning for GBA, which was very slimmed down story-wise, with none of Cynder's ties to the apes mentioned. Yes, she captured 3 of the main dragons, but I can't recall anything happening after defeating her to beat the game. Her dark form was black and when she went back to normal, was indigo/purple. A lot of this lore is new to me :0
The legend of Spyro a new beginning is one of the first ever games that got me into video games and one of the first ones I ever played. David Spade was a great voice actor for Sparks
i personally grew up with the legends series, so it holds a special place in my heart, i love it, despite its flaws. i hope they keep producing spyro games, being hd remakes, or new ones.
Cynder was a character I could really relate to in my life. I love her as a character and would love to see her come back in games or shows. We love u Cynder!
Cynder is my favorite dragon girl over Sisu and few others. She is LITERALLY OP when it comes to her Shadow element. Trust me, i played Dawn of the Dragon. All hail the beautiful dragoness!!!
This game in a heroes tale were my introduction to Spyro. And what an introduction and also I love the fact that Sparks just sounded like Cusco from the Emperor's new groove
Looking back at DOTD I feel like I notice how much the magical snake chain was used as an excuse for the game being multiplayer, sticking together, and sharing one screen 😂 i mean its cool though, you get to play as her still
The nostalgia. 'The legend of Spyro: a new beginning' and 'The legend of Spyro: Dawn of the dragon' my first two Spyro games. There's a middle game, but I couldn't get it at the time, though I did watch the game play. Amazing Trilogy. Cynder remains to be one of my favorite characters to this day, in the long growing list of favorite characters 😅
They really changed her personality for each game, especially Skylanders. They kinda gave her a sassy villain vibe, one of her voice lines is legit "I'm evil, so what?" lol. Anyways, I really hope they bring her back in a future game cuz she's awesome and badass deserves more love
So I've played the DoftD a bunch of different times, and first time playing it with my sister.. her and I cried because I hadn't been able to beat it until then. We totally skipped the other two games in favor of that one. and I really just.. the musical score just helped with the feelings. I still love the og 3 games but these three were up there. I love both them. I would absolutely love to see a return of Cynder if and when we get a Spyro 4, maybe she's redone or re-casted as our villain of the 4th but it's more polished better written, and maybe we get her mid-way of the game before it's end so she can have those needed char developments as Spyro and her battle it out to the end game. beating what ever big bad they are facing. her helping Spyro at the end reprises her confidence in herself and redeems her as a hero rather than a villain. In other words write her like Bianca!!
When Cynder said you don't know pain little one when she was big kinda hurt me which showed me that she hated the torture.And remember it, which was heatt breaking and it shows you she didn't want to be bad but had too.
A New Beginning was my introduction to the Spyro franchise as a kid. It's one of first games I remember playing and it's safe to say it became my personality for a long time growing up lol. At the whims of my parents buying me games, I played A New Beginning, then Dawn of the Dragon on Wii, then back to Eternal Night which I never finished. But this version of Spyro and all its edgy, Elijah Wood, dark reboot-ness is my definitive Spyro lol.
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I'm sorry but SpyroxCynder is one of my favorite things period
@@ag0180 No need to apologize, I like it too!
@@MiharuTheFox Is it just me, or even though it’s very obviously tacked on for the sake of fan service, the relationship between Spyro and Cynder actually feels earned? Spyro sounds like he’s genuinely lovesick for her in Eternal Night, and their companionship in Dawn Of The Dragon.
It just feels like it fits for me.
A new beginning was underrated
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Cynder is in dire need of a chiropractor for carrying the trilogy this whole time
Chiropractic is a form of 'alternative medicine' based on pseudoscientific ideals with high potential of seriously harming those it's practiced on.
It's safer (and healthier) to see an actual, licensed physical therapist.
I’d love to see Cynder be brought back in some way. She’s one of those characters with a lot of potential.
Me too.
Hopefully TfB brings her back in a new game. She came back in the Skylanders series, and became a bit of a prominent character in Skylanders Academy (where she was absolutely adorable).
Me to Travis, me to.
I already left a long comment about this, but to keep it brief: yes, I definitely think she has a huge amount of potential if she were to be reintroduced into the series in the future. And considering how popular she is (she'd even be one of the main reasons why I personally would want to play the LoS series), I think it only makes sense that they bring her back in a future installment
Yeah, her, Ember and Flame need to come back.
I feel like Cynder as a character really carried the TLOS trilogy.
That is because spyro does not have a ton of personality in it, in my opinion. Even in the original trilogy, a lot of his personality came through while he interacted with SPARKX. So without the sassy commentary between those two, you don't have a ton left from Spyro. That is the real shame. But it has been well over 10 years since I last played the games, so perhaps I am misremembering
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In the Legend trilogy, Spyro is unsure of himself. He’s always curious. So I’d say his personality is more prominent than it was in the original trilogy.
