Snatch Blocks, a Winch, and Determination -This Stump is Coming Out
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- Pulling out a stump by using snatch blocks to gain a mechanical advantage. I used 3 snatch blocks and an 8000 pound Warn winch to remove this stump
Also demonstrate in detail how to use snatch blocks with a winch to gain a mechanical advantage.
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thank you you are helping a 75 yr old grandma and mt grand son but I dont have a tractor but I am really paying attention😊😊
A couple of points. If you move the hook back to the anchor tree you have less pressure on the tractor. the other thing is that the less cable you have on the drum of the winch the more pulling power you got but you retrieve less cable per turn. If you tractior pulls more than the winch, do not pull with the winch cable as you may damage the winch.
Persistance pays Off....Glad to see you got that Stummper!!!
With every attempt, I kept holding my breath. Such relief when it finally came out!! Great determination and effort. Nice job!!
Thank you sir
Persistence generally overcomes resistance! Good job, and showing the mistakes is probably a lot more helpful to your viewing audience.
I try to keep it real. Thanks for watching
Better engineering and leverage would be much faster than persistence. I did something similar with a rope on my truck hitch, and got nowhere fast, until I hooked roots on the far side and pulled the bull rope directly over the stop of the stumps. It works like a miracle.
@@superelitespaceforce5609 I won't argue with your first sentence, but I believe that the mistakes you make in life can, sometimes, teach you more than your successes. I just admired this fellows grit.
@@johnmerritt6328 I can relate to that in spades.
Yes we do appreciate that!
As someone just beginning with pulleys I so appreciate what you said in the beginning about watching other videos from folks who really know about pulleys. I'm glad for those videos, for certain it is that a person can learn a lot from them. But sometimes, as you pointed out, what they are saying just isn't quite clear. I'm with you on that. Kudos to you for recording your experience with rigging a pulley system. It helped me come to a "more better" understanding.
Dogged determination- that’s the shit that makes America the best nation in the world!
6:13 With 2 snatch blocks set up like this you get 3:1 mechanical advantage so it's only a 50% gain over your first setup. You can get 4:1 MA with two blocks, but then one block would have to pull on the other. 7:55 You anchored your cable to the tractor so you have half the force on the tractor and the other half on the tree. If you anchored to the tree you'd have only 1/4 on the tractor and 3/4 on the tree. Your 3rd setup actually gets less MA then your 2nd one. The best scenario would be to anchor to the tree, unspool as much cable as possible (leaving only 5 wraps of cable on the drum) and put the tractor closer to the tree (the smaller the angle between the tractor and the tree, the greater the MA).
Thanks for the tips
...and dont allow the birdsnest to build up. lol
The real success story here is the salesman of the lawn tractor and loader.
FYI/Tips: at the 7:59 point you can see an electric arc just to the right of your winch. That needs to be fixed. It could easily start a grass fire and burn your tractor to the ground (or worse) as well as adds additional stress/heat on your winch. Could be a cut/frayed wire, but likely a poor terminal attachment that needs to be cleaned/tightened.
Winches are good at pulling, not taking shocking loads. Don't pull the winch cable with the tractor by backing up and trying to pull harder. You can destroy a winch that way. If you have to pull with the vehicle/tractor, ease into the slack and then pull with a steady throttle (and even that isn't recommended by any winch company)
For every snatch block and tree strap you have, have/leave a good/rated shackle attached to it and you'll always be set to rig up and work.
Good job on staying with it. Take my comment with a grain of salt, it's a lot easier analyzing a vid from a couch than when your actually doing the work. Thanks for the vid. Stay safe out there.
Good eye, I didn't see that first time through.
Thanks for the tips
Good eye, wow
I had a similar situation with a much larger stump. Even after digging a ramp for the stump to slide up, it would still dig itself in and jam. I finally went over to my rock pile and got several buckets of six inch rocks to spread on the ramp. The stump came right out! Apparently the rocks acted like ball bearings and didn't allow the stump to dig in when dragged. All I know is that it worked like a charm. I was thinking that some sort of rail set might have worked also. My son kept telling me that I would never get that stump out of the ground. That only made me more determined, being the stubborn old man that I am. Above all else, determination is your best tool! I see you have plenty of that.
