What next for the wannabe F1 giant that's been part-sold
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- If a wannabe Formula 1 giant is on the right track, would it be part-sold and should it be championing a season that ended considerably less competitive than it started as one with ‘no negatives at all’?
It’s what you might be asking about Aston Martin, which towards the end of 2023 made a significant announcement: outside investors were coming in for the first time since Lawrence Stroll’s consortium bought the assets of Force India in 2018.
The news followed quite intense speculation about Stroll’s intentions for the team, and came at the back of a season in which Aston Martin had genuinely been F1’s most improved team - but had also been on a worrying decline.
There had been unsubstantiated rumours for a while that, five years on from creating what would morph into what we now know as Aston Martin, Stroll was looking for a way out.
That also coincided with questions about his son Lance’s future after a rough run through the middle of the season.
But the message from Aston Martin is clear: Lawrence is going nowhere, Aston Martin the brand is going nowhere, and this team is dead serious about its intentions.
00:00 Aston Martin's major news
02:57 Disappointing?
05:24 Key weaknesses
07:08 Is it ready yet?
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The offseason makes every minuscule piece of news a big deal.
“Checo sneezed-what this means for Red Bull in 2024”
Lack of driver exchanges or better yet no driver changes triggers these types of situations. But FIA came to the fans calling with Wolff vs FIA😂
OMG he sneezed? Clearly that means Max is going to Williams, and Red Bull is putting an actual bull in the other seat beside Checo.
End of the year... how to keep pumping content when nothing happens?
@@SeanMather "putting an actual bull in the other seat" LMAO the picture I got in my mind reading that😂
Maybe audi withdraws? Maybe alonso goes to another team? Ah no actually nobody knows ..
Oh ffs this bullshit news.
The idea that Stroll wants to get out seems like pretty empty speculation: successful business gains new investor, big whoop.
Right? Renault an Mclaren both did the same thing in the summer, nobody thinks they are on the way out.
The Race is basically just a tabloid at this point. They will talk about anything that will get views, even if they have to make it up.
Maybe he's trying to start a tennis venture?
There are issues with Lance whose consistent lack of points through the season kept them from being two places higher
It comes from only caring about backing his son. It doesn't come from "nowhere"
@@AD-df5tmwrong
Considering where the team was in 21/22, 2023 was a major success.
Agree, this video is dumb. It's reading too far into a Mike Krack quote and nitpicking. I'm sure they're all over the moon with this season. "No negatives" could easily just mean that they hit or exceeded all of their goals for the season.
AM had a consistent delta to RB all season. The only thing that happened is that Merc and Ferrari were nowhere at the start then closed the gap to RB. And McLaren happened.
How can people forget that starting in the midfield Max overtook Alonso who took P1 at the start on lap 13 in Saudi?
@@meikgeik yes but aston objective is to become a podium contender in 2024 so his points are all valid for the 2024 season, the team made a stelar job but theres a lot to fix in orther to trully be top 2-3 troughout the whole season.
Nobody ever misses an opportunity to say "Mike Krack"
WHERE MY KRACKHEADS AT
Or Mike Hunt for that matter
"What's next for the wannabe F1 giant that's been part sold"
Meanwhile there's been an actual giant (Mclaren) that's been entirely sold to yet another national wealth fund but no video's been made on that
Is it recently or already been sold? Im casual fans and not aware of that information.
@@TunaStrata It was announced this month. Essentially the Bahrain government now owns McLaren
Browns should not be allowed to own legendary teams
@@USMCLib3rty i have no specific opinion toward him. But considering how luckluster the team performance since turbo era, i understand your pov.
@@TunaStrataooooooofff... he's not talking about Zak. I wondered when this...(we'll call it Xenophobic for now) attitude would surface.
This guy probably hates that the season begins & ends in "brown" countries as well. I'll let you come to your own conclusions.