@@FirestarTonight I saw Spyro as a very humble protagonist. He's basically like Bilbo from LotR (ironically both being played by Elijah Wood). He's a hero who has no real interest in fame or fortune; but doing the right thing just for the sake of it. And once the threat is dealt with, he'd return to his quiet life in some remote part of the world.
You did mention that he's curious, which is true, but he's also adventurous. He's also more openly compassionate and more patient than OG Spyro. He's also pretty intelligent, as he was able to understand Volteer's ramblings and wide vocabulary, translating what he said to Sparx. He's also nowhere near as arrogant and cocky as OG Spyro; he's aware of his limits and has no problems accepting help from others.
That's unfortunately not saying much...
Legend Cynder is a more interesting than Skylanders Cynder. The only thing I recall about skylanders Cynder is she is the daughter of Malefor.
I always saw Cynder’s scale colour change as her healing from her corruption, her scales growing more vibrant as she left her dark past.
Thats a great way of putting it. Her personality and demeanour in DotD is like a rebellious phase as pretty much nearly all teenagers go through only hers has a sharp tongue and quick wit.
I can agree @forveiin about the scales changing colour. It's thanks to Spyro's dedication to help her and their eventual love for each other that helps her heal and become more free.
That was my interpretation as well
@millo7295 I have no idea what you’re trying to say, but what I meant when I said her scales were “changing colour” was that she was physically healing from the corruption. As in, if she wasn’t corrupted by Malefor, she would have been just as vibrant as she is in the games. It has nothing to do with being “good or bad.” It’s just a headcanon I came up with when I was 12. Chill out.
Cynder being Malefor's daughter in Skylander's makes her seem like a Raven (Teen Titans) clone... It would have been even more obvious if they kept her original personality, rather than making her cheerful and goofy. Not a change I like, as the video says; it flattens their original relationship of being a kidnapped orphan and their master/captor.
@@FuzzyDreamin Well Academy Cynder was a different take on the character. She already had a backstory clone in her main Skylanders counterpart, it would’ve been repetitive and unoriginal if she was given the same backstory for the 3rd time in a row.
Also the fact that after he introduction episode she basically became a background character, then at the end of season 2 she got captured by malefor and they didnt save her until the second to last episode of season 3
Tbh I just don't like Skylander malefor at all. I haven't read the comics, but I don't like unserious he is sometimes. It works for kaos because it's kaos, but not malefor
@@DragonQueen-ox8dk The Malefor in the IDW comics is very much like his original Legend of Spyro counterpart, just as ruthless and evil. I recommend reading Skylanders: Return of the Dragon King comic story arc. :)
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Yeah I would like to see Cynder back too but not if she's gonna be a copycat clone of her Legend Self and she needs to be black not purple.
I know it's never gonna happen, but even as someone who grew up on the OG Spyro trilogy and only played TLOS in my early teens, there is no videogame on planet Earth that I would want more than a continuation of Spyro and Cyner's story after Dawn of the Dragon. Imagine an open world game with the two of them all grown up. It would be a dream come true.
Skylanders technically is that because she's tied to his reincarnated now
I grew up with OG spyro and originally disliked this series a good deal, but I admit as a remake it is good. But I also liked enter the dragonfly somewhat and pretty much all the other spyro games, so yeah.
I never cared for skylanders, so I do not know what they did with the characters other than really botch poor spyro. He looked awful. Cynders figure looked cool so I did grab hers on the cheap once.
It would be nice if they would remake this trilogy and expand upon it (and give us a better ending quite frankly). Insomniac did a great job redoing the og set, but no clue if they will do this one or if they would even be allowed to do so
@@Thesakuraharona Reignited wasn't remade by Insomniac, it was by Toys for Bob (same company that made Skylanders).
I'll always play any new Spyro game that comes out, I'm glad that Spyro is still a thing after all these years and hasn't been left behnd like Jak or Sly franchises for example.. However, after the TLOS series, I'll always crave for a more mature take on Spyro rather than the OG children's collectathon genre. Also never played Skylanders.
Personally I'd much prefer a continuation of the story than a remake. However, for starters it'd be great if TLOS was simply playable on modern consoles. Released as PS2/3 classics. I think that's the least they could do to give this series justice, allow people today to experience these games and go from there.
Dawn of the Dragon was incredible. I hadn't played Spyro since the very first game. Then Dawn of the Dragon comes out and they finally have almost true flight. I was hooked. Then I play that and figure out "Wait, this is the 3rd part of a trilogy? I gotta play the first two." Tracked both of those down and, to be fair, some of the toughest games I had played but still excellent. I also want more of that storyline. And I would love to see Spyro and Cynder's kids, lol.
I agree.
