Developer using Ai is going to replace developers fearing that Ai is going to replace them. Subject matter expert always prevails. Ai is another tool to build stuffs like we don't start writing code word to word while developing softwares we use frameworks, now thats just got another layer of abstraction.
While your statement is true, don't you think it will result in a reduction of tech jobs? In the future, a developer equipped with powerful generative AI could potentially do what three developers currently do at a time. As a result, the demand for developers may decrease compared how much its there now. However, I also believe that these advancements in AI and related fields will create numerous opportunities and new areas of specialisation within the tech industry.
@@iamashwincherian let it first do the job of one... honestly, whenever I've used it, it's results anytime weren't good enough for me to think ki okay this is good to go with 0 edits. It's results are good templates/ starting points or even a more approachable version of stack overflow (that also has the tendency to be a lot more inaccurate) but that's about it.
For the drone thing: 1. Drones can't fly at 30k feet. 2. There are radars and signal jammers around an airport so you can't get them during take off. 3. Government enforces No-fly zones around sensitive areas, your drones won't even start there let alone take down something. If it was that easy to use drones in a wrong way, there are many terrorist organisations (or as our media calls them "bhatke hue yuva") that would've used them already.
what he meant was basically that drones could be used for harm. Today i can put a face id chip from your iphones on a drone, give it data sets (photographs) of my target, attach a small explosive and eliminate that person. This easily possible with current technology but it has never happened outside the battlefields in cities or whatever.
Nikhil, to just put the things in perspective, devops was supposed to be 1 click deployment from last 5 to 7 years, and still teams are struggling with end to end automation. Developers won't be replaced. We all do some simple things as part of the bigger things, there it will act as smart assistant. Low skilled work like website development will also be not fully replaced because people need customizations, etc..Lot of operations challenges like security, maintenance of the server...again to put this in perspective, start ups and big companies both are having outages even when they upgrade their os in controlled environment.
Safeguarded careers 1. Govt job, CA (maybe because if AI can be developed further, they can handle CA responsibilities also)) 2. Property dealers, builders 3. Doctor incl. dentists & psychologists 4. Data people ( not data entry) 5. Criminals 6. Spiritual/ Religious leader
Software Engineers are not hired on the basis of their coding skills, they are hired on the basis of their problem solving skill. These AI tools will not be able to match that problem solving ability anytime soon. For example Aircrafts have been using Autopilot since forever now and it has evolved a lot but it never replaced any pilot's job. You still need a Pilot to command the Autopilot. Aircrafts mostly operate on Autopilot mode but whenever there is an unusual situation the Pilot turns off the Autopilot and takes the control himself. ChatGPT is just another tool that Software Engineers can leverage to increase their productivity.
@@sunnyside6357 most of leetcode solutions are already available on internet. Real production software development is much more than just solving leetcode problem. 🙂
Software Engineers means lots of things. Architects and Business Analysts do the problem solving from an idea and tech perspective. Coders then code it in the preferred technology. The Architect and BA might still have their job but the coders job can be easily replaced. In any team in Indian software companies, there are 80-90% who do the mule work and few who are really good. Maybe thos smart ones will still remain to review code generated by the AI but the rest can be let go
Hey Varun, the drone hitting an airplane is unlikely since the drones like DJI or other brands won't allow you to fly or start a drone near an airport or restricted zones.
But you can make a drone by yourself if you are really interested. There are even free resources online. So what his point is that, there is a potential threat
I own a DJI drone and it allows you to fly in restricted areas as well but you need to authenticate your mobile number via OTP. DJI may be has list of restricted zones all around the world and it has programmed its DJI Fly app accordingly so that drone does not fly without user details in restricted areas.
The Auto GPT is quite frightening as it was able to generate an entire Flappy Bird game on its own. It even searched the internet for what it needed and made real-time adjustments to the code. The fact that it was able to build the entire game from scratch is insane. This uncertainty in the field of software engineering is definitely a sign of things to come.
how much did it cost you to run that flappy bird experiment? I am thinking of using gpt api as well for autogpt etc but not sure about cost for such experiments
Have you used autogpt yourself? I have and it's as stupid as GPT4. It just can feed prompt by itself to a certain level. Pehle istemaal Karo fir vishwas karo 😅.
Contrarian viewpoint: 1. If efficiency was the viewpoint, then IT services would have moved on to ABM but they still depend on relationship based marketing. 2. Also, cost trade off, cost of implementing and maintaining generative AI in IT services vs hiring 100 engineers who can write better code needs to be looked at.
for the 2nd point, imo subscription to restriction free AI services are affordable enough for companies to probably slash off 90% of their employees to save on their expenditures. also when AI starts writing it's own code, it can probably generate way more comprehensive documentation in almost no time. which would in turn help with subsequent instances of the AI trying to modify/fix bugs in the code. this little example in itself probably removes the need for documentation writers, testers, auditors, etc. only thing where it will falter is when it has to make decisions to help scale systems and all.
@@ritamkonar6617 yes in an ideal world yes. But IT services will not opt for such subscription based services as it might compromise their security. I am with you man but after working with IT services I am sure they will keep undergoing analysis paralysis.
Software engineering involves a wide range of skills and expertise, including problem-solving, design, implementation, testing, and collaboration. While AI can support and enhance the work of software engineers, it cannot replace the knowledge, creativity, and critical thinking abilities that human software engineers bring to the table. AI is a powerful tool, but it still requires human engineers to guide and utilize it effectively in software development processes.
I think the concern is not about the total replacement of SE jobs but the reduction in job opportunities. It will affect everyone and it's gonna be a big one.
You guys are underestimating the potential of AI. It's not just limited to specific industries or tasks; its impact will be far-reaching. In a matter of a few years, AI-powered bots will reach a level of proficiency that rivals human labor across various domains. This means that everything we currently see will inevitably be disrupted.
I recently saw a video from YT channel 'mentour pilot' where an AI expert says the likes of chatgpt doesn't truly have a cognitive ability- what it does is mimic, amalgamate bits and pieces off the internet from n no of related works (or ideas), thereby coming up with something new every time. Just by that alone, you'll still need humans to "curate" the quality of work and make changes here and there. I believe there is still a sliver of hope that some niches won't be replaced but will be transformed with possibilities to do stuff that wasn't previously possible. Sure disruption will happen but for some fields, it won't be like they say.