The rise of the Aston Martin F1 team for me is one of the most interesting stories on the grid, I hope they don’t slowdown or stop now when it appears they could be on the verge of great consistent results! Great engine deal, great lead driver, new infrastructure and new experienced personnel, looking forward to seeing what can be achieved in 24\25!
I agree. Their improvement is kind of shocking. Sure they ended up 5th in the championship but in a season where 2-5 was so close that is damn impressive. Not to mention that is with the worst lineup of the 4.
Imagine if they could get someone like Sainz, Hulkenberg, Albon or even one of the Alpine drivers.
My thoughts are Stroll is hedging his bets, he may have the intention to carry on in F1 but pragmatism is definitely a strength.
What I seen in the season is that Aston started the season with an illegal car because the front wing flaps was to flexible. Maybe other parts also we don't know much about it because it was a secret move by FIA. Aston was force to change the front wing concept so they did lose the corner speed and car balance but first if all the amazing tyre handle and management. After came the new tyres and they totally was lost except when the temperature was cold like Zandvoort so is confirm Alonso very small working window report. What happened After this is what really counts,because they had to adjust the sidepods, floor,rear wing literally the whole car to the new front wing. They made a lot of test and we seen amazing improvements at end of the season and even Stroll was fast and confident again. Honestly I except Aston start strong the season with all those test,data and the smaller gearbox also will be a huge improvement not just in weight,but better floor.
I remember when RB were investing heavily in the team and a lot of people just wrote them off as upstarts. Aston Martin are in that same position now, it will be interesting to see where they are in a few years?
For me the biggest disappointment was Monaco, where a more aggressive strategy would probably have won them the race. Otherwise this was the team's second strongest season going right back to the Jordan days, behind only the '99 season when they won 2 races and were title contenders until impressively late in the season. The drop-off in performance toward the end was worrying, but I read it as AM having got their car so fundamentally right to begin with that there were only small incremental gains to be made whereas Mercades and McLaren made much bigger strides because their cars were very poor earlier in the season so there was more scope for improvement.
the complete contradiction of having high expectations and commitment to winning, but not having the balls to drop lance.
because he's a future WDC!
Get me Felipe. Lance can do Indy or WRC.
The new Aston Martin Technology centre (a la McLaren) is of course going to take a lot of capital but when it’s fully up and running, (and also with its own wind tunnel that can be hired out to other car developers 24/7/365 when they’re not using it) then I think some very serious F1 names will want a slice of that cake..
Just like Alonso going to RB: rumours. If AMR does get bought out, that would mean Stroll getting fired, and Stroll Sr. is not allowing it
Selling the team is the only way Papa Stroll is getting rid of his son. He knows he's backed into a corner in creating a winning team.
With Aston not only wanting to be a force in F1 but now spinning up a works hypercar program as well I think Lawrence needed some money from somewhere. The money from the sale is probably earmarked to get the hypercar program started and then getting Aramco to pay for at least some of the F1 teams budget makes sense if Lawrence is in it for the long term. Not only in F1 but for owning Aston Martin cars and the Hypercar program.
@@user-gd2lt7me1s 26% is still a significant voting share. He doesn't have to own the entire company to basically be in charge of it, he just has to own more than everyone else. I think you're also forgetting that he pulled the entire company out of bankruptcy. If he were to leave the company in haste it would still most likely collapse. In fact, the reason the company is now profitable is largely down to strolls leadership decisions (which he wouldn't have been able to make if he didn't have a voting majority).
strange piece jumping from one peculation to the other, from stroll's exit strategy then stroll not exiting at all. it was very early in stroll ownership that he also announced they needed more investments
This is just a great business move by a very successful businessman. This happens all the time.
A team's understanding of their car is highlighted through in-season development. Only Haas were worse than Aston Martin for that in 2023...
the FIA did some technical regulations that slowed them down a lot
They did recover quite well at the end tho
As an Alonso fan, I can only have faith in that AM knows what it's doing
Us moment bro 🥹
Man !! Knowing Alonso chances are team goes to hell. 😢😢 .. which I’m not rooting for. I m here for a Alonso win
As long as Lance is there we can safely say they don't know what they're doing.