I'm gonna be honest, SpyroxCynder was the first ship I remember actively shipping. Granted, I was very young at the time (like somewhere between 6 and 8 years old), but I still have a major soft spot for that ship.
Yeah, it was fun, like the SonicxBlaze back then.
@@SirDavid290Dude its exactly like that! I remember LOVING SonicxBlaze back then! Though that might also be because Blaze is one of my favorite sonic characters and I wanted her in everything 😅😅
@@midgematic8659 Yeah, she's a really great character !
Cynder is just such a fascinating and beloved dragon! Her introduction really shook up the Spyro series, for the better in my opinion.
I always sort of headcanonned that Cynder's color change in DotD was due to the influence of both Malefor and Spyro's purple dragon magic. After all, she's capable of using four elements, through the effects of Malefor's influence, so perhaps that influence was partially turning her into a pseudo purple dragon
I hope someday not only will Cynder return, but the other adolescent dragons like Flame and Ember. They all could be great friend and allies to Spyro in the fight against evil.
I miss Flame and Ember. Could have a full 4 player game with the squad. Hell I'd even be okay with a bunch of mini games with the four of em. They were too fun of an idea to just toss away.
It would also be a great opportunity to flesh out Flame and Ember more, too. From what little I know of them, they have very little in terms of personality, so they could definitely benefit from getting more exposure
I'm super glad Cynder is so recognized, despite how polarizing both Legends and Skylanders are/were. She's my favorite video game character, and I hope she returns one day.
Also, I know the ship was ultimately added as fanservice, but I'm happy it was cannon in some way. Maybe it'll be handled better in the future?
Even if she doesn't come back, I would not mind new and returning characters from past series, but again, only time will tell and activision sure doesn't care too much about the spyro series since, Toys For Bob has been assisting with Call Of Duty rather than Spyro. Personally, Activision should sell off some of their video game franchises to companies that would treat it better and give it more sequels than what activision is doing with it sitting in their archives and such.
For me, that "I love you" at the end of Dawn legit gives me chills every time I see it (it might even be my favourite moment from any Spyro game), and knowing where the story ends have made replaying the triglogy afterwards way more fun.
But even beyond that she's also a really enjoyable "villan to hero", and my favourite Spyro character in general.
It would have been interesting to see what Cynder went through during The Eternal Night after leaving the temple. Could have developed her character some more.
If the legend trilogy ever gets remade, which is honestly doubtful but I digress, let's hope they add in all the content that was originally cut due to the budget/time restraints.
They were only given 10 months to develop the eternal night, that's why she was so shafted in that game.
@@voiceofthelegion578that's also why you'll see certain enemies in locations that don't make sense for them to be in, because they had to recycle a bunch of assets from LoS 1 and just dropped them in to save on time.
@@soulcyclone360 you'd think they would've learned from enter the dragonfly you shouldn't rush your devs if you want a decent game.
@@voiceofthelegion578 that's the unfortunate truth, executives don't want decent games, they want profits in their pockets as quickly a possible, regardless of what they sacrifice to get it.
@@voiceofthelegion578that's the unfortunate truth, executives don't want decent games, they want profits in their pockets as quickly a possible, regardless of what they ruin to get it
Seeing that people still talks about the legend trylogy and acknowledges cynder in the traditional games makes me so happy. I hope one day they can remake the trilogy
Not only is Cynder a very unique addition to the Spyro franchise, she is also a blast to play as in DotD! Very versatile moveset with tons of uses. She doesn't JUST play like spyro with a different model. I feel like the writing was definitely lacking, especially towards the end, as she did not have enough screen time...but I'm saying this now that I'm older, I did enjoy it more when I was younger (the target demographic). Who knows, maybe she'll get referenced again in future Spyro games?
Very well made and researched video btw!
To me, Cynder has always been a fascinating character across the games and even fanfictions. I do hope they bring her back someday.
Also I see that Tenth Doctor cameo at 16:45. Nice touch.
She has so much potential for a developing character, which is something that's overlooked a lot by people.
If Spyro 4 does become reality, I would love to see Cynder as a character in the game.
It will become reality, and I’m sure Cynder will be in it too.
She is in dotd
@@Lady-Moosh He means in the new Spyro game that TFB are working on.
@@trainlover16 TFB isn't confirmed to be working on a new Spyro. We're all just speculating with no clue what goes on behind closed doors.
@@CrystalBlazier Well I’m still 95% convinced it’s Spyro 4.
This is going to be interesting, also Happy Cynder Day in advance
Cynder is the best character of Sierra's The Legend of Spyro Trilogy.
Sierra? The King's quest company?