Thanks for sharing the story
I was ready to quit on it a couple times
Enjoyed the video. I like your ability to step by step show how you work through a problem. I also appreciate acknowledging not knowing a solution but then not giving up, working to create a solution.
Thanks for the kind words
That was a lot of good hard work you put into that and came out on top. Snatch blocks are life savers.
Yes sir. I think I made a couple of small mistakes with my technique that could’ve helped. That’s how it goes though. Just need a little more practice
As always, thank you for watching
Even before watching your whole video I love your determination. I'm watching to see how it goes. I'm pulling for you!
Thanks
Came here to second this thought with my own comment. When I saw the darkness and the lights come on I'm amazed by your determination. This stump is coming out today! I won't sleep till it's out!.
I was rooting for you... Now that's perseverance 🪵
that looked like a fun adventure. I love a good challenge. I been wanting to get me a mechanical advantage set up for pulling stumps.
Thanks for watching
I have been to your channel a few times as well
That thing put up a fight!
Yeah, It was a lot heavier than it looked
Thanks for watching
So a couple of things, first your angle is bad. The greater the angle from the tractor back to the anchor point the less pull you have. Park the tractor right next to the tree that you're anchored to and you'll get more pull. Second, the closer you get to the center of the spool the more torque you have, so you should run your cable all the way out leaving only five wraps of cable to get the most out of your winch.
Thanks for sharing
Agree on getting tractor closer to anchor angle, and agree on smaller spool, but notice his tractor is sliding, so it's a mute point. Best technique is a large log in front of the stump with chain low on far side root and other end over the top of the stump and log for great leverage.
Just thinking quickly it would seem like having more cable on the winch would act like a bigger gear giving you more torque. Not saying you're wrong I just have to rethink that.
Having more cable on the spool will wind up the cable faster, but will reduce the torque.
There is now way the tractor is holding almost 4 tons without moving.
Now that's the definition of tenacity.....Good Job.......
Thanks for watching
Wow 😮!!! You had such determination 👏👏👏
Brock - you remained a lot calmer than I would have. Glad to see you stayed with it. Wish I could have brought the 4044m down to help pull that ole stump out.
I would love to drive a 4 series and I haven’t got a chance to yet
I did get frustrated at one point and walked up to the house but then I turned around and went back
Thanks for watching
Nicely done. Thanks for sharing...
This was a fun project, and I learned a couple things.
Thanks for watching
Great tenacity! It just goes to show you that if you don't have quite the hydraulics and horsepower Kama you can always find a way to use some leverage to get a lot of problems solved.
Thanks
I love the tenacity Brock! I was waiting for the sun to come up on this one LOL glad you stuck it out and won the battle! Very nice work.
I got frustrated but no way was I quitting
Your Kubota would’ve just lifted it right out with the loader
Very satisfying.
I've been looking on TH-cam for weeks to see a video where a guy says "snatchblock" . . . Finally
Hah hah 😂 that's what we call them in Australia too 😊 the good old 8 tonne snatch block and it's little brother the 4 tonne snatchblock ... can be either two words or one word together, we all know them here Downunder 👍
Wow, Great Job Brock... I didn't think that would ever pull out of there, your persistence paid off .
Thanks for watching
I have a 9,000 pound winch but I’ve found they are not much under a dead drag like that. If you had enough cable and snatch blocks to have went twice between the tree and the stump then came directly out of one block to the winch it would have given more of a mechanical advantage. But it would have required 4 blocks or either two blocks with double pulleys. We learn a lot though by trying things in different manners like you did here. Glad you got it!
Yeah, this one is rated for 8000 pounds. It feels like it pulls about 10% harder than just driving with the tractor.