@@GirishVN-zz7ie Sure i don't know indepth but i do know bits and parts of it and have an advanced degree in math. i still don't believe you could use statistics, probability, modeling, predictions fitting calculus equations to really understand humans. We aren't the most logical species and there's subjectivity in our human journey which can't truly be mimicked just by introducing Neural networks especially when as it is we have so much to learn in the field of neurosciences, psychology and other brain related subjects.. And if these systems don't recognize such nuances, it probably won't be making unreviewed decisions on my behalf (so me getting replaced by such an agent goes out of the window). Case in point midjourney, dall e can make flawless images for sure but once you use it for a real project, you realize it's the same amount of work if not more needed to find creatives, assets and templates that's already happening without ai just because it doesn't fit the branding nuances, ux considerations, client's visual consistency, expectations and even the images no matter how beautiful are pretty much discernable for the fact it is ai.
It is important to note that AI is not just a threat to jobs. It is also creating new jobs in areas such as data science, machine learning, and artificial intelligence engineering. In fact, the WEF report estimates that AI will create up to 950 million new jobs by 2030.
Stack overflow/github didn't replaced any software jobs.....every code is written there and even google engineers copy from there......but what code to search or what question to ask is possible with human brain only
@@devagarwal3250 like suddenly all of them have become experts in ai ... Tomorrow something new will come they'll start sharing their expertise on that ..... One question is what happens to schools and colleges once ai becomes all powerful .... Like they have redundant syllabus and irrelevant to today's times ... And those guys are not worried infact they are charging more and more every coming year .... A person who is skilled enough should not worry nor listen to such short term experts is what I believe .....
Lots to learn after watching complete 2 hr podcast on a go. More than that i get a self reflection of how little i know about a subject, ways to put points on discussion,and much more and this realisation is the best trigger for me to dig more on the topics,surfing to different websites and videos. I highly recommend to watch complete podcast on one go with good concentration not treating it like listening to songs.
Don’t completely agree with it. At best it can replace average software dev processes. Variety and uniqueness is important and I am not sure if AI can give it.
Content writers are losing job left and right. Almost everyone is replacing them with ChatGPT. But policy makers around the world are planning to make it mandatory to disclose if the content is generated through AI or if we are chatting with a bot for customer support. As Yuval (writer of sapiens) said in an interview, It's illegal to counterfeit money so that economy doesn't crash similarly strong laws need come in place to stop counterfeiting humans.
As a software engineer I would like to make a point that any software engineer takes far more micro complex decision than a customer support executive which directly impact the product and services. Also as a person who is using copilot and chatgpt to some extent in day to day job. I would say a Software engineer would get more efficient at work and team size would be required But world will need more software day by day. Day in and day out so software Engineers will be around at least for 20 years in a similar way if not the same. As of now .
I remember in the 90s I’ve heard flying cars going to replace gasoline cars by 2030. We haven’t even fully adopted EVs, it has just begun. Development is more than just coding. All companies have legacy systems and configurations. It’s not easily replaceable with a click of a button. The day that happens everyone’s job is on the line.
exactly, they basically don't know what software engineer does, in the first 2 minutes it was clear that they aren't aware, especially varun he sounded like a smug
@@DCGTvi Varun seems to be a extremist of some sort and there are some ambiguity in what he says. Like he says white collar are going to take a hit due to GAI but business of Supermart like DMART will not be effected. Dude if you had slightest of understanding of how economics work you'll be able to understand that Growth of white collar jobs creates demand for things like supermarts, leisure. So if the opposite happens every business that operates with the above correlation will take an extreme toll.
@@siddharthsingh5031 remember 2 rules if you want to buy real estate cheap. Don't be desperate and take out enough time to see more and more properties with different brokers. You will find a good deal at fair price.
Once youtube was not a career but today It became. In the same way, AI is coming and it is coming with different jobs but software engineers can't be replaced by AI. Never! I would suggest give them a bug to solve 😁
Just information on Drone disruption, there was certain group of individuals did this several times in Dublin Airport (Ireland) and planes were delayed and was warned by the government @ Varun Mayya
I can ask AI to build me a company that creates xyz product and how can I market it and create a business out of it. Give me a step by step simple and foolproof plan after thorough research.
I partially agree ,recently chatgpt was given jee mains paper which he scored 11 marks and failed in upsc badly, what i think is data stackoverflow it is solving the problems which is written or given in the internet but thats cramming up the data but it is not solving the actual problem when i tried many things like answer this questions from g tewani ( used for jee as i have also prepared for it😅)it gives answers around 20 percent questions this shows it is just telling answers of questions which there is proper solution in internet websites toh yeh ek tarah ka chatur hai 3 idiots ka ,but it doesn't have thinking ability like human so it is right now Google with a human touch.
10:10 Comercially available drones just shut down when near few km of airport or similar place , only ultralight ones i.e less than few hundred grams are allowed x which too are weak to perform such task
@@bassline1447 I agree, Tanmay was a misfit. But to be honest, Varun is nothing less than a comedian himself. The kind of BS he talks about tech is almost comical.
An alternative perspective on this one is: everything will become dead cheap/free. from manufacturing a car to building a house to a software solution to medical treatment, everything is expensive coz there's human labor involved. when AI does this stuff, it will be extremely cheap or free (open source). Imagine you can use an open source API to build your house end to end! The bigger question would then be, what do we humans do? coz since the inception till today, we're humans because we have intellectual capabilities. what if we become intellectually lazy? for example: in my childhood i used to remember so many people's phone numbers, now i no longer do that. same way, what if we lose our ability to think coz someone/something is doing that for me? ofc nobody knows exactly how it'll all turn out, but its more of a thought to discuss/debate
Attack on cognition was a very important point. And about the question of refund, what i think is giving refund is a decision making process. So, like any other instance that process needs a bunch of data and a template to compare with and u get the answer. In the refund scenario, the data required is voice modulation, customer history, personal details of customer, etc. Now, the result that the AI customer support might give can be assessed by the Human counter part, thereby eliminating the data analysis part and only decision making is remaining on the basis of summary of scenario. And as the AI gets more such cases, it will start giving better results.
What we talk about on the Internet- ai, ml, web 3, meta verse What problems we actually face: flooding, drought, traffic jams, overcrowding in elevators, chappal chori outside temples
Lol Let's see how many real world problems these technologies will actually solve. Some people are claiming that climate change can be controlled by AI. What can AI do if all the climate harm is being done by humans? It's we people who need to stop emitting so much carbon
I don't understand why the companies are doing this even after knowing the consequences of this. This will make a bunch of people jobless which will therefore bring down their purchasing power and which directly leads to less demand. And then to whom the companies are gonna sell their product and services?