@@liamstark5982 Sierra Entertainment. It's a former game company owned by Vivendi Games or Vivendi Universal Games that owns Crash Bandicoot and Spyro the Dragon franchises since in 2004.
krome studios made it, sierra is just the publisher
@@ToastyFruitcake I know that, I just thought that was funny
@@liamstark5982 just letting Tre know, no worries dude
Man that was enjoyable to listening with. Cynder is a legend who deserve some potentials. Let's hope they'd bring her back for the new game of Spyro
Love seeing a video like this be made. Spread the love for TLOS and Cynder, let's goooo!
I personally adore her cause as a kid, she was the character(alongside Zuko from Avatar) that taught me that evil isn't black and white. It was the first time such a thought really hit me and it was almost magical. She's also just so cool looking. She legit is one of the characters that made me who i am lol.
I’m not surprised 😮😯😲 that you watched this to Volty. Mainly because you’re the biggest Cynder fan I know. Also she, Spyro, and Skylanders are the ones ☝ who made me who I am to. They’re the main reason why I love ❤💕💗 dragons 🐉🐲🀄 so much.
I got introduced to Cynder through Skylanders. One thing I'll forever appreciate is that she comes in the Giants Starter box. They could've easily put Series 2 Spyro, or anyone else to show the Series 2 reposing, but they chose Cynder.
18 Years Of Legend Of Spyro.
As A Kid, I PLAYED THE *_HELL_* Out Of Eternal Night.
I did too, though admittedly most of that time was spent in *one specific room in the Mountain of Malefor* (you know the one)
God, I hated Eternal night. That game give me such an issue with the controls, and died nearly 30 to 40 times playing it, I had enough and never went back to it. The story and the characters are interesting, but it's nothing like the PS1 classics I remember playing on the original PS1 with a CRT back in the late 1990s early 2000s. Enter The Dragonfly would be one of the first spyro games I got after seeing the 2002 commercial, despite the buggy messy and the weird graphics and such.
It was an honor guest-starring and being part of the writing process for the video. Talking about our favorite black/video dragon who made such a mark in the Spyro franchise that she reached beyond her debut into other pastures with Spyro and other related characters. Everyone else did a great job too adding their contributions for the project. This was fun. Happy Cynder Community Day 2024! :D
I think this was a fantastic and much deserved topic to tackle. Cause yeah, Cynder is probably the biggest thing to impact the franchise outside of the original trilogy (besides maybe Dark Spyro?). While I wasn't big on the Legend Trilogy myself (cause I think the writing and gameplay deserved far better), Cynder definitely got me thinking about things which I felt was VERY relevant to what Spyro was all about as a unique gaming franchise.
And it's kinda incredible how well it worked out. Cynder could've just been another one of those trendy bland dark versions of the protagonist, shallowly aping off of Shadow the Hedgehog's popularity at the time. I guess Red in a way took the blunt of that, and allowed Cynder to really take off. Cause despite any writing inconsistencies, her character and story still resonate as compelling on an idea level at the very least! And I feel this is why her character has stuck around, and why there's demand for her to be in Spyro 4 (or a future game in general).
I live in the constant hope that Cynder will return one day. I was taken aback by how much id love the Spyro games in recent years and how Cynder would be my favourite character. Maybe some day Spyro 4 can happen. Also just discovered your channel, and I have 2 words, criminally underrated
thank you MIharu 🤓at 1:43 im sorry im such an piece of shit but i just cannot get that goofy sounding voice out of my head
I do have a nasual sounding voice, but that’s just how I sound. :)
@@CrystalBlaziermore like you’re literally every nerd in every cartoon ever.
@@CrimsonSnoipah In vocals yes, physically no. XD
I side with the supporters of the version of Cynder from Dawn of the Dragon. There are flaws and inconsistencies, but I like her design being a smaller version of her dark form, I don't mind her new attitude over not being there for most of The Eternal Night, I'm ok with her being a darker shade of purple than Spyro instead of being just black (and still being called The Black Dragon because she's known for her dark past and still has to face prejudice for when she was under the control of Malefor because not everyone could see the good in her like Spyro or the Elders) and most importantly, I don't care that much about all of that stuff because she's finally a playable character. There aren't many better ways to appreciate videogame characters than being able to play as them.
lets be real here, if Cynder never said "I love you" there would still be a hell of a lot of fanart and fanfiction
Yo that artwork slaps
Speaking of Cynder I wonder why she kept having different voice actresses every single time she’s appeared in any Spyro and Skylanders media though
Cynder is such a great character, from her design to her role. She has a lot of potential that is only scratched on so far. In TloS, there are multiple times when she pulled Spyro out from dark places, which is Cynder at her best imo. Just wish she had more screentime or better fuckin voice direction (looking at DotD here)
Also, hey look ma, I'm famous!
Her stories in both TLoS and Skylanders are emotional, deep, and moving. I always felt she had a wonderfully done redemption arc. Especially seeing how both versions still struggle with their trauma and pasts, but still choose and seek to do the right thing.