@@dinidu913 i miss the r25 :
@@ThePerks2010 sadly, cash is king in F1
I would like to see Aston Martin succeed. But I just can't see it happen with Lance Stroll as one of their drivers. Lawrence must know that deep down, in the era of Lewis and Max, that his son cannot compete with them.
nonsense
Realistically, the thing that matters most is the car. Checo had the worst season of his career and still finished P2 in the standings. Stroll is capable of winning a championship if there was a worse driver next to him, and they built a RB19 level dominant car.
Aston Martin aren't going to be fighting for championships, or even race wins in 2024 or 2025, 2026 is their next chance to nail regulations, so until then it really doesn't matter who's driving, as long as the engineering team is good, working hard on the 2026 concept and has the infrastructure to see it through.
Lawrence Stroll is a multi billionaire and is crazy about auto racing. I mean for 20 odd years this guy owned a FIA grade 3 circuit in Montreal, which he had repaved, widened, extended the pit lane, widened the run-offs and did facility improvements on. And he only sold the track to fund his F1 team. Unless he is experiencing extreme financial hardship, I doubt he will be selling AMR anytime soon.
*me looking at the title of the video*: Oh Lord have some mercy
Makes complete smart investment sense. Aston is most likely at a high, that's the best time to recoup some of his investment
Stroll Senior says he wants to win but also gives a seat to his son, who is never going to win a championship. Lance is a good driver, but he's not a champion in the making, you could put him in Max's car and Max in an F2 car and Stroll would still struggle to beat him.
i believe that when AM brought their car to the track for testing they were still building the AM23 and adding what they may have thought was an advanced car that should have taken them well into the season, perhaps even close to the mid summer break. i dont think they were prepared for other teams to advance as quickly as they did and AM just werent prepared for it. maybe look at it like the brawn gp car of 09, when they brought just about all they had and just hoped no other team could catch up with them. brawn were very lucky that they got as far ahead as they did, perhaps partly because the other teams were complaining too much about the double diffuser instead of just designing one for their cars. anyway, its possible that AM thought their car was better than it actually was their upgrade packages were too far away for them to do anything much about it. its also telling that they are keeping lance even though if they want to get higher up the grid they need 2 strong drivers instead of one doing most of the heavy lifting, allowing the other to coast just because their daddy is the face of the team! its like verstappen being almost 300 points ahead of perez as opposed to lewis hamilton being only 59 points ahead of george russell. fernando had well over 100 points more than his much slower team mate. so a stronger second seat is a must if AM is to advance up the order.
No amount of investment or wind tunnel will make Lance Stroll a world champion driver. The engineering has to be better. That achievement will have to be done by another driver in a much improved car.
PS
I would love to have Lance’s skill as a driver and nerves of steel to hurl a car around a race circuit with blind corners. I just can’t help but wonder if he would have seat at the table if not for his Dad’s money. He couldn’t keep pace with Alonso and that speaks volumes.
"He couldnt keep pace with Alonso"
Why do everyone keep expecting Stroll to perform at wdc level ? 🤣
Heres a tip : on the 20 drivers on the grid, not half of them are wdc material 🤷♂️
But yeah, lets keep comparing Stroll to multiple wdc winners 🤦♂️
Hes a midpacker, stop expecting more; thats why they hired Alonso and Vettel ...
Well let's look at the $$$$ then. If Lance was half the driver Alonso was, Where would they have finished? Alonso had 206 points. Stroll needed 103 points to be half the driver. He had 74. Had he had 103 points, AM would have finished with 309 points. Where would that have put them in the standings? OUCH! They would have beat McLaren for 4th in the Constructors.
