Again I find one of your videos priceless! I just bought my 1st pto implement, a MK Martin meteor snowblower. (Guaranteed to not get snow in Wisconsin this year! ) i like the spining it by hand idea, I do have everything lubed up where the friction spots would be. Thank you again for the time you take to explain for so many. I can't wait to post my 1st snowblower video of it in action.
man I want a snow blower so bad but here in Va we might get 2 inches a year. rarely we get hammered with 12 plus inches. our bad winters are ice storms. roads are shiny black ice. look forward to watching your snow blower in action.
seems to be holding up well. they make the original so its breaks easily. to easily in my opinion and they don't last long at all. the hose clamp is extremely durable a better compromise may be a large nylon zip tie. I used that on one previously but it to will break fairly quick from weather exposure.
the main reason why we do not cut the chain to length is because the chain needs to be able to grow a little. if you look at my video where I set up the top link on my finish mower you will see me back down a ditch. if the chain is to short it can not unwind and grow longer when backing the mower down a ditch line. also many times we use implements on various tractors and the chain needs to be long enough to fit them all. if you sell a mower and the chain has been cut and the new owner needs the chain longer but rather than adding chain he simply does not hook it up that could be bad. since you sold an altered piece of equipment you could be liable if something went wrong. these things likely will never happen but its better safe than sorry. wrapping it allows us to keep the full length as designed by the manufacturer which meets the osha safety requirements. if you don't wrap it and you certainly are not required to it will naturally wrap itself once the pto is engaged. some folks say you should just let it wrap itself. I only pre wrap the chain to keep it from jerking when the pto is engaged. I may be wrong for doing that but its a habit I have had for so many years its hard to break. lol ha ha I guess I'm like an old dog stuck in my ways to a degree. thanks for a great question and I really appreciate you watching my channel. I hope you find other interesting videos on my channel. if you have question please feel free to ask.
seems like that is what happens to a lot of folks. this little fix worked for me for many years and the guy who bought this hog off me is still using it this way with no issues at all. thanks for stopping by and commenting its always nice to hear from folks and get their point of view.
I like mine working properly and to work properly you need a chain to keep the outer shield from turning. trust me that spinning PTO shaft cover can rip stuff to pieces even sling a harmless bailing string like a giant weed eater that could slit your throat as you sit in the tractor seat. so yeah I prefer mine working as it should and I'm no safety sally I been known to take risk and throw caution to the wind.
That is dangerous advice. The chain is never supposed to wrap around the shaft and the plastic bearing is designed to be weak so it can break at the shaft end. Wrapping the chain and/or connecting it with a metal band can make the chain break on the wrong end (tractor end) and now you have a dangerous chain flying around at 540 RPM that can grab you and pull you into the PTO shaft or put your eye out. If your plastic chain connector breaks it is much safer to just let the protective cover spin freely and keep the plastic bearing well greased so that it will stop spinning when minimal resistance is applied.
99% of all pto safety chains rap around the pto shaft once its spinning. that is just simple fact. the bearing is not made to break at all the bearing is made from high density poly with extremely good wear properties for longevity. a chain can break at any point of attachment at anytime. a pto shaft is one of the most dangerous parts of a tractor. a person should never be anywhere near the PTO shaft when the tractor is running for any reason at all to avoid the dangers associated with its use. when you allow a pto shield to simply spin with the shaft you can create wear between the two pto shields against each other as well as create a situation where heat build up could weld the plastic bearing to the outer shield and inner race if not greased. the main purpose of this video is to stress the importance of safety shields and keeping them functioning in the manner they are designed. pto spins, safety shield stays stationary. keeping aware of the proper function of your safety shield is key. replacing the safety shield with a new shield is a better option but this option works and I have never had any issues ever with it set up this way. however allowing one to spin freely has caused issues. tall grass and saplings have rapped around the spinning shield and created enough heat to weld the plastic shield together. if a bailing wire or string wraps around the spinning safety shield you have a very dangerous situation with spinning objects and debri being thrown up from the safety shield itself. I would certainly not call my video "dangerous advice" I would call simply allowing it to spin a " Dangerous practice ". a lot of people ignore the safety shield all together, never grease it, never attach the chain to the tractor and just let the chain wrap around and the safety shield spin. that is dangerous!