Free market and Capitalism has become slavery now. These companies will only target high profile customers in future, low to average customers can starve to death and they could care less about it. Infact US being world's largest there are millions of poor all over their country, the pace at which AI is progressing it make everyone poor except the giant multinational companies.
Not completely but the boost in productivity is so huge that few engineers i.e 1-10 can accomplish tasks of a 1000 person company so it's scary , tasks which earlier were given to Junior interns can be done in seconds with this llms
It'll probably end up like the industrial revolution as it was disused in the video. It won't replace all of them but it'll enable a small group of people to do what an entire floor of engineers would do.
I don't think it's that much of a threat rn. They are tools which will help you efficiently do your work. We'll have to wait till a True AGI emergences for a major disruption.
Infosys, TCS or Wipro don't make money by only building products they make ton of money by giving services or support for their product. Example around 50% of apple application support is given by Infosys and their developing new features is below 5%, more than 95% they give support on existing application and after so many automation still they need many engineer to support the application and apple products, store's and customers increase day by day so they need more and more it engineers to support it wont be replaced by any ai tools.
Copywriters will be the first group of people who will be replaced by AI. ChatGPT can write beautifully on any topic in a matter of seconds for free. No point in paying huge salaries to copywriters at this point.
AI is freaky and impact on tier1, tier2 and tier3 city employments is not clear, If bangalore to be considered how many jobs will be lost and how many jobs will be generated and whats the impact on indirect dependents of jobs lost ppl
I think it would be a slightly better discussion if Varun waited until someone finished their point before speaking. Sometimes, it seems like he interrupts others.
they have an understanding that software engineers only work on making websites, but there are other sectors like AR, gaming, 3d model softwares, blockchain, all these cannot be generated AI, these softwares need real word experience and properly defined use cases
it's funny that no one in the panel has the slightest idea of what software engineering is. If they did they would have never discussed AI replacing it. Peace !
In case of software.. Try taking a requirement from client then you'll know if the chatGpt can replace us humans or not😂. You need to put it rightly for the AI to give you the code which the clients never do.
Customer support jobs will end in two years, all these bugs will be answered. Infact AWS at this time. Allows you create a full call centre take payments and and simple questions
I think we are looking at it the wrong way, Humantiy has bigger problems to solve than just build a website for someone. With AI, we will have the opportunity to focus on solving bigger problems which are economic, social, environmental or even space exploration. AI will enhance our capability to do more with our lives as with any technology change/disruption. AI will continue to help us improve our productivity on the short term and profoundly change our education system, skills and the problems we solve in the long term. Sure we will have replacements of jobs which are low on cognitive capabilities and but thats a win win for everyone eventually. The bigger concern with AI is the quality of data input and output (including hallucinations) which needs a proper regulatory framework, disclaimer labelling and even audits to ensure misinformation is not spread.
In one of his short, He spoke that AI will replace Design Jobs. I think he doesn't even know the D of design. Basically, he thinks AI will replace every job except his 🤣. Chill guys, AI can't replace your jobs but one knows AI can take your place!
In future there is lesser and lesser people in the job market due to population implosion. So the scarcity of skilled workers can be replaced by AI in a gradual process.
It's just a matter of time. We can predict certain time where ai will ve able to do x amount of works. But if we give ai enough time and let it evolve and train itself using a centralized neural data then it can replace all jobs including governance, products and food development and even healthcare and etc etc. It will just change the meaning of life and make us think what life actually is? . I think I could have contributed more to this podcast regarding this matter if had the chance.
Software will be built “less” by humans. I think it’s already a thing that most of the software we write is “pattern matching” code, the actual software like SQL or browsers are written long ago and mind that those devs aren’t paid enough, the same will happen in the mainstream software engineering where everyone is fundamentally overpaid. The 2022 was a boom, now markets are correcting. Decent devs who know how to build software will stay and most indian devs don’t fall in that category
No body attempted it because drones are slower plus some software crap to limit the height around 100 ft If you really want to hit plane with drone(missile) either you should buy from iran currently deployed against ukrain by russian or some israli ones.
Software Engineers can never get replaced by AI. It may help software Engineers at their work. Someone needs to really understand computer science at core before answering such kind of questions. Sofware Engineering is not just writing a piece of code. People now a days comment so much on sofware engineering or computer science related things without knowing. They should be stick to their own field of business where they can create value rather than spreading misleading information about things which they are not expert of. AI can replace call centre, support assistant and other blue-caller jobs, middle management, people management related jobs for sure.
All the coders and developers are getting triggered lol, it's better to plan out the future with backups I would say, get equipped with AI as much as possible, and keep improving your coding skills as well, who knows what lies ahead
What AI does is unify and distribute knowledge, becoming a fearsome leader to guide humanity in a new direction. It makes connections in data points that most of us can't do and that's the power of it. Better to take AI as a mentor instead of fighting and gatekeeping it.
There are some many jobs that will be replaced because of AI much much before Software Engineers. Coding is at max 20% of a software engineer’s job and service based companies with legacy code and ton of red tape would always need tons of engineers. Ask this question to a real developer and you will get the right answer.
Absolutely. I’m not sure if these jokers have hardly worked as developers esp at enterprise level. The amount of legacy code that exists is enormous and enterprises are very slow to modernize it. If ain’t broke, don’t fix it
Wow! This panel has amazing specialists but they have very little knowledge of things outside their domain. Nikhil with software jargons Varun with drone driving.
Being a Civil Engineer, I cannot get the help of ChatGPT to get my work done on Site where Man power is a must... But can some one let me know how ChatGPT can be utilized to procure Skilled Man power to get the work executed on site???? Ready to engage with people who can help to form a platform like this....
We are discounting the needs of humans to connect with each other. We forget that we are social creatures. We used to hunt in groups we will keep doing that...no matter what new tools come.
