Inside the Mini Skid Steer Factory - Who Makes Them?

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  • @jeffb7255
    @jeffb7255 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I’m still hooked on these videos. Thank you

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Awesome. I’m glad you like them!

  • @LatitudeSky
    @LatitudeSky 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    That was impressive. Basically, these machines are hand-made. Chinese factories get a bad wrap for automated cheap production. But this looked like a small operation you might see anywhere, doing the work by hand. No robots except the cutter. Yes the shop needs sweeping out and yes all the fire extinguishers are at the exit. But this is also hallmarks of a small shop. I like it. I can relate to it. We all know local shops like this where it may not be the cleanest place but they are the go-to for whatever they do. I got that feeling from this. Thanks for sharing it!

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes. That’s what it looks like. No big bad production line. Just a few guys making it happen. I don’t have any issues with mine. My track came off yesterday and I was able to put it back on in a few minutes. Not bad! I think the track was off due to user error. Sigh…..
      I’m glad the video was useful and informative.

    • @henrikleong1234
      @henrikleong1234 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Time for consumers to wake up to the truth.
      The American government has been lying to the citizens all this while.
      😂😂😂

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@henrikleong1234Isn’t that what the government is for? Lol

    • @一个说话大声的中国人
      @一个说话大声的中国人 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Buying directly from the manufactures, that's why the internet commerce is more developed in China, and why the prices are low, because the consumers don't pay for the dealers and shopping malls.

  • @mohdsufian6326
    @mohdsufian6326 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Very nice a small factory like a family business able to produce such thing

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yup. It does look like that.

  • @okiedoke6373
    @okiedoke6373 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    That was a badass video thanks for posting

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks. I appreciate the feedback!

  • @crockett84sonny
    @crockett84sonny 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I appreciate you sharing all this and your experience with the machine. I will probably be purchasing one of these units in the near future

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks for watching. I appreciate the feedback. I’m going to tackle my biggest project yet today. I’m going to put this machine through it paces! lol.

    • @crockett84sonny
      @crockett84sonny 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@OurLifeInTrees Nice!! I hope you get video of it. Definitely will be checking it out!

  • @bmk8018
    @bmk8018 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    nice seeing the factory. Thanks

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it.

  • @KanakaMaoli1
    @KanakaMaoli1 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I like that tee shirt, bunker. Demo ranch fan

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Haha nice! Me too, obviously. Matt is awesome.

  • @bobbyr8071
    @bobbyr8071 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Handsome loader there ladies, snatch one up. It comes with many attachments 🤣🤣🤣

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha

    • @VortexVibe634
      @VortexVibe634 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He’s English is actually good, he might have translated some words directly from “Chinese” to English, would love to see you trying saying all that back to Chinese 😂

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@VortexVibe634haha right? The AI subtitles were hard enough to translate. lol

    • @bobbyr8071
      @bobbyr8071 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@VortexVibe634 no I wasn’t talking about deans English. It’s pretty good. I was trying to go for the double entendre joke. U didn’t read the second part? 🤣

  • @450rhino1
    @450rhino1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for sharing this.

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching.

  • @regsparkes6507
    @regsparkes6507 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A little different 'factory tour' than we'd see here in North America! :) Bit I have no doubt that the work gets done too.

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I know right? I think OSHA would have a meltdown. We can’t even have a cord laying on the floor in our shop, “trip hazard”. lol.

    • @regsparkes6507
      @regsparkes6507 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@OurLifeInTrees Wouldn't they though? 😀

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@regsparkes6507OSHA and some of the safety rules are like if we wrap kids in plastic bubbles. lol

    • @regsparkes6507
      @regsparkes6507 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@OurLifeInTrees Next up,..... rubber chainsaw chains! :)

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@regsparkes6507 hahahahaha. I can actually see that!

  • @thegarbagegladiators4735
    @thegarbagegladiators4735 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude. I'm sold. Just don't have the money hahaha! But I think I will use this company when I do. 450 WILL be my choice.

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nice. I really like mine. It’s a fun toy.

  • @wiresbringit
    @wiresbringit 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm looking forward to the weights (Machine with/without counter balance and full of fuel, plus each attachment) video!

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am too. It’s over 100 degrees here this weekend. MISERABLE out! lol. When it cools off some.