What I meant to say is the plastic hook that the chain attaches to, not the bearing . That is why they are always made of plastic. That should be the weakest part so it breaks at the shaft if something is going to break. These two videos explain it better than I can. th-cam.com/video/bufSQZ0Bqzc/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/IdGbJNbVHwA/w-d-xo.html
those are just opinions, and conflicting opinions at that. one states to not even use a chain and let it run free which also states at the beginning of the video that it does not apply to all countries including the USA where using the chain is required by OSHA. of course adjusting the chain to a shorter length is a fine idea but if its not wrapping around the shaft more than one and a half to two full turns then it likely wont hurt a thing. I needed extra chain where I was hooking up for raising and lowering the three point. in the video you referenced they are setting the chain up on a rear mounted implement that is not raised and lowered by the three point but rather pulled by the draw bar instead of the three point. sure the plastic hook is the weakest point by design. a very convenient design that leaves people to have two options. 1 replace the entire safety shield at quite a large cost. 2 leave it disconnected which is against OSHA in the USA. or now 3 my happy medium method of this fix at a low cost and still maintain some level of compliance and safety. at the end of the day we can pick any video about anything and find discrepancies, but all that will do is shatter the inspiration of folks who want to share to the point that they will NO LONGER share information and make video content.
its been covered below, but to say it again! THIS IS DANGEROUS! Dont wrap the chain. adjust it properly to your unit i.e., cut the chain to length from the hook end. it looks like you only need 2 or 3 links for your application. the plastic tab is designed to be a "weak" point and break away on the shaft end once its gone, it time to replace it. a metal band does not allow this and could cause it to break off from the hook end and fling a chain around at 540 rpm, thus making it an UNsafety chain. just like you are talking about how the barbed wire can turn in to a weapon, so will your chain.
thanks for the comment. the chain is not that long although I admit in the video its a little long. they do need to have some play for when raising / lowering the implement as well as driving over hills and ditches. this is a very light duty chain and I make a habit to keep my PTO shield well lubricated and in good working condition. the chains come a certain length and do not need cutting. it hurts nothing to wrap the chain around the shield. no where in the safety shield safety instructions does it say to cut the chain or not to wrap the chain slack around the shield. there is no reason for the chain to break if the shield is kept working properly. more likely what will happen is the hose clamp will simply slip on the smooth shield outer housing. in the video I mention not over tightening it. the only purpose of the chain is to keep the safety shield from spinning. most people never hook up the chain they simply let the shield spin. I been running this like this for years with zero issues. it was far less expensive than paying 150.00 or more for a new safety shield which again 99% of people just leave it spinning or take the shield off completely. this repair is by far better than no safety shield at all or just allowing the shield to spin free. would a new replacement shield be better? absolutely! but honestly 99% of people will not replace one. they may however do this mod to keep the shield from turning. they also may get the main point of this video "that the safety shield is important and should be working at the least to not be a spinning shaft there". I'm sorry that you and one other person could not grasp the main point of this video. it went completely over your head. it is truly sad also for me that I have to me made to feel guilty for trying to offer a suggestion to folks who may not be able to afford a 150.00 new shield. if I had the money I would buy everyone who needs a new shield a new one. I don't have that sort of money so I offered what I do have a solution, again not a perfect solution but a solution none the less. thanks for pointing out how wrong I was for offering a solution. you successfully ruined my night.
Again I find one of your videos priceless! I just bought my 1st pto implement, a MK Martin meteor snowblower. (Guaranteed to not get snow in Wisconsin this year! ) i like the spining it by hand idea, I do have everything lubed up where the friction spots would be. Thank you again for the time you take to explain for so many. I can't wait to post my 1st snowblower video of it in action.
man I want a snow blower so bad but here in Va we might get 2 inches a year. rarely we get hammered with 12 plus inches. our bad winters are ice storms. roads are shiny black ice. look forward to watching your snow blower in action.
My Land Pride was delivered (RCR 1260) without a safety chain. Thanks for this video!
Glad it helped! I like to make sure my safety shields and chains are working as they should be. glad you found the video useful.
Love the tip, Dave. My one rotary cutter lost the connection hook, so now I'll try this style hook-up. Thanks again, Dave.
seems to be holding up well. they make the original so its breaks easily. to easily in my opinion and they don't last long at all. the hose clamp is extremely durable a better compromise may be a large nylon zip tie. I used that on one previously but it to will break fairly quick from weather exposure.