@@chrisccc22 still comparing him with a wdc, when hes more akin to a Zhou or Albon. Even Sergio doesnt look so good when compared to a wdc in the sane car 🤷♂️
@@Leo.Labine Stop. He's been a bum for quite some time. He'd be out two years ago had he been any other driver. Alonso was the rookie at the team. Did you see Monaco this year? Total embarrassment.
@@chrisccc22I have to say that one of the most interesting stories of F1 in recent times has been the meteoric resurgence of Fernando Alonso. I don't think any driver in his forties has been operating on Alonso's level before. The closest comparison would be with someone like Fangio, but the cars back then had only a third of the power at most and zero downforce... at the same age, Schumacher was well and truly past it...
Realistically he has to drop his son to really see any real returns on his investments, money wise. If he’s cool with dumping money into the team without winning but his happy that his son is living his dream, then he’s getting the returns he wants. Lance is an F1 driver, yes. A title winning F1 driver, no.
I imagine the investors would be a lot keener as well if they knew that two drivers stood a chance of points instead of just hedging everything on a 40yr old every race.
Aston Martin seems to need a lot time developing the 23 car . as they started quite early in 22 they had the time to do that but in season that doesn't work.
2024 is a big year for them to take another step. I hope they can manage it, we need more top teams
I wonder how much further along they'd be with two world class drivers giving feedback and not nepo boy
While I think most people want to look at the short term and say that 2023 was a failure given the in-season failure with the development and AM not being able to hold onto the top 3 position in Constructors I would say that overall it's been the exact opposite as most people wrote this team off at the start of the season. With Lawrence we're finally seeing the team effectively use its money and build that permanent state of the art HQ. The real question plaguing Aston Martin is whether they'll get the development right this time.
Even with their lack of decent development the car was still good enough that if they had a decent second driver they would likely have been competing with Ferrari and Mercedes for 2nd.
Acting like you will never sell is the best way to increase offers.
I will never tire of the enunciation of Mike Krack.
LOL, the "rumors" of AM were never based on anything said by anyone associated with the team. It has all been manufactured by the media,
I'm okay with static images, but can we get rid of the f1 game footage? It's ugly 😢
Did I miss any information about AM branching out to sportscars and Lance being sidetracked in that direction? A new investor may also want a better driver alongside Alonso.
Fire Lancelot?
1:51 - he's 150% headed for the door.
The car was fundamentally good but perhaps the car after the Canadian Grand Prix just wasn't working as well as Mercedes, McLaren or Ferrari. They managed to fix it for Brazil and Vegas and the car was back in the top 5 with not just Alonso but also Lance Stroll. I hope they've got a good design, engineering, vehicle dynamics and chassis team that knows what doesn't work so that the AMR24 is also a car that just works well like the AMR23 but with more aero load at all speed ranges.
The team wants second? Get rid of Lance.
Plus, if you call yourself a works team... you need to make your own engines...
Meh... rumors
Never even considered Aston selling because I feel like honestly their brand has seen the biggest bump through their involvement in F1, like Merc Ferrari Honda are all established brands but Aston’s stock was on the decline for a while before they joined F1 and got their name back out there
Observation: Being the benchmark, matching car setup with track characteristics is what RBR seems to get right most of the time.
Speculation: If dad is serious with winning championships, will he get another driver to replace his son?
What if Honda buys Aston and brands the team as Mugen Racing Honda?
With one merch item being toilet seat covers that say - The Power of Dreams
The biggest issue that AM has is Lanse, Everything else pails in comparison.
I think the whole thing around the sale of shares is just some media going all obvious sensationalism. Nothing all that strange about selling a minor stake. Aston have been in the sport for 4 years now, Stroll made it very clear that he is serious about this so why would he decide to step aside now? This is obviously a long term thing for him and Aston. And as if that is not enough, they just had a great season with huge improvement and a huge capital investment.
Acting like this had anything to do with Stroll or Aston stepping aside is pretty dumb.
The Stroll that should step aside is the one in the driver's seat, not the boardroom one.
Daddy Stroll needs to come to the realization that his son is not good enough.