  • @arthurvandeman
    @arthurvandeman 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    excellent👌

  • @parexc07
    @parexc07 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ....My advice is to program the CNC cutter and make some steel racking shelfs down that long wall, it would pickup about 50-75% more floor space

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That would be a good idea

  • @KUBBI7488
    @KUBBI7488 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    another great video!!!

  • @morrisster
    @morrisster 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really want to see the brush cutter put in work. It would potentially be good for clearing and maintaining trails

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is awesome. I made a video a couple weeks where I show how it works.

  • @Mikefestiva
    @Mikefestiva 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video, thanks for sharing 👍
    Nice to see the factory tour 😊
    Pretty interesting, seems like a pretty decent place.

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I appreciate it. It is interesting. Not what I had imagined.

  • @gunnerranch
    @gunnerranch 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great videos. I had a chinese machine with a gas motor and wish I went diesel.

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I am about to order a V1000 diesel. I like my current machine, but think that one might be even better.

    • @gunnerranch
      @gunnerranch 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @OurLifeInTrees definitely last longer. Make sure you tighten all nuts and bolts on that machine too

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@gunnerranch My mini excavator was that way. But this skid steer, there was nothing I needed to do to it and I’m 15 hours in. Definitely a difference in quality.

  • @googleboy7
    @googleboy7 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Hi, I just ordered a V1000 from Dean yesterday. Great guy to work with. Can't wait to get it. How long did it take to get yours? Thank you for your videos. They really helped me make the decision to buy the mini-skid. 😊 Shalom/gw

    • @dhurst707
      @dhurst707 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I want to get one of those too. How much did it run you?

    • @googleboy7
      @googleboy7 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      H @dhurst707 I got mine from the same place that Gregory got his. I also bought a log grapple and a tilt bucket for snow. Sorry, I don't want to quote prices, but you can contact Dean if you like. I can tell you that the Derette was much less than the domestic brands. And my assesment from my research is that they are every bit as good. We'll ses. I'l be posting a video review after I get it. Good Luck! Shalom/gw

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I appreciate you watching. Glad they help. It took about to months to manufacture and ship to me. I wanted next day air…. Hahah

    • @Jonathan-L
      @Jonathan-L 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Googleboy7, is it an easy process to place an order, arrange payment when buying direct from China? I'm contemplating getting a ripper attachement for a Cat M315 excavator. I've found a factory on the internet, located at Yantai (Shandong province) who makes the attachment, but of course I can't expect the buying process to be a simple as ordering a screwdriver from Aliexpress. Perhaps I need to engage a 'freight forwarding' agent in my country who can handle all the necessary aspects of the ordering, payment & delivery? I welcome any ideas. Cheers from the south west coast of the island of Australia :)

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Jonathan-L I did DDP shipping and it shipped right to me on the middle of the US. East

  • @fullthrottle2656
    @fullthrottle2656 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What brand are the hydraulic pumps on that machine?

  • @TimothyJung-q1n
    @TimothyJung-q1n 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello, my u-tube friend. Thanks for all the videos. The reason I went with Derrett is because of your videos. I just ordered a Derrett DRT 450 with the counterweights and 4 different attachments from Dean. I do have a question or two. How long did you run the engine after receiving it before you changed the oil and hydraulic fluid? How hard is it to change the oil? Was the gas ok to run the engine after transporting across the Pacific Ocean? Also is there an on off valve from the fuel tank to the engine? Can you tell me the ground pressure of the tracks? Just curious. Nowhere could I find that info. PS keep up the awesome videos.

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching them!
      Dean really helped me out.
      You should change the oil after 10 hours and the hydraulic fluid after 50 hours. I haven’t changed mine yet but I really need to.
      The gas was fine. I needed more gas so I added some. I don’t know about the fuel switch. No idea about ground pressure from it either.
      Thanks again!

  • @peterswalmen
    @peterswalmen 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice to see some of the reasons why producing there is way cheaper. That mess on the floor shows that an injured worker is not much of a problem for them?

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No idea, maybe that or maybe they just know to step over stuff and don’t look for excuses to get hurt to they can get workers comp? 🤷‍♂️. I know my employees make jokes sometimes about getting hurt so they can take time off work and get paid. That’s the American way for the newer generations right? Less work, more money. I’m more old school, work hard and get paid more.

  • @kelRGo
    @kelRGo หลายเดือนก่อน

    Was there a cost breakdown video???