Great fix solution. Thank you for sharing.
thanks for stopping by and commenting
Great tip Dave. Glad to see u out and about.
thank you I'm happy to be outside. been feeling right bad still though. I go back for more treatment this month.
Thank you for the good explanation.
hope you have success with yours
@@daveknowshow I'm an older woman with arthritis but it's going ok. Thank you.
@@turleyite I know the feeling my arthritis makes it hard to hook up as well. If I dont keep my pto connection clean and lubed up I cant do it.
@@daveknowshow I will definitely be doing that.
It's also worth mentioning that if they have plastic zero fittings, to grease the shield as well as the ujoints.
yes very true.
That’s a clever fix! I’ll remember this one.
a zip tie works good to but don't last as long and sometimes slips.
Wow, I was on the fence about hooking it up. Now I wi!!
I like having mine working right.
@@daveknowshow Hooked mine up today and it worked great. My 1st time with a finish cutter.
@@CHEECHMUN awesome!!!
Thanks for the video and highlighting the safety aspect. Why not just cut the chain to length instead of wrapping it?
the main reason why we do not cut the chain to length is because the chain needs to be able to grow a little. if you look at my video where I set up the top link on my finish mower you will see me back down a ditch. if the chain is to short it can not unwind and grow longer when backing the mower down a ditch line. also many times we use implements on various tractors and the chain needs to be long enough to fit them all. if you sell a mower and the chain has been cut and the new owner needs the chain longer but rather than adding chain he simply does not hook it up that could be bad. since you sold an altered piece of equipment you could be liable if something went wrong. these things likely will never happen but its better safe than sorry. wrapping it allows us to keep the full length as designed by the manufacturer which meets the osha safety requirements. if you don't wrap it and you certainly are not required to it will naturally wrap itself once the pto is engaged. some folks say you should just let it wrap itself. I only pre wrap the chain to keep it from jerking when the pto is engaged. I may be wrong for doing that but its a habit I have had for so many years its hard to break. lol ha ha I guess I'm like an old dog stuck in my ways to a degree. thanks for a great question and I really appreciate you watching my channel. I hope you find other interesting videos on my channel. if you have question please feel free to ask.
Well that last statement you made got my attention...
thanks for stopping by.
Good tip Dave!
thanks it helped fix mine
Important point: If you don't take the slack out of the chain, it can spin around fast enough to brake the chain.
seems like that is what happens to a lot of folks. this little fix worked for me for many years and the guy who bought this hog off me is still using it this way with no issues at all. thanks for stopping by and commenting its always nice to hear from folks and get their point of view.
Great video!
thanks brother
I had never noticed mine has no chains and I can't find a local place to buy them. One guy told me I don't have to have them. What is your opinion?
I like mine working properly and to work properly you need a chain to keep the outer shield from turning. trust me that spinning PTO shaft cover can rip stuff to pieces even sling a harmless bailing string like a giant weed eater that could slit your throat as you sit in the tractor seat. so yeah I prefer mine working as it should and I'm no safety sally I been known to take risk and throw caution to the wind.
@@daveknowshow ok thank you so much. I'm a widow who is learning. I appreciate all your help.
@@turleyite always happy to help and if you need anything I'm here to help if I can.
Dave in Va
That is dangerous advice. The chain is never supposed to wrap around the shaft and the plastic bearing is designed to be weak so it can break at the shaft end. Wrapping the chain and/or connecting it with a metal band can make the chain break on the wrong end (tractor end) and now you have a dangerous chain flying around at 540 RPM that can grab you and pull you into the PTO shaft or put your eye out. If your plastic chain connector breaks it is much safer to just let the protective cover spin freely and keep the plastic bearing well greased so that it will stop spinning when minimal resistance is applied.
99% of all pto safety chains rap around the pto shaft once its spinning. that is just simple fact. the bearing is not made to break at all the bearing is made from high density poly with extremely good wear properties for longevity. a chain can break at any point of attachment at anytime. a pto shaft is one of the most dangerous parts of a tractor. a person should never be anywhere near the PTO shaft when the tractor is running for any reason at all to avoid the dangers associated with its use. when you allow a pto shield to simply spin with the shaft you can create wear between the two pto shields against each other as well as create a situation where heat build up could weld the plastic bearing to the outer shield and inner race if not greased. the main purpose of this video is to stress the importance of safety shields and keeping them functioning in the manner they are designed. pto spins, safety shield stays stationary. keeping aware of the proper function of your safety shield is key. replacing the safety shield with a new shield is a better option but this option works and I have never had any issues ever with it set up this way. however allowing one to spin freely has caused issues. tall grass and saplings have rapped around the spinning shield and created enough heat to weld the plastic shield together. if a bailing wire or string wraps around the spinning safety shield you have a very dangerous situation with spinning objects and debri being thrown up from the safety shield itself. I would certainly not call my video "dangerous advice" I would call simply allowing it to spin a " Dangerous practice ". a lot of people ignore the safety shield all together, never grease it, never attach the chain to the tractor and just let the chain wrap around and the safety shield spin. that is dangerous!