Maybe instead of getting overhyping youtubers you could have brought your own CTO Kailash Nath to the discussion. I have watched a couple of his interviews and he obviously is a brilliant engineering mind.
what about doctors who just prescribe general medicine ? what about teller jobs in banks ? there are far more menial jobs in the world easy to replace with AI. But today AI advances are driven by enterprise profitability rather individual leverages. Hope it adds to the betterment of humanity.
nnothing replaces anyone here.. only requirement of having skillset may change.. software engineers especially indian software engineers are known to learn new code skills in shorter time. .. so it is BOOM
❤ to listen and see you all in this video. Simple thought , why don't you all put all these questions to the AI and let the AI answer your question.😊 AI would have provided more accurate answers.
Is it just me or any of you guys feel frustrated when they just cut each other, great points, but everyone just cuts each other randomly. This reminds me of group discussion rounds during my placements😂
Worrying about AI please don’t. They can only answer what is available on Internet or data they are trained. For coding purpose stack Overflow is better than chatgpt they can’t suggest code for converting a plot to html. You expect AI to write production level code.
Mmmm.... not truly agree by what you guys said about AI taking job of a software engineer or developer , because Ai TODAY cab generate a template or design of an website ,app ,etc but to utilize the template , to mold the template , to enhance the template into useable form could only be done by an human . and secondly data , companies or a client won't given their data to an ai engine or model to which they do not trust and i am sharing real life problem with ai is that it can not fully develop a product as it cannot till now play with the data given to it , it can sure make some protoypes with a lot of bugs but cannot deliver a finished product.
As long as text to image text to search is fine When they find text to code can change And an API can just pretty much turn text to relavant job done. imagined how they can eliminate Ops jobs with chat Gpt
Good topics being discussed. But too many people are jumping to talk at the same time. Would be better to hear out one person’s line of thought before another interjects or changes topics.
For the example stated of Infosys, Why would Finacle bank even outsource if the theory of "90% software engineers gone" hypothesis is true, Finacle will get a Chatgpt, and automate. Narayan Murthy, the man who's seen disruptions himself has different take at AI than this gentlemen.
How does it work I have now days people from all background Harry dick Tom learning programming and getting job literally everyone. Do you think that eventually supply will be more and people who are getting the pack of 25, 30 lpa will reduce??
@@619ry7 programming will become less writing code as AI agents like GPT can do that job easily. It will be more about thinking abstractly and building patterns over it which can only come if devout some time and experience.
Developer using Ai is going to replace developers fearing that Ai is going to replace them. Subject matter expert always prevails. Ai is another tool to build stuffs like we don't start writing code word to word while developing softwares we use frameworks, now thats just got another layer of abstraction.
Exactly
While your statement is true, don't you think it will result in a reduction of tech jobs? In the future, a developer equipped with powerful generative AI could potentially do what three developers currently do at a time. As a result, the demand for developers may decrease compared how much its there now.
However, I also believe that these advancements in AI and related fields will create numerous opportunities and new areas of specialisation within the tech industry.
@@iamashwincherian but education systems should match those new areas of specializations. without that, no way
@@Ramana_Gaadu we have education system of 1990s good luck with that
@@iamashwincherian let it first do the job of one... honestly, whenever I've used it, it's results anytime weren't good enough for me to think ki okay this is good to go with 0 edits. It's results are good templates/ starting points or even a more approachable version of stack overflow (that also has the tendency to be a lot more inaccurate) but that's about it.
For the drone thing:
1. Drones can't fly at 30k feet.
2. There are radars and signal jammers around an airport so you can't get them during take off.
3. Government enforces No-fly zones around sensitive areas, your drones won't even start there let alone take down something.
If it was that easy to use drones in a wrong way, there are many terrorist organisations (or as our media calls them "bhatke hue yuva") that would've used them already.
Bhatke hue yuva ke aur zyada bhatke hue drones 😂
but chinese drones are not regulated like this for indian airports.
what he meant was basically that drones could be used for harm. Today i can put a face id chip from your iphones on a drone, give it data sets (photographs) of my target, attach a small explosive and eliminate that person. This easily possible with current technology but it has never happened outside the battlefields in cities or whatever.
@@DCGTvi hevy drone we above 250 gms need registration with government to fly
So it's illegal to fly
@@VARun2CGS bro you are Mayya using an Anonymous account.
Till now I was a software engineer after this, I am starting UPSC preparation
Bolne wala Forbes ki list me hai, in his 30s
@@ayushmishra3898 but job to software engineer ki khtre m h na
On top of any level there is always restlessness upsc is literally 1% in whole country don’t compare it with ur average shitty identity less jobs .
Thukrake Mera pyar Mera itnekam dekhigi
@@deepakkandpal9739 khatre ma saari jobs hi ha
Nikhil, to just put the things in perspective, devops was supposed to be 1 click deployment from last 5 to 7 years, and still teams are struggling with end to end automation.
Developers won't be replaced. We all do some simple things as part of the bigger things, there it will act as smart assistant.
Low skilled work like website development will also be not fully replaced because people need customizations, etc..Lot of operations challenges like security, maintenance of the server...again to put this in perspective, start ups and big companies both are having outages even when they upgrade their os in controlled environment.
Absolutely true, this guy gets it ... Thanks for putting this out sir
Salaries will go down for sure
No more 40 , 50 , 60 lpa on fresher packages , it will be 20 lpa sought ( iits)
Chillar milenga salary mai beta, free mai bhi kaam kara sakte hai lol
Safeguarded careers
1. Govt job, CA (maybe because if AI can be developed further, they can handle CA responsibilities also))
2. Property dealers, builders
3. Doctor incl. dentists & psychologists
4. Data people ( not data entry)
5. Criminals
6. Spiritual/ Religious leader
Or bakaits like these people.
@@offred6013 lots of options are there
@@offred6013lmao
6 Gambler
what about CAs ? 😢
Software Engineers are not hired on the basis of their coding skills, they are hired on the basis of their problem solving skill. These AI tools will not be able to match that problem solving ability anytime soon. For example Aircrafts have been using Autopilot since forever now and it has evolved a lot but it never replaced any pilot's job. You still need a Pilot to command the Autopilot. Aircrafts mostly operate on Autopilot mode but whenever there is an unusual situation the Pilot turns off the Autopilot and takes the control himself. ChatGPT is just another tool that Software Engineers can leverage to increase their productivity.
time will say.
But gpt is able to solve leetcode questions asked in interviews
@@sunnyside6357gpt can solve the code but it cannot fully complete the E2E flow of any production line.