Re-watching it this morning I think I made all my connections correctly With the single snatch block and the double snatch block
WhenI put the third snatch block on and brought the cable back to the tractor i’m wondering if that basically would’ve made it a dead pull again? It needed to go back to the tree but I was out of cable
This was my first time using snatch blocks and I feel like I learned a lot. Thanks for watching and for commenting
nice buildup, adding each block. for the winch, the more cable out, the better. cable is closer to drum, giving more advantage. glad you got it out.
Thanks
Overbuild everything you hook up. Use large chain and be redundant with the wraps.
Stay out of the line of pull. Expect the unexpected.
Finally, obtain Jan Atkins’ book Moving Heavy Things. (It’s likely out of print, but truly excellent!)
Practical physics, safely and persistently applied - mindful of leverage and angles - can and often will pull and lift what you set your hands to.
Good luck from an old winch & jack fan.
Thanks for sharing. I’m really impressed with how this type of mechanical advantage works.
I have been looking into it for a while but this was my first time trying it
Learned quite a bit
Thanks for watching
Oh the satisfaction.
Nicely done.
Thanks
Great video learned a lot thanks for posting it.
I learned a couple of things myself
Thanks for watching
Wow, talk about fun on the farm! That was interesting and a little nerve racking. Congratulations on the final victory!
Yeah, I almost gave up but I’m glad I stuck with it.
Thanks for watching
Well one thing I’ve learned after all these years is that if Brock has something on his mind that he wants done it is as good as done no matter what it is or the process it takes to get there it will be!
Just give it time and you’ll make me look like small potatoes.
Keep up the grind my friend
Persistence definitely paid off with that big ole stump! Ha! Very nice! 👍
Thanks
Nice work! I always keep one snatch block in my Jeep, just in case I get my 2dr Wrangler dickered and my VR Evo 10-Struggles. After watching this, I may pick up a second to throw in my toolbag.
Definitely good to be prepared. I have seen people do some crazy pulls with snatch blocks
Great job Brock
Thanks
I was cheering the whole time... Success is sweet!! Cheers
Thanks.
The wet mud underneath was probably creating a suction too adding to the weight and force needed to remove. Kudos for continued effort!!
Yeah, that mud was not doing me any favors.
Thanks for watching
Looks like a good fight.
It was
Thanks for watching
Great determination my friend.
Thanks
Man, you did a great job getting that stump up without tearing anything up.
Thanks for watching
Did a good job defeating that stump. Dad would get the stump loose, then take a length of cable two hooks, we would slice everything holding underneath then pull out of the hole. Same technique with construction demolition of houses. Loop cables thru windows and slice each floor.
Thanks for sharing
YOU, sir, are DA MAN!
Thanks
Love the shirt 😄
I've never cared about how many pounds those straps are rated for I think good old fashioned iron chains are my go to 😊
I love your shirt
Thanks. That’s one of my favorites
It's all about determination!
I almost quit. Oh I went in the house for about two minutes and got mad and went back out
Love the shirt
My guy was staring down the barrel of tank on that first pull. Bermuda triangle
nice guy and he showed real world things that go wrong like the chain would not fit in the D ring
I Learneda couple things on this project
Thanks for watching
Brock, you need a Kubota M59 or M62 backhoe with a cab. You have so much on the go. What's great about either machine is, they're able to fit right in a 16' Dump trailer to go and do contracting work, like I do. Plus they have a front and rear hydraulic line for attachments. I have a hydro thumb. They're powerful enough, have more reach than a skid, doesn't tear up the grass, smoother ride, less tippy and plus, you have an excavator with you. Oh and, easier on fuel. Love your channel!!!
Thanks. After buying the skid loader, I really wish I had got a mini excavator instead.
Hard to change right now though.
Great set up on that JD! More lights than a San Diego Sheriff. And the bucket looks like a rigging store.
You should see the bucket I’m running now
Thanks for watching
Next time you can raise your pull angle by cutting a simple "rollover stick" to change the pull angle without being under much load. Wrecker drivers figured that out long ago.
Now that was a workout
Love your determination !! 👊😎
I can help a little for next time.
Moving pulleys (on the load) provide mechanical advantage.
Stationary pulleys (at anchor) are only change of direction, not M.A.