The chain is supposed to break off if it gets too big an impact. It would be safer to let it run free than put too heavy a chain on there.
I'm not sure it would be safer, however this chain is not that heavy and if it does hit something the hose clamp is loose enough it will slip.
Thanks Dave! Good idea, I need to change my latches to a stronger clip.
I never understood why they make them so flimsy on some implements .
What I meant to say is the plastic hook that the chain attaches to, not the bearing . That is why they are always made of plastic. That should be the weakest part so it breaks at the shaft if something is going to break. These two videos explain it better than I can. th-cam.com/video/bufSQZ0Bqzc/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/IdGbJNbVHwA/w-d-xo.html
those are just opinions, and conflicting opinions at that. one states to not even use a chain and let it run free which also states at the beginning of the video that it does not apply to all countries including the USA where using the chain is required by OSHA. of course adjusting the chain to a shorter length is a fine idea but if its not wrapping around the shaft more than one and a half to two full turns then it likely wont hurt a thing. I needed extra chain where I was hooking up for raising and lowering the three point. in the video you referenced they are setting the chain up on a rear mounted implement that is not raised and lowered by the three point but rather pulled by the draw bar instead of the three point. sure the plastic hook is the weakest point by design. a very convenient design that leaves people to have two options. 1 replace the entire safety shield at quite a large cost. 2 leave it disconnected which is against OSHA in the USA. or now 3 my happy medium method of this fix at a low cost and still maintain some level of compliance and safety. at the end of the day we can pick any video about anything and find discrepancies, but all that will do is shatter the inspiration of folks who want to share to the point that they will NO LONGER share information and make video content.
its been covered below, but to say it again! THIS IS DANGEROUS!
Dont wrap the chain. adjust it properly to your unit i.e., cut the chain to length from the hook end. it looks like you only need 2 or 3 links for your application. the plastic tab is designed to be a "weak" point and break away on the shaft end once its gone, it time to replace it. a metal band does not allow this and could cause it to break off from the hook end and fling a chain around at 540 rpm, thus making it an UNsafety chain. just like you are talking about how the barbed wire can turn in to a weapon, so will your chain.
thanks for the comment. the chain is not that long although I admit in the video its a little long. they do need to have some play for when raising / lowering the implement as well as driving over hills and ditches. this is a very light duty chain and I make a habit to keep my PTO shield well lubricated and in good working condition. the chains come a certain length and do not need cutting. it hurts nothing to wrap the chain around the shield. no where in the safety shield safety instructions does it say to cut the chain or not to wrap the chain slack around the shield. there is no reason for the chain to break if the shield is kept working properly. more likely what will happen is the hose clamp will simply slip on the smooth shield outer housing. in the video I mention not over tightening it. the only purpose of the chain is to keep the safety shield from spinning. most people never hook up the chain they simply let the shield spin. I been running this like this for years with zero issues. it was far less expensive than paying 150.00 or more for a new safety shield which again 99% of people just leave it spinning or take the shield off completely. this repair is by far better than no safety shield at all or just allowing the shield to spin free. would a new replacement shield be better? absolutely! but honestly 99% of people will not replace one. they may however do this mod to keep the shield from turning. they also may get the main point of this video "that the safety shield is important and should be working at the least to not be a spinning shaft there". I'm sorry that you and one other person could not grasp the main point of this video. it went completely over your head. it is truly sad also for me that I have to me made to feel guilty for trying to offer a suggestion to folks who may not be able to afford a 150.00 new shield. if I had the money I would buy everyone who needs a new shield a new one. I don't have that sort of money so I offered what I do have a solution, again not a perfect solution but a solution none the less. thanks for pointing out how wrong I was for offering a solution. you successfully ruined my night.