I take ALL of Scott's reporting with huge grain of salt.
would you have called RedBull a wannabe F1 Giant too in 2007 or 2008 ?
Anyone can get into F1 with enough money. Stroll & Aston Martin is the current prime example. Aston would be a better team if they had someone with just as much money and a driver who wasn't there only because his dad is the money man.
Strulovic sold as much as he could on promise. Upcoming hurdle may be to find a driver (WDC#1) to outdrive the car if Alonso retires - say if he's sick of competing in the low end of the midfield.
1:50 "I'm not leaving" - Jordan Belfort (kidding Daddy Lawrence is not a very shady businessman).
if they want to be competitive they should replace lance with a decent driver. if he did not as good as Alonso but at least some top 5, AM would have secured 2nd in the constructor championship
Outside investment is just smart business, daddy Stroll was probably willing to foot the capital to get the team rolling with the intent to bring in outside investment later. Given their success early in 23, it was perfectly timed. It’s only too bad there isn’t an exit strategy for the younger Stroll. I suspect his dad will be around in F1 much longer than Lance will.
Mike crack never gets old
Most likely in sometime we might have the same situation like in football. Big boys or funds buying teams...
placing behind McLaren is an strategic advantge because they have more alloted windtunnel time. Coincentently timed with their own state of the art windtunnel at their own facitity.
First step to move forward... get rid of Lance ... 80% of the problems done ...
The car won't turn into a title contender just because you get rid of Lance.
@@soundscape26 alonso was the only driver to bring that car into points and podiums. What does lance do ?. suck.. and throw fits.
@@prozoomy3588 That's true yes, but from a car performance point of view the team cannot be focused on that... at least 80% of it.
@@soundscape26 yep I was pretty disappointed that they had such a nice start to the season only to decline later.
Maybe Mr. Strulovitch being the successful businessman that he is just sold enough to get his initial investment back.
The team's value is now nearly 10x what he initially put in. Wouldn't that just mean he's in it free and clear?
It is very simple - Lawrence is in the business of selling cars, and the biggest market for the type of cars that he sells is the Middle East. AM waining in the second half of the year is probably down to the move to the new facilities. I expect that they will also struggle in 2024 as they are getting the new tunnel in and understanding the difference between old and new. It will probably be 25/26 before the benefits are reaped.
What happened to all Lance's lower formula team's when the Stroll's left. 🤔
I could see Aston Martin being Andretti's ticket into F1 if his bid for a new team fails.
How, for that to happen, Lawrence would have to be willing to sell.
HAAS is far more likely to sell to Andretti than Aston Martin
@@F1ll1nTh3Blankshe said he was in like 2025 or 26 i think
@@cianeberle1712 No he didn't. They literally partnered with Honda for 2026, wtf are you talking about.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks I heard in an interview somewhere, I have no idea where tho so i could just be dumb
Lawrence knows what a flake Lance is, this is his exit strategy.
If Stroll wanted to get out now, he’d have sold to Andretti.
Aston Martin have realised that front loading your development will give you over the whole season better average results.
Arctos Partners LP, a sports team focused private equity fund, has acquired minority stake in a number of USA’s top professional sports team…Golden State Warriors, Sacramento Kings and Boston Red Sox…69% growth in past year to $6.6B. Suggests they see major growth in the American market for F1? Very much like Ryan Reynolds and his group acquiring 20% in Alpine F1 this year.
This seems like another click bait video, to unleash strolls bashers.
all your videos are all talk and no substance
It's the other stroll that needs to go
If you give up development early than you can immediately focus on next year. If you're serious about being a champ and have $ then you would immediately shift to next year if you don't honestly see yourself being in real contention for this year. It's actually smart. If your not 1st your last.
They should start by getting a serious 2nd driver
Sole reason Lawrence is owning that team in the first place, is because of his son. So Lance isn't going anywhere, except if he decides to leave himself, but how likely is that?