@@sunnyside6357 most of leetcode solutions are already available on internet. Real production software development is much more than just solving leetcode problem. 🙂
Software Engineers means lots of things. Architects and Business Analysts do the problem solving from an idea and tech perspective. Coders then code it in the preferred technology. The Architect and BA might still have their job but the coders job can be easily replaced. In any team in Indian software companies, there are 80-90% who do the mule work and few who are really good. Maybe thos smart ones will still remain to review code generated by the AI but the rest can be let go
Hey Varun, the drone hitting an airplane is unlikely since the drones like DJI or other brands won't allow you to fly or start a drone near an airport or restricted zones.
but what if someone illegally fly that drone
It won’t start in No fly zone govt has marked no drone zone it won’t fly only
@@uttr7659 how does drone know which is no fly zone?
But you can make a drone by yourself if you are really interested. There are even free resources online. So what his point is that, there is a potential threat
I own a DJI drone and it allows you to fly in restricted areas as well but you need to authenticate your mobile number via OTP. DJI may be has list of restricted zones all around the world and it has programmed its DJI Fly app accordingly so that drone does not fly without user details in restricted areas.
The Auto GPT is quite frightening as it was able to generate an entire Flappy Bird game on its own. It even searched the internet for what it needed and made real-time adjustments to the code. The fact that it was able to build the entire game from scratch is insane. This uncertainty in the field of software engineering is definitely a sign of things to come.
Damn! Flappy bird's repo is available widely in the internet😂
@@kumaramit04-q6c tip of the iceberg
how much did it cost you to run that flappy bird experiment? I am thinking of using gpt api as well for autogpt etc but not sure about cost for such experiments
Have you used autogpt yourself? I have and it's as stupid as GPT4. It just can feed prompt by itself to a certain level. Pehle istemaal Karo fir vishwas karo 😅.
I think you are noob in this industry
Contrarian viewpoint:
1. If efficiency was the viewpoint, then IT services would have moved on to ABM but they still depend on relationship based marketing.
2. Also, cost trade off, cost of implementing and maintaining generative AI in IT services vs hiring 100 engineers who can write better code needs to be looked at.
for the 2nd point, imo subscription to restriction free AI services are affordable enough for companies to probably slash off 90% of their employees to save on their expenditures. also when AI starts writing it's own code, it can probably generate way more comprehensive documentation in almost no time. which would in turn help with subsequent instances of the AI trying to modify/fix bugs in the code. this little example in itself probably removes the need for documentation writers, testers, auditors, etc. only thing where it will falter is when it has to make decisions to help scale systems and all.
@@ritamkonar6617 yes in an ideal world yes. But IT services will not opt for such subscription based services as it might compromise their security. I am with you man but after working with IT services I am sure they will keep undergoing analysis paralysis.
But a company will always want to have control over its documentation and code base. If everything is done by AI they will lose this control.
Software engineering involves a wide range of skills and expertise, including problem-solving, design, implementation, testing, and collaboration. While AI can support and enhance the work of software engineers, it cannot replace the knowledge, creativity, and critical thinking abilities that human software engineers bring to the table. AI is a powerful tool, but it still requires human engineers to guide and utilize it effectively in software development processes.
I think the concern is not about the total replacement of SE jobs but the reduction in job opportunities. It will affect everyone and it's gonna be a big one.
You guys are underestimating the potential of AI. It's not just limited to specific industries or tasks; its impact will be far-reaching. In a matter of a few years, AI-powered bots will reach a level of proficiency that rivals human labor across various domains. This means that everything we currently see will inevitably be disrupted.
I recently saw a video from YT channel 'mentour pilot' where an AI expert says the likes of chatgpt doesn't truly have a cognitive ability- what it does is mimic, amalgamate bits and pieces off the internet from n no of related works (or ideas), thereby coming up with something new every time. Just by that alone, you'll still need humans to "curate" the quality of work and make changes here and there. I believe there is still a sliver of hope that some niches won't be replaced but will be transformed with possibilities to do stuff that wasn't previously possible. Sure disruption will happen but for some fields, it won't be like they say.
@@hitesh6245 You probably need to know more about Deep Learning.
@@GirishVN-zz7ie Sure i don't know indepth but i do know bits and parts of it and have an advanced degree in math. i still don't believe you could use statistics, probability, modeling, predictions fitting calculus equations to really understand humans. We aren't the most logical species and there's subjectivity in our human journey which can't truly be mimicked just by introducing Neural networks especially when as it is we have so much to learn in the field of neurosciences, psychology and other brain related subjects.. And if these systems don't recognize such nuances, it probably won't be making unreviewed decisions on my behalf (so me getting replaced by such an agent goes out of the window).
Case in point midjourney, dall e can make flawless images for sure but once you use it for a real project, you realize it's the same amount of work if not more needed to find creatives, assets and templates that's already happening without ai just because it doesn't fit the branding nuances, ux considerations, client's visual consistency, expectations and even the images no matter how beautiful are pretty much discernable for the fact it is ai.
Will AI replace Podcasters?
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Yes ofcourse😂 First is varun mayya🤣
Notebook lm
I am a Product Manager from Microsoft. Makes me think what I can do to be irreplaceable. This was a nice conversation with lots of inputs.
sir would you tell what you figureout
What inputs did you got?
This comment is ai generated ☠️
Sorry it's been sometime i listened i forgot the discussion. But funny to see someone comment that it's ai generated comment
It is important to note that AI is not just a threat to jobs. It is also creating new jobs in areas such as data science, machine learning, and artificial intelligence engineering. In fact, the WEF report estimates that AI will create up to 950 million new jobs by 2030.
Whats the expected number of jobs AI will take tho?
what if ai agent could make another ai agent, and there are few example.
ofcourse job will transform but not every engineers are interested in AI/ML
I wouldn't trust those globalist fuks at WEF with a betelnut let alone a career
You must be a software engineer. Don’t worry bro you’re job is safe. WEF report is correct. Sleep well.
Ahh here u go . Looks like that figure is just another joke. Do you really know what the WEF agenda is ? 950 million 😂😂😂😂 . Good joke
Stack overflow/github didn't replaced any software jobs.....every code is written there and even google engineers copy from there......but what code to search or what question to ask is possible with human brain only
“Content creators will stay but others will loose their job” - Content creator.
xdd
@@devagarwal3250 bruh engineers in meta just need to press the red button they are dead all these content creators
@@THE_LOFI_DUDE I don't understand why these content creators are creating a shit content about ai without having any prior knowledge about it
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@@devagarwal3250 like suddenly all of them have become experts in ai ... Tomorrow something new will come they'll start sharing their expertise on that ..... One question is what happens to schools and colleges once ai becomes all powerful .... Like they have redundant syllabus and irrelevant to today's times ... And those guys are not worried infact they are charging more and more every coming year .... A person who is skilled enough should not worry nor listen to such short term experts is what I believe .....