The more cable that is out of the winch (closer to the drum) the more power the winch has.
When the winch can slide the tractor, anchor the front of the tractor to the tree.
In fact, in this case, that would have been the best start. Cable from winch through stump pulley, back through pulley at tractor, back through pulley at stump, then terminated at tractor. That would be 4 to 1 just like you ended up with, but with front of tractor anchored instead of traction trouble.
You are right on the money with the idea of lifting up. Huge bonus of mechanical advantage when you get the angles correct with this setup:
th-cam.com/video/pccuAUNwfw8/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for sharing
@@RockhillfarmYT
I hope you got the link at the end.
I had to go ahead and post and then go looking for that video, then come back and drop the link. That was the coolest part I wanted to share. That guy with the big A-frame was too cool.
Totally agree with Rider Mac but I think you’re biggest problem is your lack of current to the winch. Been there and done that. You need pure copper one or two gauge with good connectors.
I think he hooked it up backwards, so that the cables coming from the blocks were pulling, not the stump but on what he meant to be the anchor point (that tree).
With this sort of setup - you never want to anchor the front of the tractor.
As a homeowner who has done battle with many tree stumps this is what has worked best for me. Armed with a shovel, a reciprocating saw, a 20 ft chain, a 10 foot chain, 16 foot 8 by 8 timber or steel beam and my minivan. Dig as much as you can, cut all visible roots. Wrap the chain around the stump at least once attaching to a large root, place the end of the timber parallel to the ground against the stump, wrap chain around timber in a way that pulling on the other end of the timber will tighten the chain. It will take 1/4 to 1/2 to tighten. That 16' leverage will give you thousands of pounds of twisting force when attached to a vehicle. Place weighted blanket over chain to vehicle for safety. Wouldn't do it any other way. Good luck be safe.
It took a while but at least you got it.
The fun for man😄
Yes Sir!!! 💪💪💪
Thanks for watching
Cool video, I do a lot of Stump Removals, most of the time it's a lot safer to just pull the whole tree over so u don't have any flying stumps. You also gain more leverage.
Good Point on the taller stump giving more leverage
I mostly do stump grinding but occasionally dig one out
Thanks for watching
Very true. The leverage and the weight are tremendously helpful. Soggy ground helps alot too.
A related word of warning- be carefull how you anchor to other trees/stumps than the one your trying to pull out. Its possible to pull the live tree over on yourself without even moving the stump.
Love the shirt!
Thanks
Me too
We all felt your pain! Stumps are the devils creation!
I've dug some pretty big stumps with my backhoe on my BX23S. I usually just use the backhoe to lift them out and take them to a firepit
Thanks for sharing
I definitely tried to move this one with the backhoe. Would not budge it. Weighs well over 2000 pounds
I LOVE the shirt!!,
Thanks
Good video brother
Thanks
Woo-hoo! You did it!
It was stubborn so I was happen to get it out
Thanks for watching
what I do is get my cousin, who plays guitar, and a case of beer. We get a bunch of wood and build a fire around the stump then drink beer and sing and when we get up all hung over the next day the stump is usually gone or close to it.
That’s a fun way to do it. If I just want it down to ground level I use my stump grinder
I wanted the entire root system gone on this one
Thanks for watching
Was waiting for the Block & Tackle.... Might have worked a little better, but good video, shows that it's not always as easy as it seems!
Before farmers had tractors they pulled stumps that did not have tap roots out by building a pyramid of posts to support a block and tackle that pulled straight up as shown in many paintings and ancient photos of the day.
Really impressive what they were above to accomplish
Thanks for watching
One thing that might give you a little more power is to put the bucket down and use the hydraulics in the bucket to help you move forward. Just a thought for something to try before you have to re rig the cable. Another thing might be to use the bucket to lift the stump and wrap a chain around the whole affair and try to roll it out from the side. Damn! What a challenge.