Yeah, they did Cynder dirty. We need a remake of this trilogy badly. I loved the witty version in the 3rd game, as it somewhat made sense against the version in the first game. The timid version makes sense too, but they needed to pick one or the other.
I would definitely play it if they remade it.
Great video Miharu, Cynder is such a great character and I’m glad to see her getting the credit that she deserves.
Cynder is literally the reason I want the Legend series rebooted or even just have her as a regular Spyro character
Not only hoping for a miracle for another Spyro game but SHE HAS TO COME BACK!! ❤ She's made a name for herself in the series so it only makes sense
Very nice article. Me and my sister grew up together playing over the Legend of Spyro series, and me and my brother played the og games. Spyro has been a really good series to me and my siblings. I really hope that Cynder comes back in a future title as she has been a lot of fun.
Honestly, never really looked back that fondly on the Legend of Spyro trilogy, despite them being my main introduction to the franchise. However, I always remembered that Cynder was a standout character, and I liked seeing her growth both physically and metaphorically into someone Spyro can trust and care for as much as she did for him.
This legit made me imagine a concept for a Spyro Multiverse with the Original Spyro timeline, The Legend of Spyro timeline and the Skylanders timeline.
i always forget the skylanders was a spinoff and reading this title confused the hell out of me for a second
I've never heard Crystal Blazier's voice but followed them on twitter for a while and OMG what a cute voice! Bless their cotton socks. This video was super interesting! I love Cynder she means a lot to me as a character. Loved watching this. I also was super happy Spyro and Cynder got together, I don't get the hate it's honestly perfect.
Aw... Thanks to include my reply of the survey this time :3
0:16 these are nice flowers proceeds to give himself shards of glass in the face
Cynder's been an awesome character throughout the Spyro franchise. I hope we get to see her make her return in the future in the classic timeline with how much a story with her could have a lot of potential.
Ive been a skylanders fan all my life. Cynder was my main in Giants, the first game I played and still my favorite in the series. I loved her and her design.
I had no fucking clue she was in/from Spyro how did i never hear about this
Great video. Definitely worth the wait. Made me laugh at some points and got into the meat and potatoes about Cynder on this wonderful day.
It was nice to be included and a great job to Crystal Blazier too.
Damn. The Legend of Spyro is 18 years old? I remember playing one of those games on the PS1 as a child, and to see it now is honestly amazing and an amazingly long time since it's lasted.
I will say, the thing I found most memorable about this series was it's villain. Not because he was excellently voiced(though he was), or he was designed well(also a win), but because when you are told, from game 1 onwards, that if the Dark Master is freed, you will lose against him, they weren't kidding.
Game 3 in this series, post him being freed sees you, at best, delaying his plans, and never for more than a few seconds. He literally doesn't care to stop you from going around, since the one time you might put an actual delay in his plans, shattering the crystals inside the destroyer, he immediately undoes that.
And to get to him takes sacrifices, battles, and then overcoming his corruption and...you still can't BEAT him. The best you can do is delay him, and even then, he's about to destroy the two young dragons, until the reveal that you are on the Purple Crystal. YOU didn't beat him, you just put him in position so he couldn't win either.
It means a lot to see a villain live up to their hype. So many games will tell you that nothing you do can beat the bad guys, but you go and win anyway, usually implied to destroy them forever. Only Malefor, Tyr/Myria(Breath of Fire), and The Divine Ruler(Arc the Lad) live up to their hype for me, all needing everything working together to even stop them, and sometimes even that's not enough to kill them, just stop them for now.
Heck, I love how it's foreshadowed just how strong he is in both Cynder and Spyro. In the former, just being touched by his power turns her into a formidable powerhouse, and her training and abilities only add to that, while Spyro, another purple, often goes from the start of the game, barely able to fight frogweeds, to beating up huge monsters by the end.
Both show how powerful a Purple Dragon can be, and they are have trained, or using borrowed power with their own wills. HE is a fully trained, in his prime Purple, and the fact that he's voiced by Mark Hamill only makes him stronger still.
To be honest, in regards to cynders' color change, I always considered her color coming from the corruption, the scars will always remain, but as she grows, changes happen,I actually consider her more indigo appearance fitting ,she's grown she's shed off scales I suspect if she where have been born noticing that she likely originally would have been a wind dragon if she wasn't corrupted, indigo is a fitting thing as blue can be considered the color of wind aswell and would be the closest color to both show the scars of her past that altered her body permanently and to also show how much her body has healed her scales somewhat returning to the color she plausibly could have been if she wasn't corrupted
Yeah it's fine in headcanons, but in a general viewpoint it's confusing. There is a heavy lore on Purple Dragons being born once every 10 generations, with Malefor and Spyro being the only ones in the story. Cynder’s chosen colors in DOTD (indigo) to stand out in the bright bloom goes against that lore because she looks like another purple dragon when she’s not, and is still referred to as a black dragon in the story itself.