Lots to learn after watching complete 2 hr podcast on a go.
More than that i get a self reflection of how little i know about a subject, ways to put points on discussion,and much more and this realisation is the best trigger for me to dig more on the topics,surfing to different websites and videos. I highly recommend to watch complete podcast on one go with good concentration not treating it like listening to songs.
You should get some technical experts in such convos and make a separate video where you dig deeper from a technical pov!
AI will become a tool for professionals to improve their jobs. It won't replace anyone, it will make them better.
The problem is if someone becomes let us say 2 times efficient .. actually one newbie is losing the job.
Don’t completely agree with it. At best it can replace average software dev processes. Variety and uniqueness is important and I am not sure if AI can give it.
Content writers are losing job left and right. Almost everyone is replacing them with ChatGPT. But policy makers around the world are planning to make it mandatory to disclose if the content is generated through AI or if we are chatting with a bot for customer support. As Yuval (writer of sapiens) said in an interview, It's illegal to counterfeit money so that economy doesn't crash similarly strong laws need come in place to stop counterfeiting humans.
As a software engineer I would like to make a point that any software engineer takes far more micro complex decision than a customer support executive which directly impact the product and services.
Also as a person who is using copilot and chatgpt to some extent in day to day job. I would say a Software engineer would get more efficient at work and team size would be required
But world will need more software day by day. Day in and day out so software Engineers will be around at least for 20 years in a similar way if not the same. As of now .
I love how Varun looks so intellectual on AevyTV and so stupid on the Nikhil Kamath Podcasts! 😂
Lol 😂😂
I remember in the 90s I’ve heard flying cars going to replace gasoline cars by 2030. We haven’t even fully adopted EVs, it has just begun.
Development is more than just coding. All companies have legacy systems and configurations. It’s not easily replaceable with a click of a button. The day that happens everyone’s job is on the line.
exactly, they basically don't know what software engineer does, in the first 2 minutes it was clear that they aren't aware, especially varun he sounded like a smug
@@anubhav111196 he's a long time dev...so I think its better we wait
@@DCGTvi Varun seems to be a extremist of some sort and there are some ambiguity in what he says. Like he says white collar are going to take a hit due to GAI but business of Supermart like DMART will not be effected. Dude if you had slightest of understanding of how economics work you'll be able to understand that Growth of white collar jobs creates demand for things like supermarts, leisure. So if the opposite happens every business that operates with the above correlation will take an extreme toll.
I just had a skip with the director of my department and he said the same things... he said eventually it will be there but it is going to take time
Future can't be predicted. Who could have predicted 15 years ago that real estate in india will go into recession.
Ultimate truth
Is it in recession? Just curious, I will live in tier 3 city and here real state is still on boom.
@@siddharthsingh5031 remember 2 rules if you want to buy real estate cheap. Don't be desperate and take out enough time to see more and more properties with different brokers. You will find a good deal at fair price.
@@completeknowledge8711 Thanks man.
Compring 🍎 to 🍊
Once youtube was not a career but today It became. In the same way, AI is coming and it is coming with different jobs but software engineers can't be replaced by AI. Never! I would suggest give them a bug to solve 😁
Copium is a nice drg.
@@Tate525ok don’t be a software engineer. We’ll have less competition
Just information on Drone disruption, there was certain group of individuals did this several times in Dublin Airport (Ireland) and planes were delayed and was warned by the government @ Varun Mayya
Can AI one day replace entrepreneurs and CEOs ? That would be great.
How can an ai replace entrepreneurs illogical
I can ask AI to build me a company that creates xyz product and how can I market it and create a business out of it. Give me a step by step simple and foolproof plan after thorough research.
I want AI to replace people who post stupid stuff on the internet
Nope, AI cant make their own company. A company needs to be listed and have an authenticity for its customers to buy its products.
@@jaisood6398 There's one chinese company that already has AI as it's CEO. Even entrepreneurship is not a daunting task for AI.
I partially agree ,recently chatgpt was given jee mains paper which he scored 11 marks and failed in upsc badly, what i think is data stackoverflow it is solving the problems which is written or given in the internet but thats cramming up the data but it is not solving the actual problem when i tried many things like answer this questions from g tewani ( used for jee as i have also prepared for it😅)it gives answers around 20 percent questions this shows it is just telling answers of questions which there is proper solution in internet websites toh yeh ek tarah ka chatur hai 3 idiots ka ,but it doesn't have thinking ability like human so it is right now Google with a human touch.
The more data you feed in AI the more powerful it becomes
I'm a software engineer and I was hoping he doesn't say software engineer, and he started with that only🤣
10:10 Comercially available drones just shut down when near few km of airport or similar place , only ultralight ones i.e less than few hundred grams are allowed x which too are weak to perform such task
Tanmay was so done with Varun lmao
Varun was trying to be extra smart
@@Razrman no it is the other way around and first of all wat a comedian is doing on the techies table,might be there to fuck around their intellects.
@@bassline1447 I agree, Tanmay was a misfit. But to be honest, Varun is nothing less than a comedian himself. The kind of BS he talks about tech is almost comical.
An alternative perspective on this one is:
everything will become dead cheap/free. from manufacturing a car to building a house to a software solution to medical treatment, everything is expensive coz there's human labor involved. when AI does this stuff, it will be extremely cheap or free (open source). Imagine you can use an open source API to build your house end to end!
The bigger question would then be, what do we humans do? coz since the inception till today, we're humans because we have intellectual capabilities. what if we become intellectually lazy? for example: in my childhood i used to remember so many people's phone numbers, now i no longer do that. same way, what if we lose our ability to think coz someone/something is doing that for me?
ofc nobody knows exactly how it'll all turn out, but its more of a thought to discuss/debate
Attack on cognition was a very important point. And about the question of refund, what i think is giving refund is a decision making process. So, like any other instance that process needs a bunch of data and a template to compare with and u get the answer. In the refund scenario, the data required is voice modulation, customer history, personal details of customer, etc. Now, the result that the AI customer support might give can be assessed by the Human counter part, thereby eliminating the data analysis part and only decision making is remaining on the basis of summary of scenario. And as the AI gets more such cases, it will start giving better results.