Good points
Thanks for watching
I always use my tractor to dig around the stump of any size, bust the roots and push it out with tractor... stubborn stumps get water for 2 whole days and never fails... they come out
I definitely don’t baby my tractor. I have 600 hard hours on it doing all kinds of work that it isn’t even designed to do
Here is an example
Brush Hogging In the Woods - I Really Needed a Bulldozer for This
th-cam.com/video/BGIx3Csswh4/w-d-xo.html
I’ve dug out tons of stumps with my tractor. I also have a stump grinder and I do stump grinding as a side business
in the video you are talking about I was not trying to dig out a stump though
You are describing how to get the roots broke loose. All of the roots were broke loose long before I started recording this video
I was just testting the best way to pull it out of the hole since it weighed a lot more than the lift capacity of the tractor
It was hard to recognize the weight of that stump because the root system was full of big rocks.
If I really just wanted it out I could’ve cut the top of it off and made it lighter but I wanted to test out rigging options
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winch is at its weakest when FULL ( 65% of the max power rating) and STRONGEST when on the FIRST wrap on the drum.
Right. I said it backwards in the video
Thanks for watching
well I farm and all U needed was a bigger tractor and chain, ( maybe 350 hp) but I am sure it was fun, now I am 72 and fun things just keep happening. good vid. lol
Yeah, I’ve been shopping some bigger equipment. Probably a 60 hp tractor would have lifted that straight out of the hole but for now I’m using what I have
Thanks for watching
Thanks for the video on snatch blocks, Did you consider a bag of charcoal, once it gets going it will burn out the entire stump, takes about a week. Burns slowly.
yes every pulley added reduces load by 50 percent, at 180 degrees i believe . if the degree changes like a 45 there is still advantage and reduction of the load. i learned in construction.
Now that is persistence! I would have grabbed a case of beer, dumped a bunch of diesel and gas and lit that thing off and enjoyed the fire! But good job you man!
Thanks. It was really more about getting experience with the winch and the snatch blocks then it was about what happened to the stump.
Thanks for watching
Simple rule of thumb with mechanical advantage... moving pulleys do work (mechanical advantage). Stationary (or anchored) pulleys only provide change of direction (no mechanical advantage). The highest mechanical advantage is if the lines coming in and out of a moving pulley are parallel to each other. So as the angle into and out of the working pulley increases, your mechanical advantage decreases. The angle into and out of an anchored or stationary pulley has no affect on the mechanical advantage - it is only providing a change in direction, not doing work. The tricky part is making sure you have an anchor that is stronger than what you are tying to move... otherwise your anchor can suddenly become your load lol.
That’s a lot of work.
Did you try digging around with your backhoe? Did you try car tire with chains to pull up and out? Did you cut the roots with an axe?
All looked good to me on your technique. What you called D rings we called a clevis. But all the same at the end of the day!
Thanks for watching and for sharing
Put the 30,000# poly straps around the stump for the direct pull and use the 6,000# chain for the anchor tree point. When you circle the tree with a chain loop, it halves the chain's per link load. Be sure the other hooks, loops, links, etc. are rated high enough, and make the stump the weakest link in your rigging setup. Also if your winch is rated for 2000#, a 4 snatch block setup can give a 6:1 pull. Thats 12,000# at the stump, so the poly straps are fine, but the 3/8 in. chain would be iffy at best.
Add a 6 ton chain come-along....sure was hard on that winch....OMG, think of the strain on all those gears, bearings, shafts, and housing in that SUPER EXPENSIVE little tractor.
Thanks for watching
Not sure if someone has mentioned this or not but the closer to the drum is where you get the most power in a winch. When you have more wraps/ layers of line on it the harder the winch works unlike how you stated.
Now just asking a question, wouldn’t you want the dead end of the winch line tied into your anchor point? In your demo, the live tree should be the anchor point? Just curious.
Correct on both points. I misunderstood the manual on the number of wraps and the torque
The final tie off the last time did not multiply leverage because it should’ve went back to the tree
great video mate but when using the winch you want little cable on bc the more wraps of cable on the drum the lower the pulling capacity of the winch but you want at least 6 wraps of cable on the drum
Thanks for sharing
7:22 thumbs up on snapback prevention. 👍
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Wow - that was a tough one. All day project! Great accomplishment. Now what are you going to do with that big old stump?