The Nintendo DS and mobile versions even have Cynder in her original black scales since the game devs of those ports were more consistent with the concept art provided; something EL wasn’t able to do with their broken game software and rushed deadline.
Cynder was the character that made me realize that I enjoy the "villain becoming good" trope. It was handled very well in her story (as far as I can remember), allowing her to develop into a hero.
Fingers crossed that they do something special with her at some point :)
19:23 Chris Hansen:Malefor,why don't you have a seat?
Y’all making me feel nostalgic, now I gotta go play through this game again just for the feels.
Cynder deserves a lot more love
You know I loved this game. One of the best Spyro games ever, it's a legend!
I fucking LOOOVE dotd! Always fun to see the general consensus of that game as I really wasn't part of the fandom when growing up
As a girl who was obsessed with dragons growing up, Cynder was everything to me!
The last two games obviously needed more time, the writing seems to leave out so much that would have fleshed the story out a lot more. Cynders story wasn't explored properly, but I love the idea that she goes from being the most powerful dragon aside from 'the chosen one' to a damsel in distress. She has to wrestle with the fact that when she had power she used it for evil, but then once free she wasn't really strong enough to do the good that she wanted to, and that the only people who would accept her are those she hurt, she had to fight with so many mixed feelings of not being worthy of acceptance. She then gets locked into being Spyro's sidekick, to watch his story unfold. Through this she sees that he's not just the chosen one, he has great power but also struggles with using it and trying to do the right thing, to being lost and in need of guidance just like she does. For me, when Malafor takes her over in their confrontation and she attacks Spyro, she sees him give up, she sees the chosen one who's worked so hard to bear that title and do the right thing for everyone while not knowing where he really belongs in the world or who he wants to be, the one who puts himself on the line for others constantly, give up. After losing his father figure and then his closest companion turns on him, he loses faith that he can bear the burden and his will to fight. Seeing him lose hope, after all she's seen him do, breaks her heart and that destroys all hold Malafor has over her, that was the moment when I knew they had a deep relationship. She saw much of herself in Spyro, another young dragon who's trying to find their place in the world and always doing what they think is right to help others. Even if she might have had mixed feelings about him because he saved her thus putting her in his shadow, that she had to prove herself worthy and good enough for Spyro and the elders, she saw that he was selfless yet vulnerable, that made a romantic relationship feel plausible to me.
With more moments of her taking notice of Spyro's heroics and self sacrifice it would make the moments when she sees his vulnerability more impactful. While Ms. Ricci's voice is nice, both the writing and acting for Synder were pretty bad in the third game, I think the voice direction suffered because of the all star cast that could carry with little instruction, so when it was needed it wasn't given. They could also helped her growth arc more, from badass villain to lost youngster, then coming into her own with new powers and gaining her confidence back.
DOTD is one of my favorite games of all time, I still play it every few years. Would love to see a reimagining of the series, with enough time to really flesh out all the characters, then perhaps a more open world type game of them putting the world back together.
When it comes to Skylanders, I never gave it a try since it was a soul less cash grab for toys. The models look ugly and that prevents me from being interested in anything that's come from it.
Huge fan of Cynder, and a big fan of the "Legend of Spyro" series (I even managed to find a really good plush of Cynder once upon a time). Followed her journey from day one, and while I agree with most of this, I think I kind of disagree with some of the comments on her "Eternal Night" story arc.
Yes, it was very much a "damsel in distress" situation, but I think it makes sense. Cynder, with guilt and shame which very likely affected her mentality and willpower, could find it hard to want to fight back, especially if she believes the world is against her, that no one is on her side. It was also a great reflection of her sporadic appearance as the villain in "A New Beginning", where that first games paints her as looming, very present but evasive threat, "Eternal Night" paints her as the elusive victim of circumstance that has massive trust issues (both from and toward her). The only one that seemed to actually try was Spyro himself, and it's only when she realizes that that sole individual is in extreme danger, she is able to break from her funk and step up... Unfortunately, because Gaul is... well, GAUL, and she is about as strong as Spyro is physically, and his boss fight was STUPIDLY difficult, so I'm not surprised she was easily batted away.
All that said, I think the build up with Eternal Night is what made her playable debut in Dawn of the Dragon so much more effective. Her decision to step up and take a stand against Gaul gave her the strength and motivation to keep pace with Spyro through the final leg of their journey. It also made their confrontation with Malefor equally as effective, which ended up also being a mirror of the incident with Gaul.
I don't think the problem is that she _is_ weaker so much as it is that combined with the fact we don't see enough of her. Seeing more of her perspective could have been a great way to showcase her inner struggles, but due to the lack of screen time it comes across like "I'm leaving... okay now I'm captured save me".