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not yet but I plan to make one. I paid about $8500 shipped to me in Oklahoma plus the attachments came in a separate crate because I ordered so many. lol. They were another $8k

  • @balamala2647
    @balamala2647 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can Derette machines receive attachments from different brands?

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Toro Dingo and most other Chinese brands are the same.

  • @grantunderhill6451
    @grantunderhill6451 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What are the differences between the three separate models

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don’t know about them all. I have the 450 with a Honda engine. Goto their website, www.deretteloader.com and you can see them all

  • @hammertime7834
    @hammertime7834 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    cool

  • @ad0130
    @ad0130 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. Your content is very informative. What do you recomend to buy first for a small farm jobs? I'm looking to buy a mini excavator or skid steer.

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you. I appreciate the feedback.
      If it were me, I would buy a mini skid and a bunch of attachments. I do like my excavator for pulling stumps, digging holes, etc but the skid is so damg handy for small jobs around the house.

  • @Jv-jl5hf
    @Jv-jl5hf 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice video. What motor has your machine ?
    I’m thinking to order the t800 is same as yours ?

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Mine is a DRT450 with a Honda gas engine.

  • @Omn1cy
    @Omn1cy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm interested in ordering one of these but a bit worried about the process. Do you have to pick it up at a shipyard somewhere or how does that work?

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I had it shipped DDP which means it came right to me in Oklahoma. I had it delivered to a forklift sales and service place. They loaded it on my trailer for me.

  • @okiedoke6373
    @okiedoke6373 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Say I like that laser dry bed no smoke plasma you have to flood the part to keep the smoke out or mass vent hoods if them people were getting paid with their worth that would be badass 5:50

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s a cool machine. I was impressed when I saw it!

  • @FLQ309L
    @FLQ309L 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How thick is the frame?

  • @AndTheCorrectAnswerIs
    @AndTheCorrectAnswerIs 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They REALLY need a production manager who knows how to clean, organize, and streamline their production space. Simple pallet racking would save tons of production space and allow a much better workflow. I am convinced that most of the Chinese quality problems that customers experience stem from the lack of organization and the random approach to production in Chinese factories. They should go tour Japanese, German, or American factories.

    • @joep1253
      @joep1253 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was thinking the same thing, the workflow is chaotic. It’s no wonder they have quality issues. They could learn a lot from modern manufacturing processes.

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Some would help. Yet these machines don’t seem to have quality issues like some others or older Chinese equipment.

    • @BPXiao-q3r
      @BPXiao-q3r 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@joep1253 因为这是中国的小工厂(我们称之为小作坊),不能和中国的大型制造业公司相比如比亚迪、三一重工

  • @jonathancalderon7682
    @jonathancalderon7682 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Are those spot welds only?

    • @李得胜-z2j
      @李得胜-z2j 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      no,that's just to help locate

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, I noticed that the frames he showed weren’t finished welded yet. They were just tacked and not finished. The finished products have nice beads. I guess a different guy tacks them and another comes in later and finishes the weld.

  • @rickh9507
    @rickh9507 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was really expecting to see some kids or some sweatshop style warehouse😂

  • @CJMarco-nq1yf
    @CJMarco-nq1yf 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    While I'm all for being able to purchase a low priced mini skid steer that was made abroad, I am concerned about the quality of some of the steel that they use for the more critical components? While this looks very impressive, I've seen videos of guys replacing components early on in their use because these parts don't wear well. Im okay with the Honda and Perkins or Kubota motors. Skiddish about the Chinese motors.

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agreed. My Chinese mini excavator I have had for over a year and so far so good. I will see how long this mini skid lasts!

  • @rikkilee9409
    @rikkilee9409 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    was he giving the weather report???

  • @fullthrottle2656
    @fullthrottle2656 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you wish you would have gone for the V1000 or you happy with your 450??? Im just going back and fourth on it

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s a great question. The V1000 costs more and is heavier. With my 1/2 ton truck, I wanted lighter. I was trying to pick up some logs today, and wished the machine weighed more.
      I hear the v1000 controls are a lot better to control the operation.
      I plan to get a v1000 and compare the two in the future.

    • @eougemqingzhouwade7470
      @eougemqingzhouwade7470 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@OurLifeInTrees You can try to our SK1250

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eougemqingzhouwade7470where would I try it?