@@FabledGentleman It ain't happening. It still should.
F1 game footage goes hard
The big question is, when is he going to axe his own son and if so, will he continue to be as committed as he is now?
Slack and Krack, nice recruiting!! 💪😅
I remember when you told the news , now you make things up and hope that'll do.
Ive just unsubbed. There is no story here!
just did the same, thx for the impetus mate
The end of the year is not prone to exciting stories for videos.
@@soundscape26 while that might be true, why not post something less speculative instead?
there's tons of f1 content creators out there that can make content without being tabloid-y
i subbed because this channel used to be informative and concise. it became more and more clickbait reliant and now it's just too much.
or maybe they decided to focus on a specific target group now
I know, we have an 'oh no.. anyway' moment lol
Lance will hold them back from any real success
To Lawrence, Lance is just a business asset. That part of his investment isn't going to plan, so he's spreading his bets whilst still investing in Aston as a team.
Well they could start with the obvious thing that needs to go
Let's go, new driver
I give 3-5 years and in thst time he sells the f1 team.
Only bad thing about Aston is lance stroll, but since he is the son of the owner, he might not get replaced by a better driver
Aston`s bigest weakness is both storlls. Aston Martin is show potetential next season even when sen driving
Stroll is fed up because he wants his team to be seen as British. As a Canadian even he should be able to work out that isn’t going to happen.
aston martin is seen as british, what are you on about buddy?
Wtf are you on about? Aston is wholeheartedly British. "as a Canadian even he" and you randomly throwing shade at Canadians for some reason. Goofball.
The Strolls is the biggest issue
Hmmmmm! Everyone denying the same thing……🤥🤥🤥🤥
This news is not significant rumour mill type of news. Formula is exciting and attracting big players like Audi to join in including the likes of Andretti. This is just good business! And having an exit strategy is also good business and good investment management. What would be great business is the removal of lance stroll 🤣
Question: would Lance Stroll be driving in F1 if his dad wasn't the owner of the team?
With outside investment best time to achieve it is when you're doing well, more money for less of % of the team.
With investors now staking their money in the company is Lance Stroll still going to be racing for them? His underperformance relative to Alonso likely cost them millions in constructors prize money.
to name this project "serious" and having alonso-stroll as drivers ia a bad joke... i know, some will say alonso still having it, but... IT IS OLD. if aston martin dont pull a magic car from the hat, redbull wil get 2-3 more titles (24-25, maybe 26, with new tech rules in place). would alonso at that age be capable to fight for a title? i doubt....
Wow what a salty Title. 'The Race' didn't get VIP Paddock Access from Aston Martin or what
Lawerence is a businessman. He’s doing business.
Actually, The Race did see it coming in pre-season testing.
Many people laughed at the time, but The Race did get its predictions right. Aston Martin had made a huge leap forwards. I was one of the many who did not believe the reports.
A vettel + alonso team would be goated
stroll is using shadow companies to “buy in” to his own team to be able to drop lance due to “investor board pressure”
This will be Andretti in 5 years. You need very deep pockets to even dream about cracking the top three.
They started feeling the Seb effect mid season onwards.
By all means and rightfully so Alonso is a brilliant brilliant driver, but what Aston needed was beyond a brilliant driver which Seb was, he tirelessly worked in improving the car, the operations, the protocols.
I think Aston should lure Seb Back. More than Aston it is F1 who needs to lure Seb back for without him it's a freaking Circus.
Seb? And his bee's too?
@@bikerjon8934They can call it Seb's B(ee) Team'. ☺
You sure that is "part sold" or maybe just a capital expansion?
I hate this soap-opera gossip about F1. If Haas (who's owner hardly gives a damn about F1) isn't going anywhere, than neither is Aston-Martin. Not to mention the new factory isn't even finished yet. It's coming into full use next season isn't it?
Unsubstantiated rumours = youtube video fact, more of the nothing to report so lets start a new rumor
AM team only had 1.5 drivers per race