@@MiharuTheFox I dunno. I'm of the mindset of "less is more". And, (while I wouldn't have been against more screentime since that would mean more Cynder in general) considering she was a major character through the entire series, we do get plenty of screen-time with her in the end, especially when taking all three of her story-arcs, which paints a much more cohesive narrative. Imagine being brainwashed and crazy for years, only to finally be free, remembering the catastrophic and nigh-genocidal things you have done and finding no other recourse than to... run. She was a tormented, broken soul that pretty much had only had one person in her corner, and even THEN she couldn't really trust that to remain (or, worse, felt she didn't deserve it), only to finally step up when the chips were down, and come out of her shell to be more of an equal to the one that backed her.
Yeah, seeing more of her perspective would be neat and would put things in a more certain, concrete light, but I also feel what wasn't said and shown, only to be inferred and implied, is just as important.
Ngl, Dawn of the Dragon was my very 1st game that introduced me to the Spyro series. I immediately felt the chemistry how characters interact with each other.
That Wyatt Ewert scene at 16:55 was priceless!!
the "the legend of spyro" series was my childhood fr dude.
Despite knowing every bit from A to Z when it comes to Legend series, was still surprised to learn a couple of things like the ending part of Dawn of the Dragon that was scrapped and Skylanders franchise (some parts).
As for the future involvement, if Cynder (or some kind of iteration) comes back to series, I wouldn't mind if she doesn't have romantic relationship with Spyro. Like, there are a lot of things that could be explored and mixed very well to make her character very attractive no matter if it's on good or bad side, past or present. But if Toys for Bob or some other developer wants make this happen, they will need to get a good story that's beyond the original and Legend trilogy.
Overall well made video
This is such a wonderful video. I didn't know a lot about Cynder so this was helpful thank you so much.
Very cool after so many years to see childhood game characters being talked about. Spyro and Cynder are so cool and beautiful
Happy Cynder Day to all 💜
One of the best video game gals/dragons of ALL history 🎉
Just came across your channel. I first saw the Spyro 1 why it was so great video. I’m glad you’re still making content. Don’t stop please. You’re doing awesome
I’d certainly be interested in seeing how Cynder could fit into the “main” timeline’s more comedic tone.
This was well made and brought a lot of good memories back 🖤 Cynder I love youuuuuu 😭
watching this AGAIN made me cry, shows how powerful nostalgia and likeness for a character can be, still praying toys for bob add her too the classic timeline, it would mean a lot too people, but i wonder Miharu, who would you want too voice act her, think a collab follow up video with crystalblazier talking about what you guys would like too see toys for bob do if they were too bring her back, like what you think her back story should be, who should voice them, what they could look like (if we're not using the "concept" art) a video like this too round out the year of the dragon would be interesting too see what you and other people think of a possible cynder return, we could also influence toys for bob and give them idea's
Fingers crossed we get a Legends of Spyro reignited release like they did with the first three games. I missed out on these when I was a kid and now they are HELLA expensive as an adult that pays taxes and rent DX
They aren't that expensive getting used (except Dawn of the Dragon on PS3) while if you have a good PC you can just emulate them anyways so they run at HD resolution and all that stuff.
Cynder in DotD was the sole purpose i got interested in the franchise and what na awesome journey it was(Hope still will)
I love cinder and would love to see her in future titles but I think the other dragons in the trilogy deserve to see screen time again too.
Where's the love for my boy, Ignitus? My man did not throw himself into the fire belt to be forgotten by the fandom.
Happy to have Provided my own Thoughts in a video like this, Really hoping whenever Spyro 4 becomes a reality, We have Cynder return as a Main stay
Dawn of the Dragon was my introduction to the Spyro games! I absolutely adored Cynder from the moment I saw her. She has such an incredibly striking design and her abilities in-game were such a thrill to use. I clearly started off on the best possible entry point.
I remember rewriting the eternal night in 2020 to try and save my sanity from boredom and isolation. I wrote that Cynder was still under Malefor’s control, she leaves the temple to draw Spyro away into an ambush by the apes- but Spyro is able to escape because for a moment Cynder was able to take back control telling Spyro to run and get Ignitus.
Cynder is still technically chained up but that’s because she constantly breaks free from the mind control and attacks the apes every chance she gets.
In Dawn of the dragon I remember writing when Cynder got her elemental powers Poison, wind, fear, and shadow she gets a bit of sadistic enjoyment from attacking the enemies which worries Spyro.
I also wrote a boss battle where Spyro gets kidnapped and go dark Spyro mode, with Cynder being the one to fight and free Spyro. I also wrote a scene where Cynder and Sparx share a moment worry about Spyro together and kind of make fun of Spyro’s character. (Meanwhile Spyro sneezes)
While fighting Spyro, Cynder almost succumbs to darkness but it’s Sparx that snaps her out of it and then the fight resumes. Sparx gets hurt during the fight and Sparx is forced to stay behind with the others while they fight Malefor.