What we talk about on the Internet- ai, ml, web 3, meta verse
What problems we actually face: flooding, drought, traffic jams, overcrowding in elevators, chappal chori outside temples
Lol
Let's see how many real world problems these technologies will actually solve. Some people are claiming that climate change can be controlled by AI. What can AI do if all the climate harm is being done by humans? It's we people who need to stop emitting so much carbon
I don't understand why the companies are doing this even after knowing the consequences of this. This will make a bunch of people jobless which will therefore bring down their purchasing power and which directly leads to less demand.
And then to whom the companies are gonna sell their product and services?
Capitalism, industry revolution get rid off slavery now its time for ai revolution.
Free market and Capitalism has become slavery now. These companies will only target high profile customers in future, low to average customers can starve to death and they could care less about it. Infact US being world's largest there are millions of poor all over their country, the pace at which AI is progressing it make everyone poor except the giant multinational companies.
you can't fly drones near airports or protected areas like military camps or bases. They are restricted by geo-fencing.
I am software developer for last 5 years and I wanna change from IT software industry to some other , which one in better than software IT industry?
None
Content writer
Software engineers cannot be completely replaced by Chatgpt !!
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Not completely but the boost in productivity is so huge that few engineers i.e 1-10 can accomplish tasks of a 1000 person company so it's scary , tasks which earlier were given to Junior interns can be done in seconds with this llms
It'll probably end up like the industrial revolution as it was disused in the video. It won't replace all of them but it'll enable a small group of people to do what an entire floor of engineers would do.
It not only chat gpt there are lot of tools
@@yogpanjarale Yes hiring for juniors will stopped, people who just finished softwares engineering course or degree good luck.
I don't think it's that much of a threat rn. They are tools which will help you efficiently do your work.
We'll have to wait till a True AGI emergences for a major disruption.
Infosys, TCS or Wipro don't make money by only building products they make ton of money by giving services or support for their product.
Example around 50% of apple application support is given by Infosys and their developing new features is below 5%, more than 95% they give support on existing application and after so many automation still they need many engineer to support the application and apple products, store's and customers increase day by day so they need more and more it engineers to support it wont be replaced by any ai tools.
Varun's perspective on the drone hitting a plane is really really creative thinking
The development of AGI hardly few years left. Main issue will be how the risk assessment of any AI model will be done?
"Nikhil stock ke barame sochna bandh kar 10 second ke liye." 😂 Best line ever. Applies to a lot of episodes.
The fact of the matter is most ppl can’t think exponentially and definitely not VCs. They follow trends but not make them
Why rahul Subramanian is in the thumbnail for no reason!? 😂 He is a comedian.
Those who havee watched aib honest series would know this
Copywriters will be the first group of people who will be replaced by AI. ChatGPT can write beautifully on any topic in a matter of seconds for free. No point in paying huge salaries to copywriters at this point.
Finally, something I would love to watch on TH-cam.
AI is freaky and impact on tier1, tier2 and tier3 city employments is not clear, If bangalore to be considered how many jobs will be lost and how many jobs will be generated and whats the impact on indirect dependents of jobs lost ppl
I think it would be a slightly better discussion if Varun waited until someone finished their point before speaking. Sometimes, it seems like he interrupts others.
they have an understanding that software engineers only work on making websites, but there are other sectors like AR, gaming, 3d model softwares, blockchain, all these cannot be generated AI, these softwares need real word experience and properly defined use cases
it's funny that no one in the panel has the slightest idea of what software engineering is. If they did they would have never discussed AI replacing it. Peace !
The guy was eating Manchurian with chop sticks?. So I skipped and stared reading / trolling in comments
Exactly my thought 😂
so true, they are so out of their minds
In case of software.. Try taking a requirement from client then you'll know if the chatGpt can replace us humans or not😂. You need to put it rightly for the AI to give you the code which the clients never do.
Customer support jobs will end in two years, all these bugs will be answered. Infact AWS at this time. Allows you create a full call centre take payments and and simple questions
I think we are looking at it the wrong way, Humantiy has bigger problems to solve than just build a website for someone. With AI, we will have the opportunity to focus on solving bigger problems which are economic, social, environmental or even space exploration. AI will enhance our capability to do more with our lives as with any technology change/disruption. AI will continue to help us improve our productivity on the short term and profoundly change our education system, skills and the problems we solve in the long term. Sure we will have replacements of jobs which are low on cognitive capabilities and but thats a win win for everyone eventually. The bigger concern with AI is the quality of data input and output (including hallucinations) which needs a proper regulatory framework, disclaimer labelling and even audits to ensure misinformation is not spread.
Nhi na bhai humlogo ek dusre ka job udane mai jyaada maza aa raha hai, we will continue with that.
Finally a nice insightful podcast where they actually know what they're talking about.
Thanks to Nikhil !
Nikhil is sitting there thinking i have barely 30 people in Software Engineering. Whom will i even fire.
In one of his short, He spoke that AI will replace Design Jobs. I think he doesn't even know the D of design. Basically, he thinks AI will replace every job except his 🤣. Chill guys, AI can't replace your jobs but one knows AI can take your place!
Ye sale bas gyan pel rhe hai bkl.
Very correct, I doubt he even understands the difference between writing simple likes of code vs designing software systems that scale.
Lol bro thinks everything will be replaced except content creation
He's talking like a educated WhatsApp university guy.
@@devagarwal3250 he has repeatedly said that will also be replaced. in fact he himself is using voice/video cloning to get himself out of the scene
In future there is lesser and lesser people in the job market due to population implosion.
So the scarcity of skilled workers can be replaced by AI in a gradual process.
It's just a matter of time. We can predict certain time where ai will ve able to do x amount of works. But if we give ai enough time and let it evolve and train itself using a centralized neural data then it can replace all jobs including governance, products and food development and even healthcare and etc etc. It will just change the meaning of life and make us think what life actually is? . I think I could have contributed more to this podcast regarding this matter if had the chance.
Software will be built “less” by humans. I think it’s already a thing that most of the software we write is “pattern matching” code, the actual software like SQL or browsers are written long ago and mind that those devs aren’t paid enough, the same will happen in the mainstream software engineering where everyone is fundamentally overpaid. The 2022 was a boom, now markets are correcting. Decent devs who know how to build software will stay and most indian devs don’t fall in that category
No body attempted it because drones are slower plus some software crap to limit the height around 100 ft
If you really want to hit plane with drone(missile) either you should buy from iran currently deployed against ukrain by russian or some israli ones.