  • @GuillermoGaribay-f3l
    @GuillermoGaribay-f3l 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey how can I order a trencher?

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Contact Dean with Derette at Dean@deretteloader.com. Let him know I sent you.

  • @rickh9507
    @rickh9507 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is the alibaba website legit. I have never used it and im really skeptical from the negative things i have heard. I also live in california. Would it be possible to get one shipped here?

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I bought mine on Alibaba. I had never done it before and was super nervous. I heard the same negative stuff. I had mine shipped from China to Oklahoma and everything went fine.

  • @jamesminard1867
    @jamesminard1867 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How do I get ahold of Dean

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can click the Alibaba link in the description and message from there

    • @Dean-derette
      @Dean-derette 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hello this is Dean you can contact me by email:dean@deretteloader.com

  • @Outdoorswithlogdog
    @Outdoorswithlogdog 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wouldn’t OSHA have a field day? Lmao.

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would imagine OSHA would lose their minds!

  • @kenric1460
    @kenric1460 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This factory is chaotic. Not very efficient. Check out the factory that Ebikeschool visited in China, that factory also made some small excavator type machines. And it's well organized and they have a real assembly line. Place was really nice and modern.

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah ebikeschool has some cool videos.

  • @bensusor
    @bensusor 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can’t find Honda one for that price

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did you message Dean and ask how much it is with a Honda?

  • @RickBunce
    @RickBunce 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No wood spliter what the heck

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They make two versions. My new machine is coming with a log splitter.

  • @Outdoorsy368
    @Outdoorsy368 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    103 degrees?! Careful not to spontaneously combust, where in the heck are you?🥵

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Outside of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Hot hot hot in August! lol

    • @Outdoorsy368
      @Outdoorsy368 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @OurLifeInTrees whew, that's why I love it here in Michigan, winters can be be brutal but no 103s!!! Stay safe and love your vids bro!

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Outdoorsy368thank you. I went to school in Michigan for a couple years. I remember bitter cold!! I had to have a winter beater to keep my nice car from rusting. Yuck yuck! I hate the heat, but hate the bitter cold even more. lol

  • @hammertime7834
    @hammertime7834 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    james freeman youtube channel

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is that a police channel?

    • @hammertime7834
      @hammertime7834 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@OurLifeInTrees no its a patriot channel

  • @henrikleong1234
    @henrikleong1234 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If American government cannot compete with other countries to lower the cost of production than they should let the consumer decide.
    😂😂😂😂
    It won't solve the problems by increasing tariffs.
    The consumers will suffer by paying higher prices.
    😂😂😂😂

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Off the tariffs go up, it just means guys like me will pay more. Honestly, if the tariff was 200%, it would still be tens of thousands cheaper than an American made model.

  • @giggitygiggitygoofg6069
    @giggitygiggitygoofg6069 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wot a messy, unorganized workshop. Supprised anything actually gets completed in that shop

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe so, but they make awesome machines there.

  • @Jetskijunk
    @Jetskijunk 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a mess, zero organisation in that place. Imagine needing a spare part.

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think the people that put the parts on there know where they are. lol Somehow they figure it out and put out some great machines.

    • @bobbyr8071
      @bobbyr8071 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      organization not organisation 😂😂😂

  • @AA-mk4pu
    @AA-mk4pu 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That place is a MESS! No thanks

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They make some nice stuff in the mess.

  • @King_TuTT
    @King_TuTT 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm sick of cheap Chinese crap.

    • @Dean-derette
      @Dean-derette 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's not junk; it's made very well. Our factory focuses on authenticity, and it can withstand any test.

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I’m sick of all crap. Not sure what that has to do with my videos. I like quality stuff.

    • @King_TuTT
      @King_TuTT 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Dean-derette good to know. Usually stuff coming from china is low quality.

    • @King_TuTT
      @King_TuTT 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@OurLifeInTrees usually stuff coming from china is cheap and breaks. if this is quality I say go for it. In my experience China is always making junk. but if this is quality good equipment I would get one and use it.

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@King_TuTT It’s like Harbor Freight. Years ago everything there was crap and lucky for one time use. Now, only half is crap and the other half is actually good stuff.

  • @BrightthgirB
    @BrightthgirB 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is what im talking about💪 Help the little guys out by showing us the wholesaler🫡

    • @OurLifeInTrees
      @OurLifeInTrees  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s my thoughts exactly.