I also wrote an epilogue where Sparx tells baby dragons about Spyro and Cynder. In this story Spyro and Cynder do die but reincarnates into Flame (Spyro) and Icicle (Cynder) with Sparx reminiscing about the old days missing Spyro and Cynder, not knowing that Flame and Icicle are them.
Question- if Cynder wasn’t corrupted by darkness what kind of elements would she have? Fire, Earth, Electricity, or ice? I’m on team ice because it’s COOL… I’ll leave.
Cynder is one of those characters that really feels like, despite her various appearances in both form and relation to the story, she's never been done wrong or in a way thats bad. Skylanders Academy leaning on Classic Spyros more prideful and cocky nature had felt over baring at times and would probably feel even more so to those who see Legend as the their ideal version of Spyro, but even though Cynder went through an equally big jump in how she was portrayed she's still (at least to me) one of the best characters in that show and one of the best portrayals of the character.
I only really played New Beginning for GBA, which was very slimmed down story-wise, with none of Cynder's ties to the apes mentioned. Yes, she captured 3 of the main dragons, but I can't recall anything happening after defeating her to beat the game. Her dark form was black and when she went back to normal, was indigo/purple. A lot of this lore is new to me :0
The legend of Spyro a new beginning is one of the first ever games that got me into video games and one of the first ones I ever played. David Spade was a great voice actor for Sparks
Best Spyro Character. ❤
I hope we see her again in Spyro 4. Spyro and Cynder forever! 💜🔥🐲
i personally grew up with the legends series, so it holds a special place in my heart, i love it, despite its flaws. i hope they keep producing spyro games, being hd remakes, or new ones.
Cynder was a character I could really relate to in my life. I love her as a character and would love to see her come back in games or shows. We love u Cynder!
Cynder is my favorite dragon girl over Sisu and few others. She is LITERALLY OP when it comes to her Shadow element. Trust me, i played Dawn of the Dragon. All hail the beautiful dragoness!!!
This game in a heroes tale were my introduction to Spyro. And what an introduction and also I love the fact that Sparks just sounded like Cusco from the Emperor's new groove
Cynder, ever since I was a kid, was my favorite. She carried the Spyro trilogy for sure. I love her!
Looking back at DOTD I feel like I notice how much the magical snake chain was used as an excuse for the game being multiplayer, sticking together, and sharing one screen 😂 i mean its cool though, you get to play as her still
2:17
I KNEW IT!
Whenever I saw Cynder in her adult form.
I said to myself “Hey, she looks kind of like Maleficent”.
The nostalgia. 'The legend of Spyro: a new beginning' and 'The legend of Spyro: Dawn of the dragon' my first two Spyro games. There's a middle game, but I couldn't get it at the time, though I did watch the game play. Amazing Trilogy.
Cynder remains to be one of my favorite characters to this day, in the long growing list of favorite characters 😅
They really changed her personality for each game, especially Skylanders. They kinda gave her a sassy villain vibe, one of her voice lines is legit "I'm evil, so what?" lol. Anyways, I really hope they bring her back in a future game cuz she's awesome and badass deserves more love
The og scalie dragon waifu
Oh my moons, it’s surreal hearing StormArkaian, a friend I knew for years, to appear in a video.
So I've played the DoftD a bunch of different times, and first time playing it with my sister.. her and I cried because I hadn't been able to beat it until then. We totally skipped the other two games in favor of that one. and I really just.. the musical score just helped with the feelings. I still love the og 3 games but these three were up there. I love both them. I would absolutely love to see a return of Cynder if and when we get a Spyro 4, maybe she's redone or re-casted as our villain of the 4th but it's more polished better written, and maybe we get her mid-way of the game before it's end so she can have those needed char developments as Spyro and her battle it out to the end game. beating what ever big bad they are facing. her helping Spyro at the end reprises her confidence in herself and redeems her as a hero rather than a villain. In other words write her like Bianca!!
When Cynder said you don't know pain little one when she was big kinda hurt me which showed me that she hated the torture.And remember it, which was heatt breaking and it shows you she didn't want to be bad but had too.
A New Beginning was my introduction to the Spyro franchise as a kid. It's one of first games I remember playing and it's safe to say it became my personality for a long time growing up lol. At the whims of my parents buying me games, I played A New Beginning, then Dawn of the Dragon on Wii, then back to Eternal Night which I never finished. But this version of Spyro and all its edgy, Elijah Wood, dark reboot-ness is my definitive Spyro lol.
The first and third games sound like the best to me, but I never knew any of this great work.
Dawn of the Dragon was the only game I did of that trilogy, but that was all I needed!!! the soundtrack was the GOAT!!!!
私も大好きですが、これはCynderの素晴らしい空想でした。