Software Engineers can never get replaced by AI. It may help software Engineers at their work. Someone needs to really understand computer science at core before answering such kind of questions. Sofware Engineering is not just writing a piece of code. People now a days comment so much on sofware engineering or computer science related things without knowing. They should be stick to their own field of business where they can create value rather than spreading misleading information about things which they are not expert of. AI can replace call centre, support assistant and other blue-caller jobs, middle management, people management related jobs for sure.
Whatever helps you sleep at night
All the coders and developers are getting triggered lol, it's better to plan out the future with backups I would say, get equipped with AI as much as possible, and keep improving your coding skills as well, who knows what lies ahead
What AI does is unify and distribute knowledge, becoming a fearsome leader to guide humanity in a new direction. It makes connections in data points that most of us can't do and that's the power of it. Better to take AI as a mentor instead of fighting and gatekeeping it.
There are some many jobs that will be replaced because of AI much much before Software Engineers. Coding is at max 20% of a software engineer’s job and service based companies with legacy code and ton of red tape would always need tons of engineers. Ask this question to a real developer and you will get the right answer.
Absolutely. I’m not sure if these jokers have hardly worked as developers esp at enterprise level. The amount of legacy code that exists is enormous and enterprises are very slow to modernize it. If ain’t broke, don’t fix it
@@sujayrj Nhi na bhai unko sirf replace karne hai. Varum khud baith k prompting karega to undercut employees
Wow! This panel has amazing specialists but they have very little knowledge of things outside their domain.
Nikhil with software jargons
Varun with drone driving.
I dont think anyone of them has done software engineering in their life so they think they will be replaced😂
Being a Civil Engineer, I cannot get the help of ChatGPT to get my work done on Site where Man power is a must... But can some one let me know how ChatGPT can be utilized to procure Skilled Man power to get the work executed on site???? Ready to engage with people who can help to form a platform like this....
But technical jobs have huge impact of Ai
How about labour dependent jobs like Agriculture, Civil Engineering industry, etc.,@@Aditya_pangul
People who know how to use AI will be High paying jobs in the very near future.
We are discounting the needs of humans to connect with each other. We forget that we are social creatures. We used to hunt in groups we will keep doing that...no matter what new tools come.
Maybe instead of getting overhyping youtubers you could have brought your own CTO Kailash Nath to the discussion. I have watched a couple of his interviews and he obviously is a brilliant engineering mind.
Exactly 💯
kailash has put up a blog post saying engineering jobs will go lol
@@DCGTvi can you pls give the link of that post?
Thanks for sharing wisdom on economic
what about doctors who just prescribe general medicine ? what about teller jobs in banks ? there are far more menial jobs in the world easy to replace with AI. But today AI advances are driven by enterprise profitability rather individual leverages. Hope it adds to the betterment of humanity.
The whole economy will go for a toss, if AI started replacing jobs. There should be a governance for AI
Due To geofencing you cannot fly drone near airport. There was an drone attack near jammu Airport on 26 June.
Can chatgpt build highly scalable realtime streaming services 😑😑?
Oh, joyous news! Being a 19-year-old with no expertise and studying CS in a tier 3 college is obviously the golden ticket to a career ending
nnothing replaces anyone here.. only requirement of having skillset may change.. software engineers especially indian software engineers are known to learn new code skills in shorter time. .. so it is BOOM
SOFTWARE ENGINEERS ARE DEAD
-comedian
❤ to listen and see you all in this video.
Simple thought , why don't you all put all these questions to the AI and let the AI answer your question.😊
AI would have provided more accurate answers.
Is it just me or any of you guys feel frustrated when they just cut each other, great points, but everyone just cuts each other randomly. This reminds me of group discussion rounds during my placements😂
Umang's final "wow" was more like a "OShit" reaction.
Worrying about AI please don’t. They can only answer what is available on Internet or data they are trained.
For coding purpose stack Overflow is better than chatgpt they can’t suggest code for converting a plot to html. You expect AI to write production level code.
They are not saying Video Editing will go away because Varun Mayya has a Video Editing cohort which charges around 60K per person per cohort.
Mmmm.... not truly agree by what you guys said about AI taking job of a software engineer or developer , because Ai TODAY cab generate a template or design of an website ,app ,etc but to utilize the template , to mold the template , to enhance the template into useable form could only be done by an human .
and secondly data , companies or a client won't given their data to an ai engine or model to which they do not trust and i am sharing real life problem with ai is that it can not fully develop a product as it cannot till now play with the data given to it , it can sure make some protoypes with a lot of bugs but cannot deliver a finished product.
As long as text to image text to search is fine
When they find text to code can change
And an API can just pretty much turn text to relavant job done.
imagined how they can eliminate Ops jobs with chat Gpt
Varun Mayya👍 logically against the theme but so damn right
Nice podcast. There is discussion on what might change apart from that we should also think what might not change as Jeff Bezos mentioned once
Any suggested courses for Gen AI (Technical and Leadership) for someone who would like to pivot and already in Data space
Varun casually explaining on how to pull off a terrorist attack
Wish Nikhil did a podcast with tata
If you understand Asking right question to solve the purpose need more human intelligence than answering them
Amazing Episode.
This discussion happened a month ago and today dukaan has replaced 90% staff today
Good topics being discussed. But too many people are jumping to talk at the same time. Would be better to hear out one person’s line of thought before another interjects or changes topics.
@nikhil who is that guy explaining chatGPT?
Who's the man in green tshirt? His voice can be used as the A.I voice for police 🚨.
U think he can give voice over to next big boss season.
For the example stated of Infosys, Why would Finacle bank even outsource if the theory of "90% software engineers gone" hypothesis is true, Finacle will get a Chatgpt, and automate. Narayan Murthy, the man who's seen disruptions himself has different take at AI than this gentlemen.
Software Engineering as concept will remain high demand
How does it work I have now days people from all background Harry dick Tom learning programming and getting job literally everyone.
Do you think that eventually supply will be more and people who are getting the pack of 25, 30 lpa will reduce??
@@619ry7 programming will become less writing code as AI agents like GPT can do that job easily. It will be more about thinking abstractly and building patterns over it which can only come if devout some time and experience.