I’m thinking about throwing it in the pond.
I need to add a log or some rocks or something for structure and for some of the smaller fish to hide in. If I can knock the dirt off of the bottom of it the roots should work well for that?
You need a tree log or timber about 4 -6 feet long. Then put the log 3-4 feet away and stand the log up. Run the rope over the top of the log. Now, you will be pulling up.
In you video right around 7:59 as you winch is starting to load up there is a bright flash an electrical short on the right hand side of the winch in the darkness behind it. Dunno what it is but you might want to check.
with two block and if you pulled as close as you can to your tree you would gain 75 percent. one more snatch block could reduce your pull to 12.5 percent and it probably would come out easy.
Instead of a tire (by "tire" I'd assume just the wheel or rim), I wonder how a large industrial cable spool would work to redirect force upward?
….If at first you don’t succeed…..figure out how to do it properly 😉🤣
Great effort, just a thought, you do not drag a barrel, you roll it, most trees are weak to a rotating force x, from U.K.X
Would it work pulling the tree to loosen the stump and roots before cutting down the tree?
@ 6;30 in the video, you have that theory BACKWARDS. Imagine how fast the cable is being rolled up when it's at the "core" diameter of the winch. Now imagine how fast the cable the cable is being rolled up with a full spool of cable.
It's like taking off in low gear in a vehicle, versus taking off in high gear. You have the same power source, but are trying to move things fast at full spool versus an empty spool.
to get the full capacity of the winch let all your line off the drum to the first layer that's where the most power comes from. (the smaller drum diameter)✌
💥 I love mechanical advantage videos. I was surprised that stump was giving you such a hard time. What is that winch rated for? I bought a couple snatch blocks about a month ago to eventually make the same type of video.
*Keep on tractoring*
It’s an 8000 pound warn winch
I maybe wrong but I believe that winch ratings are taken with it winding the first layer of cable onto the drum which is where it has the most pull force. Also, I thought using one snach block only changed the direction of the pulling force unless it anchored back to the winch/ tractor in this case.
Thanks for sharing
@@RockhillfarmYT
Great video. Problem solving at its best.
I was suprised to hear you say that an 8000lb winch could out pull your tractor.
The little experience ive had with winches- even 12,000 lb -left me with the impression that it took a whole lotta winch to equal a regular truck. And i thought that a tractor could out pull a truck, so therefore, a winch would be no match for a tractor. Would be interested in anybodies opinion on this.
You have to move on other side of stump pull in opposite direction and it would have came out you had one side of stump broken lose but I dig stumps like that up in a hour with my IH485 with old model Massey Ferguson backhoe mounted on it
So, your weakest link is a 6000lb rated chain.. Then you attach 3 snatch blocks to it, and pull with an 8000lb winch. I think you grossly overloaded that chain.
I was glad to see you move out of "the triangle of death" after the 1st attempt.
Right
Thanks for watching
Those straps usually list their breaking strength, not the working load limit. Chains list their working load limit, what they can be used at on a day in and day out basis. Their breaking strength is 3-5 times the working load limit. So they are closer in strength than you may think.
Yeah, I wasn’t worried about breaking the chains. Brand new 3/8 diameter grade 70
If you were doing it every day it might be different
Lol I just think it's funny how long it took you to get that stump out from how loose it was.... I get 4 to 6 stumps out in a single day using the tractor only and some water
When I turned on the camera for this video the stump was not loose it was 100% dettached from all of the roots. I had already tried to dig a ramp with the backhoe and drag it out that way but that didn’t work
The Video really wasn’t even about getting the stump out.
I ended up throwing it back in that hole a couple of months later and burning it
What it was about was testing out rigging with the new winch to see if I could increase mechanical advantage by running it through snatch blocks in a controlled environment.
First I tried just pulling it out with just the tractors power and then I tried it with with the rigging.
The reason that it was hard to get the stump out is it was lodged against the side of the hole and it weighed over 2000 pounds